We Met In Prison, But Can Our Lesbian Relationship Last? | KARAMO

So my girlfriend, you know, we've been going through a lot, you know? I met her in prison. You know, she left me a few times and I'll accept the bike, but she'll leave off on me and go be with other women and stuff. And you know, it led to me having trust issues with her.

Of course.

So like, you know, she play her game. She say when she's on her phone, I'm a Monopoly fan myself, so I get that, but all day, And then, you know, I just feel like she's cheating on me. I still feel like she's cheating on me and she's waiting for the opportunity to up and leave. And if that's the case, it's going to go down.

Oh, okay, you said it's going down. So you met in prison and you waited for her to get out?

Right, we met in prison. She was, you know, a very good person in prison. She held me down when I was going through stuff with my kid's father. So I decided to leave my kid's father to be with her.

Oh wow.

Yeah. So when I got out, I got out 6 months before her, you know, I was honest, loyal, and faithful. Yes. Most of all. And you know, because like I said, I was with my kids' father, you know, he hard timed me for that. You know, my family, everyone, they was just like, 'cause I wasn't lesbian at first, I was with him. So it was shocking to my family. You know, I come home and I'm telling everybody, you know, I'm with a girl now.

I love her. Y'all gonna love her.

Okay, yeah.

Yes, all of that.

So what happened when she got out?

I feel like now I was basically preparing for Satan, 'cause when she came home, she came home and she seen that I was living in a hotel. You know, I had lost everything being that I decided to be with her. And I got a job and she just, I guess, wasn't pleased. She quit the job, packed up her stuff, and while I was at work, she went back with another woman.

Wow. Wow. Did you introduce her to your family?

I introduced her to my sisters. I introduced her to my friends. One of my friends was one of the people who helped me to help her get a job as well so she could come home and help me.

Yeah.

You know, going through these things that I'm going through now because I was so honest and faithful with her, you know.

Why would you even think about taking Sabina back?

Because, I mean, I didn't wanna let go. She just kept leaving, so when she would, offer to come back, I was like, come on, come on, you know.

And—

Let's make it work. I sacrificed so much.

Right, plus I had spoke so highly of her and had been doing all this talking about her in great ways. I wanted to try to bring that to life, like prove to my family and everyone that this is the girl for me.

Yes, do you think she's still talking to the woman she left you for?

I believe she is. I feel like not only is she's talking to her, I feel like she's talking to many other women as well. There have been people posting on Facebook saying stuff about, "Oh, she need to go on now," 'cause they seen what we had on rekindle after she had left me for her.

Yeah. You said Savina uses women, how?

Because I feel like, you know, like when she came home to me, I had everything. I had house, cars, everything. I lost it all because I did not wanna live the life I lived before. I wanted to be with her and start from the ground up. So I feel like when she came home to me not having anything, instead of, and we help you get a job instead of you just working with me and building a strong foundation with me. You kept bailing out to go be with someone who had. And one time we got in an argument, she stated, you know, I love my bitches, excuse my language, to feed me strawberries. I ain't feed you no strawberries, you feel me?

I cook for real, you see me.

I live, I'm talking for real.

So yeah, so like, Yeah.

Yeah.

Sick of it, you know?

I hear you. Well, listen everybody, I think it's time we meet Savina and hear her side of the story. Jerrold, please welcome Savina to the show.

Kick the bad guy. Kick the bad guy.

How you doing?

How you doing? It did not go like that.

How you doing, man?

How you doing? I'm Savina. It did not go like that. It did not go like that. You know it didn't go like that. It's like this here, man. When I first met her, when we got out, I didn't know. You know what I'm saying? I didn't know everything that I was walking into. Okay, I'm 41. I've been in prison and locked up doing time for a long time.

Yeah, how many years?

I've been locked up since I was 12.

You feel me?

So when I got grown, I was out periodically for no longer than 35 days at a time.

Okay.

So that means it was a lot I didn't know. I didn't know how to cook. I didn't know how to clean and I ain't know how to wash clothes and I sure didn't know how to take care of 3 babies. You know what I'm saying? But I thought I could, but I never had no responsibilities. It's always been just me. So when we got out, I didn't know that she was at a motel. But if I would've knew, I could've better prepared myself to be a help for her. Yeah, she had got me a job. Hold on, let me talk. You had your moment to talk. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

Cut that right there.

So it's like this here, hold on. That comes with the piping. You know what I'm saying? But what I'm saying is this, 'cause I ain't never had no job. That was my first job. I was on a lot of psych meds and shit in prison just to try to sleep away my time, you know what I'm saying? So when I got out, I cut all that out and it's like I was sluggish because I wasn't accustomed to, you know what I'm saying, like being out and about like that, you know what I'm saying? So by then I panicked, I got cold feet, you know what I'm saying, or whatever, and I felt like it was too much for me. I left, I did, and I was wrong and I regret that to this day. That's why I'm here, 'cause I wanna prove to you that I'm not living like that no more.

Women.

I ain't never needed a woman for nothing, you get what I'm saying? I'm a woman before anything. I bend over and make love to myself before I need a bitch like that, you get what I'm saying? Straight up, never. I've always came with my own. Yeah, I've always held my own.

So you didn't— so you did run off with another woman though, just at that time?

I didn't run off with another woman, I left and went to another one.

Got it.

Okay, but I didn't run off with her, I left and went there, right? But listen, it wasn't the first time, was because I had cold feet, you know what I'm saying, whatever, I panicked. But the other times I left, Kiesha can be a bully. You feel me? And this a lot of woman. You feel me? I'm a little body. Look at me, I'm a little body. She got a big mouth. I got a mouth. She got a big mouth. Just like you got a mouth. I got two mouths. So guess what? Guess what? Why I gotta downplay my mouth and shut up to let you talk? So why I gotta do it? Why can't you just compromise? You don't, but guess what though? It don't have to be, it don't have to go to that extreme all the time to where you force me to, you put my back against the wall to make me feel like I need to go because I feel bullied. You get what I'm saying? And then I sit there and hear you, the reason why you wanna leave. I sit here and hear you talking about, oh, you felt like you were preparing for Satan. Well, won't you repent for your sins then? 'Cause you ain't no angel. I can't wait till you show whatever the hell on these phones 'Cause I called her, you feel me? And at first they wouldn't even request her phone. I request that shit though, you feel me? So me, I didn't even know. You took a trick treat. But guess what? Everything I did, everything I did, she nobody. You feel me? And like they said, why you accept me back? You accept me back because you love me and you know I love you. And that's what I said. But after that shit, I ain't have to deal with it. I could have went on with somebody else. You said, that's the one that I left. That's the only time. That's the only female. Can't name another bitch. Excuse me, woman, woman, whatever, can never say I laid with her in no kind of way. That's your mind. And I feel like you use that as a cop-out. No, I didn't. I feel like you accepted me back. Like how many times? You accepted me back just to hold it over my head while you do what you wanna do. No, I do you because I really care, but at the same time, don't keep taking advantage of me either. If you forgive somebody, do you sit there and go back in your mind and keep bringing up what you was doing or doing? When you doing some of the things, I can like, you done changed. I don't go nowhere. If I wanted to leave, I would be gone. What's keeping me? So if I wanted to be with somebody else, you would've never came back. Okay, but that's what I'm saying. So why do we go through all that? I mean, because I have trust issues. If you're gonna be with me, but I ain't where your trust issues started at. It didn't start with me.

It did start with me.

Let me tell you, man, we had this one, and he tried to warn me, but I thought he was just hating. Like, you know what I'm saying? I keep talking about my kids. I thought he was hating. You feel me? When he tried to tell me, I'm like, man, he don't know what he talking about. But then I be down. But that's another story.

Did one of you send the other audio of you having sex while you're cheating?

She tried to send me— What she did was— Well, what I did— Sent me a voice clipping of her moaning, and I know sex wasn't for real, and I know when a person playing. You feel me? And then she told me— She had also sent me a photo sitting on a bed with a white girl saying, "I don't like black women no more. I'm dating a white girl now." When she left me sitting on the bed— And you could tell by the way the picture looked, I was hurt. I was speaking, he took a picture of this girl. Like, just to try to get back at her. But she know I'm not from Jacksonville. I have no family here. So when she make me feel intimidated and make me feel bullied and I have nowhere to go, I done slept under a bridge. You feel me? Literally, I'm talking about dead serious and she know it. She can't catch me. But you ain't have to. Just to prove to her that I wasn't gonna go back to the other girl when me and her got into it.

Is this how y'all communicate all the time?

It ain't no communication. It ain't no communication. I don't do all that. I gotta let her talk.

Listen, I need to find out. What's going on?

So I think it's time to unlock the phone. I wanna know. I wanna know what's going on. I seen her checking her phone last night like she said you might have ran into her. She started. I wanna see.

All right, Savina, we unlocked your phone. Here we go.

Let's go.

Kyeshia, you wanna know if Savina is still talking to women she first left you for.

Hell no.

Savina says she is not. My Locked the Phone Investigators searched her texts and found she's telling the truth.

'Cause I love you.

What you talking about?

We not done yet.

We not done yet.

We not done yet.

No, Kiesha, you wanna know if Savina's requesting money?

Savina be on my phone talking to the people trying to holler at me.

Make sure you one of those.

Huh? Yeah.

Well, no, we in yours, Kiesha. You wanna know if Savina is requesting money from other women? Savina says she is not. My Lock the Phone investigator searched her apps and found She's telling the truth.

Come on, man. So you gonna marry me now or what? That's what I'm talking about. I told y'all, ain't shit no, man. She be so, this girl got me gagged.

All right, hold on, we not done yet, hold on, we not done yet.

She got me sick. When she get mad at me, I leave my phone in the room and go somewhere else. That way I ain't gotta worry about her bullying me thinking I'm on the phone doing something else.

Hold on, we not done. Kyeshia, you wanna know if Savina is messaging any other women through social media? Savina says she is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her phone and found—

She's telling the truth.

She's telling the truth.

Yeah, yeah. Now I'm saying right now, but Savina sent me the screenshot when she was talking to the girl. All that. She sent it to me.

All that.

But you sent the video, the screenshot of the girl calling your phone talking about how she gonna always be a part of your life. You forgot that? What? Well, you know it ain't real, boy, 'cause my mind don't remember, my phone don't remember. Your phone don't remember? Don't remember? My phone absolutely had to. My phone. My phone.

Kiesha, we unlocked your phone.

Girl, you better pray. Girl, for what? You better pray. I ain't praying.

Sabina, you wanna know if Kiesha is sexting with a specific ex. Kiesha says she is not. My Lock the Phone investigators searched her texts and found She's telling the truth.

She better be. She better be.

I will tell you this, Kyeshia has been communicating with this specific ex, but it's only about children.

Oh, it better be.

Only about children. Sabina, you wanna know if Kyeshia is on any dating sites. Kyeshia says she is not. My locked phone investigator searched her apps and found she's telling the truth. You seem nervous right there.

She was. Girl, why you nervous right there? She had that dating app that second time she left me. She had to think about it. The second time she left me, I was gonna try somebody else 'cause I really wanted to be with a girl.

All right, well, Savina, you wanna know if Kaisha has been communicating with a specific male neighbor. Kaisha says she is not. My locked-up phone investigator searched her calls and found she is not telling the truth. My investigator found that Kaisha has 167 calls between her and [MASKED]. The last call was as of September 7th.

I wanna know what's on though in the text. Girl. Oh, that's, that's— Girl, you so drunk tonight. It is really your ass. You got jokes. No, it ain't me. You got jokes. No, I wanted to know what's going on. Because also the dude, when I put her out, or when she was leaving, giving her a bed to sleep in. And also the one you told me you was gonna cheat on me with too. And the one who you also, that's why I said that, but I won't do nothing like that. I know you ain't. But you slept in your bed and you slept in there. I sure appreciate it. And you slept in here. And you slept in here. I'm on the floor. Hey, you slapped women here. Anybody throw anything around here, it's gonna be me. That's the only thing swinging is mine. That's the same dude. I don't like hard legs. I like, ouch, I broke a nail.

That's the same dude.

Damn, I broke my toe. They was doing all that. I'm not gay. That's gay to me. Hi. That's gay to me. I don't like men. I feel like I'm the closest thing to a man. I'm all the man I need. But you say you're— All a man can do is lead me to the nearest woman. But you say you're available for anything. I'm a woman.

I'm gonna give y'all a tip, okay? 'Cause I actually enjoy y'all and I enjoy y'all thoroughly. I think that there's a lot of high spirits but also a lot of love here. And clearly y'all ain't doing nothing. Through the fun, I can see in the fun at home can turn into an argument real quick.

Real quick. Yeah, 'cause she gonna take over.

The thing that's not happening here is conversations and compromise.

Compromise.

And y'all need to compromise. Y'all are gonna have to find a way when you feel triggered, when you feel like she's bullying you and not respecting you, when you feel—

I find a way. I go get in the shower and leave her out there by herself.

So that only reinforces the issue she having, which is that you're gonna abandon me and leave me again.

No, but listen, that's what I'm saying. I don't leave. It's like she'll escalate herself and she'll keep going on and make herself mad.

Because you as well have to find some space in your heart to be able to allow this to have real conversations and allow her to have her opinion heard as well.

I do that. I'm my own person.

At the end of the day, like she say, she a woman, you feel me? So same apply when it come to dealing with men because one minute, I mean, I don't know about everybody.

So then everybody got no friends 'cause I can't talk to girly girls no more. I can't have none. Because then you think I'm hunting them, but then if I talk to a man, I'm hunting a hoe.

But we being gay, it's the same.

No, it don't go like that. But you want me to yourself only. No, you can have friends.

I'mma tell y'all this, y'all got some high energy, okay? We go, we go. I told y'all, listen, I gave y'all my advice.