We Were Homeless Together, These Twins Are Yours! | KARAMO

Your boyfriend is accusing you of cheating. Yeah. Please tell me why.

We kind of went through a rough stage. I feel like the reason why he accuses me of cheating because we've been together for 6 years and 2 years of our relationship at the beginning, he was with somebody else.

Okay, 2 years he cheated.

Yeah, so after he decided to, you know, wanna be faithful now, I feel like he feels that I'm cheating because he doesn't cheat anymore.

Yeah.

So I feel like he thinks I've cheated.

But why does he have doubt about the twins?

We were having a rough time. We moved to Los Angeles. We both, he lost his twin brother and I lost my little brothers.

Got it.

And we ended up becoming homeless. I found out I was pregnant at 3 months. So we got in a really big fight and my mom and my father came down there, took me back home because I can't be homeless with 2 kids. Like what I look like? You know what I mean? And then I was a high-risk person, Pregnancy, this is my first pregnancy, twins, high risk, I'm 35. So the whole pregnancy he wasn't there 'cause he stayed in LA.

Was that because he was, so he was still in the same situation in LA, homeless and okay.

And he feels that I left him. No, I didn't leave you out there to dry. I left you because we prayed for these kids and they need an opportunity, a chance at life. So you know, that's why I left.

Is he a good father?

He's an amazing father, he's an amazing father.

When he doesn't say.

When he doesn't say, them your kids. Does he only doubt one?

Does he doubt one of them or does he doubt both of them?

He did both of them, but he's basically like my first boyfriend. My two prior relationships, one real relationship, I was with men that was 20+ years older than me. So it wasn't, there was no connection like how me and him have. So like, I love him. I really do. And I just want him to know that like, these are your kids. I'm not, I didn't sleep with nobody. Like I wouldn't do that 'cause I don't want nobody to do that to me.

Got it. So I know your parents moved you away, So that means he wasn't there at all during the pregnancy?

He wasn't there during the whole pregnancy. My pregnancy was horrible. I argued the whole time and this is supposed to be something that you're supposed to be happy about. Like you're supposed to enjoy it. Like all the moments.

Yeah.

We could have made it work somehow if you would've just came.

Got it.

This is your family. You about to have two kids. Yeah. I don't care. I would've came.

How long did he cheat on you in the beginning?

Two years.

Just with one woman?

It was just with one woman.

Okay. How does it make you feel when he accuses you?

I'm like, we're together 24/7. When we were in LA, we were together 24/7 'cause we all we had. So what do you mean? When did I get a way to cheat?

Yeah. Does he call you names?

You a hoe. Uh-huh. Like, no, I'm not. I've been with you every single day.

Mm, sorry.

Like every day. So there's no way that these kids ain't yours and you know it deep down.

So why you stop?

Are you two still intimate?

Hardly.

Well, let's meet your boyfriend. So everyone please welcome Leron to the show so we can hear his side of the story.

Wow, you look handsome. Look at you.

Hello, how you doing? Hi, Karamo. Nice to meet you. No, no, no, no, no. Hey, boo. How do you feel about what she said?

It's a lot.

Yeah.

I feel abandoned because she did abandon me. You care about the kids' health and safety, but you didn't care about mine.

Got it.

You know what I'm saying? You left me in the streets where I was, I know nobody.

So why do you accuse her?

Because I caught her talking to other people several times.

Is that true?

Yeah, he did.

I find text messages in the phone and then you say, "I put 'em there." How can I put text messages in the phone, you know, and I'm not even there? You talking to somebody else on my birthday. You know what I'm saying? Like, come on, man. And then you say, "Oh, I don't know how the number got in my phone," and just hopscotch it.

But I don't. Is that true?

I don't know how the number got in. Look, we used to drink.

But it is somebody else's number.

It is somebody's number, but I feel like I was looking for him one time. When I mean we used to drink, we used to drink, and I don't even remember.

You don't look for me with people like that.

I had a messed up phone.

I don't kick it with nobody like you.

I had a messed up phone. I had a messed up phone and you saw that it was messed up and it was pressing on my phone.

We be together 24/7.

And you not even touching it.

Well, why are you looking for me through somebody else that I'm never with? That I don't kick it with nobody but her.

So what caused your trust issues?

For one, my mom. I didn't grow up with my mom, I grew up with my grandma. You know what I'm saying?

Okay, panel.

My twin died, my older brother died, my grandma died. That's all I had.

Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? And then I get with her, she's all I got. So I trust you more than I trust anybody else, right? And then you turn around and do this, whatever you're doing, everything under the sun, right? And you think I'm supposed to trust you? When you tell me I put a text message in your phone, I'm not trusting you.

We are here for the DNA truth and we're also here for to unlock the phone. So what happens if we find something in her phone?

I got to go.

You gotta go.

'Cause I've been going through this for 6 years.

Uh-huh.

You know what I'm saying? Okay, 3 of it was my fault.

Where you gonna go?

Okay, what? That's what you said when you left me. Where you gonna go?

No, I didn't.

That's what you said.

Well, yeah, 'cause I was concerned about you being on the street.

You put me there.

We was on the street together.

You just put me there.

You know I remember, we was homeless together.

You just put me there, my friend.

We was homeless together.

You put me there, my friend.

We was homeless together. My mama called the police on you. I didn't agree with that.

You went with her.

Because I was trying to defuse the situation.

What did your mother call the police for?

I know defuse it, what? How do you defuse a situation?

My mom just don't like him. We was arguing. Ain't defusing nothing. And she happened to be on the phone. So she called the police and I feel like she lied 'cause they came over there deep. They all came over there.

You feel like she lied? She did lie. What do you mean?

I don't know, she did. So.

She did.

So.

Then you get me put on the street, right? Oh, police say, "Ah, you got to go, you got to go." She go to her mom's house.

Spend the night for 3 days. Yeah, because I was trying to diffuse the situation and I did not wanna be there with the kids by myself.

You diffuse the situation by leaving your mom alone. That's how you diffuse that.

That's how you feel.

What would help you trust her again?

Her telling you. He don't know.

Her telling you.

'Cause I asked him that question. He don't know. I try hard. I try hard. See, that's the thing. But he don't understand that I really love him. And if I wanted to, I wouldn't be with you.

You do too much trying and not doing.

Really?

You say you try, you try, you try. You don't do.

You don't give me a chance. All you do is—

You had 6 years of a chance.

Really?

6 years of chances.

Really?

You know how many chances I gave you?

All you do is bring up the stuff that was happening in the past. I can't bring up nothing in the past. What you did to me, what hurt me, what scarred me. I had to fight with you every day. Every day.

You can bring that up.

I had to fight another woman. I never did that.

That ain't got nothing to do with me.

It do.

I mean, yeah.

You was the one that was cheating with her.

You was too. You forgot that I come through for $20 bottle of wine, right? You ain't gotta give me nothing. Man, come on, dude.

You got me fucked up 'cause I ain't never said that.

You were with another woman for 2 years during the beginning of your relationship.

Yes, I was.

Okay then. So in that case then, why is it now that she's saying forgive me for the things that I've done And clearly she's forgiven you, so why is the same grace not given?

Because the thing is, right, when I was with the both of them, right, I didn't trust neither one of them. So I was just—

Why? Because you was doing the cheating.

That is true. I mean, you didn't trust them because you were playing both of them.

You did, but they both was playing me.

Hell, I didn't start doing nothing until I found that out. And I really wasn't doing nothing like that. I didn't even wanna cheat on you. I just felt like, okay, I'm gonna get back at you. That's it. I don't wanna cheat on you. I don't like conflict like that.

Mind you, your girl live in the same apartments, right? Now, when I first met her, I didn't even, I didn't know she lived in an apartment.

Yeah.

'Cause I used to live there, right? So we go to the same apartments I used to live in with a coink-a-coink, right? So then one day I catch her talking to somebody else, right? Of course I'm going to call her.

Yeah.

Of course I'm going to, right?

And we just got together.

So then I come and try to get my clothes, right? Oh no, I ain't giving you your clothes. You ain't pay for nothing. This is all mine, right? You don't wanna give me my clothes. I'm gonna call her and tell her to come get my stuff.

Yeah, because we about to have a conversation right now on why she showed up asking for your clothes if you wasn't with her still.

I mean, 'cause I could only make it, I could just—

You could've called the police.

I could have.

Lerone, can I ask you this? What will happen if the DNA results are positive today, that these are your children?

We get married.

You're getting married?

And what else? You gonna apologize?

You're getting married.

You gonna apologize? You gonna apologize for everything you caused. My pregnancy was horrible. 'Cause he, man.

Why they fall out? I don't know why they didn't believe him. Why y'all laugh?

'Cause he's charming. He got a mouthpiece. He got a mouthpiece on him. Like he know.

Man, I've been wanting to marry her since the beginning. I just don't trust you.

And why you didn't? Why you haven't? And that's not my fault.

Yeah, it is.

No, I haven't done anything in the beginning like that.

Yeah, you did.

No, I didn't.

You are the one that wanted to prove these children are his, correct? Well, I think it's time for the DNA truth.

Please. Yeah, please. Please.

In this envelope, in this envelope is the DNA truth for Jersey. This will let you know if he is the father or not.

Thank you.

Here you go. This is your truth to open, not mine.

I don't believe I'm doing this. I'm only doing this because I love you.

I can't believe I gotta ask you to do it.

You shouldn't have to. You know who I've been with though.

No, I don't.

Yes, you do. I've been around you 24/7.

Okay.

So you know. But I'm just saying like, no, I just want you to know that I love you and you're worthy of love. And once you see that these are your kids, no, I'm serious. Don't write me off like that. Once you see that these is your kids, like dude, we gotta stop. We have to be better for them. I don't wanna argue around them no more. I don't wanna do none of that because they hear that. They do. And I want you to be there every second. Don't get mad and be like, these ain't mine. Because you about to know that these are yours.

This is yours right now. Oh, for sure.

Okay. Read it out loud for us. Let us know what it says.

Period.

Who?

Jerzee, biological father. That's your twin, right? That's your twin, right? You don't wanna give me a kiss? I love you. I wouldn't do this. I would not hurt you like that. I ain't gonna play with your feelings like that, Loron. I'm not. I don't want you to do that to me.

Well, we have one other child. In this envelope we have the DNA truth for Jewels.

You can hold that.

There you go.

I'll hold it.

Good.

Thank you, appreciate it.

So, since you be like, oh, you be catering to him, why you looking at him like that 'cause that's that other man's baby?

Oh, wow.

What other man? It's an imaginary man. Keep in mind, it's an imaginary man.

I don't know who he is.

'Cause he don't know the man name. He don't even know what he look like. You know how sneaky she is? I ain't sneaky. You, 'cause you sneaky.

I don't know nothing until I see it.

He Houdini. He'll make anything disappear, including himself. I can't find him where he at. No, you can't. So yeah. So, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Let's see. Okay.

Pop that thing open.

I'm gonna pop it open like a bottle, you feel me? Okay. You ready? You ready to find out this your son?

Yeah, what you set up?

Because I want you, you need to, I'm gonna stand over you so you can see this.

You always stand over me, you're too tall.

Oh yeah, I know. Laron is Jewel's biological father. Now what? Now what? No. What you mean now what? Now what? Apologize for what? Apologize for what? Apologize for what? Why you looking at him because he's that other man's baby? Do you know what that do to me? Knowing for a fact that I'm not cheating. I'm not cheating. I wouldn't do that to you. We planned to have these kids. It wasn't an accident.

You act like I just came out the blue to accuse you. Like I ain't seen that? Like I ain't seen that stuff? But okay.

We together every day, so I'm over here.

Well, the thing is that I'm glad that we've confirmed the DNA truth that these are your twins. How do you feel about that?

I feel good.

You feel good? But there's still the question of cheating, and so we still do need to unlock your phone. I think that will give us clarity on what's been going on. So it's time to unlock the phone. Neosha, we unlocked your phone.

Keep in mind, you ain't got no phone to unlock.

Leron wants to know if Neosha's communicating with men from California. She says she's not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched her texts and found Neosha is telling the truth. Leron, you wanna know if Neosha is messaging men on social media. She says she's not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her DMs and found that Neosha is telling the truth. All right, Leron wants to know if Neosha has hidden contacts on her phone. She says she does not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her phone and found that Neosha is telling the truth.

So this has to stop. This has to stop, Laron. This is hurting me. It's breaking me down. I don't even know who I am no more because of the simple fact I used to be happy every day smiling. I don't smile no more and I want to smile again. Do you not understand that? Okay, so stop doing it.

So, so, Karamo.

Now what?

Different chapter, we can smell it.

I'm still waiting for something.

I apologize.

For what?

For everything.

No, what's everything I need you to say?

You trying to get specific.

Yeah, because you was real specific when you was telling me that I was cheating and I was doing all these things. So I wanna know, why are you apologizing?

I apologize for saying the kids ain't mine. I apologize for accusing you of cheating. I apologize for all of it. And I love you.

And you love me, I love you too. So what I've been asking for this whole time.

You'll get it, you'll get it.

What is that you're asking for?

She wanna get married.

Got it. Can I give y'all my advice? I think before y'all talk about marriage that there's a lot of work that needs to be done.

Oh yes, yes.

I could tell you there's an extreme amount There's extreme codependency here that needs to be healed. I think both of you went through some deep trauma where you lost people and neither of you healed from that. Being around each other 24/7 and also making this promise of I'm here to stay is not helping the abandonment issues. What you have to say is that I will always love you and I'll always be committed to being the best person, but sometimes we might be apart. It doesn't diminish the love and it does not diminish the respect.

I can see that we are Codependent on each other because we're always, we're literally all we have. Yes, I have family, but—

You're not. So this is gonna be the first step. Yeah, I'm gonna teach y'all, all right?

Okay.

I want you to turn to him and say, I wanna turn to him and then repeat after me. Okay. I'm not all you have.

I'm not all you have.

Because you have yourself.

Because you do have yourself.

And I want you to say to her, I'm not all you have.

I'm not all you have.

Because you have yourself.

'Cause you do have yourself.

See, what I'm trying to teach you is that part of that codependency is because you're forgetting what it is to be by yourself, forgetting the love that you have for yourself. I want y'all to get over this codependency so that you two can be the best co-parents you need to be. You understand? You have the DNA and the phone too.

Them your babies.

You have all the truth.

Right.

You have all the truth you both need. And so what I'm gonna ask is when you go backstage, we have a therapist here and I'm gonna ask that he talks to you and give you those first steps. And if you don't make that change for yourself, you gotta make it for these babies. I want, before you walk on the stage, remind yourself one more time, I'm not all you got, you got yourself.

I'm not all you have, you have yourself.

Tell her.

I'm not all you have, you have yourself.

Perfect.

Thank you.

Listen, this is the first step in breaking that code of celibacy. I feel y'all can be all right, all right?