We Were On Drugs, I Refuse To Believe I'm The Father! | KARAMO

Let's talk about what Tiffany told you.

So she told me she was basically going to our local Walmart and she was trading sex for drugs. I mean, she was going up there while I was at work. She was going up there on times that I would stay home with the kids. It didn't feel right.

So when Tiffany told you this, what did you do?

I lost my mind.

Why do you believe you were being drugged by Tiffany? 'Cause when I read that, that was pretty alarming.

There would be nights that I would pass out, wake up the next day not knowing what was going on, not knowing what happened, not knowing anything. So I started leaving my phone and stuff and I would record stuff. And I would record other men in my home while I'm in bed, while I'm in my bed. And she ended up destroying the phones, destroyed I think 3 different phones because of it.

Oh my gosh. So when did you start having the doubts about you being the father of We'd gotten into a fight.

I confronted her about the whole going to Walmart stuff. So I confronted her and stuff. And she, I guess to hurt me, she said, she said, "Well, it doesn't matter because Kyra's not yours anyway." Oh wow. And that was the first of 12 or 13, I think, instances she had told me that the baby was not mine.

So this is repeatedly she'll tell you?

Repeatedly.

So the doubt is not even something where you just were at home and you're like, "Oh well, maybe not." She's putting this doubt on you.

No, absolutely not, no. I love that baby to death. And no, that was all brought on by her. It never crossed my mind until that. Like she put that there.

I just wanna make sure, why were you not thinking it was a joke? Why are you convinced that she's telling the truth?

Because I've had an ex-coworker confirm that he was coming over to my house sleeping with her. I had him on a recording, I had him on a recording smacking her ass on a recording while I'm asleep, having sex with her, telling her that he doesn't care that there's cameras in the house. So when did Tiffany's confession change When she told me she'd first started cheating on me and stuff, it caused me to relapse. I started using drugs again, I started getting high again. Worst decision I ever made, of course. And I got tired of it. We got sober again in March. Once we got sober, oh, it all changed. Now it's all, it was all made up. But there was so many people that corroborated the stories, there was so much evidence.

I wanna know, what did she say right before she gave birth? What did she tell you?

Oh God. So I asked her if she was worried about my daughter coming out or whatever. She said, yeah, she thought that my daughter would come out Hispanic. Now I'm not Hispanic. And then when she didn't come out Latino, that's when it's like, oh well, she changed her tune at that moment.

Yeah. Now let me just make sure, because I know that you said there was some, she had some history with drug use as well. Well, during this time period, But hopefully she was sober.

She says she was. But you're not sure. No, no.

Okay, did the doctor ever say anything?

No, I think she was doing drugs the whole time and then I think she sobered up right before delivery. Right before the delivery. So that way it couldn't be traced.

Got it, got it, got it.

But during the time when all this was going on, she was pregnant.

Got it, got it, got it. Well listen, there's two sides to every story. So let's bring out Mack's girlfriend Tiffany to hear what she has to say about all this. Tiffany, come on in.

Are you kidding me?

You know damn well I was never— you came to me and broke the—

I never ever break phone of your child.

You were abusive as me. I literally—

you know everything that I lied about, you said— you suggested first. You said, oh, you did this, you did this. You kept accusing me, so I'm just like, oh yeah.

So when I—

when you came home— when you came home in November— when you came home in November and was bleeding, was bleeding profusely And couldn't remember where you were just at for hours.

Can you imagine throwing my period pads down near the instruments?

I did that? I brought that shit up November, right?

Yes, yes you did.

You came home bleeding, didn't even know where you were.

And you were on drugs out of your fucking mind.

First of all, thank you for being here.

Hi, Karamo.

Yes, thank you for being here. Do you two fight like this often and do you fight like this in front of your children?

No, not in front of our children.

First of all, I need to know what drugs were you on?

Meth.

Meth, okay, got it. Because different drugs can cause that behavior.

And I was clean, I was clean the entire time that I was pregnant.

Got it, okay.

The entire time. I did not get back on drugs until he pulled it out in front of me and said, let's do this. And so I did.

Tiffany, so you told me yourself.

That's not what I've been told. I told you a million times. You didn't tell me you were getting high. Did you tell me you were getting high and having sex in Walmart? You didn't say that.

Yes, so Tiffany, did you tell him you were having sex in Walmart?

But you said that you were getting high.

After the baby was already born.

Were you having sex with a man?

No, absolutely not. So do you feel— I've never sold my body for anything. I have way too much class for that.

Okay, so what is this about?

I respect myself way too much to do anything like that.

What I wanna know from you is, since you're saying that you've never sold your body, so you never told him anything about there being somebody at Walmart. So what is this about a pimp then?

I have no idea what you're talking about. I've never mentioned a pimp.

Did you say something about a pimp to my producers?

Yes. You never told me that.

No, because I would never do that.

But did you tell me that?

I would never do that.

Did you tell me that?

Mack, we were on drugs. I'm sure I said a lot of things. And actually, you suggested everything I ever lied about, you suggested first. And then you would beat the hell out of me to make me keep making up more shit. I don't want to do that.

Okay, wait.

I beat the shit out of you to make you say more stuff? How dumb does that sound?

Yes, you did.

How dumb does that sound?

Yes, you did.

Okay, answer the question.

Because when you're on drugs, you're not the person that you are.

No, you're not, you're not.

You're not.

And he was a monster.

Did you? Did you or did you not?

But he fails to realize that. He fails to realize his part in this entire situation.

Oh my God.

She said two things, so I was listening. She said that she would never do that, but she also said that when she was on drugs, she might have said it because she felt like you prompted her to say certain things.

Yes, he would always suggest all of these things and he would accuse me of all of these things and I would get so tired of it. I would be like, yeah, that happened.

I'm gonna ask this.

Yes, that happened.

As you were asking her to answer your question, you never answered her question.

Hers.

Were you abusive to her while you were on drugs?

Yes, I was.

Okay, okay.

But, but I'm, but I'm, but I'm a man to admit that on drugs, like she said, you are a different person.

Okay.

Have I been abusive to you since we got sober?

No.

Okay. Why, why does Mac believe you drugged him?

You drug me to sleep?

Because he would literally be coming down, because when you're on methamphetamine, you're high for days, up for days. So then when he would finally fall asleep, he would be so out of it that he would think that I was drugging him, giving him medicine to make him fall asleep. When in reality he was just coming down to practice.

Did you confess to bringing men back to Mack's house for sex?

Yeah, I told him that because he would not stop accusing me of it. However, nothing like that ever happened.

Then why did they confirm? Why did they corroborate your story if it was something you made up?

Nobody confirmed anything.

Did you not say you were stabbed with skewers because that was your punishment to get out? Was it not?

Was it not?

I literally, I kept trying to tell you all this because you kept hitting me.

You were punching me in the face. Then why is there scars?

You had knots all over my head. You cannot stop being abusive. And I promise you, I'm not dealing with this after today.

Neither am I, neither am I. Because if Kyra's not mine, I swear to God this is over.

I wish she wasn't, but there's no possibility she couldn't be. I have been so blinded by what I thought was love, it's fucking insane.

So during the pregnancy, you said you got sober.

I was sober from the time that we got together in October of '21 to the end of October, October 29th to be exact, of 2020. The entire time that I was pregnant, I was sober.

Okay, got it.

The entire group.

So, but his thing is with about your child possibly being from a Latino father was the fact that you are now saying that you were sober when you said that. Now the other ones—

No, I was not sober when I said that there was a possibility, no.

So you didn't say that the day that the child was being born? You're saying that you said that earlier?

No, I did not. We were completely happy.

She said after.

No, I said.

She said after, she goes, "Yeah, I was worried that Kyra was gonna come out Hispanic." That was after we had already gotten back on drugs together and he kept pushing it, kept pushing it and kept pushing it. He would abuse me, he would do the worst thing ever. He would make me—

Okay, what about when you told me you slept with your husband a week after we got together? I wasn't on drugs.

No, actually—

There's a big age difference here, 'cause you're 41 and you're 26.

Yeah, but he actually was so much more like a child.

I do?

Yes, you do.

This is coming from a woman who can't tell the truth to save her own life.

I do tell you the truth, I tell you the truth all the time. I made a commitment to lies when I was under the influence and on drugs.

Yeah.

And I would never do that as a sober person. I don't lie to him.

So have you both been sober since March?

Yes.

Yes.

Great, okay. That's good to know.

Yeah, good. Thank you, Karamo, I'm sorry.

So I love the fact that you have both been sober since March, but I need to know, have you been fighting like this since March?

Every time about this subject, yes.

Okay, every time since the subject, okay.

He's constantly accusing me of it no matter how many times I've said, "Baby, I'm so sorry that I lied to you about all these things, but I'm telling you now, they are not the truth." Is there a possibility that Mack is not the father? Absolutely not. I wish, honestly, I wish that there was a possibility he wasn't, but unfortunately there's not. He is 100% the father.

You've told me 12 different times that I wasn't the father. 12.

I wish that you weren't. You're abusive as fuck.

And what was the relationship? Was the relationship like this in the beginning?

No.

No, I gave her everything. And you used me for a place to live. Your own words.

I did not use you. I completely fell in love with you and now I regret it.

Your own words.

I have to tell you this. Witnessing this relationship, just even for this 25 minutes, the reason I've been silent and taking a lot of notes is it reminds me of similar situations where you're not married, but drugs have such a heavy influence on the relationship that the minute that drugs got introduced, anything that could have been stable in your relationship went out the door. And you all have been gaslighting each other. You have broken all trust with each other. And now from your exact words, Words, "I regret it." When someone says you're in a relationship and "I regret it," it just shows you where their state of mind is. Neither of you are happy and you both know that. Love is not enough in this world.

She was the best thing that ever happened to me.

I get that.

I understand that.

I understand that. But the thing is, is that narrative, that narrative you're telling yourself, 'cause I see you get emotional, I see you tearing up. That narrative you're telling yourself that she's the best thing that ever happened to you is a lie. She's not the best thing that ever happened to you because if she was, and he's not the best thing that ever happened to you obviously, because if he was, you two would not be fighting like this. There would've not been this urge to go back to use drugs. There would not have been this urge to feel like I need to get back into this situation because I need y'all to know this is toxic. Y'all should not be together. And I pray to God that after you leave this, you listen to her saying she regrets it, you listen to yourself and realize that you just, You can find love, but this ain't it. You understand? This is not it. So you don't need to be together. But now there's a young child, Kyra, that is in the middle of this that you may be the father of. And if you are, now the conversation after this is going to be either you can walk away freely or y'all are gonna have to learn how to co-parent together. We can't figure that out until we figure out this. The outcome of this DNA is going to let you know if this is your child or not. Do you feel that this is your child?

He likes her more than me. It is his daughter. Like, I wish that it wasn't at this point, but it is.

Seriously, you know I love that girl to death. To say some shit like that, it's just fucked up as a mother.

It takes a real man to be a dad, but you're only a father.

So you can argue like this, and you're gonna argue like this until you accept that this was never healthy, she was never right for you, and he was never right for you. It's time for the DNA outcome. You ready to open this? 'Cause this is your truth to open, not mine.

She's my daughter.

I told you, I told you.

Bye. She's your daughter.

Char is mine.

And you know what? And you know what? I just gotta say, you come here and you make me look like some dirty whore. I'm not, I'm not. And I hope that proves at least just a little bit of it for you.

Yeah, where's my answers at? Where's the rest of the answers, huh?

Come back here really quickly for me because I'm gonna let you know and I'm gonna be clear. No one is assuming that you are a dirty whore or any of the things you just said. What I assume is that you are a young woman who was on drugs, who made a lot of bad choices and who made statements that was only to hurt him. I believe there was—

Because he was hurting me, yes.

I get it, I get it, I get it.

So did I hurt you when you first started telling me this? No, you came out with this stuff before anything.

Doesn't matter, doesn't matter. What I'm saying that—

She's using that as an excuse for saying this stuff.

Doesn't matter because y'all are toxic. Together, that's been established. Doesn't matter. But now we know that you two have to co-parent. So you're going to have to figure out how to cohabitate as a family, not you two together. And what I wanna ask you, and this is what I was gonna ask you before, the way you're talking to her right now, if in 15 years Kyra was on my stage with a man and this man was screaming at her, what would you do as her father?

I'd be pissed.

You'd be pissed. What would you say to her?

That she don't need to be in that.

She doesn't need to be in that.

But I don't see my daughter coming up with lies like her mama do.

Listen, listen, listen. I'm gonna tell you something right now. I was under the influence. I'm gonna tell you something right now.

She doesn't know who I am.

Let me tell you something right now. You don't see it now, but what you will see is if she watches this behavior, I promise you she will mimic everything she sees. So you as a father, be better to her mother so that your daughter learns that a man should respect her. That's all I'm asking. She told lies. You're confirmed. You got it. She's admitting she told lies. Things were crazy. Things were wild. You're both on drugs. So now you don't have to fight about that anymore. You're vindicated. You now know the truth. But the next step, the next move is yours. So I wish you the best of luck. I wish both of you the best of luck. And I just pray that you keep Kyra in mind so that in 15 years when I'm still on the air, Kyra's not coming here.

All right? Good luck, man.

Good luck to you too, all right?