We’re In An OPEN Relationship, So Is This CHEATING? | KARAMO

Listen, Karamo, it's been a situation for us for the last like 3 or 4 months.

Yeah.

Oh man, it's one thing after another. I found out that she was cheating. Maybe cheating. Let me not say cheating, guys. Let me say maybe, 'cause I love my girl. You know what I'm saying? I love her. So, but found out her phone was locked. You know, we have locks on phones, right? But then you got a double lock.

Yeah.

And I ain't like that. So I'm like, why you got your messages locked?

Yeah.

So then I try to go to her pictures.

Another lock on again.

Yeah.

So when did you and Chelle start having issues?

About 3, 4 months ago. Let me tell you, our life been great. We've been blessed.

How long y'all been together?

About 3 years now.

3 years, okay. So what changed 3 or 4 months ago?

Okay, so we're kind of like not open, but we allow ourselves to be honest with each other since day one. Whatever we had going on. So a friend of hers or an ex of hers was locked up. She was talking to him for a while and he just came home 3, 4 months ago.

Got it. So I need to get that clarity. So you say we're not open, but you're honest. What does that mean? We're honest.

We're transparent. Very transparent.

And just about feelings?

Feelings.

Desires.

Desires. We do stuff together.

Okay, but together you can have fun.

Together.

Together. Got it. So the boundary is together. Together. And then you can share if you might think somebody else is attractive, but you're not acting on it unless I'm there.

Exactly.

Got it. Okay then. You told my producers that you had a cheat sheet.

I do.

What's that?

Let me see. You got this cheat sheet up?

I don't know what's the cheat sheet. Let's go see this cheat sheet, y'all. Let's go see the cheat sheet.

Messing with her ex.

Uh-huh.

She used our coworker to lie about her going out.

Okay.

Changing passwords.

Uh-huh.

And shady social media.

Oh yeah.

I don't know what the shady— I don't know about that.

That's—

I mean, that's the things that I say. That's the red flags to me. If you doing any of that stuff, that's—

I feel like it.

That's the cheat sheet. For sure. Okay, so tell us about this ex.

Well, this ex, he's not, listen guys, the ex is okay. It's not a bad thing. It's just that the way she's moving with the ex. He calls, you wanna put your earphone in and the expression, the face expression is crazy. Like she is like, you could tell when he calls, she, you know what I'm saying? I'm just like, dang, you supposed to be like that for me. You know what I'm saying? So that's the problem.

And the ex just got outta jail, right?

Yes, he did.

Okay then, got it, got it. I can hear Chelle back there. Y'all hear Chelle back there?

Yeah, she a character, y'all, lemme tell you.

So how does Chelle use her coworkers to cheat? 'Cause I saw that on the cheat sheet.

So basically we work at Pizza Hut together. She works two jobs. So this particular day she said she was going to work to help out a coworker. I said, okay, cool. We was out doing our thing. We come home, she changed her clothes and we, Pizza Hut closed at 12.

Yeah.

So we texting like we normally do, whatever, whatever. So I get to calling, she ain't answer her phone. Now guys, we always on the phone.

At work.

Don't matter if it's busy or not. We at work, we going to phone. She ain't answering the phone. She ain't texting me back, but I understand why she not texting me back. We working, right?

Yeah, of course.

So 12 o'clock hits, no Shell. 1 o'clock hits, no Shell. 2 o'clock hit, no Shell. So I'm like, okay, what's going on? So I hit my coworker up like, what's going on? She like, I don't want to get involved with y'all. I don't want Shell to be mad at me. I don't want her to be mad at you. I said, listen, you ain't got nothing to do with this. I need to know if Shell's there. Did she work today? So she said, I'm gonna tell you the truth, no she did not. Please don't be mad at me. So then listen, I said okay, so I hit Chelle up. I said, Chelle, where you at? Oh, we just closing the store, I'm coming. I said okay. So I get mad, of course. Here it comes, she come in the house, we get whatever, whatever, and she trying to say that she went to work. You can't say you went to work when I got people saying you didn't go to work.

And you already know that you weren't at work today.

So that was the situation.

So hold on, with the cheat sheet, you also said her social media is shady.

So the shadiness with the social media is she just told me the other day, and I never thought about it. She just told me the other day the reason why I can't see it. Nobody can see her social media, right? But I'm like, well, why can I not see? Because I wanna see what people saying to you. She beautiful, y'all. She's gorgeous. So what you saying?

You mean like she got you blocked?

I don't think she got me blocked. She says—

But you can't see the comments?

You heard her, y'all.

I don't think I'm blocked.

I don't think I'm blocked.

But you can't see her comments?

I can't see her comments. I can't see nothing. Just everything she posts and everything she say. That's it.

Okay, got it. So how would you describe your relationship?

I mean, like before this situation, it was per— She say nothing is perfect, but in my world it was perfect.

Yeah.

It was perfect. Like I love my girl, you know what I'm saying? She's amazing. She works two jobs, she take care of the kids, she cooks. She's amazing, you know? It's just this right here that's making us go—

So has this always been an exclusive relationship? Well, no, not exclusive, 'cause y'all said y'all— Have the open together. Yeah. Okay then. When did y'all decide to do that?

Since day one.

Since day one. Okay then. So you've always had this agreement that y'all could be open if you played together.

Yes.

Great. Okay, grown folks. I love this. Listen, I like when grown folks set boundaries of their relationship. As long as they work for y'all, it work for me.

Yes.

But your issue is you feel like the boundaries we set, something ain't right.

Something ain't right.

Got it. So what's on the line if it comes back that Chelle's cheating?

Listen, y'all, I already said, listen, if she did, I'm still gonna take her back. We can work through this. Okay. It's kids involved. We got kids. I don't wanna not break up because I just wanna get through this and move forward.

Got it.

Well, let's hope. I'm willing to work, you know.

Well, it wouldn't be you to do that. It was both of us. It'd be her. It'd be her.

Okay.

But let's hope that she's done nothing. Let's hear her side of the story. So everyone, welcome Chell to the show. Hi, Chell.

Hi, Chell. Okay, pull that T-sheet up, please. Let's talk about the cheat sheet since we cheating.

She said no, we need to cook a rack.

Number 1, messing with the ex. I can have a friend. I can have a friend. You don't. I'm just being honest.

They judgmental. They not gonna be on your side on that.

I'm just saying, I can have a friend as long as I'm being transparent and I've been transparent since the beginning. If that's our dynamic.

She said that you put the headphones in.

She gotta hear every conversation. She ain't always been hearing every conversation. Using coworkers. Why is you asking them what I'm doing? When you out with your friends, I don't call your friends and ask what you doing. That's crazy. I'm just real. Hold on. I'm 8 in the morning. She's out till 8 in the morning. But you know where I'm at. I didn't call her friends and say, where y' all at?

Bike club. She knows where I'm at.

Hold on.

You know that. You know that is direct gaslighting. You just did right there.

Just do it. You just said. Hold on. Hold on. You just said. Nikki, you talking about we're being honest. We're being honest. I'll take my copy.

Okay, we'll go for it. So let me see the chance. Change the password.

Change the passwords. Let's get this understood. Her and my children had my password until she changed it 'cause I was insecure.

2 years ago?

And so she never changed it back. So then I did what she did. I told her when the roles was reversed, I wanted it to be the same. I was insecure and my insecurities were not fixed. They were just ignored.

Oh, she didn't honor them?

Of course not. That's why we're here. Let's go to shady social media. No, it's been this way since I was in a bad relationship 8 years ago. You don't need to see what somebody posts on my wall. My comments is open. Why do you gotta see what somebody posted to me? That don't make sense. And are you single?

Are you single?

No, I'm not single. But at the same time, do you gotta see everything that somebody posts to me?

No.

Why did you change your password if I could?

I changed the password 2 years ago because this is why I changed the password 2 years ago.

Because I was insecure.

Because she was insecure. No, I didn't know that was insecurity, guys. What I thought was, She was trying to find something, there was nothing to be found. When I say, every time I leave the phone, she's going to the phone, picking it up, and I'm catching you. And I'm laughing like, why are you going in this phone?

What are you trying to find? I'm doing it in your face, so I'm not sneaking in your phone. It's not about sneaking. I'm doing it in your face.

No, Trishelle, no, it's not.

Okay, so my question is, this is just for everybody. If you did something unfaithful, why would I not wanna go through your phone? And so if you did something wrong, of course I'm gonna look for something else.

I did something wrong in the beginning of our relationship, guys, to help out a situation for us. No, it was wrong. Okay, it was wrong. But I did it for what I did it for, for the family. It wasn't for no passionate, it wasn't for the love, I didn't even know this person, you get what I'm saying? Read between the lines.

But it was all right?

But no, it was not all right.

So isn't that the same thing as you not letting Kova see your post? When you're like not letting her on your phone?

But what I'm saying is I did this after the fact. I'm not saying that that's not what I'm doing, but what I'm saying is you never fix what I ask you to fix.

I understand.

So why am I fixing what you want me to fix?

Okay.

You did this in our first 3 months and we've been together 3 years and I'm still feeling insecure 3 years later. That means it was never fixed, right?

Got it.

You got it, right? And so then, so then the person that she snuck with got on another person's page to message her. Yes, she told me, but if it was nothing, you didn't have no feelings, why the hell is he getting on a woman's page to message you?

That's his feelings, not mine.

It's too much for me.

Let me ask you this, who busted the hole in the wall? Me.

Bring that up, Karamo. Yeah, I did that. Let me tell you why I did it. You ain't paying all the bills, don't do that. I'm paying all the bills.

You don't pay all the bills.

Don't do that.

Don't do that.

Okay. So who has to pay for that?

I am.

Girl, I am. I'm sorry. Girl, bye.

I am. I am.

But listen.

But why you do that?

I did that because this is another situation where I woke up and she wasn't home at 2, 3 o'clock in the morning.

Yeah.

And she said she was out with a friend for some friends, but she don't know these friends. She wasn't out with no friends, y'all.

I can be out with friends.

She was not out with no friends.

Let me tell you why.

I can be out with friends.

Let me tell you why. I can be out with friends. Let me tell you why she wasn't out with no friends.

Because these people that she was out, she just met.

Yeah.

She don't like people. Let me tell y'all that. She don't.

She don't like people.

So the people at her job, she said—

I got two jobs and in college.

Mr. Speedway, she was at. She tried to say she was out drinking. She don't drink, Karamo.

Uh-huh.

So what you out drinking with friends for?

Oh. So when I got mad—

In my work. And when I got mad, I punched a hole in the wall.

Oh.

That's what happened.

So the two of you work at the same place.

One of our jobs.

OK, how do you work together if you fight like this?

We don't work together.

We don't fight like this at work. We're very professional.

No, this is not work.

This is us.

This is like me and my husband at home.

Oh, we don't fight at home either. It's like this.

No, she did that when I wasn't there.

She wasn't there and them kids were asleep. This is 3 o'clock in the morning.

Got it. Okay then. So Chell, are you cheating on Koba?

Is it cheating if we're open? Is it cheating if we're open? I'm just asking. No. Is it cheating if we're open?

Yes. Yeah.

Yes, because you didn't let me know that might be. She didn't let me know neither. What you mean? I'm asking. You didn't fix what I needed to be fixed in that relationship. But I've been trying.

And as a person, as a human being—

What is trying? What you mean? I'm giving you all I can give, it's me. I'm giving you all I can give. I'm listening, y'all, because you're giving what you can give.

Hearing that statement, I think it's time to unlock the phone.

Let's go.

Cheryl, we unlocked your phone.

Yeah, don't you think that's crazy? Somebody done cheated on me and they ain't unlocked too? Shouldn't we both unlock if she's already been?

Why did you request it?

I did request it. I did request it. She said nothing to me until we got to the shop and she acted like she didn't know that I wanted it done. And then when I made it a problem last night, then it was—

Well, let me go through this. Here we go. We're going to start with this. All right, so Kova, you wanna know if Shell has any hidden apps on her phone.

Hell no.

Shell says she does not. My Lock the Phone investigator searched her apps and found that Shell is telling the truth.

Yeah, I knew that. I knew that. These messages they find, girl, I don't delete. It's my phone. I pay this bill. I don't delete nothing. I don't hide nothing.

All right, Kova, you wanna know if Shell is communicating with a specific ex.

Indeed, 'cause you send out answer to calls.

My Lock the Phone investigator searched her calls and found that Shell is not telling the truth. My investigator found 48 calls between Chell and this specific ex.

In 3 months, 48 ain't bad.

7 calls were made as recent as 2 days ago. 7 calls 2 days ago. All right, Cobra, you wanna know if Chell is direct messaging any other men. Chell says she is not. My microphone investigator searched her DMs.

I'm not gonna lie.

I found that Chell—

Is what?

Is not telling the truth. My investigator found 2,936 direct messages between Chell And 16 other men. Several of these— 16 other men? 16 other men. Several of the messages contain explicit photos being shared.

Of course. Okay, okay, okay, wait, wait.

Let me see these.

Let me catch you up.

Get your panties out. Pantsies.

Kev, let me see these.

"Get ready to shake that ass for daddy then." "Yes." "Ooh, I need your—" And then there was a video call. "Call me," and then a video call again. Yeah, exactly.

And what we doing 4 minutes and 44 seconds? What the?

What are you talking about?

Girl, what?

So this is— Oh!

Oh! OK. Wait a minute.

Oh, boy. Oh, it's all right.

OK, OK. OK.

OK. I'm sorry. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And in my defense— Damn! In my defense, in my defense, none of these are new. No, it's 2 of them in there. It's timestamps. I use— what's them called?

Who the fuck is this?

What's this? Oh, I don't know who the fuck that is, but I didn't even, I don't know. It don't even matter because I didn't do it, so it don't matter. We don't get pictures. This is crazy.

We don't get pictures.

I'm just saying, we don't get pictures.

So let me just clarify, is this relationship open or closed? It's open.

Exactly. And then she telling these people that we want a third. I'm just asking, how do we want a third if you're already insecure with somebody that can't come see me? They can't leave the state that they're in. Can I tell you something? A third ain't gonna work.

I have some real direct advice for y'all, 'cause I think you're funny. And you've already told me that you wanna stay together. Yeah. So I can tell that this is a relationship that you both wanna stay in. Yeah. Is that true for you as well?

I love Kova.

Okay. Well, just to let you know, before I give my advice, Chell, my producers say you actually didn't request to unlock Kova's phone. That's why we— Yes, you did. No, no, no. That's why we didn't do it.

What I did was I told one of the people and I said, it's crazy that somebody wants to unlock my phone and didn't wanna unlock hers.

But that's not a request. You gotta say it. And then she said, we can unlock hers.

I said it was no question.

No point because— Oh, so you did say it before.

Yeah, it's no point because if she ain't leaving and I'm not leaving, what are we unlocking phones for?

I think the problem of this relationship is actually too much access because here we go, too much access in a relationship can cause an issue. And I think sometimes people mistake transparency and openness for something that could be healthy, but it can go very toxic very quickly. You want my honest opinion?

I do, Scorpio twin. Okay, I see you.

I do. Y'all need to not be open. Y'all need to take a moment to get back to the basics and reconnect with each other. Because what y'all have to do is y'all have to figure out first the conversation you have to get home and say to each other is what do we want our foundation to look like? Because y'all didn't have that conversation in the beginning. Go back and say, I forgive you for everything in the past, you forgive me, but what do we want this to look like? Is it okay if I talk to an ex? Is it okay if you talk to an ex? What would that look like? And like, don't make it be like, well, you tell me everything. Because what we've already seen is that don't work for you. For y'all. There needs to be some healthy mystery in this relationship. So go back, rebuild the foundation. I think this can work out. I can see the love. I know y'all want a family. Y'all clearly have a lot of fun together. We do. So just rebuild the house from the bottom up, okay? I believe in y'all. I'm gonna check up on y'all, all right? Listen, I wish y'all the best of luck. Thank y'all for coming here, all right?

Thank you.