When The Audience Attacked & Got In The Drama! | KARAMO

Y'all wanna get it on? Y'all wanna get it on? All right. And we can respect to get it on when we get outta here, 'cause I don't know why you talking like that. I don't know why you talking like that.

So you heard your brother, he's concerned about you.

I don't know what he concerned about.

Uh-huh.

Yeah.

What do you think he's concerned about?

I don't know. He should be concerned about himself. I don't know what he concerned about.

About myself?

Yeah. Worry about yourself. Anywho, back to you.

He brought you here because you've been arrested 4 times.

Yeah.

How do you feel being 14 and being arrested 4 times?

I mean, I feel like plenty of more 14-year-olds, probably 13-year-olds got arrested more times than me.

Nah, don't say that, bro. What?

I'm just saying. Am I lying though? Because everybody else—

You did the worst. What are you talking about?

I'm not talking to you.

Tell me.

Yeah, I mean, yeah.

So you think other kids are getting arrested for it too?

I mean, I know females that's like 13 getting arrested.

But that's them, that's not true though.

All right, I'm not talking to you though. I'm not talking to you though.

When you talk about getting arrested, were you upset? Do you think it's okay?

I mean, yes, I was upset, but it is what it is.

Mm-hmm. What do you see for your future? Future, what do you want?

I mean, I wanna become, feel me, I wanna have my own business.

What kind of business?

Like have a lash business type, something like that.

I like that. Okay, I see you. All right. That behavior, that's not taking nowhere.

Stop talking to me. I'm not talking to you.

So I see that anytime your brother says something to you, you sort of cut him off. What is it about your brother trying to talk to you about what's going on that makes you feel like I'm done with it?

You was a teenager before. Everybody in here used to be a teenager, so I don't know what's the problem.

They definitely wasn't acting the way how you was acting.

All right, so mind your business.

So you stay out all night?

Like what, school days?

Yeah.

Okay, I will come home like around 12.

You're lying, she comes home around like 1 or 2 AM.

Or sometimes I stay at my friend's house and then from there I go to school.

And how are your grades?

I mean, my grades is not that good, I'm not gonna lie.

Have you become sexually active?

Yeah.

You're mad young, like you say that was so much fun.

You got me in this show because what? Because what? Weirdo.

You need a re— Bro, what? Okay.

I don't know why he acting like this. He acting mad, David.

And so you know your brother's just looking out for you though, right?

Yeah, I know.

Uh-huh.

But I feel like he doing too much.

You should be acting your age.

Are you weird?

You should be acting your age. That's what you should be doing.

Hold on, hold on, hold on.

Like for example.

For example what?

Since she continues to post these TikToks about her body and doing all of this. Do you think there's an issue with your TikToks?

This is just me doing me. If y'all got a problem with it, I don't know what to tell y'all.

What's your issue? It was completely outta line for a minor to be doing that, shaking her ass on the internet. I told people to ban her account. Thank God enough people banned her account.

Anywho, anywho.

Did people ban your account when he did that?

Yes, he's like, who does that? Like, who does that?

I'm gonna ask you a question. Do you feel misunderstood?

Yes, because it's like everybody just sitting here judging me because I'm acting this type of way, but nobody knows why I'm acting this way. Nobody knows about my background.

What is the reason?

All right, so you know me, I used to be young. First of all, I don't know who just said yes please. Y'all wanna get it on? Y'all wanna get it on? All right, and we can respect to get it on when we get outta here 'cause I don't know why you talking like that. I don't know why you talking like that. I didn't ask you, we're about your daughter, not about me. Why you here? Why you not watching about your daughter?

Come on, come on.

Your daughter belong in the street.

Okay, so talk to me.

All right, so I'm gonna tell you.

Talk to me.

The reason why I act this way is because it's like, ever since I was little, my mother and my father was never around. It was always my grandmother. I was living in a toxic household. It was like this one day where I did end up getting raped, yes. And it was like, it was very hard for me 'cause nobody, nobody like understood me. Everybody thought that I was lying. I was not lying at all.

So yeah, you just said that. I'm sorry.

Yeah, so that's why I act this way. And, um, people say I'm too grown for my age. I don't think I'm too grown. I'm too mature for everything that I've been through. I learn and I live from it and I move on. That's me. That's basically my whole entire life. That's basically what I've been doing. So it's like the fact that Certain people just sit here and be like, nah, look at her. I know she be, I know she don't listen to her mother. I know she'd be doing this. I know she'd be doing that. At the end of the day, my mother is very hard on me and everything. At certain times I don't listen to her, but my mother got boundaries for me and I do not pass them boundaries.

Do you agree that just sometimes your sister listens to your mother's boundaries? At times. Yeah? At times. She takes into consideration, but sometimes, She just does whatever she loves to feel. Yeah. And I truly care about you as well. Like, you know, I love you. You're my sister. You know, God forbid I see something crazy happen to you. Did you know that happened to your sister? And did people not believe her? 'Cause they thought that she was just acting out?

Yeah.

And that happens to a lot of young girls because they exhibit behavior that people think is wild. That all of a sudden they dismiss when they tell you they've had pain or trauma.

Yeah. Females that's going through this right now, I feel like, I feel so sorry for them because it's like I've been there.

I get it. And so now you're sitting in a household where you got a lot of pain you've been dealing with. You feel alone.

Yeah.

You feel like no one understands you.

Mm-hmm.

And you're sitting here just trying to figure out how to deal with it while also having fun as a young person. Yeah. I get it.

Yeah. That's basically what I've been trying to do.

You do understand why they're concerned though?

Yeah, and I do understand, but like, can I get, like, can y'all understand me too? Like, yeah.

You deserve that same understanding and that's what you screaming out. See, the thing for me is I see past when people come out and they trying to be wild and they do all this stuff. I actually see a smart young girl. She's telling y'all like what she's doing. She's telling y'all like she's aware. This is a very smart young woman, but it's also a young girl who has a lot of pain.

Yeah.

And when you experience trauma like what she expressed, and when you also have a family that he also described where the father is always at work, not around, where your mother is probably trying her best to survive and doing all she can, now you feel alone and like no one's around really to pay attention to you.

Yeah.

Do you want better for yourself?

Yes, I want better for myself.

How do you think you can get better for yourself?

How I wanna do better for myself is just doing what I gotta do.

Okay, so you know that you need to do something. Do you understand that he's here to support you in that?

Yeah, but I feel like he's supporting me in the wrong way.

What way do you need him to support you? Tell your brother.

To be understandable. To sit down, like not sit down, but it's like, yo, Melanie, let's do this, let's do that. Melanie, how you feeling? Like, you okay? You ate? You good? Like, be understandable.

Do you feel like you do that for her? I try, but like every time I try to talk to her, have any type of sort of conversation, it's just like a slap in the face. She doesn't hear me out. I am a concerned brother, but sometimes I just feel like whenever I talk to you, you just give me no response back. It's like I'm talking to a wall. Why do you do that? We saw it here a little bit. You shut him down. Why do you do that?

I feel like how I said, you should just check up on your sister and see what, you know, why she's doing that, why she's acting like that.

So you're saying you don't want him to come to you with like, I'm judging you, why you doing this? You staying out instead of being like, what's going on? Yeah. What happened? So you ask him for more emotional language instead of more like disciplinary in action.

Yeah.

Do you feel like you take on that disciplinary role 'cause you the big brother? Absolutely. Well, so your sister's telling you she don't need you to.

I really don't. I just need you to support me, not be here for me.

Do you hear that? She needs you to be there and just ask her how she's doing, not to discipline her. And the reason I asked you about the questions about your own childhood is because I want to make a parallel of like what happened to you in your childhood. And you said that your father wasn't there. So like you had similar experience. I'm sure you wanted somebody who could just be there for you and say, how you doing right now? You need anything? Can I be there for you? Sometimes we forget that people just need support and not discipline at a young age. And you need support. You're screaming out for support is what you're asking for right now. Yeah.

Yeah, I am.

Yeah, you are. And it's okay. You 14, it's okay. I'm 42 and sometimes I be screaming out for support. So it is okay. Can you be there to support your sister?

Of course.

Yeah?

Yeah?

In the right way, yeah. This is what I wanna do for you.

Yeah.

When you get back to school, I want you to give me that next semester, wherever your grades are now, I just want 'em to go up one grade. I ain't trying to tell you to have all A's, just one grade. You get your grades up, I'll put you on personally and tell people to follow you. That is a promise I will personally make to you if you can commit to go back to school and to get your grades up one grade. But for you, now that she knows that she has a goal that she can work to, you can say to her, "Hey, you got this goal, I know you want it. How can I support you? How can I be there for you?" Not, "Melanie, you doing this again. Melanie, you wilding out. Melanie, you doing this." Instead of that, "I understand why you do it. You're a supportive and loving brother, and I'm so happy that she has you in her life because one day when y'all are older, y'all gonna be there for each other like you can't even imagine. I already see where this friendship's gonna be at. Y'all gonna be 25, 30, hanging out, it's gonna be the best relationship ever. So I'm glad y'all got each other. But right now it has to shift the dynamic if y'all gonna ever get there. So give her support, help her with the goal that she now has through me. You go do the goal, you go get your grades up, and I promise you I got you. And thank you for being vulnerable with my audience, okay?

All right.

All right, everyone. This brother and sister, they gonna be all right. Y'all feel that? They gonna be all right. How many daughters do you have? 17 daughters and 10 sons. And I have 12 grandchildren. 12 grandchildren. From the age of 29 to 1 years old. Wow, you got a 1-year-old? Yeah, I have a 1-year-old. Oh yeah, I can still make 'em. Would you say you have a relationship with majority of them or not all? Like what's the—

Not all of them.

How many do you have a relationship with? I'm gonna say like 8. You have a relationship with 8 of them? Yeah, like 8. Out of the 20? Yes, sir. Okay. And you think that's all because of the mothers? It's the mothers. Do you talk to all of their mothers? Nah, 'cause they got, you know, they weird. You know what I'm saying? They play the games, you know? I ain't with that. I cut 'em off. Do you think that you have something to do with that as well? Hey, it ain't my fault, man. At all? It ain't my fault. It ain't my fault. So why do you blame the moms? Because they play games, you know what I'm saying? And they ain't trying to deal with me. So do you want to be Janessa's dad at this point? Of course. Of course I want to be her father, 'cause I've been here this long, like I said, since she been born. So why stop? Well, so if you want to be her dad, then why cut her off? Why stop communicating over one photo? I can't even really speak on that because Like I said, it bothered me. It hit a nerve. Yeah. How long have you not been in Janessa's life recently? 'Cause you said you stopped communicating, so. It ain't been like, it ain't no gap in it. It's probably like a couple years. 'Cause I'm just— So in my mind, I'm assuming that you and Janessa haven't spoken in like 6 months or so. So how long? It's been like 3 years, 4 years? I say about a year and a half. So it's been about a year and a half that you two haven't talked? Right. Okay. Janessa has told our producers that it's been 4 years since you all have talked. Oh no, it ain't been no 4 years. I'm gonna say like 2018, '19, somewhere around there. That's about 4 years. That's about 4 years. That's about 4 years. That's about 4 years. But I'm saying though, it ain't been like no gap, like no 10 years, nothing like that. Yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah. Listen, I think there's a big piece of this puzzle that we need to start who I'm talking to right now because I'm hearing your perspective and I'm hearing what you're saying, but I think it's important for us to get to this DNA outcome. We still need to hear one important side of the story, which is Janessa. So I wanna welcome your daughter, or potential daughter, Janessa, to the show. Janessa, come on out. How often was your father there?

Barely, every once in a blue moon.

Yeah.

I was with his family the whole time. I barely seen him. He'll buy me stuff like that, but it's time that you supposed to spend with your kids. You didn't spend no time with me.

You need to chill.

And it's the truth.

Janessa. Janessa, keep it all the way 2000.

You keep it all the way 2000. You're sitting up here lying. No, you're lying. You was never there and y'all people cut me off because of it. You have trash character.

Man, get outta here. Come on. How did it make you feel when you saw that they cut you off? Because they—

It hurt because they know that they've been my only family. They've been the only people that's been around my whole life. So it was just like, just to just stop talking to me completely, like that hurt. You know what I'm saying? And nobody, you could've conversated with me. Said, talk to me about it, they just don't.

So it's been 4 years since that photo was posted?

It's been a few years.

It ain't been no 4 years, Your Honor.

No, it ain't been 4, it's been like 3 years.

Why did you send me that friend request? Was it something that you wanted to show me?

Probably just 'cause I seen you on my suggested friends. Why would I just wanna, come on. You thought I was being funny and I was not.

Yeah, I really think so.

No, I was not being funny.

Janessa, when did you find out that he may not be your father?

My mom told me when I was like, had it been like when I was 16, but I really didn't believe it or pay it no mind. Until I started trying to reach out and contact this other man and you know, his other daughter, I look just like her, so it made me question it.

And then why did you post the photo?

Because I caught myself trying to have a relationship with him and you know.

No, I think that was meant for me to see.

It was not.

That was meant for me to see.

I was not being funny. I was not being funny at all.

All of a sudden I get a friend request and this cat pop up.

I was not being funny towards you though. It wasn't, it had nothing to do with it. I just happened to send a friend request.

He did to me as well.

But you didn't say anything to me about it when you could have spoke about it. You could have said something.

Janice, I wanna ask you a question. How do you feel about Michael having 27 kids?

I mean, to each his own, but like, if you can't, no, seriously, but if you can't even, you don't even talk to like all of them as is, so why keep having more and more kids is what I don't understand. You just keep having more kids.

I like that. Why do you keep having more kids? And that's a sincere question. You just said you have one that's 1 year old, but you only have a relationship with 8 outta 27. I mean, that's not my fault though. Like I said, the mothers, hey, these whores is what I'm gonna call 'em.

So what are you?

Hey, they put theyself in that situation.

What are you though? No, so that's— Yes. What you mean? If it's okay for her to be calling me a whore, then what am I?

No, no, no, seriously, seriously. I wanna ask that because you're calling these women who are not here to defend themselves, whores. You don't think that you're a whore?

I ain't gonna say no names. But I know—

Hey, you took part in that too. So you're a whore too. You're a whore too. I'm a whore too then. All right, so listen, I think it's time to get into comments from my audience, 'cause I wanna know what my audience feels about this. Hey, come on. Bring it on. I can see you wanna talk some good. What is your point of view on this? I mean, bro, 27 kids? One of them's 1 year old? You're out of control. Don't you think you're like a menace to society? I mean, it's out of control.

It's out of control.

Don't y'all think I'm no menace to society? No, not at all. Not at all. Hey, the Lord said be fruitful, you know? Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. We can't bring Jesus into this, all right? All right? But the honest question is, is that we see the pain that's going on right here. Of this woman saying to you, I feel like you weren't there, I feel abandoned, I didn't feel loved. And the fact of the matter is that he is making a valid point that he says you have 26 other kids out there. Do you feel like your behavior is reckless? No, 'cause I ain't did nothing wrong. If I did something wrong, then I'mma admit to it. I gotta stand on that. So I got a question for you. My question is, do you actually have a job? Do you have a job to support these 27 kids you keep having? Oh yeah, I like that. Hey, I got my own business. What kind of business? I got an online website. And you support 27 kids with your online website? I support mine, just understand that. 8 or 27, that's my question. I support mine. You must've been paying attention. What are your thoughts? Do you think having 27 kids makes you a man? Yeah.

Yeah.

Can you remember all their names? Yeah, I'm a man of mine. That's a valid question, actually. Do you know, can you remember all of your children's names? Oh, I would. This is a question you asked it because I have two sons and I promise you sometimes they wake up in the morning and I call one the other name. And that's the two. And maybe it's because I'm getting older and I'm like, Jason, I mean, Karamo. Right, right, right. You know, you get confused when it's time for the birthdays and all that, you know, so. 27 of 'em. I get a little twisted at times. Are you ready for this DNA outcome?

Yes.

All right, here's the envelope. I gotta read it? Yeah, it's for you. If you could open it and read the results out loud for us.

Okay.

She's good to do it.

Okay. Lord says you are not the father. And I kinda knew it.

cuz the father cuz you had in the picture post it up?

Yeah.

You think so?

I'm pretty sure.

What's making you so emotional right now?

Because, like. Because now I feel like now they really is just going to look at me like I'm not family anymore. See, just like, you know?

Yeah. Come here, come here, come here, come here, come here, come here, come here, come here, come here, come here, come here, come here. I can't. 'Cause you gotta grieve a lot. You have a lot to grieve.

It hurts if he just walks away. It don't make it no better.

I know. That's what I was asking for and that's what I was worried about. 'Cause if he walks away, he's already disconnected once when he just saw a photo.

That just shows me like how he really feel, I feel like.

So I'm just— That no matter what his experience is and however he treats you, I know it hurts. There are people that want to love you and show you the love that you deserve.

I don't know.

You're not alone in this, Tamika.

Thank you.

You're not alone, seriously. Come talk to me right here, come scoot down. Do you need support or help with talking to the man that you think is potentially your father?

That would probably be the best idea because he's the only other potential, you know, and for me to just actually know for sure would probably be like, Closure.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, so.

I'm gonna tell you something and this is my honest opinion. You are better off with this man not being your father. That's the truth.

I feel like that too. 'Cause he got enough.

You know what's for the best. I feel like on your growth and where you're at and I'm looking at you and I'm looking at your vulnerability and I'm looking at how you are as a young woman, I can tell that you can recognize unhealthy behavior. That right there lets you know that he's not in a place emotionally or mentally to be there for you.

'Cause if we can't even communicate about it, you know, we both adults now at this point. So if you can't even come to me and say how you feel, you know, then that just goes to show how much you really don't care if you ask me.

You've dealt with abandonment, you have some trust issues, am I sure?

Yes.

Okay, yeah, I know, I can start reading.

It's kind of bad.

Yeah, I'm sure. And I don't want that to start deterring you from getting the love life that you deserve. Because at the end of the day, I hate that he could not be the man that you deserved. And I hate that your mother was not able to give you the information you deserve so that you could have clarity earlier. Yeah. But you do have me and other people who support you and love you. And we want to be here for you. Thank you. You let me be here for you?

Yes. All right.

But I got a message. I got a message for men at home that are like Michael. I want you to know that having a bunch of kids kids that you don't take care of, you gotta do better. It is not cute. Multiple kids does not make you a man. Multiple kids does not make you attractive. Multiple kids that you are not caring for makes you delinquent and makes you a coward. Stop being a coward and step up. As we've seen right here, Janessa has suffered enough, her mother has suffered enough, and these other women's children have suffered enough. Enough men would doing this BS. It's time to step up. You hear me? We love you, we got your back. You see this audience standing? We got your back, all right? We love you. Any of y'all got some comments on this? All right, let's take it to the comments. Yes, boo. Okay, I see it. All right, what's your comment?

My comment is what is making you guys stay? Like what is it? It's nothing but toxicity and you guys are just going back and forth. No one's listening to each other. What's the point?

That's a good question. Why are y'all staying?

Well, for my answer, honestly, like despite like what we go through, like what the argument and the toxic stuff going on, like I've been going through a lot. We go through things outside of our lives. Really all we have is each other. So when I'm in my bed crying, when we broken up and I don't have nobody to talk to, this is my only friend. Like this is my best friend. So like, that's why I wish you would like put all of that aside. Like just like love me. Like that's all I want you to do. And I wouldn't have to keep breaking up with you or keep having to do my own thing. Like all I ask for is love and respect. That's it. That's all you gotta give to me, baby. That's all I ask for. And communication.

So you're saying because you said this is your best friend?

Yeah, like this is my best friend. Like my love, I love her too. Like I would marry her. I can see myself being with her.

Yeah, only reason I said that is because do you know what a best friend is? You know what best friend means? Like, because lemme tell you something, I have a best friend, he's sitting right there. And lemme tell you something, if he ever talked to me the way y'all talk to each other, Trey, if you ever, lemme just let you know. Yeah, if you ever, Trey, it would be a wrap because that's not what a best friend does. A best friend is there to support you, communicate with you, love you, be there for you. That really ain't your best friend. Lemme tell you that right now.

What did you find? I love you guys and I'm 33 with a 9-year-old right now. She's not my best friend. She left me and went to South Carolina. You're not gay, you like dick. So you're gonna keep going back to it. You want the box, so you're gonna do anything to take that box. That's not love, that's toxicity. Oh, I don't want the box, I'm trying to marry her. But you're trying to marry her, but you're trying to defile her like that. She's gonna keep cheating on you and you're gonna keep cheating on her. I just got out after 13 years and that's all we kept doing.

So hold on, so let me think because there was like, you made a couple statements. Hold on, you had a lot of things to comment on. Let me go back. Peace by peace.

They triggered me so much.

I see, I see. So first thing is that you're assuming that she still wants to be with men. Why do you feel that way?

'Cause she doesn't say, I don't wanna be with a man. I'ma be with who I wanna be with. So you're allowed to be with whoever you want. He, she, him, they, them, thee. I'ma be with whoever I wanna be. I'm with a man right now. I still love Shay. That's the girl I was with. I gave her all my life, but I was only gay for her. No, you got comfortable with her. She feels good. She's safe. But she will burn you every chance she gets because you gave her that safety. And it's her people, her fault. Come on, man. No, but you're not better. You're not better. You got something happen to you so you don't like men. Don't forget that. People got history. Hurt people hurt people. You found that in each other and you're gonna sink it in for the rest of your lives. Just go away. She had to go to another state. I literally work like a dog just to not think about it anymore. Just stop. That was the whole point.

I'll give you a little hug. I can see you're hurt. So she's, you're hearing from her, she's been in a similar situation and she's saying that she feels like maybe the only reason you're saying you like this relationship or that you're identifying as bi is because you feel safe, you feel comforted.

So can I ask you a question?

'Cause she, Nas says that you cheat only with men.

Is that true? Because that's, Nas only caught me cheating with a guy. That's only why she says that.

Oh, so you—

You don't know what I do. Like, she just doesn't like women. You cheated with guys? She does not like guys. 'Cause every time I look through your phone, it's always a man. Wait, so I never talked to a stud before? But you never cheated. You lied and said you were with a stud. Cheating is talking. You lied and said you were with a stud. You was never a stud. What are you talking about, bro? I'm talking about somebody else. What are you talking about? You do know what I'm talking about. I did try to talk to a stud and you was like, "Oh, so you texting her?" So you— Bro, that's talk. Be real. That's talk. Now it's talk. This is my home. You're a hypocrite. You're a hypocrite.

What's your comment? Aside from what everybody else said, I have one devil's advocate comment, is that you guys keep arguing back and forth, but you, Nas should look in the mirror whenever she's talking about her and bringing her down. You guys gotta work out through the insecurities because you can only sink a ship once the water comes in. So between you guys, y'all are the ship. You know what I'm saying? Thank you. So do you think, do you think you two have some insecurities Do you think there's insecurity issues? I'm gonna start with you, Nas. Do you think there's insecurity issues?

With me or with her?

With yourself.

Actually, no, I can't say. The only difference is, no, no, the only difference is I'm not, I love my body and I love myself. The only difference is I'm not the dude that she wants me to be. I'm a woman, that's it. I don't have no insecurities about me. No, you don't. I don't? I don't think you love yourself 'cause if you did, if you loved yourself, you would have respect for me and you'll love me the way you love yourself. That's how you love yourself, how you treat me? No, but you're not me, I am me. Exactly, that's how I know you don't love me. Like, what do you mean? You can't love yourself if you treat me like that. If you love yourself, you will love somebody else how you love yourself. Okay, well, you can't love yourself if you treat me like that. What you talking about? I never said I did. I really can't believe that I possibly have a brother that I haven't known about for almost 40 years. My family's so convinced that Abdul is my brother, but I need proof at this point. I just need everybody to chill. Just because someone takes a genealogy DNA test doesn't mean that it proves the exact relationship. I don't know anything about this man Abdul. What's his story? Where did he come from? My father has a very common name. I'm sure there were a lot of Michaels in the military. I just can't believe that I could have had a brother that I have known nothing about for almost 40 years. I'm a mother. I could never imagine letting my kids grow up without knowing who their father is or their family. And if my dad actually knew about him and didn't say anything, I'd truly be devastated. This has gone on way too long. It is time for the truth to come out one way or another. 39 years that we've missed on being able to develop a relationship.

If he's your brother?

Correct. I mean, you know, I'm the product of, you know, him and my mom were high school sweethearts. I'm thinking too, like, I'm doing the math. You and my mom broke up when I was 3. He's a year younger than me. And then I have another brother that's like a year and a half younger than me.

Oh wow. So that was getting around.

That was busy. So I'm like, did my mom mean anything to me?

Yes, it totally destroys other relationships. But Abdul, for you, I know that you're staying close. Tomika still has doubts. She has doubts. How does that make you feel? I mean, I just wanna love 'em away, you know?

And if the test will help.

That's actually really sweet. I wanna love 'em away. Wow, I like that. Well listen, I think there's somebody that we need to bring in here, which is Michael, your potential father. So everyone, please help me welcome Michael to the show. You smooth. How you doing? How you doing? I'm good, good, good. So Michael, you said that the news about, you know, finding out about Abdul was a bombshell to you. Talk about that moment. I was in Florida, and I had a first cousin call me. And she said, hey, what are you doing? And I said, well, I'm chilling. Yeah. And she was like, are you sitting down? And I was like, for what? She said, I have some news. So, you know, actually, I thought somebody died. She said, you may have a son.

I'm like, how I get a son?

I mean, what happened?

You know?

So it's like, and I'm married. So I'm like. So did you know about Abdul at all before he showed up on your doorstep 3 months ago or a few months ago? Never. Never? Never had an inkling. I was in Fort Huachuca, Arizona. I met his mom one time before, but there was no verbal interaction. We was all at somebody's house, military, playing cards, drinking. And just me and my girlfriend kind of got into it and I was like, okay, I'm just going to the club. You know, it's the weekend. And I ran into his mom again and we conversed, we danced, we drank. We know where this going.

Yeah.

No game. And we made a dope decision that we was gonna leave together. Yeah. And one thing led into another, and now it's here. Yeah. But I hurt my daughter. What's up? When I finally talked to my daughter, she said, Dad, you've been cheating on my mom. And not only once, but his mom too. And I heard her.

Mm-mm.

And when I first answered the phone, and there was this burst of energy coming through the phone, hey, Dad. And I was like, mm. Yeah, you were hesitant. Right. Yeah. I mean, I never met him. I never saw him. And for him to call me dad, I didn't know how to respond. I really didn't. That's what I was gonna say though.

Like, hey Mike.

Yeah. Well, I mean, I've said it here, like even though you've embraced this, we really don't know if this is your father. You know what I mean? And so I can understand those feelings. Like, were you uncomfortable by hearing him say dad? Yes, it threw me off. Yeah.

But are you sure you didn't know about him?

No, I didn't know about him. No, I didn't know. I wanna talk to your mother. She's in the audience. Wallah.

Okay.

So Wallah, I gotta ask you immediately. We just heard you say that. Did Michael actually meet Abdul when he was younger?

Yes.

Did he hold him?

Yes.

So he knew about Abdul The entire time.

So I didn't know who his father was. So that could be his interpretation of not knowing.

But you did tell him, I'm assuming, when he held him that it could possibly be his. Did you?

We didn't have that exact conversation. It was, he showed up, he came over, and I said, "This is my son," and that was that.

We didn't have no big conversation. I didn't even know where you live. Abdul, I think at the end of the day, we gotta figure out the DNA outcome. How important is it to you to find out this right now? I mean, like, I really just want the family to be able to bond, to be able to heal. But if this is not your father, what are you gonna do? Because you put a lot of importance in saying that this is your father. He'll still call me. I mean, you know. What are you gonna do?

Still call, still call.

I mean, we got a connection. Yeah. You know, so if he not my dad, then— I'm his friend. He, yeah, that's Uncle Mike. Well, are you ready to know if you all are related? Are you ready?

I'm ready to know. You know, I just, my brother Andrew especially is very close to Abdul and he lacks that relationship. You know, for everyone's sake that it comes out that he is because we're invested at this point.

Got it. Well, all right. Well, listen, Abdul, here you go. This is the DNA outcome. I want you to open it. If you'll please read it out loud.

Oh. Ready?

All right. Michael is your father.

Good job.

Good job. Good job. I'm happy about that. I'm happy for you.

I'm happy for you. Make up on you.

Look, thank you. Thank you for a nice son, but the being called a dog— look, I I don't— look, was I a busybody? I was a busybody.

Yes, yes, you was. But we were young, Michael, so, you know, don't worry about it.

I loved her mom too, I'm telling you. But I'm telling you, I didn't— I knew the word love, I just didn't know how to do it. Michael, I want to give you— come take a seat. Come take a seat for me. At the end of the day, I'm really happy that this family has answers and that you all know because there was a lot of confusion that was making you seem like a bad person. At the end of the day, you did have actions when you were younger. This is affecting you. I never held him at 3 months old. You're happy. Hold on, let's take a moment. You're happy because you're— Y'all can judge me. I never held him at 3 months old. Your son is having an emotional moment because it's finally out. It's the missing piece. Look at that. It's the missing piece. This is truly your dad. There's healing here. You know, Dad, Mika, you know, I just wanna love y'all.

I love you too.

We love you too. And one thing, this is the thing, there's a lot of healing that needs to happen here. Right. And I know that you— I'm trying. I know, but I will tell you, the thing that I would tell you to do a little bit more is to just to listen to your kids a lot more. I think a lot of what you do is, I do believe you're there for your kids, but I think a lot is defending who you were and the actions you made. And at this point it's just about apologizing and just trying to listen to them and make amends. Right.

Says the billionaire.

And I didn't mean to hurt you. I know it makes me look bad. I didn't mean to abandon you. I didn't mean to abandon him. But I was abandoned too because I have 4 kids and I'm very active in their lives and it's very unfortunate for any father to have a child out there and not know it. I mean, it's just unfortunate. Now that this is confirmed, there's still gonna be pain and hurt even through this smile that's gonna pop up. Your daughter still has pain and hurt. Her mother has pain and hurt. It's just for you just to make amends with everyone when you can, just by listening and not defending. Can you do that? I can do it. If you can do that, I believe this family would be all right. I'm happy for you. Today we are solving a DNA mystery. My guest is actually a friend of the show. Elizabeth has been a member of our studio audience. You see, just 3 years ago, Elizabeth found out that she was adopted. And after visiting our show a couple weeks ago, she was compelled to connect with one of my producers in hopes that she can find answers to her own DNA mystery. So Elizabeth, are you ready to start your journey from audience member to now main stage guest?

Yes.

Yes, you are? All right, well listen. Come on, Elizabeth. I mean, hold on, hold on. Where's everybody going? Come on, love. I love this. So I gotta ask you because it's kind of like meta right now. What is it like being in my audience. I don't know, 'cause you know I love y'all. We talk all the time.

Yes. I had a great time.

Yes.

Yes, I had a good time dancing and everything.

So what was it that compelled you to say, was there a story or anything that I've done that says, that resonated with you to say, I wanna be on the show?

A couple of stories. I enjoyed the DNA testing with the young lady. She kept calling her mom the sister mom.

Oh, sister mom. Yes. I remember them.

Mm-hmm. And I enjoyed the young man. He was an addict with his mom. You're a mom and I know your son, you know, he's a recovering addict. So I respect you and I see a lot of things about you too with giving back to the community and I enjoy that 'cause I give back to the community too. So I salute you.

Thank you. I salute you. I heard you do that as well. So I salute you as well.

Yes.

So what inspired you to actually find and reach out to one of my producers?

I reached out because it's been a long journey. I'm a survivor of human trafficking. So I found out a lot of things as far as me being adopted I wasn't supposed to know. And I wanna just kind of close that chapter and just start something new for my daughter and my granddaughters, know where we come from.

Got it. So first of all, thank you for being vulnerable and talking about being human trafficked. I can only imagine what that was like for you. Can you share a little bit of what that story was?

I was kidnapped at the age of 14 and a half, human trafficked for at least 3 years, back and forth, state to state. And I just keep pushing and keep my head up.

Amen.

And I keep my awareness. I advocate in the streets to my friends. Yeah. I go around in the neighborhood. If I see prostitutes, I give them condoms, wipes, things that they need to protect theyself and just be out there and I just talk.

Amen. Thank you for working that hard. Yes, sir.

Thank you. Yeah.

And how did you find out you were adopted?

On Facebook. A young lady messaged me and she asked me if I was adopted. My middle name is Omeka. So when she Googled Old Mecca, I came up. And long story short, I asked my father if I was adopted. He told me we didn't have the same blood. And here I am.

Wow. So tell me about your adoptive father.

He's a good man. He's the best father ever. I love my dad and I miss my dad. He just told me, he just taught me love. Always remember where you come from. "Don't forget where you come from, keep your head up." Yeah. So yeah.

And he passed recently?

Yeah, he passed 9 months before he told me I was adopted.

Oh, I'm sorry. Here you go, my love.

Oh, thank you.

You're welcome.

So yeah.

And you reached out to the adoption agency after he told you that?

Yes.

So that, I wanna go back a little bit actually. 'Cause that had to have been a shock because here you are, you're thinking you're my biological father and then he says 9 months later, 9 months before he passes, I may not be or I'm not.

Yes, he's not.

Yeah.

So he disclosed the adoption agency. I contacted the adoption agency. I registered myself with New York State Health Department to see if anybody was registered.

When you reached out to the agency, what did they say to you?

They didn't have that much information. My mother was 35 when she had me. The adoption was finalized in '85. I was born in Brooklyn. Religion was Muslim and that was it.

Your birthday November 2nd?

Yes, sir. Hey, mother. Hey, oh hey, we got turnout. What's up?

You joined the private home of a foster family. On September 23rd, 1985, you joined the home of your adoptive parents. Parent, we are not in possession of any more information pertaining to your adoption. Wow, okay.

Yeah.

Interesting. So prior to your father telling you, did you have any suspicion you were adopted?

I don't know, I just felt like a missing piece. I always got teased. My father's Italian and Sicilian, my mom is Black, so I always got teased when I was little.

Mm-hmm.

But—

So you always felt like you were something a little different?

Yes, always felt lost.

And what did you do next? To find your biological family after you got this information?

I did the Ancestry DNA.

And what did you find about your family on the online search?

I have 9 sisters, a brother. My mother passed away 2015, and one of my sisters, supposedly one of my sisters have the same mother and father.

Wow. And all of that came back from Ancestry, but none of it, you don't know who any of these people are? No. Wow.

I like facts, I like paperwork.

Yes, of course. I see you like the paperwork. You do the paper trail.

I don't lie. Yes, sir.

So have you met any of your siblings?

I've met my sisters.

Yes.

Yes, sir.

I've met them. Okay. And how was that like?

It was interesting.

Yeah.

But then like I said, they're still strangers to me. So no disrespect to them, but they're still strangers.

Yeah. So you learned something significant about one of your potential siblings, Ayesha. What was it?

That we may have that same mom, same birth father, supposedly.

Wow. So potentially this could be your full sister.

Yes.

Not just a half.

Yes, my full sister.

How do you know Iasia?

I know of her from the stories, pictures, and we look alike.

Have you met your biological mother yet?

She passed away 2015. I didn't get a chance to meet her.

Okay then. And what do you know about your biological mother and father?

I know my mother was addicted to drugs. I was born addicted to drugs. She just was respected. She was in the health field. I don't know nothing about the birth father besides his first name.

Everyone, please welcome Iyasia to the show. This is amazing.

This is— She look like me.

Is this the best person?

Yes.

The best person?

Yes, sir.

Hi, Iyasia. Welcome to the show.

I'm fine. How are you?

Thank you for being here. How are you doing today?

Nervous, but okay.

You nervous?

Yeah.

It's all right. Your sister's been here to the show before. I can tell you, this is a loving place. So Ayesha, I heard a lot about your sister's story. Were you in foster care?

Yeah, I was adopted when I was 2 weeks old.

2 weeks old. Okay. And what was your life like?

I would say it was pretty good, but I still wanted to know my siblings. My foster mother told me she did not want me to really meet my birth parents.

Oh, she didn't? Why was that?

Because all the drugs, activities going on and everything.

Got it.

'Cause I thought my foster family, like my foster sister was my real mother. I kept calling her mother.

Okay, and when did you find out she wasn't your mother?

When my foster mother told me, "No, that's your foster sister, it's not your mother." And when did you first learn about Elizabeth? I never knew her until we was 12 years old and my foster sister told me that she was my sister. 2 weeks after that we started talking after that. I ain't see her no more.

Got it. Did you ever meet your biological mother before she passed?

I met her when I was 16, 17 years old. I wanted to know answers, but it's like no and yes. It's like I just wanted to go back to my foster people.

'Cause she wasn't giving you anything. Yeah. Was she still addicted to drugs at that point?

Mm-hmm.

Got it. Were you two the only ones that were put in foster care and adopted?

My other sister was adopted, the one I grew up with in the same foster home.

What would that mean to both of y'all to have a family family? Be awesome. Yeah.

Yeah.

What do you know about your biological father?

Nothing. The only thing I know is that he's Haitian.

And that he's Haitian? Mm-hmm. Okay then. This could be real big for y'all if y'all actually have the same mother and father because that would answer also so many questions about your genetics, about health, about so much. So you all ready for this DNA outcome?

Yeah. I'm ready. We can start a better relationship, stronger, get to know each other. Yeah. Do some, you know. We know each other, but we don't know each other.

Yeah. Got it. Well, here are the DNA outcomes. This will prove if you two are full sisters, if you share the same mother and father. Are you ready?

Yes, sir.

This is yours. If you could please read it out loud.

It says AJ my sister, girl. That's right.

You two do share The same mother and father? Same mother and father?

Same mother and father. Okay, I knew it.

You said you knew it?

I already knew it.

You already knew it? You said the same.

My siblings, but I already knew. Yeah, we already knew, but we had to do it. Yeah, I like paperwork. Excuse me. Yeah, it tells you everything.

Well, you have tears in your eyes. What the tears from?

I don't know, just happiness. I do too, but yeah. Happiness. It's more happiness and just, I'm just gonna still continue my journey to find my dad. Yeah, we are. You know, just still continuing that. I can't stop.

Yeah. Well, any support that I can give you in help finding your father, I got you. It's about what comes next to make sure the healing, because I could tell that you all already met, so there was already some healing that happened here, which I love. But as your tear dropped when you found that out and hearing you say you need your father, I know there's a big a big piece. There's a hole that's there. What would meeting your father mean to you?

I'm just more curious to why he wasn't a man and stepped up. 'Cause my father told me it don't matter what color you are, what race you are, what age you are, you be a man.

You step up.

Period. No excuses.

Y'all need to know from him, especially since your biological mother has passed. So would you two be okay with me helping you on this journey to find your biological father? And then also helping you to get the real healing you both need.

Yeah. Yes. We've been looking at forever.

Well, look, I say the three of us get on this journey.

Yeah.

You ready to start?

Yes.

All right, well, I'm happy that you two at least now know your biological mother and father are not a full sister.

Congratulations. And I appreciate your time and having me on the show.

Of course.

I'll be back.

Yeah, we about to figure out this journey together, girl.

Let's go. I'll be back. I'll be in somewhere, I don't know, but yeah. Yeah, we'll figure it out together.

Good luck, y'all.

Yes, thank you so much.

All right, you know, a lot of y'all have questions for me. So I'm going to take it to the comments, and we're going to do something that I like to call Q and K. So anybody in my audience got a question for me?

Hey, Karamo.

Hey, how y'all doing?

I'm Mariah. This is Messiah. We're sisters.

Y'all are beautiful.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

OK, so I have like— well, I want your opinion. You know, how would you feel if your dad's girlfriend or whatever the case doesn't want you around him or doesn't like when he's spending time with you or, you know, yeah, that's my dad.

Dad, you might as well, your daughters are here.

You know, so.

To be very honest with you, my solution is gonna be, it really means nothing about the girlfriend. It's all about your dad. And so since dad is here, the question is, is that if your girls feel uncomfortable about comments that your girlfriend is making, What are you doing about it? This right here is serious, Karamo. Okay, so what's going on? So you have a girlfriend? Yes. And she doesn't like you to spend time with your daughters? It's not really that.

Okay.

First it starts off with their mother. The reason why I'm not with their mother. Okay. I've been with their mother 20 years. So all the things that I done been through with her, Tore me down, tore me apart. Now they got me ready to cry up here. Made me move on. Yeah. You understand? So since it made me move on, I moved on to find, I guess, sanity. Okay. She pushed me away to find love somewhere else. Got it. Pushed me on to make me feel like somebody cared. And I gotta tell you, I'm happy that you have found that for yourself because I believe that for you as a man, you deserve to find someone who's gonna love you and value you. But at the same rate, as you found the love for yourself, it should never diminish the love that your daughters feel or that your daughters ever feel that someone is getting in between you and their relationship. And so as much as I respect and I appreciate you finding that, your daughters are saying that the woman you're with makes them feel as if they're not welcomed. So for you, though you have that love, what do you say to her when your daughters tell you this? I tell 'em, I tell her all the time, like, they're my daughters. But a long story short, my daughters looked at this person as they don't want me with her because I've been so long, all they know is their mother. You shaking your head, tell me.

No.

What's your thoughts?

That's wrong. The disrespect that his girlfriend brung upon from the beginning, you feel me?

This is a simple, my producer's saying mom's in the audience too. Mom, you, everybody, listen, everybody, let me show y'all how, let me tell y'all how messy my family in the audience is. Everybody's talking about this the mama right here, this the mama.

You see all the, why y'all? Hi, Mom.

Hi, Karamo. See, this is what we do here. Families come and we solve their family issues. So, Mom, so what's going on here?

It's a lot going on. However, that's my kid's father. I have 4 kids by this man. My oldest is 21. At the end of the day, we've been together for a long time. When what happened between me and him, it happened, it happened. My kids didn't, his girlfriend didn't respect them. She didn't respect me. And by that, my kids didn't respect her. But again, it starts with their father. He's the only one that can fix it and make them feel like they felt before.

I'm gonna ask you a question. Are you happy that he's found somebody?

I mean, I'm happy for him. If he's doing what he wanna do, that's fine. However, me and him not together. But if she showed respect and she was mature, then I would say, okay, that's fine. We can all get along. I try to get along. I try. I can tell you, I try all the time. But I get it, her disrespect, and by she be disrespectful, he allows it. And that's where everything break down at.

[Speaker:KARAMO] I get it. I'm gonna tell you this. The thing that I realized is that there's communication and language that needs to change on both parts. Dad, for you, the way that you communicate with your lady and with your daughters has to change. Because what happens is that everyone's looking for you to dictate how this is going. So if you don't communicate with your daughters and say, listen, I'm dating this person, This is who I am. It might last, it might not. Then of course they're gonna be like, well, I don't know who this chick is. And then they're also picking that energy up from mom a little bit. Because as much as you say, yes, I'm here, I'm gonna be respectful, mom, there is still a strong influence on how your daughters look at you and see how they react.

I agree, I agree.

And that's why I asked you, are you happy for him being in this relationship? Then I'm gonna say to you, dad, you gotta make sure that you're communicating them This is who I'm with. But then this third party, this third party, the minute she ever shows disrespect, you gotta shut it down. Because what's gonna happen is you're gonna end up losing the respect, not only of your daughters, but of a woman you're potentially growing with. And I don't want you to lose that because I do believe you deserve your happiness. What I appreciate is how y'all communicated right here. I mean, everybody came and was able to hear each other and was able to listen. That what this is is that this is this, Y'all already, I can see as a family, y'all have the safe space for that to happen. You just gotta practice it more. I mean, y'all, even though y'all had 20 years that turned out not to be the best, y'all are doing a pretty good job. For y'all to be sitting in my audience together as a family, for the daughters to be here, to respect both y'all enough, I give y'all y'all respect. Seriously, I gotta give y'all respect on that because some families couldn't even do this. Dad, you gotta take a lead in one way and Mom, you gotta take the lead in the other way. So next time another woman, if this woman comes, this woman has to be checked by you, Dad. So there's nothing that these three can do. This woman has to be told by you, there can be no disrespect. These are teen girls. Yes, they're gonna have to learn and you're gonna have to be clear with them. Don't be disrespectful. Mom's gotta be clear as well because I can show mom has taught them like if somebody step to you, you step back. I got it. So that's what mom's taught them. But in this moment right now, mom, you gotta say, listen, Listen, you gotta cut the mouth on this. If this is dad who respects, we gotta respect it. But she also has to lead that way. And that's gonna come from you, dad, all right? But going forward, if this woman doesn't last, whoever you get with, you gotta involve your daughters from the beginning and say, listen, this is who I'm talking to. These are grown women with smart minds, all right? And if you want them to feel like they're respected and they have a place in your life, you gotta include them and not wait till the end, all right? And then vice versa for you, mom. You gotta let them know we happy no matter what. So even if the woman come in and we don't really like her, it don't matter. We happy for dad. And that's how the communication has to change. All right? I wish y'all the best of luck. All right everyone, thank you for being with us. Make sure to come back next time, friends, so we can keep talking and we can keep growing. I love you all. What do you have to say about what you heard? You think it's all? Phones don't lie. Phones don't lie. iPhones don't lie. My homegirl. I work with her.

What about my homegirl?

So this is one of her friends that you said that where the stand came from? Is that what you're saying?

No, no, no, no, no.

So what are you talking about? 'Cause you said you're her homegirl. No, she's saying about the girl texting. That's a girl I work with. Oh, so that's just different. Yeah, I never messed with her, man. She says you like to vanish and be gone for days at a time. I was at my mother's house. Okay, is that true? No. 'Cause when I do try to call him, I don't know when I do call him. She live in Chesapeake, I live in Baltimore. You try to hurry up and rush me. So I go to my mother's house, I go over there, be over there, man.

He'll try to hurry up and rush me off the phone and I'll try to tell him I love you just to see where you at. He don't even wanna say I love you back. He'll hurry up, try to hang up the phone.

I do say that. What you talking about? That be you.

Hee hee ha ha. He'll laugh.

Bootleg phone.

What you talking about? No, it ain't my bootleg phone.

It's your bootleg phone.

'Cause when I call answering, he not answering. So what you mean?

I do. I do. Female delusional, man. So she said she found a hotel key in your back pocket. That's my brother. Were you meeting up with women at a hotel? No, that's my brother. My brother came back from Vegas. Why do you think this is BS? 'Cause she doing the same thing. I ain't say I'm doing nothing, but she doing it. She the one who, she ain't going through the bathroom. So you know what that's called? That's called a Freudian slip. Listen. Your subconscious just came out. No, no. You said she doing the same thing. Yeah, I'm talking about what she's speaking on, she's actually doing it as herself. Okay. That's why. So you think she's cheating? Yeah, she is. I know she is. Okay. We came here and she, a dude calling her on Facebook. What are you calling for?

Why?

Why are you talking to anybody?

I don't respond back to it though.

Yeah, I got it. Okay. Ashley, you brought a video of a t-shirt Supreme was wearing and you want me to see it. At home audience, we're actually gonna have to blur what is on the t-shirt, but everyone here in the studio, you're gonna get to see it. So let's take a look at this.

So here's the shirt that I was talking about. Oh yes, y'all. Y'all cannot tell me that that ain't no sexual statement. Trying to say that is sexual stains. He's trying to say it's deodorant way down there. That's not no deodorant. Let's be real. Let's be real.

Listen, listen, listen, listen, listen. Every man know, right? When you take your shirt off, every man know you come from the gym, you take your shirt off, you got deodorant stains.

No, that's you.

All right, come on, man. All right, I don't know. What do y'all think?

I think he a liar.

If you think that that was deodorant, raise your hand. If you think that was something sexual, raise your hand. You got all females, of course they gonna say that. There's a male right here, what you think? What you think? The male, hold on, the male right here, he raised his hand. Well listen, the thing was is that you wanted Ashley to unlock her phone as well, so she turned over her cell phone to our investigator. So Supreme, if the results come back that Ashley has done any of those things or is cheating, what will you do? I'm gonna walk off this stage and get the fuck on. Go back to Virginia. It's over with. Okay. It's a video message from your sister Supreme, Shamika. Let's take a look at what she has to say.

Hey Karamo, my name is Shamika. I'm Supreme's sister. Ashley, I'm going to tell you the truth since Supreme won't. Supreme has been seeing another woman for over 3 years, longer than you guys have been together. He's been running back and forth between you and the other woman and telling you he wants to marry you, but also telling her the same thing. As a sister, I feel responsible to let you know what's been going on. Supreme, you know better than this because you grew up in a household with 5 sisters, and you should know how to treat a woman better.

I do, I do though. So Supreme, no you don't. So Supreme, that is your Your own sister saying that you cheated. Yeah, she just making up shit. She gonna ever listen. She gonna do that anyway. Okay, well Supreme Sister Shamika is here in the audience. Shamika, can you stand up for me?

Hey girl.

She got the ball on my court. Shamika, Supreme is saying you're lying.

Yeah, he's lying.

He's lying.

He's definitely lying.

He's lying.

Yeah, he's lying.

Because what would you have to gain by not—

Nothing, I have nothing to gain, but I'm a woman first.

Yeah.

And he's wrong.

That's why you gotta get her, 'cause she's a woman, of course.

He's been doing this since he's been young, so I've been around him, I'm the oldest.

This is behavior. No, so have you told Ashley this before?

I tried to tell her to leave him alone, but—

Has she tried to tell you to leave him alone?

She did, but—

And so why you didn't take her advice? If somebody's sister come and she says— 'Cause she don't got facts, that's why.

God, he has facts, and I just kinda had to learn for myself. I can see on my own.

Got it, got it, got it. Okay, so how do you feel about the fact that you said your brother's been doing this to women all his life?

I wanna choke him up, but I can't do that.

Oh yes, I haven't, she lying. Don't fuck your chances up. Do you believe her? Do you believe his sister?

Yes, I do.

How do you believe her?

I don't feel like she would lie to me. She will lie to you. I don't feel like she would lie to me. I don't feel like she has no reason to lie.

Yes, she do.

No.

She trying to fuck my situation up.

Nah.

He's gonna fuck it up anyway when he come back to this whole situation.

Yeah, you right. You right.

It is what it is.

Let's see the phone.

Well, listen, the thing is, is that, thank you, he's denying what you said, but I appreciate you telling me your side of this. Well, listen, I think it's time now to unlock the phone.

It is. Let's unlock that phone. Let's see what he been doing this whole time.

All right, Ashley, let's start with you.

Okay, why don't you start with me first?

We unlocked your phone. And what y'all find? Let's go, 'cause it's over. You don't gotta look at my job. Here we go. All right, first Supreme, you wanna know if Ashley has been communicating with any other men. Ashley says she has not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her phone and found that she is telling the truth. Supreme, you wanna know if Ashley has been communicating with a specific man. Ashley says she has not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her apps and found that she is Telling the truth.

I told you I'm telling the truth. You think I'm lying to you? I told you I was telling the truth. Girl, chill out.

We got one more, man. Supreme, you wanna know if Ashley has been sending any explicit photos to other men. No. Ashley says she did not. My Unlock the Phone investigators searched her DMs, those that she has deleted and those that are present, and found that she is telling the truth.

I told y'all. I really love him. I have no reason to lie to him.

So we went through her phone, we searched deleted and those, and she has not been talking to anybody. She's not doing anything. How do you feel about that? Man, I feel good. You have a woman here who's been faithful to you, who's been loving you. I love that.

I do love you.

I love you too. We don't even gotta do my junk, man.

Yes we do. We gonna do this today.

We gonna find out the truth today. Supreme, come on, I'm good. We unlocked your phone. Let's go. Let's go. Ashley, you wanna know Supreme has been on any dating apps? Supreme says he's not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched his apps and found that he is telling the truth. Why am I going dating apps for? Look at me, man. Come on, man.

Okay, you still got more questions.

Ashley, you wanna know Supreme went to a specific hotel? Supreme says he has not been to that hotel. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched his GPS and found that he is telling the truth. Told y'all, man. See, y'all doubting me. Y'all crazy, man. Wow.

One more question.

Uh-huh. Ashley, you wanna know Supreme is still communicating with a specific woman. There was a specific woman you want to know. Supreme says he is not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched his phone and found that he is not telling the truth.

It's over with, it's done, you a liar.

Our investigator found photos of Supreme embracing that specific woman as recently as a couple weeks ago. The investigator also found photos of Supreme embracing and kissing other women. Can I have the evidence bag? These are all recent photos of him with other women.

It's over with, it's done.

Thank you so much.

It's completely done. Oh yeah, it's done, it's over with.

Let me see these photos. I gotta see these photos myself. So here you go.

Oh yeah, it's done and over with because that's the same shit he lied about. He's a liar. Yeah, it's done. It's over with, it's over with, and I mean that. It's definitely over with. It's over with. Yeah, it's over with. Yeah, it's done, it's done.

You got a smile on your face.

It's over with, it's done.

It's over with.

That's not it.

You're a liar. You can't gaslight me. Your sister has confirmed it. Your sister has confirmed it. Am I unlocked the phone? Investigator has confirmed it. You have been cheating on her consistently. I mean, that ain't basically cheating. You have been cheating on her consistently.

That's why I'm ready to, like for real.

It's not though. No, I don't wanna hear it.

No, I'm dead ass serious.

No, it's done.

You're a liar. You're a liar. You're a liar.

You're a liar. I never messed with her.

And to be honest, that one, that picture that you just showed me of the one he kissed the girl, that was the same person that I was trying to fight with.

No, I played a trick on you.

No, it's not.

No, that's not the same girl.

Yes, it is. No, it's not. You're not gonna tell me any different. Yes, it is.

I'm telling you it's not.

I'm telling you it is.

No, it's not. I'm gonna be real with you 'cause you and I, I got 4 older sisters, you got 5 sisters. How can you treat women like this and be disrespectful? You were raised in the same house. One of the reasons, and I get criticized by this all the time online, they like, You always take the woman's side. You're damn right. I grew up in a house where I understand the pain that women constantly feel and go through, and I'm always gonna stand up for women. And I know you understand that because you said you've been there with your sisters when they have gone through stuff. So why would you wanna do this to anybody else's sister? Why would you wanna do this to—

No, it's not no old.

It's not no old.

It don't matter. It's not no old. I'm done. It's over with.

It's over with. Listen, if you gonna try to gaslight her and not have a real conversation, real conversation and not at least try to acknowledge what you've done bad. It's been out there now, so you might as well own it. Your sister's already said it, we've already seen it. There's nothing old about this. I can't own up to that. That's old pictures, man. Before the time, it was before. So the sad part about this, Supreme, is that the fact that you can't own up to this is supremely disappointing. Why did you two separate? Why did he throw you out?

Well, we're still together, but we're not living together anymore.

Okay, why? What happened?

Because And he's just sitting here accusing me of cheating on him and of me not doing what I'm supposed to be doing. And I don't know what else to do. Like, I don't know what else to say, what to do to prove to him that there's nobody else. Has there been anybody else but him?

I gotta ask you directly, are you cheating?

No.

Okay, not cheating at all?

No.

And when was the last time you two were intimate?

Last night.

Last night.

He was in, yeah, he was in my hotel room.

Okay. I saw that smile, so you like a little bit this toxic behavior.

He does.

You can say he does. Yeah, he does. He likes a little bit of toxic. Listen, I can pick up on people's characteristics, body energy, body language all the time. And I saw when she said that, you started smiling. So when things are a little messy, you enjoy it a little bit. I mean, it's exciting, I guess.

Yeah. Okay. I just don't get it. Okay, so he sort of tells me that he loves me, wants to be with me, but at the same time he's accusing me of this. If he's sitting here accusing me, then why do you sit here and tell me you love me and you want and you care about me so much? Like, why don't you just leave me? Like, I—

Well, that's the truth. So why are you?

Because I do love her. I do care for her. I do wanna build a future with her. So then why do you accuse me of cheating on you and doing all this stuff with this? You know what, Karamo? Like, can you just unlock my phone? Prove to him that I ain't cheating on him.

Let's get to it. Let's unlock the phone.

Check your phone.

All right, so Brandon wants to know if Regina has been communicating with any other men. She says she's not. My unlock the phone investigators searched her texts and found that she is telling the truth. Brandon, you want to know if Regina was direct messaging with other men. Regina says she's not. She's telling the truth. Brandon, you want to know if Regina has been sending or receiving money from other men. She says she's not. My Unlock the Phone investigators searched her apps and found she is telling the truth. Now what, Brandon? Hold on, I'm just getting some information right now that my producers are telling me that you control her phone?

He does. When he's mad at me, he turns off my phone and then I have to beg for him to turn it back on.

Hold on, so do you control her phone? So we share an account, yes.

Yes, we share an account.

So you share an account with her? Mm-hmm. So you have access to her phone already? Yeah. So why do you have me unlock it?

No, you're right, you're right.

And I could, and I could very well go through and look through her text messages if I really, really, really, really wanted to.

So why don't you? So the kids say—

I just, I don't know. Like there's just, there's a line, you know, where I feel like a creep and where, you know what I mean? Like— I'm sorry, my producers are communicating communicating with right now, and they're telling me you turned her phone on so she could even talk to my producers? Yeah. What's going on there? Well, look, man, so I pay almost $300 a month for this phone bill, and I'm old school.

I don't mind taking care of my lady and all that as long as she's holding down the fort and doing everything that she's supposed to do. What's crazy is I wake up at 4 in the morning, I make him hot lunch every day. I make sure the house is cleaned and that's why I don't know, I don't know what else to do.

Regina, do you trust him?

No.

No, no.

Because—

No, you smiling again.

Because—

You smiling again.

Because when we fight and we—

What you smiling about, Brandon? What you smiling about?

Because when we fight and we argue, he thinks it's okay to go hit up other girls on social media and kick it with them and talk to them and because we're fighting. But have I ever done that to him? No, because I, my, So are you talking to other women on social media?

No. No. Okay. Okay. Do you think that he's cheating on you?

Yeah, I do.

You do? Okay. With who?

His ex-girlfriend.

You think he's cheating on you with his ex-girlfriend?

His ex-fiancée.

With his ex-fiancée. Why do you think that?

Because I've seen his truck outside parked outside her apartment one time. All the time.

Wow. Is this true? Have you been still communicating with your ex?

Do you know how many white Dodge Rams there are? No, I know exactly what yours looks like, so be quiet.

Uh-huh, okay. So you're saying you don't go and hang out with your ex? No.

You're lying.

And has this been an issue since day one, since y'all been together for this year?

August is when I've noticed that. The accuser is the one who's doing it, so.

I asked you already, but I wanna be clear. Do you still communicate with your ex? No. Not at all, not at all. Okay then. So you're, so, oh, well I'm getting a ping. They're telling me the ping is from your ex-fiancée, Leticia sent us a message. Okay, let's hear what she has to say.

Hey, my name is Leticia. I'm just calling to kind of give you guys the tea on what's going on. Brandon and I were engaged last year, didn't work out. We did end up getting back together a couple weeks ago. And trying to work our own things. And just so Regina knows, she was the bandaid the whole time. He was still seeing me while being with her. He never gave a flying fuck about her. And I just need her to back up and stay away.

So she's saying that you two are still in communication and that you hooked up. How long ago did she just say? I couldn't hear it. Okay, listen, this is why I love y'all. Y'all got the facts with me. It's been like 2 weeks. Appreciate y'all. 2 weeks. Regina, what's your thoughts on that?

He could keep her. He could have her.

Yeah.

I'm done.

Brandon, is any of this true? Is any of this true? Is any of this true?

You know, after we split up, yeah, I talked to her.

I talked to her. I ain't gonna lie. After we separated. Okay, so you have talked to her? Yeah. Okay. But not when we were together. Not when we were together. I know, I can see your heart is broken right now.

It's crazy 'cause he sat here accusing me of doing it. I'm done, Brandon. I am so done.

Hold on, so Regina, we did unlock his phone. It is time to unlock your phone. Are you ready for this? Let's go. Regina, you want to know if he was on any dating apps. Brandon told us that he is not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched his apps and found that he is telling the truth. He is not on dating apps. Regina, you want to know if he was communicating with his ex-fiancée, the one who we just saw on that ping, when you were in jail in October. Brandon says he is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched his calls and found that he is not telling the truth. We found 193 calls between Brandon and someone named Wishy Washy. So my investigator cross-referenced the number, his ex-fiancée, and the number with Wishy Washy, and it is the same person. And they have been communicating from October all the way up until yesterday when you two were together. Regina, you want to know if Brandon is meeting up with his ex-fiancée. Brandon says he's not. And my Unlock the Phone investigator searched his GPS and found that he is not telling the truth. Brandon was pinged 36 times at his ex-fiancée's address. And also there was photos hanged from inside of her home. Brennan, why did you want Regina to prove her loyalty when you clearly were the one that was shooting? What was your point today? You know, I guess I don't know. I don't know the point. If you knew you were trying to have this wishy-washy relationship, this is what you labeled the woman in your phone, wishy-washy. Which means wishy-washy means you're going back and forth, back and forth. If you knew you wanted to go back and forth with this woman, why involve her and her children?

You know, that wasn't my intentions. That wasn't my intentions.

Let me tell you something. I teach on this show a million times, intention versus impact. Might not have been your intentions, but the impact is I see a woman here who's affected deeply by this and whose children have now had to spend a year looking at you as potentially as a father figure who are now who gonna have to grieve you not being in their lives because you disrespected their mother. Regina, what do you wanna say?

What do you wanna say to him? Nothing.

Are you gonna have the courage to leave him?

Yeah.

Do you wanna apologize to her before she leaves you? Yeah, I do. What do you wanna say?

I never meant for any of this to happen.

This wasn't my intentions, you know? Okay, I'm gonna just, I'm gonna ask you to do this for me because she deserves better than that. Don't say I didn't mean to. Don't say I didn't mean to because when you did, every time you picked up the phone, you picked up the call 109 times and called that woman, you meant to. Every time you took 36 photos of that woman's house, you meant to. So don't say I didn't mean to. You meant to. You might not have meant to got caught, but you meant to. So give her an apology that's genuine. I'm sorry that I hurt you. You know damn well I'm sorry. I never meant to hurt you. Things got messed up. Things got lost in translation. However you wanna look at it, you know, we both gotta take responsibility for our actions here.

It doesn't matter. If you fucking loved me and you cared about me, Brandon, you would've never went back to her. Regardless if we would've fought and argued, you would've never called her up. I don't care about her. You don't mean you don't care about her.

I promise you I don't care about her. You can't trust this at all. No. Because if a man's gonna be intimate with you while also communicating with another woman, his motives are never to be trusted, okay? Listen, I'm sorry and I wish you the best of luck and I wish you I wish you all the strength you have in you to make a better decision for yourself and for your children. And I hope you do relieve this. And sir? Good day. Don't do it no more. Don't do it. If anybody out there think that it's okay for their girlfriend, any man anyway, to go to the bar by herself, you're wrong. No, no, no, no.

No, first of all, your woman is working hard.

There's no reason.

She has multiple hustles.

It still ain't no reason.

Okay. And she's going out once, maybe every 2 months or something like that. You call that a problem?

Yeah, listen, I'm only saying that because I'm only saying that, Karamo, because I was the guy, okay, in the bars.

In the parking lot.

Me and my guys, we got it down to a science.

Just 'cause y'all was hoes, I gotta go out.

We stopped going to the bars and just went right before they closed and catch 'em as they coming out the door. And I wasn't trying to be with nobody else. Well, she just said something that's real and you didn't answer that. She said just because you She was a hoe, she ought to be labeled a hoe. No, but it keeps me, it keeps my eyes open. So you told my producers that Avianca and her friends are like the City Girls. Now don't come for the City Girls, okay? She told me her friend was like that out in the bars. She don't never go with none of her friends to no restaurants.

Going to a bar is the same thing.

They don't go shopping, they always in the bar, man. What is the purpose of going to the bar?

That's her purpose.

To socialize. To socialize? What can you do at the bar you can't do at home? Turn up. Okay, somebody said turn up. But like, well sometimes people just wanna not be in their house and be able to go out. What's the core of it?

The core of it is to be with my girlfriends, to chill with them, to have me drink after I've been at work all day.

So we have a beautiful pic of you. Is this how you go to the bar? Look, I ain't even got that in my phone. You look gorgeous.

Thank you.

Yes, she look gorgeous.

Jeans and a t-shirt.

I'm just saying there's no reason to go to no bars if you're in a relationship because when I was going to the bars, It was just for that one sole purpose. I'm just saying, look, I brought it up to her before. Look, we can just be cool. We don't have to be in a relationship, you know what I'm saying? But—

Yeah, he wanna still be cool and still come over and still get all the benefits. Like, no.

Like— Okay. Listen, in the video we just watched, you said if Avionca was faithful to you, you would dedicate yourself to her. For sure though, yeah, I'd cut it off. I'd cut all my road running and my, you know, I can cut all that stuff off. So when you say road running— And I know y'all saying, listen— So are you going out there cheating? Are you doing stuff? No, I'm not cheating. But what I will say, I'm a chess playing man, okay? Yeah, cheating. And listen, I apply everything in chess to life, okay? So I know I can't control her, but the only thing I can control is how I counter. Got it. All right, listen, well, I know that my audience has a lot of comments on what y'all just heard. Y'all got something to say? All right, let's take it to the comments. All right, what's your name?

Hi, I'm Rachel.

Hey Rachel, so what's your comment?

I just gotta say, man, like, this is all on you. You know, like, if you can't trust her, you're gonna be alone forever.

Yeah, that's what it is. I was cool with being alone.

Okay, then why are you saying you're gonna commit to her?

Because she said—

If you actually love her, then you trust her.

So, but you know, one of the main things is trust issues. Yeah, I said that though. They're deep. So why, if you have these trust issues, Why would you commit? You just said, "I was happy to be alone." Because if I'm gonna commit, it gotta be to somebody that, you know what I mean, like, is a unicorn, like I said, that ain't cheating, man.

All right, whatever.

What she got here today?

Hello, hi.

Hi.

Hi, I'm Bianca. Nice to meet you. Do you have any concrete proof besides your own suspicions?

No, all I got is my experience.

Yeah, exactly, but it's not with her.

It's not with her.

But it's not with her, so then why are you putting it on her?

Can I ask you a question?

But if she had her— No, you can't. But if she had, but if she had.

You asking me why? 'Cause I'm not gonna answer it. But I can.

No.

I'm not gonna answer it.

But the thing is, if she were to say.

I'm not gonna answer it.

Let me finish. If she were to say.

I'm not gonna answer it.

Okay, okay, you're not gonna, but I'm still gonna ask.

If she were.

You gonna let me talk? Thank you.

Why, 'cause of Karamo?

No, because I'm talking, that's it. I'm not your girl, so you're not gonna disrespect me.

Who are you?

I'm Bianca, like I said. Well, who are you?

Bianca, I don't wanna talk to you.

Who are you?

You don't have to talk to me, but you're gonna listen because he gave me the mic.

I wasn't finished speaking. Did I say I was?

So you gonna answer my question after you finish?

Yeah, I could. Okay, I'm listening.

I'm listening.

You're holding your past or whatever against her. Say if she was dating somebody else, she's dealing with her hurt and everything like that. Say she's like, okay, well, this guy slept with my best friend, this guy did this, whatever. So you must be doing it too because I felt that.

If you said that she says those same things, do you feel it's fair to you? 'Cause you're a man with a conscience. If I know it's not true, I'd just be like, man, that's crazy. 'Cause that's not true. I feel like it's fair for people to learn from their past experiences and not make the same stupid mistakes.

Okay, learn from it, but don't treat somebody else's trust. You feel that that's fair? We'll see, yeah, we'll see.

You wouldn't wanna hear no? Nah. I understand that you've been hurt. I do, I get it. Hey look, this ain't even about me in the sense of— Say you want, this is about you because you're the one that has trust issues. You're the one that's been hurting. Yeah, yeah, I'm the one who went through all the, and I took a vow like I ain't doing that again. I get it. I'll dip before I let something like that happen. You are amazing, Avey, I swear. But I'm not gonna get played with. No more.

I never tried to play with you and I tried to show you that I was great.

That's all it be. That's all it is for me.

But I still got all of that no matter what I did.

Yeah. That's all it is for me.

Okay.

It ain't nothing else. It is time to unlock their phones. All right, so. Hey Bianca, I'm gonna start because we're gonna unlock his phone, Antonio's phone first. Well, I'm gonna be quick with yours because the only thing I already know about your phone, the only thing that we found in your phone was these conversations with the woman. I didn't find anything suspicious in apps. I didn't find any suspicious photos, but we did find the conversations between you and this young woman. But there has been no recent conversations. And I also was searching for sexual stuff, which I was gonna see if you was gonna admit to something, but I didn't see they had sex. It was exactly, I think, what you already found out. Exactly. Did you find out something else? With applause.

So I can send a good morning hello, but he can get an ass pic sent to him? No.

All right, so. Let's get to that one. Now we have your phone that we unlocked there, Bianca.

Mm-hmm.

Bianca, I wanna, Antonio, what I wanna know, what do you think we're gonna find in this? Something, 'cause you did hers second. That's why? Yeah. You think because I did hers second, you think we're gonna find something? For sure. Okay. Well, listen, I unlocked your phone and I did the same search that we did on his phone as well. And I'm gonna tell you that when going through apps, texts, photos, going through locations, there was not a single thing.

Come on now. Talk about it. Talk about it. Come on. Talk about it. Come on.

0, 0, 0.

Thank you very much.

Okay.

0, 0, 0.

0 was found. Talk about it.

So nothing else in there. Look, still looking for stuff.

Nothing. Like. Damn.

Damn.

Nothing. I do want to apologize. Let me apologize. That's crazy. Appreciate that, man. No worries. But you're not going to appreciate what I'm going to say next. I'm going to tell you. This is not— Can I say something first? No, you already said it. This ain't a healthy relationship.

Come on now. I've been saying that.

There is nothing that will happen in this relationship except for you being in a toxic relationship because he has to heal. I'm not telling you that you're gonna need to leave today. That has to be a decision. My advice to you would be that you need to separate from this relationship because if you said you have not been in a past relationship that was unhealthy, don't get yourself in one now. And it's only been 9 months y'all been together? 9 months. And even prior to that, he had ghosted you, went to California, whatever the reasons may be, this is unhealthy and you don't deserve this unhealthy relationship. But at the same rate, brother, I will tell you, you deserve to heal. Because what it is, is that I saw how you interacted with this woman. I saw how you interacted with Bianca. I see your interaction with women. And the way that you react with women is from a place of hurt. And you are deeply hurt.

Okay.

No, I'm gonna ask, you know, in all sincerity, how many women have hurt you? Good 5. Yeah, good 5. Yeah. That's a lot. Just one is a lot. Can't have 6. Yeah, I get it. And that's the reason why I've been dealing with this. I know, but that's not your job. I have a show, I'm trained in this. I'll be sensitive for him. You can't be in a space where you keep getting yourself sucked into this. I get it's your friend. What you crying about right now? Tell me what's happening.

I love him, he knows that.

I love this girl too. Like I'm not here to hurt her.

But he did something wrong. I didn't.

I know, I know, I get it. I get it, I get it, I get it, I get it. Besides, listen, hey, besides, listen, besides all that, his friend. But you can't be his friend and support him from a distance. You can, if that's, I'm just saying, you know how I am, man. Like, you know how I am. I'm not gonna change 'cause we here or none of that. Hold on, but see what I wanna do, and this is the hope I want, hold on, I want hope because, well, it can seem like a red flag. And we've already seen all his red flags. He put 'em out there. But I do believe this for you. I actually do believe that there's a space in you to grow. I do believe it. And I believe that this woman, the reason she says she loves you so much that she's crying is because there is a piece of you that has to be a good man.

He is, like, he's not bad at all. It's just all the stuff that he's been through, he's projected it on me. And it's like, I did not go into the relationship with any of that. You know, like I've been hurt before too. Like, yeah.

All right. You can change though. I am going to, I guess. I mean, you ain't find nothing. Obviously I'm wrong. Yeah. Listen, would you have to just change?

No, I don't need no guess though.

Like I said, I really can't go off with no guess. There's no, well, you already know. You already know. I wanted to say the same thing I'd say to a female guest. You did not deserve You did not deserve to be cheated on. You did not deserve to be cheated on. Point blank. But the problem is, is that until you heal these past trust issues, until you deal with the core, y'all are gonna run into this issue again because it's gonna be one thing you do where you're too late or you talk to somebody too much and it's gonna trigger his emotions. Until you heal, and this is what it comes down to in a relationship, if both people come in healed, that's when you see a healthy relationship. When you see somebody who's not healed and the other person trying to say, let me fix you, I'm gonna fix you, it ain't ever gonna work. Yeah, all right. And that's what you're doing right now. You said, I know you're not healed, but I love you so much, I'm gonna fix you, I'm gonna fix you. But he gotta fix himself. For sure. He gotta fix himself. And you can be his friend and love him from a distance. And if you really want help to fix yourself, I can give you the resources to figure out how to trust again. Okay. When he's ready, that's when you say, okay, we can try this again. But not a minute before, all right? And I'mma got you. I'mma give you some stuff so you can get over this, all right? I appreciate it. 'Cause I feel like if we can get you back to that place, ooh, you gonna be a good guy. But right now it is clouded and red flags. I am a good guy.

I'm a good guy.