Why Are There Scratches On Your Back? | KARAMO

Tell me about these scratches that keep popping up on your man's back.

Okay, so yeah, he be coming, okay, he's a landscaper, so he work like landscaping or whatever. So I understand you gonna have scratches or whatever, but he be having scratches like right here, right here, and then on his back right here. Like where them scratches coming from? I know you cutting grass, but not getting scratches like that. No, you not.

Got it, got it. Does he leave out late at night?

Yes, he do.

All the time?

Not all the time, but sometimes he do, yes.

But where is he saying he's going?

Going out with friends.

Okay. How long y'all been together? Let me just get a little background for me.

We've been together for 7, 8 years.

7, 8 years. Okay, got it. But he's older than you. He's 52?

Yes, he is.

Okay. So has that age gap caused any misunderstandings in between y'all?

Sometimes I do, 'cause I feel like, 'cause I'm young and he's older than me, he try to have me 'cause of my age.

Uh-huh. Do you feel like he trying to control you sometimes?

Sometimes, yes, he do.

Sometimes? Okay.

Okay.

Do you feel like he's hiding because of your age?

Yes, I do.

He's hiding you?

Yes, I do, 'cause we don't do nothing really together. Like we don't go out in public a lot together. We don't do relationship, couple things that relationship, that what you do in relationship. We don't go out on dates. We don't go, we don't do none of that.

So you just stay at the house?

Yeah, I go to work and go home.

Does he accuse you of cheating?

Yes, he do.

Okay, all the time?

Yes, he do. He say that's why he felt like I always accuse him because I'm the one cheating.

Ah.

Are you cheating?

I cheated on him once before.

Okay.

Hold on, where y'all get toxic cheering for cheating? I thought we had a better relationship than that. I didn't know we was cheering for cheating.

Oh, okay, okay, okay.

It get times to the point sometimes when I call his phone, like when he, I guess he might be out doing something, he don't want me to know, I'll call his phone, he don't answer. I shoot him a text, he don't answer. Like, I know you see me calling and text you, why you not answering right now? You wanna wait hours then?

So you like, you know what, I'm done with this. So if you wanna do this and play these games, then I'm gonna play these games. Yeah. But my question would be then, my question would be, why not leave?

'Cause I do love him.

Because you love him.

I do. And I've been with him for, like I said, 7, 8 years since I was 18 going on 19. I'm finna be 27.

Yeah, okay then. Okay, why doesn't he wanna get married?

He say, "I'm not ready." He says you're not ready? 'Cause I didn't ask him like, "If I was to propose to you, would you say yes?" He told me he'll say no 'cause I'm not ready.

'Cause you're not ready. And how is he, what is the barometer he's using to say you're ready or not ready? He just say, "You're not ready, you're not ready." And what will happen if you find something on his phone today?

I don't know, I wanna say I'mma leave. But then I just don't wanna walk away from 7, 8 years. Like I've been with him for so long. Like.

Okay, okay. Well listen, you told my unlock the phone investigators that you wanna know if Edward is texting any other women.

Yes.

If he is contacting women on social media and if Edward is sending explicit photos to women.

Yes.

Well, I think it's time to hear Edward's side of this story. So everyone please welcome Edward to the show.

Edward. Now you know, now you know why would you do that? You know I ain't doing all that you saying.

Now you come on now.

That's why we have to figure it out.

Figure it out. Right, exactly. How you doing?

How you doing?

I'm Karamo. Nice to meet you.

Yeah, thank you for being here. So how do you feel about what was just said? 'Cause I just heard you say you think she's lying about some of this stuff. It's not the truth?

Yeah, I'm not cheating on her. I did in the past, but I'm not.

Okay then. Not at all.

So once a cheater, always a cheater.

Well, you a cheater.

I cheated once.

So once a cheater, always a cheater. No, I'm not. So that's the case. But no, I'm not cheating.

So my producers told me that she smells something to catch you cheating. What is that?

No, well, she smell my clothes and stuff.

She smell your clothes?

But I work in the field, so I'm gonna be dirty, smelly, and—

So what are you checking for, like perfume?

Yeah, female scent, anything.

And you don't smell no perfume? You smell woods.

No, not at all.

You smell grass when I come in.

So I get why you work at, you work in, and so you can't do anything, but why are you leaving out late at night?

Well, in the wintertime, I only leave in the winter, you know that.

And so you leave late at night to work sometimes, is what you're telling us?

Yeah, if it's snow. I got a dog.

Not only in the wintertime, in the summertime too.

No.

Yes, you did.

Oh, I come home.

You come home 10, 11 o'clock at night. Like, come on, you can't cut grass that late at night. I know, you can't cheat.

I can, bro, you know I do. I'm not cheating, so.

Why do you think she's accusing you then?

'Cause she cheating.

'Cause she cheating.

Yeah, to cover up her tracks. You know how women are, women do, they are sneaky and do things.

I think both sexes can be equally as sneaky, you know what I mean? That's more of the thing, yeah. Did she cheat on you?

Yeah, she cheated on me.

Uh-huh, she did cheat on you. And how did that make you feel when you found out she cheated on you?

Hurt, but I forgave her.

Uh-huh. How long into the relationship did you cheat on him?

It was like, I say—

The beginning, all this in the beginning, so. You know how the beginning stages go.

Yeah, 'cause in the beginning, like, I didn't really take it that serious when I was, that's when the time when I was—

'Cause you was 18.

Yes, I was 18 at the time.

But I took it serious. Nah, just playing.

But when we first got together, I wasn't taking it serious. So I was still doing me when we got together.

Yeah.

But once I seen he was serious with our relationship, it made me be serious with our relationship.

Got it. But it's okay if you say you was taking it serious in the beginning because like you might have been looking for something and you wanted to be serious. So did it hurt your feelings when she—

Yeah, yeah, it hurt my feelings. But you know, I'm a big boy, I could suck it up.

Okay then. Yeah, I got that. Yeah, yeah. But I can only imagine if in the beginning you were being faithful and you were trying to establish something and then, but you did know the risks of getting with an 18-year-old woman. Yeah. Oh yeah. I mean, 'cause at that point you was what, in your 40s?

Yeah. So. It ain't that bad.

I'm just saying, I'm just saying. But the reason I say this is because sometimes when older men get with younger women and some things, and they're not ready or they cheat, I'm like, what you thought was gonna happen? She's still young, she's trying to figure out her life and figure out who she is.

True.

But she did bring up something that I gotta ask. She said there was scratches on your back. So what are the scratches from?

From cutting grass and going under trees.

I don't believe him, I don't believe him.

From going under the trees?

You know I ride on the lawnmower.

It was right here.

Up here and down here, yes they were.

No, they weren't down here.

Yes they were.

Really?

Yes they were.

They was right here and I didn't even know they was on there.

Until I found something. So you boy, I don't believe it.

Okay. So why don't you think she's ready to get married?

Trust issues. You gotta learn to trust.

I do trust you though.

And you gotta be, Mhm. That's why we're here then. Okay, cuz I'm not cheating. Why we here? If you trust me, we're going to find out.

Okay then. What will happen if you find something on her phone?

Oh, I'm out of here.

You're out of here?

I got to go. Yeah, I got to go. For real? Yeah, it was nice knowing you, but I got to go.

It is what it is.

So I think that's interesting that you said that if you find something on his phone, you still going to stick around cuz you love him. He's letting you know straight up that if he finds something—

and that just hurt it.

But I love, I love you though, but that's I can't.

You can't stand it?

No.

Okay then.

'Cause that mean you ain't ready.

If you say so.

Edward, you told my unlock the phone investigator that you want to know if Jaleesha is communicating with 3 specific men.

Yeah.

If she is sending nudes to any men.

Yeah.

And if she is texting with other men.

Yeah.

No, I'm not. No, I'm not.

No, I'm not.

Okay, well I think it's time to unlock the phone. Unlock that phone. Edward, we're unlocking your phone.

Oh Lord. Ain't nothing in my, I ain't worried about it.

It's about to pop right now. Okay. All right, Jaleesha, you wanna know if Edward is texting with other women? Edward says he is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched his texts and found that he is telling the truth.

Wow.

Okay. All right, Jaleesha, you wanna know if Edward is contacting women on social media? Edwards says he is not. Mind locked the phone. Investigators searched his DMs and found, uh. Oh, he's telling the truth.

Can I say one thing?

I have one thing to say. I know one thing for sure.

That's a lie.

I told you. I want my public apology.

No, That's a lie because I didn't. No, no, no, no. That's a lie because I didn't see in your phone that you talk to people on Facebook.

We weren't together, though.

Well, yes. How come we wasn't?

That was the time on a breakup, Whatever.

So we just wanna make sure that we always do based on what you tell my producers and my investigators of the time y'all took breaks and things that were not together. So we're looking on the time that you said y'all were together to wanna see if he did this. And so that's what we're going off of. I just wanna always be clear. I just wanna be clear. You give us information. I told you. Did you just ask for a public apology and a steak dinner? Yes.

Yes, he did.

That slipped in while I was explaining that. I was like, did you just ask for— Okay.

Well, 'cause she brought me all the way here.

Okay, so you wanna say that, okay.

And I've been telling the truth.

Okay. All right, Jalicia, you wanna know if Edward is sending explicit photos to women. Edward says he is not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched his photos and found he's telling the truth.

I'm on my phone.

Well, you know we not done yet. I know, right?

We gotta unlock my phone.

We not done yet. Jalesya, we unlocked your phone. All right, here we go. Edward wants to know, Jalesya was communicating with 3 specific men. Jalesya says she is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her phone and found she is not telling the truth. We found one text exchange with, with in September. And the graphic says, where you get this from? Your girlfriend? He says, I don't have one, but when I get one, I'll remember to say that. And then this is the part that we found. She said, oh, I ain't your girl no more. Okay, bet. Stop talking to me. Oh wow. Really?

Ooh. Oh wow. So he ain't your girl no more. Oh wow.

Can you explain that?

I'm not like, when I like, that's the like, he know I didn't talk to him about shit. So he know who shit is like, shit is up.

This is the past, no.

But you said I'm not your girl no more. I ain't your girl?

'Cause he won't, he said he think we together, he want us to be together, but I don't wanna be with him.

But then why would you say I ain't your girl?

Right.

Somebody wanna feel special, I guess. You wanted him to feel special?

I guess.

But inadvertently by making him feel special, he feels unspecial.

That was a minute ago, didn't it?

No, no.

It was.

Okay, next one. Edward wants to know if Jelaycia is sending nudes to men. Jelaycia says she has not. "Monlocked the Phone" investigators searched her photos and found that she is not telling the truth.

I have not sent no, no, I have not sent no nudes.

She has sent the same, hold on, hold on one second, hold on.

Wow.

You have sent the same explicit photo— to 12 different men. It's the same photo that you sent to 12 different men.

No, I didn't. No, I didn't.

Girl, you not gonna gaslight me, girl.

Yes, you did, girl.

Oh.

Yes, you did.

You didn't think we was gonna find it? Yeah, we found it.

I'll be honest, like, I do talk to people, but like, I'm not, that's all I do is verbally. Like, I don't do nothing. That's all I do.

Okay.

Run me all the way.

I'm not cheating on you.

I'm not.

Mine said 0, 0, 0. You at 12 already.

We ain't even got to the text. Oh my God. All right, well here we go. Edward, you wanna know if Jelaycia is texting other men. Jelaycia says she is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her texts and found She's not telling the truth. He found 24 sexually explicit texts, 17 different conversations with men, 5 texts with the words "in call" and 2 texts with the words "out call." Wow. Wow. Also, my locked phone. Can we see this evidence bag right here, Ralph? What evidence bag? Y'all know when Ralph walk out, he got something in the bag. Thank you, Ralph. What is that?

Well.

Wow. In the evidence bag. Hold on, let me see.

What we got in the evidence bag? So. Can I leave? Huh?

Can I leave?

No, we gotta see this. So I guess that, okay, so, okay. I guess you've been escorting. Did you know that? As a member of escort site, skitthegame.com as of August 24th. And I guess these are all the soliciting texts for that.

Can you not read them out loud please?

I will not. I will not out of respect for you. I have no problem with doing that. Wow. But I do, I wanna make sure that you know. Can I see? Yes, you can.

It's you, not me. Wow, you brought me all the way down here. You wanna see it?

No, I don't wanna see it.

Oh, okay. Wow. So, how do you feel about knowing all this?

Well, like I said, it's over. I got to go. I can't stick around. We can do better. That's right. Yeah, so I love her, but I love myself more.

Amen.

That's what's good. That's what's good. That's what's good.

You know, this is why it's so important. This is why it's so important to get both sides of the story because by just looking at it, it's easy just to assume that you were controlling. Yeah, it's all of us fell prey to maybe that's what it is. Yeah. And now when she made the comment earlier, when you said to her, you're not ready. It now makes a lot more sense to us. Because it's unfortunate because as a young woman, she does need time to find herself, but not at the expense of you and your mental health and your safety.

Yeah, I understand. But you know, I kind of expected it, so.

Yeah, yeah.

It hurts, but I expected it a little bit, so.

Brother, I'm sorry that you had to find out here, especially the fact that she brought you here to unlock your phone and then we found out all this.

Yeah, and then I got booed.

They booed my dad.

Yeah, everybody booed.

I'm sorry. You know what? On behalf of me and my audience, because normally they're not as toxic like that, but on behalf of me and my audience, you know what? I'm gonna buy you the steak dinner, okay?

I'll buy you the little steak dinner, okay? That's so sweet.