Wild & Crazy "Unlock the Phone" Moments | KARAMO
In this episode of Karamo’s talk‑show series, the host brings couples into a live setting to resolve relationship conflicts through forensic analysis of their smartphones. The segment focuses on Steven and Soneena (also referred to as Sonequa/Sanina), who argue over trust, alleged infidelity, and emotional cheating. Karamo, aided by a “locked‑phone investigator,” unlocks both partners’ devices, revealing call logs, text counts, and photos that contradict the participants’ claims. The investigation uncovers 12 calls to a man named Damon, 384 texts to two men over a year‑and‑a‑half, and 29 photos of other women on Steven’s phone, some from the past two weeks. The confrontation escalates with accusations, denials, and audience reactions, while Karamo interjects with mediation tactics, urging the couple to stop “kicking bricks” out of their relationship and to rebuild trust. Throughout, the show blends entertainment (applause, audience coaching) with serious relationship counseling, ultimately advising the pair to stay apart for now but offering a path toward reconciliation if they commit to rebuilding their foundation.
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So my guest Gigi says while she was carrying her boyfriend's baby, he got another woman pregnant. And then another one. Girl, let's meet Gigi so we can hear her side of the story. Gigi, come on out. So how did you find out your boyfriend got another woman pregnant?
So I usually have multiple phones and his phone was broke at the time. And so I let him use mine for like 2 weeks.
Yeah.
And when he was bringing it back, he just, forgot to delete and sign out of all his social media. So at that point I'm just like, okay, well let me get logged back in with my iCloud and my stuff. And while I was going on there, I'm just like, all his stuff is still on here. And I'm a little nosy, so I'm just like, okay, I'm finna go through it. We just got into an argument. I don't know where he's been at.
Yeah, girl, I'mma check too.
I go through the phone and yeah, I'm seeing messages from multiple women. But the one that stuck out to me the most is where him and this girl are talking about, maternity pictures, pregnancy test pictures. Yes, and I'm just like, at this point I'm like, I'm finna call her because who are you?
You need to know who I am.
And so I called her, I called her and I'm just like, you know, hi, are you pregnant by Armani? And she was like, yeah, I am. And I'm like, well, are you sure? Do you know if it's his baby? And she's like, yes, I know who I slept with, She's not with him right now. She doesn't want anything to do with him. She just wants to be left alone, whatever. I go to the next girl that it looked like he was talking to and I'm just like, I know he's with you, you know, where is he at? And the girl basically just told me don't call her phone and hung up.
Yeah.
And I didn't hear from him for like another month.
And during this time you were also pregnant?
Yes, I am pregnant.
So you're talking to this woman saying she's pregnant while you're pregnant at the same time?
Yes.
How long had you two been together at this point?
We were, On and off all 2021. And so I found out I was pregnant March 2022.
March 2022.
Mm-hmm.
So it was about a year together.
Yeah.
A year and a half at this point.
Mm-hmm.
And how did you find out that he got another woman pregnant?
Oh Lord.
Ugh.
That one was like kind of way worse because at that point it's like we were really doing good. We had just took family pictures. You know, we were hanging out a lot. Like we weren't living together, but he was there like almost every other day. And, He was on probation and he was supposed to go check in. And at that point I didn't take him because again, we just happened to get into an argument around this time. So 2 hours later I'm getting a call from his phone. So I'm like, "Okay, maybe they released him." When I answer the phone, it's this girl screeching, "Ah, oh my gosh, Armani got taken. Oh my gosh, I can't believe this. And some girl is pregnant." Telling me all the tea. And I'm just like, "Who is this?" She told me her name and I'm just like, "Well, do you know who I am?" And she's like, "Yes, I know you're his baby mother. He told me about you." And I'm just like, "Well damn, he ain't told me about you." Exactly. So, you know.
So the girl that's talking on the phone that's screeching, she's the one that was pregnant? Oh no, she's somebody else. Whew, 'cause that's, I'm counting 3 times he cheated.
I've counted more.
So if you counted more, then why are you still in this relationship?
Because, Honestly, we never really had sat down until like recently and said, as of today, me and you, we're in a committed relationship. That means no flirting, no outside, you know, exchanges, no, none of that. Just me and you together.
Mm-hmm.
So to recap, he had two other babies on you during this time that you all have been together.
Yeah.
And in January you started this clean slate.
Yes.
Okay. If January is your start date, then it's gonna be our start date too. We're not gonna judge your past, okay? Thank you.
But my producers told me that you kicked him out two weeks later.
I did. Why?
Because we had got into an argument pertaining to our parenting. We parent different and he has a tendency to get really disrespectful and just say something below the belt. I just take like he don't know how to argue. He doesn't really know how to disagree or he don't like when I disagree with him.
Or, wild theory, he could just be disrespectful.
I mean, he could be, he can't—
I'm just saying, 'cause saying like maybe he don't know how to argue, maybe he don't know how to communicate, or 'cause having 2 babies on you and cheating a couple times could mean he just could be disrespectful. So I ain't gonna lie to you, Armani, I ain't gonna lie to you. I judged, I judged prior to you being out here and I like to apologize on behalf because normally I like to be fair until I hear both sides. But when I heard you got two more other women pregnant, it was easy for me to judge. So I'm gonna allow you to explain what happened. How did you get these two other women pregnant?
Okay, I had a baby mother before Gianni.
Okay.
Um, that didn't work out. Gianni got pregnant, I went to jail. I got out, me and her wasn't really dealing with each other, we wasn't really talking.
Okay.
I start talking to somebody else.
Okay. 'Cause she feels like y'all were talking.
I know.
Okay. So were you leading her on during that time?
No.
Okay.
Basically, I'm talking to somebody else. She still thinking we talking. I'm not even trying to deal with her no more. I'm trying to do my own thing, trying to live my life. She not trying to let it go. I'm in jail now. She has the phone. She finds out that I have somebody else pregnant.
No.
She capping. She ain't telling the truth. That's why you wanna start right there. You gotta start You gotta go back. So let's start with me getting outta prison. Her cousin reached out to me informing me that she wants to talk to me. I don't remember her, you know what I'm saying? She remember me from when I was a kid. I don't remember her, you know what I'm saying? Boom, we tap in, I'm looking at her, oh, she look cool. We get to talking, we get to meeting each other, you feel me? Reaching out, she get to pulling up on me 'cause I'm fresh out, I don't got no car, I don't got nothing going. I explained to her everything that I got going on. You know what I'm saying? As far as like my life, who I deal with, you know what I'm saying? How I maneuver. The stuff that I'm into, stuff that I did, where I'm trying to go. You know what I'm saying?
You're saying I met her, she was great to me, she was a great friend, and that you're saying, from what I'm hearing is you're saying that I told her I have multiple women and she still kept dealing with you.
She did.
Got it. Are you speaking to other females now? No, was not. No females right now?
No.
Not one?
No.
Okay then. So she kicked you out and what happened?
Right.
I went back to my life doing what I do.
Okay, so 2 weeks ago you went back to your life.
And I'm not gonna say she kicked me out, she asked me to leave.
Okay, then she asked you to leave.
Yeah, because it wasn't like—
She asked you to leave, she asked you to leave.
It wasn't after he said—
She asked you to leave and you went back to doing your life. I asked him to leave, I asked him to leave.
What does it mean to go back to doing your life?
Doing what I do.
What do you do?
Rap.
Studio, take care of my responsibilities as a father, but I'm not just doing it with her. I'm not answering her calls, I'm not talking to her, I'm not accumulating.
So you talking to other people?
No.
Okay, so when she asked you to leave the house—
Well, well, I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that, 'cause now that you putting it like that, 'cause you got a different way of talking.
And the way I asked him the same thing, are you talking to other females? What are you considering talking to them? What do you mean talking?
So what is your definition of talking?
Exactly.
Me talking is we can have a conversation. We texting.
That don't mean I'm talking to you.
About what?
That doesn't mean you're talking to her.
That don't mean we talking like, oh, we dating. That's her terms of talking.
No, dating is dating. Talking is talking.
If I talk to somebody that look like her, she gonna be mad.
You feel me?
If I talk to somebody that in the crowd like her right there with the pink hair, she gonna be mad.
You feel me?
She's gonna be mad.
You feel me?
'Cause what are you talking about?
She's beautiful.
I can't talk to nobody. So when I say, you see how she putting it?
I'm talking to you right now.
You can't talk to nobody. What are you talking about? You talking about other mothers about how they like it and what you wanna do with 'em. Yeah, that's out. Of course I'm not gonna want you talking to me. You're not talking to him about the economy. You're not talking about the weather.
The hell?
So let me ask you point blank period, do you wanna be with her?
Yes, I love her. Okay, so are you in your children's lives?
Yeah.
Great, okay then, perfect. Do you still talk to the other mothers?
Yes.
You do? And do you have a relationship with them?
Yeah.
Is that relationship just friendly, co-parenting? No, it's a— Does it get sexual sometimes?
No, it's a co-parent relationship.
And she's involved. Does it ever get flirty?
No. I can't say that, but—
Woo-hoo!
Who's he getting flirty with?
That's not getting flirty.
Who you get flirty with?
I don't get flirty with nobody.
So then why you can't say that? He just asked you and you say, "I can't say that." Who you be flirty with?
Because if somebody say I look nice—
Who you be flirting with?
And I be like, "Oh, you look nice." Who you be flirty with?
You be flirty with, you be flirty with her?
No, I don't.
Why you smiling and laughing?
And who you talking about? 'Cause you just say you don't talk to the third one.
You funny.
And now all of a sudden you've been flirty with the second one.
Do you trust her?
No.
You don't trust her?
No.
Okay then.
This is regular.
Let's go ahead and do this then. Since y'all know what's in the phone, let's help us to find out.
It's time to unlock the phone.
All right, Gigi, we unlocked your phone. Armani, you wanna know if Gigi is texting with any other men.
She says she is not. My locked phone investigator searched her texts and found that Gigi is telling the truth.
Armani, you wanna know if Gigi has any DMs with other men.
She says she does not. My locked phone investigator searched her DMs and found that Gigi is telling the truth. Armani, you wanna know if Gigi has made any calls to other men in her phone.
What are you accusing me for?
She says she's accusing you of nothing. My unlock the phone investigator searched her calls and found that Gigi is not telling the truth.
You said what?
My investigator did find 5 calls from a guy named [MASKED].
That's her husband.
But what I realized is that what the investigator said is that she has not answered any of those calls in December before the clean slate.
Right.
Exactly.
So not one of those calls were answered.
So yes, she might have been talking to him prior, but since your clean slate and the month before, she has not been talking to anyone.
And even when I do talk to anybody, I'm not talking to them —nobody to go build a life, have a baby, move in with them, do none of this stuff.
I don't talk about that neither.
Armani, then how is it 2 babies after our baby?
Because me and you weren't together.
Me and you weren't in a relationship. Me and you not together.
So this is the thing. This is the thing. We're talking about— so because we're— Tell the truth.
What she's saying is that you 2 are going to be trying to get a clean slate. And so what we're going off of is a clean slate, period. Exactly. I don't know if I agree with that fully, but since that's what you all want to do in your relationship, we're going to go from the clean slate. And from the clean slate— She has not done anything. So she has not talked to anybody. She has been giving her undivided attention to you. So if she's saying to you, let's get a clean slate, let's be honest, and she's proving that, why do you have an issue? I don't have an issue.
I have an issue with what be going on. It don't have nothing to do with that.
But there's nothing going on since the clean slate.
I never said that there was nothing going on. That's what she wanna do.
That's her trying to, oh, I'm not doing nothing.
Look, I can do this. I don't care. That's not the problem. You don't care.
Yeah, no, the problem is what be going on in the household.
Armani, since the clean slate, have you been doing anything?
Since January when she kicked me out? Have you been doing anything?
No, since January 3rd when we said we're gonna—
Have you been doing anything? No. Y'all are a clean slate. You haven't been doing anything? No. Well, we were able to reach out to the other two mothers of your children. Oh wow. And they're actually backstage. Is there anything, because they both are very vocal about what you've done since January, is there anything that you wanna confess to her before we unlock your phone? No, go ahead. Mm-hmm. Bring 'em out. Bring 'em out.
Bring 'em out.
Very interesting how you have that smug look on your face.
Mm-hmm.
Bring him out.
Interesting.
Yeah, where's his phone?
Uh-huh. No, we gonna unlock it. So I'm gonna tell y'all something. We don't have him here. He know we don't have him here. What? You think it's really funny, huh? It is funny that you try to—
Well, here we go, Armani. You not telling the truth. We unlocked your phone.
You don't tell the truth.
Actually, like I assumed, Armani has refused He refused to unlock his phone.
That's on you.
Okay. That's on you. Okay, so what are your thoughts about him not unlocking his phone?
Oh, I mean, that's why he left. That's why he's not at the house. And that's why you won't get what you want from me. You won't get to, you won't have me submit to you. I'm not gonna know you. You're not at the house 'cause you don't know how to stand on your word. I'm not at the house because you didn't do what you needed to do. You're not at the house 'cause you don't know how to be faithful.
I'm not at the house because I'm not letting you control me.
You're not at the house 'cause you don't know how to chill, man. And you're not at the house.
That's why you're not at the house.
You're not finna be at the house. That's just what it is. Exactly. And what you wanna do is trash. It's regular.
But that's cool. But what you doing?
Big things, bitch. You already know that. You already know that. Texting everybody. You already know that.
Everybody know where we live.
Yep.
Where I live. Random people. Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.
Pull up right here at the 7-Eleven. Well, Armani, it sounds like you're unhappy and don't wanna be in this. Right, that exact thing.
He projects and keeps telling me I don't like him.
It's not that. I don't like him.
But he could say all these ways he's doing it. Armani, I appreciate you so much for being here. Thank you so much for letting me hear your side of the story. I'm gonna have you go to your green room and I'll meet you back there. Thank you so much.
Girl, you know Armani's not the problem.
You know that, right? Mm-hmm. Armani's not the problem. Mm-hmm. And those women aren't the problem. Mm-hmm. You know who the problem is.
Mm-hmm. You the problem.
The devil's the problem.
Because there's something in you that says, I wanna go ahead and keep ignoring the bad behavior. I wanna keep ignoring the patterns that I'm seeing. I wanna keep justifying his behavior and hoping that it will be better just because I may have made a mistake here or there. You're doing all that. See, the reason I asked him to go back is because I know saying this in front of him ain't going to do nothing. He going to be able to use this to manipulate you. You got to do some self-work because something in your mind, something that was modeled to you at some point in your life, something that has happened has informed you that this is the type of man that you want to hang on to. In these 28 years, even just these past— this past decade, the 10 years since you turned 18, Have you taken a moment to say, why do I look at love this way? What in my past is making me think this is love? Have you taken a moment to really sit with yourself and say, why do I accept behavior from this? Mm-hmm. Here you go, Mama. It's okay. It's okay. It's okay. Probably not. Probably not. Because that's the first step you gotta take. Mm-hmm. I'm here giving you this truth as just a bit of a wake-up call because he's not going to change. Mm-hmm. This is who he is, which, so if we know who he is, that means it's time to figure out who you are. Mm-hmm. What makes you fearful about figuring out What you need? I don't know.
I don't know.
I just feel like, I don't know.
I like helping people, like taking care of people. It just makes me happy feeling like, I don't know, I could do something like bigger than myself. Like I'm just not a selfish person. I don't know.
You helping people can never be at the sacrifice of yourself. Can I ask you something? Did you ever feel abandoned in your life?
Mm-hmm. Okay.
Was it by a parent? Got it. 'Cause what you described to me, through my training, usually people who have abandoned then seek love. And when they seek love, love usually comes with caveats. The best advice I can give you is do the work on yourself, figure out that abandonment issue, and then let him go fully. Javaris caught his boyfriend on a dating app talking to someone in his own family.
Let's meet Javaris to hear what's going on.
Javaris, come on out. Hi, Javaris.
How are you doing? Good, how are you?
Nice to meet you, Javaris. Thank you. So take a seat for me. So how did you find out that he was speaking with your family member?
It all started out Super Bowl night.
You know, I'm a big Eagles fan, so you know, I'm all into the guy.
Hello? Okay.
So come to find out, Super Bowl night, we had a relative's house and he was on his phone. He kept going on his phone, picking up his phone and picking it up and picking it up and picking it up.
Yeah.
So as he picked it up and picked it up, I wanted to join, join, join. Okay. So as I joined, it was The big G, Grindr. And it was 0.03 feet away. Problem, it was a relative. What?
So that mean he talking to somebody in the house?
In the house. Real close.
So first I gotta make sure, so when you saw that he was on Grindr, did that upset you?
Did it upset me?
Okay, okay, because you know some people—
It upset me. Okay, you talking about it upset you.
Nowhere in the world Uh-huh.
0.0 foot away? Mm-mm, no.
Okay, have you ever caught him on the app before?
I have. Okay, and what happened?
It wasn't close by. Okay, okay. So when I called him, we talked about it. Come to find out we'd been on there together, but this was 0.0 foot away. Uh-huh. And I have a problem with that.
Okay, did you confront him about it in that moment?
I did.
And what'd he say?
Once I confronted him about it, we left. Got on the road to celebrate Valentine's. Yeah. I went to Charleston. I had the room decorated really nice. Every spoon got tossed. No glass was filled and no plates were empty. Okay.
Okay, so that means it was on the whole time.
You was done. You was done. No peace. No peace.
And what was his response? His wrong was I was crazy.
I'm overthinking.
But you saw him talking to somebody on Grindr that's a member of your family. Yes. Why would he think you crazy? Like, I don't understand.
He was crazy. Okay. It was time to fat the frog and feed the snake. Okay, from that point—
I know you Southern.
Ooh, yes, son.
So from that point, I felt some type of way. I was hurt. Of course.
So did things always escalate during the confrontation?
Yes. It did?
Yes. Does it get physical between you two?
Sometimes it does.
Okay. Does he do this often?
Whenever he's confronted. Okay.
So when you find him, catch him, you confront him and then he basically gaslights you and says you're acting crazy and then you get upset. I get upset. Okay then. Have you invited others into your relationship before? You said in the past. Yes, in the past. Okay, how long y'all been together?
It'll be 2 years on January 11th. 2 years, okay then.
And then at what point in the relationship did you start inviting people in?
After he start cheating.
Okay, so he cheated and then you thought the solution would be to invite people in. Yes. And how long into the relationship did he cheat? Probably like 5 months. 5 months.
Well, actually 30 days 'cause they were planning on cheating 'cause we met 30 days after the Super Bowl.
Oh, so this is 30 days in with the relative that he cheated? Yes.
And it kept going on and on and on and I'm tired of it. And all I see is— Hidden apps. Uh-huh. Phone lock. Yeah. Hidden browsers.
Do you have an open relationship today? I do not. You do not. Just wanna be clear. And he, when was the last time he talked to this family member? Probably yesterday. 'Cause you don't know?
I don't know. Got it.
The unknown. The unknown. And you two share a phone, my producers told me. We do. Okay, then why you share a phone?
Because he was trying to prove the point that he wasn't cheating. Uh-huh. But you can get on the internet and cheat. He's on computer cheat. Okay.
Are there times when he has the phone alone? Yes. Okay then. Usually when, yep. No, say what you're about to say.
Usually when I'm asleep, that's a good time for him to bag it up and answer questions and send out messages.
And then you feel like he then hides apps and does stuff? Yes. Got it. Do you live together? We do. You do live together. Okay then. Well, I think it's time to meet Joe Rico. That's his name, right? That's right. Okay, let's meet Joe Rico and hear his side of the story, everybody.
Hey, Joe Rico.
Hey, Karamo, how you doing? I'm good. I'm not gonna judge you. What? But I'm gonna find out some truth.
Please do. Do you have a relationship with this family member?
No, I do not. You do not? No, not at all. Did you?
No, I didn't have a relationship with this family member at all. Ooh, shady.
Honey.
Oh, they've been shady, okay. Yes. People think I'm messy. They ain't met my audience yet.
And I'm here to prove to him and show him that I'm here for him and I wanna be with him. I made a mistake getting on the app. Came across the wrong person. I own that. Okay. But I'm no longer doing that anymore. Got it.
But so you're no longer on the apps?
No. Well, we have been on the apps to— We have been on the apps together. Got it. Together. Right? But other than that, I'm not on an app at all.
Okay, you saying you not on it, okay then. So when you— That's it.
What is it?
That's it. You not on an app.
That particular app. I'm not on any app. Okay.
I'm not on—
Text me now, text me boo, text me later, Scooby-Doo.
None at all. Scooby-Doo? None of those. No, no.
None of those.
None of those.
I'm not on anything.
Out of 4 phones, none of those.
Out of 4, yeah, and a broken TV, right? Yeah, of course.
Yeah. Hi.
But first of all, no, my energy, not, what's wrong with my energy?
Yeah, when I ask you about it, you get very upset.
No, I do not. Yes, you do. I get upset with the fact that just like—
Hold on, so you broke his 4 phones?
Correction, I broke my phone first because I'm trying to have a conversation and I can't get a word in. Got it. So to get your attention so you can hear me and see me, I broke my phone.
Now, and then— I told you they judgmental. They talking like I was stupid. That's okay.
Okay.
I ain't worried about them. I'm here for him. And so then later on—
And I'm here to unlock the phone. Okay. I want the phone unlocked.
Okay.
So what about the other 3 phones?
What happened then?
Well, the second one, he broke my TV, so I broke his phone.
How often do things get physical? First of all— how often do things get physical?
Why would I break out if they get physical?
It sounds like a lot, I'm tracking.
Often, sometimes often.
7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7 times, 7. What's the answer to it? 7 times 7. Too much.
So what made you go on Grindr at the Super Bowl party? You were supposed to be at a party with your boyfriend, what happened?
Well, I was on Grindr, I got on, I got on Grindr.
He said he wanted to feel something.
I was feeling myself, I was at a party, I was feeling good. I made a mistake. I was bored, I was stupid. Okay. I own it.
Once you realized it was his family member, did you stop the communication? I never knew it was his family member.
The person, he sit here and he'll tell you that that person was right here next to me. The person I got on Grindr and talked to was a person that was 5, 10 miles away in the same city. It wasn't no one right there in the house.
Oh no, in Charleston, that's when you started seeing the 5 and the 10 and the 20 and the 30 and the 40 and the hundreds miles away.
No. Yes. No. Clear as day. You might have been 0.0 feet away from me because we were in the same bar.
Clearly he was on Grindr.
Because you were on there too, right? Well, clearly he was on Grindr. But you were on there too. If you know, if I was talking, if I was If I was 0.0 feet away.
He said he saw you. He didn't say he was on it. He said he was looking at you with the phone.
But I'm the one driving. Uh-huh.
I'm talking about when we was at the party. At the party. At the party. Do you believe the accusations will stop after we unlock your phone?
I hope they do. Mm-hmm. I want my relationship. I want to get past this. I want him to know that I am honest with him. I'm in love with him. I wanna be with him. I want to heal. So we can grow and thrive together. Okay. 'Cause I made a mistake. I'm not—
What about starting over and we decide whether we should pursue a relationship or not?
Clear? Yeah. Okay. Well, you said it a couple times. You wanna say it again? 'Cause it's time.
Maybe start over. Unlock the phone.
There we go. All right, so here we go. Jorica, we unlocked your phone.
You didn't set me up on— Javaris? My phone. The phone you all share that he thinks you've been doing things on. Okay. Javaris wants to know if Joe Rico has any inappropriate photos in his phone. He says he does not. My locked-up phone investigator searched his photos and found that Joe Rico is telling the truth. Javaris, you wanna know if Joe Rico is texting with any other men. He says he is not. My locked-up phone investigator searched his texts and found that Jorico is telling the truth. You in disbelief right now. Why you in disbelief? Javaris, you wanna know if Jorico has synced up his phone to any suspicious devices' Wi-Fi connections. He says he has not. My locked-up phone investigator searched his phone and found that Jorico is not telling the truth. Monica, phone investigator found the phone has been connected to 14 different Wi-Fi networks, many of them at hotels.
'Cause that's where we have been. I can explain that. Have we not been staying in hotels? But you blocked Karamo from hotels. No, no, no, no. Okay, no. Have we not been staying in hotels? We have been out vacationing, travel. Exactly. And you connect the phones to the Wi-Fi. And you disconnected the Wi-Fi, I can't connect. No, I don't, Javaris. What do you do? When it gets to a point where it lasts.
He's supposed to buy my phone.
Okay, Javaris, you wanna know if Joe Rico is speaking to any other men on any dating apps. He says he's not. You just said earlier that you don't have any apps anymore, right? Right. Okay, well, my unlock the phone investigator searched his apps and found that Joe Rico is not telling the truth.
My unlock the phone investigator found 4,049 interactions on both Grindr and Jack'd. Me? Me. He also noticed that these sessions were marked— Who made that a lie?
We also noticed these sessions were marked as sent to background, meaning the apps were minimized to switch away from while they're in use. So send to background on apps means that it's not gonna pop up. So did you do that or did he do that? Who did it? We can only show what we find. Y'all are sharing a phone and we see that an app has been pushed to the back, which means it's hidden.
His phone.
Hides the apps on that phone?
He is on the apps. He created profiles from an email that we share. He is always on the app, not me. I don't even pick up the phone to touch it. I don't wanna be on it. And I tell him I don't wanna be in the app 'cause I want my relationship. Oh, that's a lie. And he tells me— Thank you. That, oh, somebody else is on it.
So you're saying that he pushed the, he hid the apps? It's his phone. I don't know how to hide no apps. At one point you—
I'm a straight shooter. If I did it, I did it. And I did it good.
So you didn't hide any apps? No. How do I— What apps? So what apps are hidden? Are you the one on the apps?
'Cause he's saying it's you. So what apps are hidden on the phone?
The two apps that are hidden on the phone are Grindr and Jack'd.
Apps that he wanted on his phone, that he downloaded to his phone. No, you—
I did not download the apps on my phone.
So you can check the phone.
So the last time it was sent to the back, the start time is on October 17th, 2025. That's the last time you went on Jack'd on the Android at 7:43 PM.
We were on there together. Huh? We were on there together. When? So we didn't— We have not been.
You are a liar.
Yeah, 'cause you said you was wanting to fix your relationship.
No, I did. And guess what? You failed. No, I didn't fail. Okay. You wanted to download the app. You told me to download it and now you're pointing it back on me.
You wanted to download that app, Javaris.
You told me to download that app. You told me to create the profile because you wanted to have a threesome. You have secrets. But now it's me. You have secrets. I have secrets? How do I have a secret from you when I'm using your phone and I barely touch it?
Why? Why you barely touch it?
Because I don't wanna be accused of something I know. You do. I don't touch the phone at night.
You touch that phone.
No, I don't.
'Cause I snore like a bear, remember?
Well, you said that, not me.
And I'm proud of it.
Since you two share a phone, is there anything you'd like to share with the other person? Is there anything you wanna share, you wanna share?
I've shared everything with him. I've been completely honest with him. I've done everything I could to think of to do to save my relationship. Okay.
You want my personal advice? Sure. My personal opinion on this? I don't think there's a relationship to be saved, and let me tell you why. It is beyond Jack, to speak on Grindr, what it is is that you two have never had a foundation of communication or respect. Right. And so what happens is that every time one of you are re-triggered, you both do erratic things that could put you both in danger at some point. And what I know to be true is that sooner or later, one of y'all could end up in jail. It's not worth it. Both of you can find somebody who's gonna love you and give you what you deserve. You shouldn't have to have one phone. Y'all shouldn't have to not trust the other person.
What you saying? Well, I'm single now. I got some brothers, 'cause I'm everywhere around it.
All I wanna do is be with him. I know you wanna be with him, but do you wanna—
All I just love him and nobody else. I know you love him, but it's—
And I'm gonna give myself to no one else but him.
But it's unhealthy. Yo, you better stop. Jericho, can you admit this is unhealthy? You know it's unhealthy. Can you admit you deserve more?
You know, after being in this relationship, I don't know.
Yeah.
This is all I have. I don't have nobody else.
There is a strength in you that you'll be able to fight for yourself. The foundation of what y'all both wanted was broken in 30 days in. Yes. And y'all been spending 2 years trying to get it back. That's true. It's true. But I think it's time to let go.
I thought it could be fixed myself and I tried to stay in the race as long as I could, but I lost everything from friends to family members and I want my life back. Yeah. I want my family back. Family.
I want my family back. You talk to your mom every day. You talk to your brothers.
You have, you talk to your best friends every day. So even what I'm seeing right now, even what I'm seeing right now lets me know that y'all should be together because for him, he's saying that he's lost them. It might not be what you think he lost. Just because you're physically talking doesn't mean you have the same relationship. So if he's saying, "I want them back," it means that there's something that he received before that he's not getting right now. I guess. So what y'all have to do is y'all have to understand that you both have to go live your lives separate. I really do. I wish this could have been a happy ending. I really do. But unfortunately, I think it's best that you all just move on and maybe down the line you can be friends. Oh my God. Yeah. Thank you. I do wish you both the best of luck. Thank you for being here with me, all right? I wish you the best of luck. So Makyla, he asked you to buy him a sandwich the first day y'all met?
Yes, 2 to 3 times and I finally gave in. I told him to text my phone number about what he wanted. Yeah, he did. And then I forgot to make the sandwich. Okay, so the next day I did brought it, but he gave it away to somebody else.
What? Yes. What? Yes.
So he begged you for a sandwich?
Yes, he begged me for a sandwich just to give it away because I made it wrong, but I was in a rush.
What?
Okay, so you got together in March and y'all already on my show?
Yes. What? Girl, it ain't that far from March.
What happened? I don't trust him I don't trust him. Okay, you don't trust him. Trust issues, all right. I hear you. Is that it?
Just point back trust issues?
I don't trust him because when we got together, it was females in his phone.
Okay, so we got February 20th. February 20th, we got together.
Okay. Yes. Then March 7th.
Hold on, he moved in March 7th?
Yes, it was quick. It was quick.
It was fast and it was quick. He had nowhere to go.
So I told him he could move in. March 10th, y'all pregnancy test?
Not my pregnancy test.
He got pregnancy text. I call him, texted some girl named [MASKED], tell him I saw him. I know your stomach big. Is it a boy or girl? So I asked him about it. Ex-wife text? What? Yeah.
Yo, what is going on? Hold on, I didn't see this before, y'all. That's why I'm shocked. What is going on? OK. So ex-wife?
He got an ex-wife? Yes, he got an ex-wife.
And you didn't know?
Well, he told me about it, but he said they was getting the divorce finalized. But he gotta keep in contact with her in order to get it finalized. They texting each other, "I love you," and all that, and you with me.
And then a mystery girl on April 20th?
I don't even know the mystery girl. The girl just rolled past us, talking about some, saying whatever out the window, talking about, "I see you with your new girlfriend," on Easter. On Easter.
Not on Jesus Day. Yes. Yes. Come on now. And now September 18th, y'all over here on the Karamo Show? Mm-hmm.
I'm still gagged by March 3rd move in. It'd have been March 20th, March 3rd, if he would've had to move in by March 10th, if I would've got that, it would've been March 11th move out. Right? Yeah. Why he moving so quickly?
I'm still stuck on that.
He asked me, did I want a bill? Soon as he moved in.
I'd have been like, "Bill what?" Do you wanna bill? What you wanna bill? What you wanna bill? Okay. Is that the way that y'all saying it nowadays? No. Okay. Listen, I'm asking the brothers here and he looked at, he talking about, "Nope, that is not what we do. We do not ask like that." Okay, I just wanna check.
Does he help you pay bills?
No, I do all that by myself, but he does cook. He wash the dishes, but I do everything else. Yes.
Well, how old are you? I'm 20. And how old is he? 35. He's 35?
35.
35. Okay. Do you know for certain that the baby isn't his or not?
He don't even know if it's his. Wow.
Okay. So there could be a part 2 of this where y'all have to come out with this woman with a baby.
Okay. I hope not.
Since March, what other issues have you been having in your relationship?
I catch him just randomly looking at females and then he claim that's his peoples and then I'll be like, "Okay." Then when I ask again, he be like, "I don't know that person." And then every time I walk away or whatever, he get my attention by calling me A. I'm not your friend. I'm your girlfriend, not your friend. But when he see another female, he call her by her name. I don't like that. But he calls you A? Yeah. Like A. Get my attention.
Oh. Is he controlling? Yes. In what ways?
Just like last night, I wanted a separate room. He ain't want me to get a separate room because we came out here together. But my thing is, if you get under my skin, I need a separate room because if I hurt you and we out here, I could go to jail.
I'm not trying to go to— This is not my city.
Like, no.
You said, "I could go to jail." I could go to jail. Like— I'm glad you did.
Did you get your separate room? Nope. He didn't let you get your separate room? Nope. Oh, 'cause we would've gave you a separate room.
They booked it, but he just didn't want me to get it.
Okay, I know, 'cause I'm like, if you want a separate room, we'd have gave you a separate room.
They booked a separate room. He just ain't want me going in a separate room.
Wow, okay.
Well listen, I heard your side of the story and I wanna be fair and I wanna give Anthony a chance to tell his side of the story. So everyone please welcome Anthony so he could tell us his side of the story.
How you doing?
Welcome to the show, Anthony.
Thank you for being here, man. Glad to be here. Yeah.
All right, so let's go back. Anthony, are you still married? No. No. No. Okay. Do you have the paperwork to show you're not married?
Nope.
Yeah.
Do you?
You do? Not here presently, but it's at the house.
But I ain't see it. I told her. I ain't see it.
Okay. Is your shirt tan? Huh? Is your shirt tan? No. Your sweater, is it tan?
Yeah, yeah, the jumpsuit.
Okay, this way, okay. Do you have another girl pregnant? No.
No, okay. Nah. Okay. But I do have a lot of fans. Like a lot of females, they, we all cool. We cool, we just cool.
So what was your point of texting her talking about is her stomach fat and is it a boy or girl? Like, but that's not your baby. I don't get that part.
I don't even remember. You don't remember that?
Uh-huh.
You don't remember a lot of things. Are you cheating on her?
No. That's the whole point what we came here for.
You're not cheating on her?
No, it's good gentlemen out here.
It's real men.
You don't gotta worry. But you're not a good gentleman.
Okay. Are you controlling? Yes. No. Yes. It's the other way around? Yes. You think she's controlling? Tell me from your opinion. Don't know.
Don't know. That's not true. That's not true. Don't know. She controlling. It's always like last night, controlling. You debating, you get into an argument, you start an argument up purposely. And then like during the debate, I'm gonna get my own room, you know? So I want to make sure I'm safe. Why don't you leave her alone?
'Cause you're still in the same hotel. You could just went next door and checked on her and said, you all right?
And went back to your room. Insecure. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna be honest. I'm insecure with safety.
I really am. No, you just insecure, period. No, that's not true. Yes, it is. Yes, you is.
Okay, it's the other way around. No, it's not.
My producers told me that you've been arguing since you got here. Is that true?
'Cause like I keep saying, he compare me to a dead person.
You ever seen people compare a dead person Bro, so I guess I called him a bitch.
Hold on, hold on, hold on. I called him a bitch. So he brought up my ex and I said, why you keep bringing up my ex? I don't bring up your baby mama. So he compared me to his baby mama. But like I keep saying, she's no longer here. If I don't bring her up, why you keep comparing me to a person that's no longer here?
His child's mother has passed away? Yes. Okay, okay, got it. She got assassinated a few years back. Okay, got it. So Anthony, you called the show why?
Because the bro is some real gentleman and I ain't cheating and I don't know about all these other females. I don't know nothing about no, none of that.
So all the messages that was in your phone was just lies?
Nah. Nah, so I'm right.
So you have cheated and texted with other people?
No, I ain't cheat nothing.
Okay. Okay, you didn't cheat anything. Okay, well listen, it's time to unlock your phone.
Unlock, unlock, unlock, unlock, unlock, unlock.
Well, Anthony, we unlocked your phone.
Go ahead. Is there anything you wanna confess first? Ain't nothing to say that she don't already know. Makyla, you wanna know if Anthony is having inappropriate conversations with someone named [MASKED]. Anthony says he is not. My locked phone investigator searched his texts and found he is telling the truth. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Makyla, you wanna know if Anthony is talking to other women. Anthony says he is not. My Lock the Phone investigator searched his apps and found that he is telling the truth.
Thank you. Oh, y'all ain't doing enough digging.
Y'all ain't digging right. Y'all ain't digging right. Truth is facts, man.
Y'all ain't digging right. Y'all ain't digging right.
Y'all ain't digging right.
Listen, Makyla, you wanna know if Anthony is cheating.
Anthony says he is not. My Lock the Phone investigator searched his phone And found 236 web searches, but it's for a new apartment. Why you look for apartment if you already have a place to stay?
Well, we upgrade. We always upgrade, upgrade, upgrade, upgrade. Okay, so you searching for apartment.
She know about it though.
Okay, you know he searching for an apartment?
Yeah, I know. We was both searching for an apartment together.
Great, great, great. Thank you. So can I give my gentlemen applause to some of y'all?
Thank you.
Let's go, Karamo!
Let's go, Karamo! Let's go!
Let's get real. I don't do nothing. I dedicate everything to you.
Okay, so do I think that Anthony has a wandering eye? Yes. Do I think that Anthony will allow things to be inappropriate? Yes. Do I think that he's crossed the line? No. I'm gonna tell you something. Let me tell you why. Let me tell you why. Let me tell you why. So I read body language and I do things on purpose, which is I can already tell his tells for lying, which is why earlier I asked you if that shirt was the color I asked you to see how you would respond. Because when you lie, you do this.
That's your tell. Oh, don't worry, you gonna watch it back. You gonna watch it back. I don't lie, I don't lie.
And so I was gauging on the things that when I would say, did you cheat? You wouldn't do that. But when you would say like, yeah, I held the door open, or yeah, maybe I sent a text, or yeah, oh, the girl, the, the, the, you lied on those things. But what I can tell you more than that is what's going on in this home life is super unhealthy. I think that y'all rushing something too quickly. I think that you were in a vulnerable situation and you saw somebody who just got out of a relationship relationship and you knew that you could manipulate your way into this so that she could take care of you.
Nah, not at all.
So then if that's not the case, why you don't have a job or apartment and you 35?
Nah, I can't work.
I got disabilities. What happens with your disability check?
Yeah, I get that, but they cut it off these past two months. Just now got it back on. That's what we do.
Okay, so what I'm saying to you is I do respect if you have some disability. I will never make fun of that. But what I do know is individuals, because I worked in social services, that you're gonna be getting some type of assistance. Then that assistance, she just said that when you're in the house with her, you have not paid anything. So even if you, those were her words and she said you haven't paid nothing. You paid something. No, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. My point being here is that, my point being here is that at 35, with or without a disability, there should be some trying to help and support in the household. Right. And so that's why I can come to the conclusion and feel confident in the fact that you saw someone who is 20 years old and said, "Oh." I do also know that because of the way that you established the relationship, it was a dominance, it was a power play. You said, "Make me a sandwich." She said, "Yes." And then when she made it for you, you said, "It's wrong." That is a part of manipulation and control. It's textbook almost. Do you mind if I help? You can't eat nothing that you not— What are you talking about? No, I'm telling you that is textbook. I'm gonna get in your head. I'm gonna tell you this. No, it wasn't it. Makyla, I need to know from you. What was your home life growing up?
My mama always had something going on, you know, fighting and abusing and stuff like that. I grew up like that.
Okay, so I wrote that down because I could already tell that. And that's the reason I asked that question because your behavior is mimicking that. And this is common. And I'm sorry that you did not get to witness a healthy household because now you're trying to figure out at 20 how to make that happen on your own. I see you getting emotional. What's going on? It's okay. It's okay.
'Cause all I could do is just, I don't know, if I see something wrong, I just yell at him about it, go at him about it. But it's the fact that when you came in my house, bro, you was texting all these fucking females. Now you want me to be nice and all? No, I can't do that.
I get it, I get it, I get it. But I wanna stick on this. Because what I want you to understand is that you can have your own breakthrough.
You should've left it in the past then.
What you all don't see and what I see is this is a young woman who was in a household where this is what she wanted to scream to the men that your mother dealt with. Am I right? Okay. But that's only going to hurt you. And so what I would encourage you to understand is that yes, you deserve love and you deserve security. You do too. I'm not saying you don't. You deserve those things. I believe this relationship should end. You should not be in this relationship. And if you have the courage to end this relationship and ask him to leave your house, take a year or two to be with you. Realize how great you are. Oh, calm down, ready? Should we go to the back? Yeah, you go to the back. You go to the back. You go to the back real quick.
I don't know. This how we going in. Oh.
Right, right. But yeah.
In young love, I'll say this, is we think, oh, we gotta build together. Uh-uh, I'ma build myself, you build yourself, and then we gonna make sure that we are matched, equally yoked. But you're saying, are we down here? That old adage of we both at the bottom, let's try to build up, that don't work. Y'all both gonna keep trying to figure out and y'all gonna be in cycles. So what I encourage you to do is build yourself. Find yourself in a moment where you can say, I'm standing on my own two feet, I'm doing this.
Right, right, that's why I made the decision is to see what's going on, 'cause we agree we gonna work regardless. But the—
Well, no, she said y'all, she done.
Oh yeah, this TV. But the whole thing was that.
Oh, so what you just displayed right there again is the manipulation I told you before and the control.
You just said this is TV, which means you're not respecting her decision. I'm not about to let another, no disrespect to yourself, I'm not about to let another man ruin my life and tell me what to do with mine. Your opinion is considered, don't get me wrong, I take your opinion in consideration.
So what I'll tell you this, is the man that you sit in front of us actually I'm actually here to build your life up. So I actually have the skills. So nothing I've given you is to ruin your life. It's actually to help you. But because you don't want yet to be on your own and do what I suggested, of course it's gonna seem like I'm ruining it. So with that being said, I wish you the best of luck. I really do.
All right, make sure to come back, friends, so we can keep talking and growing.
I love you all.
Hey, Karamo.
What's up, brother?
If everything come back right with the test, I wanna marry her.
What? Word. Today? Today. Okay. All right, I'm about that. I'm about that. All right, all right.
So Jermaine and Jasmine say they wanna get married, but it sounds like something's going on in their relationship. Take a look at this.
I love my girl Jasmine, but I think she cheated on me. I can't get over it.
I can't stop thinking that my boyfriend Jermaine cheated on me.
Me.
I went over by Jasmine's house and I heard her making sex noises through the window.
I was walking around my neighborhood and I could have sworn that I heard someone moaning Jermaine's name.
It was like—
it was like— It was disgusting, it was wild.
That big ass getting hit.
10 minutes later, I run into Jermaine and he's all sweaty and he has a bag of popcorn. Seems a little fishy to me.
I need Jasmine phone unlocked 'cause I need to know what happened that night.
I need Jermaine's phone unlocked to see what the hell is going on.
Everyone, please welcome Jermaine to the show. Jermaine, you know you a fool for that, right?
Okay, so tell me what went on that night that you heard all those noises.
So, I went to her house. Usually she got the door unlocked. Okay. So it seemed a little, the door was locked. So I walk around to the back of the house and I didn't even have to get to the back of the house, I heard noises. And I'm like, what's going on? It got to be the neighbors can hear. I'm like, what? I'm walking through like, I didn't even have to knock on the door. I get to yelling, Jasmine! Jasmine! It was no answer, all I hear, mm, mm, mm. I'm hearing all kinds of sex noises. So it felt very obvious.
So you hear the noises, but do you try to get in touch with her? Do you call the phone other than just screaming out her name? Do you call her phone, what do you do? What did you do?
Man, I'm banging. Banging, okay. Calling the phone. It was so loud, she ain't gonna hear the phone. So I'm banging. Jasmine! The neighbors come out like, what's this? They could hear it. Yeah.
It was loud. What did Jasmine say when you confronted her about this?
She said I was pleasuring myself.
Well. Who said well? Who said well? I heard somebody say well. Okay, so we know what you doing, okay. You talking about, "Well." You talking about, "Well." Okay, I ain't mad at it, I ain't mad at it, okay.
So tell me how you and Jasmine first got together, bring me back.
I've been knowing her since she was 18, but we lost history. Okay. We lost history for like 10 years. Okay. So I'm in the bar, with my homegirl, me, her, and Jasmine go to my house. We drinking and having fun. A threesome happened.
Oh.
A threesome happened.
And then from that you was like, you the one? I'm seeing two big booties in here.
I'm like, which one do I go to?
I'm, for real.
So I'm like, okay, I went to Jasmine. I went to Jasmine. So, I'm wore out. I wake up the next day, I'm like, this really happened. I didn't think this could really happen like this.
It happened. So every day, we've been together ever since.
Nonstop. And how long ago was that? About a year and 6 months.
A year and 6 months. 1 year and 6 months. And so when you got to her house that day, that was the only time you ever saw something suspicious? When you heard the door locked, that everything else has been good then? No. Oh no. No. Okay.
She called me, 6 hours later she was by her friend house. So I go pick her up, she's hugging a guy, bye. She said it's a girl, no way. No way in my mind that's a girl. I got eyes like she do, it's a guy. Yeah. And then she hop in the back seat. And then I take her home, she runs in the shower and lock the door. Mm. 35-minute shower to 40 minutes. I'm like, I'm hearing water running, it's hot. I went in the bathroom when she was done, the room was steam. Yeah.
Something was going on. Got it. So for you, this is all suspicious. Outside of the suspicious behavior, what makes Jasmine so special? Because clearly you're here because you love her.
Man, I love Jasmine. More than anyone. I used to be a, man, I had a lot of women, but this the one. Why she's so special? Because she put her name on me twice. No woman ever put they name on me twice.
Have you ever cheated on Jasmine? No. Never, never at all? Never. Does she make you feel like you're safe? Yes. She holds my hand.
I never hold a girl hand before in my life. I've been married twice before. I never hold they hand ever. I don't hold hands.
I don't hold hands. So some of the toxic behaviors you're saying you had before with Jasmine, you feel like you don't have to do anymore?
I'm happy with her. She made me pick up 15 pounds.
Got it, got it, got it. See, because listen, through what he said, even through the comedy of it, I'm hearing she makes me feel secure. She makes me feel like I don't have to be something else. She makes me feel like I can just, 15 pounds means like I'm comfortable. I ain't going nowhere.
I've been in a relationship before where I gained 15 pounds. I know what that's like. That's love.
Like, I don't need nothing. So I get that. So I understand.
She made me, yeah, I can eat.
I eat with her. Okay, I get that. I get that. So we're unlocking her phone today and you told my investigator that you wanna know if Jasmine is communicating with any other men, if Jazz is sending any explicit photos of other men, and if Jasmine is texting with any other men. Yes. Okay then. Well, I think it's time to meet Jasmine and hear her side of the story.
About what was going on in that house.
So everyone, please welcome Jasmine to the show.
Hi, Jasmine. Hi.
So, thank you for being here.
Thank you.
So how do you feel about what was just said? So, for one, When he said that I was pleasing myself, I was pleasing myself. Okay.
Listen, you grown, you gotta do what you gotta do. But he said—
He wasn't there, so why not?
Okay.
I was knocking and yelling in. So you saying I'm not doing a good enough job? No, no, no.
You are, you are. Okay, okay, okay. She said you doing a good job. She said just in that moment.
Have you ever cheated on Jermaine?
No, never. Never even wanted to, never thought about it, never. Nothing.
Yeah. So for you, do you ever feel like he could be cheating other than with Bri?
I mean, last summer we were at the beach and he told me that he cheated on me with two other women.
Ooh.
And then a month or two later I asked him about it and he told me that he never said that and he did not even saying it.
Were you all drinking at the time? No, we were sober. Sober at the time. Okay. Yeah. What happened the night you heard someone screaming Jermaine's name out the window?
So something told me to go outside and walk around my apartment and I heard someone moaning his name, his nickname at that. Oh. And— What's your nickname?
What's your nickname? OG. OG. OG Mane. OG Mane. Yeah. So you heard somebody, that's a very specific thing 'cause that's what you gotta ask 'cause you know, Like if you nicknamed Billy, you know, that could have been anybody. But OG Maine, you heard somebody saying OG Maine? Moaning it. Oh, okay. Wow. I didn't, wow. Okay.
And then 5 minutes later when I'm circling back around the building, he's walking up to my apartment with a bag of popcorn.
That must have been some good shit to give me some popcorn if I did it.
I didn't do it. Okay.
But where did the popcorn come from? Yeah, yeah. And he was all sweaty. Uh-huh.
What? Were you? It was hot outside.
It was hot for a pimp. Okay, okay, okay.
It was hot. Tell me about the text message Jermaine has sent you.
Well, it's been like a month or two months since he sent these messages, but whenever he goes out, he says, "I got a new girl. Go get a new guy. Do you. I don't want you anymore.
I want nothing to do with you." Why are you trying to push her away? I'm not. But if you're sending those messages, that's what you're initially, yeah, that's what you're trying to do. If you say you love her, why are you trying to push her away?
I wanted to see what she was doing.
So you wanna test her?
Yeah, I wanna test her. I wanna test her flame.
Okay. Do you think Jermaine is capable of being faithful?
I mean, he's cheated on all of the women that he's been with and he's told me that he's cheated. I hope he's being faithful, but I really don't know.
Okay then. Jasmine, Jamaane, you told my Unlock the Phone investigator that you wanna know if Jamaane is texting any other women, if Jamaane is calling any other women, and if Jamaane is communicating with another woman named [MASKED], correct? [Speaker] What? [Speaker] Okay, well, it's time to unlock the phone.
[APPLAUSE] Okay, well, Jasmine, it's time to unlock your phone.
All right, here we go. Jamaane wants to know if Jasmine is communicating with any other men. She says she is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her calls and found that Jasmine is telling the truth.
I told you.
Jermaine, you wanna know if Jasmine is sending any explicit photos to any other men. She says she is not. On this show, we check both current texts, current photos, and deleted ones. And I always have to remind people 'cause we can find things up to 5 years that you deleted. So my Unlock the Phone investigator searched her DMs and found that Jasmine is telling the truth. Jermaine, you wanna know if Jasmine has been texting with any other men. She says she's not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched her texts and found that Jasmine is telling the truth.
So we have searched both in your phone and what is deleted.
And Jasmine, you have not been doing anything. You have been faithful to this man. How does that make you feel? Great.
It makes you feel good? Like Tony the Tiger. Great. It makes you feel great? I'm happy. Yeah, yeah. Okay then, okay. I love you, baby.
I love you too. Well, Jermaine, you told me something before the show. Karamo, um, Starter, is there anything you want to say to Jasmine?
I love you. I love you.
That's some tags, baby. That's some Karamo Cage. I love you, baby. Oh, somebody said unlock his phone. They right, we do still need to unlock his phone. But how do you feel in this moment, Jasmine? I feel good. You feel good? Are you nervous about what we're about to find on his phone?
Did you know he was gonna propose? No. You didn't know he was gonna propose? No. Are you shocked right now?
Yeah. Okay.
Cool down a little bit, baby.
I mean, we've been talking about getting married, but you know.
Now, yeah. Well, before we celebrate too much, Jermaine, it's time to unlock your phone. Jasmine, you ready? Should I be worried?
We all gonna find out together.
Jasmine, you wanna know if Jermaine is texting with any other women. He says he is not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched his texts and found that Jermaine is telling the truth.
Okay, baby.
Jasmine, you wanna know if Jermaine is communicating with any other women in any other method. He says he's not. My unlock the phone investigator searched his calls and found that Jermaine is telling the truth. [APPLAUSE] [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] [Speaker:KARAMO] All right, Jasmine, you wanna know if Jermaine has been communicating with another woman named [MASKED]. He says he is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched his DMs and found that Jermaine was not telling the truth. We found 8 messages between Jermaine and this woman from last month. Let me see what it says, 'cause I don't know. Okay, it says, "Hey, what's going on? Been at work." And then it says, "Text me, I'll save you. Okay." So it looks like she just says, "Save my number, I'll text you." But we didn't find any other communication from that.
That was my guy ex-girlfriend. She just wanted to see how I was doing. 'Cause she got into a bad car wreck. I told you about that, baby.
He does talk to her in front of me, but I wanted to see what he does when he's not around me.
Yeah, I will say this, I will say this. There was just this message alone. We found nothing, okay?
Woo!
Okay, so you're engaged, but I gotta give you some advice. Thanks, because I'm actually happy for your engagement. I'm happy. Thank you. I think y'all are a spirited couple. I love y'all energy. I think y'all have a lot of fun together and I think it's great. But what I will say to you is that there's two things at play here that need to be worked on. You have trust issues and in your past when you've had trust issues, you've done two things, one of two things. You've pushed the person away or you've retaliated by cheating on them. Okay?
Yeah, I know I'm right. Yeah. I cheat track.
And so what I wanna make sure you know is that in this relationship, if this is really the one, when you feel those feelings of insecurity of like maybe this woman could be doing something, is she really here for me? Is she down for me? You gotta communicate that. Okay. Versus sending her a text that's gonna be malicious, that could be hurtful, that could cause her to have insecurity issues. What I'm gonna encourage you to do now is that remember that you started a relationship in a way that is unorthodox. Unorthodox. You had a threesome, which is unorthodox. It's your choice. But you have to understand that he did choose you that night. And if you're feeling insecure, I'm gonna ask you the same thing. When you're feeling insecure, instead of thinking like, oh, is something going on? Something's happening. You gotta communicate. The stronger that you two can make this communication is the longer this relationship will work. And my last piece of advice is close your damn windows.
'Cause I'm not your neighbor, but I'm almost sure don't nobody wanna hear, don't nobody wanna hear that or OG Mane, okay? The neighbors didn't wanna hear Jermaine. Okay. They didn't wanna hear it, okay, I'm just saying.
My producer told me you moved halfway across the country.
Sure did. Okay, what happened? Well, in my hometown, it's like, there's nothing there and it, It drags people down. You was ready for change. I'm ready for change, and if this man ain't ready for change, then I don't know what to tell him, 'cause.
So on top of the town dragging you down, did you feel like your man was dragging you down? Because someone told me that you thought he was cheating.
There's been a couple incidents where, yeah, I felt like he was cheating. Okay. And caught some messages.
She think I'm a get 'em girl.
My audience is so messy here.
I'm not the one though. Okay, yeah.
So you caught some messages with him and ladies.
And what happened? When I confronted him about it, he's like, "No, it wasn't even like that." You know how men are. They don't wanna be caught.
I do, I do. Is it true that he offered to help someone have a baby? [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] Right?
Yeah, I caught a message. Where he told the girl, "We don't need no condom 'cause we finna have a baby." [Speaker] Oh!
[Speaker] No way. [Speaker] Yeah.
[Speaker] Paula, wish you had the pic. We just caught your face, girl. I love your reaction. I had the same reaction. Oh my gosh.
So what did he say about that?
[Speaker] He didn't know what to say.
[Speaker] I'm sure he did not. I'm sure.
[Speaker] He said that it ain't even like that. They all say it ain't even like that.
So, okay, so the direct message said, "We don't need a condom 'cause we about to have a baby." Yeah. And he said—
We're trying to have a baby. He said that— It was nothing like that. That he was just trying to—
Then what was it like?
What the heck? You asked me.
Okay, you talking about I didn't send the text.
I ain't do it, okay.
We supposed to be having a baby. Okay, yeah. So have you caught him cheating in the past outside of that?
How did you discover that? I caught some Facebook messages where he had met up with a girl. And when I asked him about it, he said, "No, we just smoked the blunt." Yeah, okay. No, you don't just, no.
And what did you discover 2 days ago?
He was posted on the T-App.
And what'd they say about him?
The girl said that she posted a couple different men to see what it was or something like that, that she never even linked up with him. She never, how you got pictures that I don't got though? How you got a picture of my man that I've been with for 8 years that I ain't even got? Okay, so hold on.
So, but this is the thing, the Tea App is supposed to give the people like the tea so that they can feel like they're making a decision. Mm-hmm. Why would she then post it and then like backtrack? If she got photos. Karamo, I don't know.
I asked him and he said, "You're the one that posted me." I said, "Why would I post you? We've been together for 8 years." Yeah, okay.
Has the relationship always been like this?
No. What was it like in the beginning? Our relationship was amazing. It was amazing. It got rocky about almost 3 years ago now. Okay.
You know, so. So year 5 it got rocky. What changed during year 5?
Well, he's accused me of cheating. I've lied to him in the past. No, I've never, never cheated. Never. I'm a one-man woman.
I'm a one-man woman. And so you said you lied to him in the past.
I have, yeah, I did lie to him. And so I could see why he thought that I was cheating.
What did you lie to him about?
About somebody that I slept with way before we even got together though. Okay. But why you wanna know about my past though? Like, I don't wanna know about yours and who you slept with. Got it. Okay then.
Well, you asked my unlock the phone investigator to unlock his phone. And what do you think we'll find in his phone?
Everything. I'm hoping, I'm hoping for the best, but you know, you gotta pray for the best and expect the worst sometimes, so.
You wanna know if he's cheating or not? Yes. Okay. And this is before he moves because you move to restart your life. Yes. And you wanna make sure you're not gonna bring drama with you.
Yes. Okay. And also because he wants to have a family with me.
He wants to have kids with you now? Yeah. Got it. Well, you know what? We heard your side and I wanna be fair. I wanna hear Isaiah's side. So everyone, let's bring Isaiah out so we can hear his side of the story.
Yeah.
How you doing, Isaiah? Hello.
Good to meet you. Good to meet you as well. So I gotta ask you directly, the first one. Did you offer to make a baby with somebody?
No, I did not. Hmm. Okay.
So the text, they think I'm a liar. So the text said directly that we don't need a condom, we about to make a baby. What did you mean by that if you didn't mean that we about to have sex and I'm gonna impregnate you? I was just pretty much just playing around.
Playing around? We don't play around like that though. I wouldn't go tell another man that I'm gonna have a baby with him, especially after how many years.
Well, she goes missing for days and—
I go missing for days?
So I was pretty much just—
I don't go missing for days.
Pretty much just threw it in her face just like that.
I don't go missing for days.
He was missing for days.
Hold on, before we get on missing for days, I gotta go back to this 'cause I didn't get a direct response. Okay. So you said you were just playing around. What do you mean you were just playing around by telling someone we're gonna have sex without a condom and I'm gonna impregnate you? Well, yeah.
Okay, cool.
All right, so who posted you on?
Let me tell you something, you know you done messed up when you got my cameraman laughing. When you got them, Isaiah, my brother, when they not on your side no more, you really lost, OK?
What do you think we'll find in her phone? The most. The most, OK.
Please unlock my phone.
OK. She ready. Please. OK, well, listen, she ready. Let's—
time to unlock the phone. Facebook and all, bro.
All right, well, Tia, we unlocked your phone.
Isaiah, you ready for this? Yes. All right, here we go. Isaiah, you wanna know if Tia is messaging other men on Snapchat. Tia says she is not. My Lock the Phone investigator searched her apps and found she is not telling the truth. Who?
Who am I, who?
Tia, you're communicating with 22 men on Snapchat. 22.
But he did determine. 22 men? Wait, hold on, hold on. 22 people. But hold on, but hold on.
It did determine. It did determine. She said none of the conversations were inappropriate in nature. And most of them she mentions you and your relationship in many of the conversations with them.
You shouldn't be talking to him anyway.
When I'm ordering you stuff from them?
You shouldn't be talking to him anyway.
When I'm ordering you stuff from them?
You shouldn't be talking to him anyway.
Okay, 'cause you wanted the grill. So I'm messaging this guy that makes the grills for you. Or I'm messaging this guy about an outfit for you. People that we know.
Okay, well Isaiah, you wanna know if Tia is with other men when she goes missing for days at a time. Never. Tia says she is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her GPS and found she's telling the truth.
Thank you. Thank you.
Never. So my unlock phone investigator found two frequent locations, Tia's home and Super Walmart.
That's where she at the most.
You telling me on my Walmart?
I'm on the phone. I'm out the Walmart though.
Listen, Isaiah, you wanna know if Tia is hiding anything since she moved to South Dakota. Tia says she is not. My Lock the Phone investigator searched her phone and found she's not telling the truth. My Lock the Phone investigator determined that the phone was tampered with on September 1st, which is a little suspicious.
Tia, why did you tamper with the phone? I didn't tamper with the phone. My phone had got broke back home. That's when I got the new phone because my phone got broke back home, remember? I couldn't contact you. What happened? Remember I was on Karamo phone with you because my phone was broken.
Oh, so you were aware that the phone was broken beforehand? Yeah.
No, it was not. I just got the iPhone.
No, it was not. How was it not?
It's sitting at your cousin's house in Washington.
Well, he's also telling me right now that it was a reset on September 1st as well. So it was broken. Why did you reset it?
No, it was a phone that I never had that was given to me. Okay. No, I'm serious. Like you could call, it was my daughter's phone. I'm not lying, you know about that iPhone.
Well, reset makes sense for, does that make sense for a new phone? Yes. Okay, that makes sense for a new phone.
It wasn't my phone. Somebody gave that phone to me to put my SIM card in.
Nah, come on. That's it.
Okay, so that makes— Oh no, okay. So my producer, she's talking to my investigator and she's like, that makes sense for a new phone. So okay, you're the clue on that one. Listen, we just gotta find everything, okay? We gotta find it all.
That's what we do here. We unlock phones and we find everything, so.
While there, you wonder if Tia is having inappropriate conversations with men. Tia says she is not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched the texts and found she is telling the truth. Thank you. However, my investigator said there were 90 messages that he needed me to see. Ralph, you got the messages? Oh, y'all know when Ralph got an evidence bag. Oh, okay. Thank you, Raw. This says, "I love you, my king." That's what you said to him. Mm-hmm.
That's my daughter's number. That's the phone he has right now. Okay.
"I love you." But then underneath it says, you cussed her out, 'cause I'm looking at it. Why did you cuss her out when she said, "I love you, my king"?
'Cause she be, she says that to a lot of people.
He just told you I don't.
She's not talking to anyone. But even if you were suspicious of her talking to other men, when she says, "I love you, my king," why not just say, "You know what, right now I don't wanna deal with this." Why cuss her out?
But does she truly feel like that down deep inside her heart?
Yes, I do. If I didn't love you and I didn't wanna move forward—
Wow, 'cause right here you're calling her a nasty hoe. You're telling her that she has sex with people all over, that she's a cheat. Oh my gosh.
And when I wanna hang up the phone, "Oh, you wanna hang up the phone 'cause you gonna be going and messing with somebody right now having sex." And every time he calls you outta name, you just reply, "I love you." Yeah.
You tell her she's a liar. Oh, okay. And who's this woman? That's [MASKED].
That's— You tell me why he was with her in the middle of the night.
Why were you with her in the middle of the night? Nah, we was just kicking it. While I'm in South Dakota?
No. And I can't get ahold of you on the phone. Mm. You can't answer my calls, but you with another bitch. No, you know her as well. I don't give a fuck. Dirty ass trifling. Stop cussing. No, she's trifling. She cheated on me.
Well, Tia, I'll tell you this. We've unlocked your phone. We know that you're clear. So she's not cheating on you. She's not going to any random houses. But now it's time Isaiah to unlock your phone.
Let's go. All right, Isaiah, we unlocked your phone. Here we go. There's Facebook and all, bro.
Tia, you wanna know if Isaiah is texting other women. Isaiah says he is not.
Oh, that's a lie 'cause I caught him. I read him.
My lie detector investigator searched his texts and found that outside the messages you found, he's telling the truth right now. Oh. Wow. Okay. So Tia, you wanna know if Isaiah is hiding anything since she moved to South Dakota. He says he's not. My locked phone investigator searched his photos and found he is not telling the truth. My locked phone investigator found explicit photos of 23 different women in his photo album.
Of course. And you wonder why I got attitude. You wonder why I talk shit. You wonder why I got, oh. You lucky we on the Karamo Show.
So Tia, you wanna know if Isaiah is messaging other women on social media. Isaiah says he is not. My locked-up phone investigator searched his DMs and found he is— Lying. Not telling the truth. My locked-up phone investigator found him communicating with 13 different women. Some as recent as this month.
Can you come over?
Can you come over? Told me she's at the house with you.
No, hey, that's, uh, um, really?
That was, look, okay, so Tia, Tia, I want to tell you something.
After I left, I buried my, I had my grandma's funeral and you're texting a girl the next day.
Tia, so here you go. I want you to know this. He told that he was looking for a new girlfriend just one week ago after you left. Isel also reconnected with his ex and told her that he loved her only 4 days ago after you left.
You're done.
Over. Oh, I do. Oh, I wanna slap fire.
I wanna slap fire from you. We're done.
So Tia, I gotta tell you this right now. 8 fucking years. Tia, the only, Tia, I gotta tell you, the only move you should be making—
It's in and out, man. Tia. You breaking them more than you're breaking me.
Tia, the only move you should be making is moving on.
Do not look back. For myself.
For myself, bro.
There's several things at play here. There's several things at play here, Tia.
You told your ex you still love her. Who was it? Which one?
Let's just be on top of it. What? Or what?
Tia, this is the thing. Doesn't even matter. Outside of this, what you have confirmed now is that during these years, you have been faithful, you have been doing nothing. Thank you. And he has clearly been in situations. I mean, brother, I can't help you. You did this to yourself. And the unfortunate part is the way that you were, by the way, any, so I'm gonna pretend like I'm the Tia right now. Anybody who starts to date this man, I wanna let you know something. What he will do is when he's done something bad, he will immediately flip the script. Story to start creating a diversion to talk about something you're doing. That should be your first indication that he's lying to you and that he's doing something deceitful. That's what he did on this stage. So you have a pattern of it. I've counted it 4 different times. It's one of the reasons I have this show, to make sure that people understand the patterns and transparency of their partners. And so what I ask for you is that you grow because she's right. You've gotten these children's lives, you've affected them because now they've seen you as somebody who they love. And now she's gonna have to explain to these kids why this man is no longer in our lives. So what I ask for you is that you just be mature enough and be man enough that the next woman you get with, be honest. Okay? And until you're honest, you gonna keep running into problems where whatever about to happen right now, 'cause I hear her coming back out. I hear her coming.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE] I just wanna know if you have anything to say to me. Like, do you have anything to say to me?
I just wanna let you know I love you from the bottom of my heart. Oh, oh no, we're not doing that. All right, everybody at home, say no thanks.
We'll be right back, friends.
We're not doing that shit. We're not doing that. Bye, y'all. We gone, this dead, bye.
So what does your man say you're caught between?
Karamo, you're not gonna believe this. You're not gonna believe this. He says I'm caught between two.
Y'all play so much. Okay, why he say you caught between two? Two, okay.
I mean, he's accusing me of cheating. He's accusing me of being a liar. Okay. A narcissist, manipulator. He thinks I'm going back and forth between men, yeah.
Oh, that's crazy. How long has that when these accusations been happening? 3 months into our relationship.
Immediately, he's constantly accusing me. Constantly accusing me of doing this and that and this and that.
So you sent my producers the text he sent you. Let me see this. Okay, it says, "I'm safe. You know I ain't got to catch nothing. You can trust me. You just in between.
I don't wanna wait around till you got back to that." Oh my gosh, who talking like that? That's crazy. Does he always accuse you of cheating like this?
He does. He does. That's how it is all the time. Whoa. Yeah, 'cause he's trying to deflect from what he's got going on.
That writing is wild. Okay, so why do you not live together?
It's too much pressure for me. Yeah, too much. It's too much, yeah. If he already treats me like this when we don't live together, I can only imagine how much pressure it would be living together.
Makes sense. Yeah. You have a really pretty face looking at you. I like you. Thank you. Oh, really pretty. Yeah, you're welcome. Is there an age difference between you two?
There is a huge age gap, 30 years between us. Oh. Just about 30 years, about. Oh, okay.
30 years age difference and he's writing like that?
Yeah, right? Right? Girl, thank you. And how long y'all been together?
We've been together 2 years, but we've known each other for 15 years.
Okay, 2 years, known each other for 15. Okay then. And how do you feel about him?
Honestly, I love him. You know, he's a great support system. I really do. But that's just relationship-wise, he's too much. Yeah, I feel like he's insecure. I feel like he's a narcissist. Yeah, and I feel like he's sucking the life out of me. That's genuinely how I feel. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So are you, but you're not doing anything to give him insecurities?
No, that's why I came here. Got it.
'Cause you called the show to unlock your phone, but decided you wanted to come clean instead?
Hold on, take a look at this. Somebody, what's going on? Can we turn this on?
So I chose not to unlock my phone because I've been lying. Just recently, I did start talking to other men. Angel knows about one guy that I was dealing with on a breakup, but there's actually two guys and I never told him about the other one. I slept with one of the two men and the other one is just someone I go out with. I've sent some nude videos. There is an adult content video. It would definitely hurt him if he saw those videos. There's also some messages between me and one of the other guys about me being pregnant by the other guy. Oh! Angel knows nothing. This was a few months ago, and I went and got an abortion. This whole coming clean is really hard because I know it's gonna hurt him. I will continue to see the other man.
Girl.
At least I came clean, Karamo.
Yeah, but I asked you just a minute before my shady producer was like, you wanna come clean?
I was like, you doing anything to make this man insecure? So clearly.
I mean, but he's been like this from the beginning.
Okay, he's been like this.
Yeah, he's been like this from the beginning. I have not always stepped out.
Okay. You know? So this is just recently.
This is just recently.
That you became in between.
'Cause he was right, you in between too. Yeah. Okay.
Yeah, he was right.
So how do you think he's going to react to this?
Honestly, I think he's gonna be upset and hurt. Yeah. Yeah, but at the same time, you know, he's lied and cheated on me a lot.
Oh, you did?
You know what I'm saying? So he's gotta be understanding. Got it. In some way or way, you know, if I forgave him, he needs to forgive me.
All right, well, your boyfriend Angel's backstage.
He also watched your confession. So everyone please welcome Angel to the show. Hey, how you doing, sir?
I'm good, my boy.
How you doing? I'm good. How you feel about what she just confessed?
Not happy.
She had to do it, man.
You should be understanding now because of all the things that you've done to me. You've lied and you've cheated.
I lied? I did what?
You've lied and cheated again. When?
For a whole year straight, you were cheating.
A whole year? A whole year.
Where was that at? You know where you were at.
You know where you were at, Angel. You do. Still lying. You're still lying. You're still lying about it. You're not gonna come clean? I came clean. What about you? It's your turn. I didn't.
This is what I deal with. So you've never cheated on her? Nah. Not once? No.
Yes, he has. Okay, well. Yes, he has.
Why is she so convinced then that you've cheated? I don't know.
Look, I have some exes that keep Hitting me up and like I can't get rid of 'em. They're like cockroaches, you know what I'm saying?
He's lying, he's lying. You're lying, Angel. No, I'm not lying.
I keep telling you, these bitches keep calling me.
What am I supposed to do?
When are you gonna be mature enough to just admit it, Angel? Just admit it.
So when they call you, do you call them back? Do you respond? At times when they call me on a new number, you know what I mean? So when they call from a new number is the only time, but if they're calling from a regular number, you don't respond?
Yes, Angel.
I'm not fucking with you. So why were you accusing her all of the time? Because if the shoe fits, you know what I mean?
Like, shit. No, he was deflecting.
I moved away, fucking an hour away. Why don't you just tell them the truth, Angel?
Just tell them the truth.
What's the truth?
That you're a liar and cheater.
I'm not a liar and a cheater.
You pushed me to cheat on you. You did this.
I pushed you?
It's my fault. It's your fault, Angel.
And I grabbed this man's ass and just started to punch? No.
You forced me to him. Fuck you.
Yeah, what's the sense of something?
You dropped the phone with the same hand you dropped the phone.
Are you hearing yourself?
I am hearing myself.
Are you hearing yourself?
Hold on. Do you hear yourself? I am hearing myself. Do you hear me though? First of all, do you understand how a conversation works, right? I talk and then you talk, okay? Okay, uh-huh. How is it my fault that you cheated on me?
I'm not gonna have a conversation if you're not gonna be honest. I'm not gonna listen to you, I'm not gonna allow you to speak, I'm not gonna hear anything if you don't be honest.
So how do you feel about the relationship?
I moved away on purpose? She's out and about doing her young shit.
You've known each other for 15 years. Yes. Why start a relationship 2 years ago?
Look, I'm not gonna lie to you. I love her. She's everything to me.
He was a good support system. I lost the father of my kids and I needed somebody to lean on. Got it. And so I leaned on him.
She's been the only thing like that, like she was put me together, you know what I mean?
So both of you needed each other in your most vulnerable times. She's been a support system. And so you decided to create a relationship out of that.
I said, let's try it, yeah.
Do you feel a sense of relief knowing this now that she's been cheating?
A sense of relief? I'm fucking fuming right now.
Yeah. You're pissed off. I'm pissed, beyond pissed.
Even though you do you.
You're pissed and you're fuming. You sat there and just admitted it to me.
I haven't admitted to shit 'cause I haven't done shit.
I don't know why you just wanna admit to it. You'll feel better. I feel much better now that I've came clean. Well, I'm glad you do.
Angel, you claim you have never cheated, so we unlocked your phone to find out. Well, Angel, you refused to unlock your phone. Hey! That's right.
Why you didn't unlock your phone if you didn't have nothing to hide, Angel? What are you hiding?
Nothing. You just continues to lie.
Why don't you come clean now? She's already admitted it. Just come clean, Angel.
So then why not unlock your phone if you feel as if—
Like I said, like I said, like those two women, they keep calling me and I do conversate with them once in a while.
Okay, so you have conversations. Nah, I don't know. So you have conversations. Have you had sex with them?
Yes, he has. Okay. Yes, he has. He absolutely has.
That's why you need to unlock your phone.
So why not just block women if you're saying they're such?
Come on now.
Why you don't block them, Angel? Because of the way shit going, you never know. I mean, seriously.
Exactly. Oh, so you wanna keep them holding on, keep them stringing along so that we just can't go right.
At this point in time, like, think about it.
Angel, I was so close to be on your side. I was like, hold on, maybe he really being honest up until this moment and up until you said that you keep communicating with them. So I would say that she's probably right that you probably are emotionally or physically cheating. I can't tell which is one. It ain't physically. Basically. So you're emotionally cheating.
Okay, so you're emotionally cheating. Thank you.
Okay, great.
So leave me alone. I see you taking words outta my mouth. Come on now. No, no, no, no, no, no. I asked you two questions.
You said you're not doing one, which then means you're doing the other. Angel, you know you're cheating.
You know you're sleeping with him.
Yes, you are. No, I'm not. That's why you wanna unlock your phone. If it was just old simple conversation, you'd unlock it. You're hiding something.
I'm not unlocking shit. You now know that she's talking to other men because she's checked out of this relationship. She sounds like she's been checked out of it. It sounds like since you moved an hour away that you're checked out as well.
I mean, I choose peace. Uh-huh. I choose me. I choose me.
Feeling peace. Feeling peace. As you should. So this is my thing. If you two met at a time when you were both vulnerable, means that there was an honesty and transparency there about who you are. So my question, because clearly this is about to end, so why not in the ending of the relationship say, "Let's get back to that." This is, I did it. She just did that. She's mimicking how you started. Which is in this instance healthy because she's saying, yeah, we got together, you knew all my baggage, you knew what was going on. Let me tell you. Now she's saying, as we end, here's all my baggage too. What she's allowing is for there to be a door to an opening of a friendship. Because if you support each other in your most vulnerable moment, there might be another moment where she could say, you know what, I can trust him. But what you're doing is the exact opposite. We know you're done, this relationship is done. So why not just give her the transparency so that you both could say, you know what, damn. We was both tight, man.
I did something, you did something.
Yes, I'm mad. Yes, you're mad. But okay, we're finished and let's keep going on. Don't you feel like that'd be a healthy way to end this?
I mean, right now I feel betrayed. I'm not gonna lie to you.
Like what I did. So what did you do?
It's on another level of what she did. Okay, then what did you do?
I spoke, I just, I conversated. Okay, and so you had an emotional affair?
If that's what you wanna call it.
What do you call it then?
I call it, I'm calling it Conversating with somebody.
And in those conversations, did you say things like, "I miss you, I love you, I think about you"? Never. Okay.
I'll tell you what they've said. They say, "Can you come over and smash?" And then? But no, I don't, I don't, that's not my get down.
And then what did you say? What did you say?
That's not my get down, homie.
And then what did you say?
That's not my get down. You've known me, oh, you just brush it off and play and you know, kind of joke out of it.
So there was playing and joking. In those playing and joking moments, what did you say?
I'm the, I'm the— It's okay.
No, he's getting choked up. Yeah. It's okay. You can be honest with her. She's just admitted. If you look—
I can't even look at her. Understand that?
Listen, we would know exactly what you said if you would've unlocked your phone. We could've given you exactly the clarity, but you didn't unlock your phone.
I'm a private person. I'm not gonna be, I'm not gonna go there.
You said that she was stuck between two things. The thing that you're stuck between is lying to yourself right now.
Thank you. And that's the truth. Thank you.
'Cause the thing is, is that I'm not gonna vilify you, same way I'm not gonna vilify y'all because y'all both been checked outta this relationship. She also, I just found out you changed your flight home to a different flight because you don't wanna fly next to him. Yeah, that's correct. Right? Yeah. So she didn't wanna fly next to him. So she did me a favor. Exactly. Well listen, I'm glad that you were able to be honest and forthright. You done, you checked out, you finished, right? Pretty much. Yes, yes, yes.
Pretty much, girl. Pretty much. Pretty much. Hold on, pretty much. Absolutely. Okay, absolutely, yeah. And you got your answers now.
You moved our way. I wish you and your exes the best of luck and I wish you and the guys you talking to the best of luck. Okay, thank you.
All right, yeah, let's go. All right, everyone make sure to come back so we can keep talking and growing.
I love you all. Listen, Karamo, it's been a situation for us for the last like 3 or 4 months. Yeah. Oh man. One thing after another, I found out that she was cheating. Maybe cheating, let me not say cheating, guys. Let me say maybe, 'cause I love my girl, you know what I'm saying?
I love her.
So, but found out her phone was locked. You know, we have locks on phones, right? But then you got a double lock. Yeah. And I ain't like that. So I'm like, why you got your messages locked? Yeah. So then I try to go to her pictures.
Another lot going again.
So when did you and Chelle start having issues?
About 3, 4 months ago. Let me tell you, our life been great.
We've been blessed. How long y'all been together? About 3 years now. 3 years, okay. So what changed 3 or 4 months ago?
Okay, so we're kind of like not open, but we allow ourselves to be honest with each other since day one, whatever we had going on. So a friend of hers or an ex of hers was locked up. She was talking to him from jail. For a while and he just came home 3, 4 months ago.
Got it. So I need to get that clarity. So you say we're not open, but you're honest. What does that mean?
We're honest.
We're transparent. Very transparent.
And just about feelings?
Feelings. Desire. Everything. Desires. We do stuff together.
Okay, but together you can have fun. Together.
Together. Got it. So the boundary is together. Together. And then you can share if you might think somebody else is attractive, but you're not acting on it unless I'm there. Exactly. Got it. Okay then. You told my producers that you had a You got a cheat sheet? I do. What's that?
Let me see.
You got this cheat sheet up? I don't know what the cheat sheet is. Let's go to this cheat sheet, y'all.
Let's go to this cheat sheet. Messing with her ex.
Uh-huh. She used our coworker to lie about her going out. Okay. Changing passwords. Uh-huh.
And shady social media.
Oh yeah.
I don't know what the shady— I don't know about that.
That's—
I mean, that's the things that I say, that's the red flags to me. If you doing any of that stuff, that's— I feel like it. That's the tea tea for sure.
Okay, so tell us about this ex.
Well, this ex, he's not, listen guys, the ex is okay. It's not a bad thing. It's just that the way she's moving with the ex. He calls, you wanna put your earphone in and the expression, the face expression is crazy. Like she is like, you could tell when he calls, she, you know what I'm saying? I'm just like, damn, you supposed to be like that for me. You know what I'm saying?
So that's a problem. And the ex just got outta jail, right? Yes, he did. Mm. Okay, thank God he got it. I can hear Chelle back there. Yeah.
Y'all hear Chelle back there? Yeah, she a character, y'all, lemme tell you.
So how does Chelle use her coworkers to cheat? 'Cause I saw that on the cheat sheet.
So basically we work at Pizza Hut together. She works two jobs. So this particular day she said she was going to work to help out a coworker. I said, "Okay, cool." We was out doing our thing, we come home, she changed her clothes and we, Pizza Hut closed at 12. Yeah. So we texting like we normally do, whatever, whatever. I get to calling, she ain't answer her phone. Now guys, we always on the phone at work. Yeah. Don't matter if it's busy or not. Yeah. We at work, we go on the phone. Yeah. She ain't answering the phone, she ain't texting me back, but I understand why she not texting me back. We working, right? Yeah, of course. So 12 o'clock hits, no Chelle. 1 o'clock hits, no Chelle. 2 o'clock hit, no Chelle. So I'm like, okay, what's going on? So I hit my coworker up like, what's going on? She like, I don't wanna get involved with y'all. I don't want Shell to be mad at me. I don't want her to be mad at you. I said, listen, you ain't got nothing to do with this. I need to know if Shell's there. Did she work today? Yeah. So she said, I'm gonna tell you the truth. No, she did not. Please don't be mad at me. So then listen, I said, okay. So I hit Shell up. I said, Shell, where you at? Oh, we just closing the store. I'm coming. I said, okay. So I get mad, of course. Here it comes. She come in the house, we get whatever, whatever. And she trying to say that she went to work. You can't say you went to work when I got people saying you didn't go to work.
And you already know that you weren't at work today.
So that was the situation. So hold on, with the cheat sheet, you also said her social media is shady.
So the shadiness with the social media is she just told me the other day, and I never thought about it. She just told me the other day the reason why I can't see it. Nobody can see her social media, right? But I'm like, well, why can I not see? Because I wanna see what people saying to you. You know, she beautiful, y'all. You know, she's crazy. So what you saying?
You mean like she got you blocked?
I don't think she got me blocked.
She says— But you can't see the comments?
You heard her, y'all. I don't think I'm blocked.
I don't think I'm blocked.
But you can't see her comments? I can't see her comments.
I can't see nothing. Just everything she posts and everything she say. That's it.
Okay, got it. So how would you describe your relationship?
I mean, like before this situation, it was per— She say nothing is perfect, but in my world, it was perfect. Yeah. It was perfect. Like I love my girl, you know what I'm saying? She's amazing. She works two jobs, she take care of the kids, she cooks, She's amazing, you know? It's just this right here that's making us go south.
So has this always been an exclusive relationship? Well, no, not exclusive, 'cause y'all said y'all have the open together. Yeah. Okay then. When did y'all decide to do that? Since day one. Since day one? Okay then. So you've always had this agreement that y'all could be open if you played together? Yes. Great. Okay, grown folks. I love it. Yes. Listen, I like when grown folks set boundaries of their relationship. As long as it work for y'all, it work for me. Yes. But your issue is, What you're telling me is you feel like the boundaries to be set, something ain't right. Something ain't right. Got it. So what's on the line if it comes back that Chelle's cheating?
Listen, y'all, I already said, listen, if she did, I'm still gonna take her back. We can work through this. Okay. It's kids involved. We got kids. I don't wanna not break up because I just wanna get through this and move forward.
Got it. Well, let's hope.
I'm willing to work, you know.
Well, it wouldn't be you to do the work. It was both of us. It'd be her. It'd be her. Okay. But let's hope that she's done nothing. Let's hear her side of the story. So everyone, welcome Chelle to the show.
Hi, Chelle. Pull that cheat sheet up, please.
Let's talk about the cheat sheet since we cheating.
Chelle said no, we need to cook a rack.
Number 1, messing with the ex. I can have a friend. I can have a friend. You can. Don't, uh-uh, I'm just being honest.
They judgmental. They not gonna be on your title tag.
I'm just saying, I can have a friend as long as I'm being transparent and I've been transparent since the beginning. If that's our dynamic.
She said that you put the headphones in.
She gotta hear every conversation. She ain't always been hearing every conversation. Using coworkers, why is you asking them what I'm doing? When you out with your friends, I don't call your friends and ask what you doing. That's crazy. You said she went to a mall. Hold on.
No, back, she's gonna drop that tweet.
She's out till 8 in the morning. She's out till 8 in the morning. But you know where I'm at. I didn't call her friends and say, where y'all at? At the nightclub.
She knows where I'm at.
Hold on, you know that is direct gaslighting you just did right there.
Let's just do it. You just said, hold on, hold on, no. You just said, Nikki, you talking about—
We're being honest, we're being honest.
I'll take my accountability, that's gaslighting. So let me see the password. Change the password.
Change the password. Let's get this understood. Her and my children had my password until she changed it 'cause I was insecure. 2 years ago. And so she never changed it back. So then I did what she did. I told her, When the roles was reversed, I wanted to be the same. I was insecure and my insecurities were not fixed. They were just ignored.
Oh, she didn't honor them. Of course not.
That's why we're here. Let's go to shady social media. No, it's been this way since I was in a bad relationship 8 years ago. You don't need to see what somebody posts on my wall. My comments is open. Why do you gotta see what somebody posted to me? What? That don't make sense. And are you single? Are you single? No, I'm not single. But at the same time, do you guys see everything that somebody posts to me? No. Why did you change your password if I could?
I changed the password 2 years ago because, this is why I changed the password 2 years ago.
Because I was insecure.
Because she was insecure. No, I didn't know that was insecurity, guys. What I thought was, she was trying to find something, there was nothing to be found. When I say, every time I leave the phone, she's going to the phone picking up and I'm catching you.
And I'm laughing like, why are you going in this phone? What are you trying to find?
I'm doing it in your face so that I'm not sneaking in your phone.
I'm doing it in your face. No, she's just saying—
Okay, so my question is, this is just for everybody. If you did something unfaithful, why would I not wanna go through your phone? I did something— And so if you did something wrong, of course I'm gonna look for something else.
I did something wrong in the beginning of our relationship, guys, to help out a situation for us. No, it was wrong. Okay, it was wrong. But I did it for what I did it for, for the family. It wasn't for no passionate, it wasn't for the love, it wasn't, I didn't even know this person. You get what I'm saying? Read between the lines.
But it was all right?
But no, it was not all right.
So isn't that the same thing as you not letting Kova see your post? When you're like not letting her on your phone?
But what I'm saying is I did this after the fact. I'm not saying that that's not what I'm doing, but what I'm saying is you never fix what I actually You to fix. So why am I fixing what you want me to fix? Okay, you did this in our first 3 months and we've been together 3 years and I'm still feeling insecure 3 years later. That means it was never fixed, right? You got it. And so then, so then the person that she snuck with got on another person's page to message her. Yes, she told me, but if it was nothing, you didn't have no feel— why the hell is he getting on a woman's page to message you? Because that's his feelings, not mine. Because it's too, it's too much.
Let me ask you this, who bust Who busted the hole in the wall? Me.
Oh yeah, bring that up, Karamo. Oh yeah, I did that. I did that. Let me tell you why I did it. You ain't paying all the bills, don't do that.
Who ain't paying all the bills?
You ain't paying all the bills. Don't do that. Don't do that. Okay.
So who's gonna have to pay for that? I am. Girl, [MASKED]. I am. I'm sorry.
Girl, bye. I am, I am.
Girl, bye. So why you do that?
I did that because this is another situation where I woke up and she wasn't home at 2, 3 o'clock in the morning.
Yeah.
And she said she was out with a friend for some friends, but she don't know these friends.
She don't know no friends, y'all. I can be out with friends.
She was not out with no friends.
Let me tell you why. I can be out with friends.
Let me tell you why she wasn't out with no friends. Because these people that she was out, she just met. Yeah. She don't like people. Let me tell y'all that.
She don't like people.
So the people at her job, she said— I got two jobs.
She didn't— and in college.
Mr. Speedway, she was at.
She tried to say she was out drinking.
She don't drink, Karamo. Uh-huh. So what you out drinking with friends for?
So when I got out, I got mad.
And when I got mad, I punched a hole in the wall. That's what happened.
So the two of you work at the same place. One of our jobs. Okay, how do you work together if you fight like this?
We don't work together.
We don't fight like this at work. We're very professional. This is at home.
This is at home.
Oh, we don't fight at home either.
This doesn't carry over to work.
No, she did that when I wasn't there.
She wasn't there and them kids were sleeping. This is 3 o'clock in the morning.
Got it. Okay then. So Chelle, are you cheating on Koba?
Is it cheating if we're open? Is it cheating if we're open?
I'm just asking. No. Is it cheating if we're open?
Yes. Yeah.
Yes, because you didn't let me know. Okay, that might be. She didn't let me know neither.
What you mean? I'm asking.
Okay.
You didn't fix what I needed to be fixed in that relationship. But I've been trying. And as a person, as a human being, What is trying? What you mean? I'm giving you all I can give is me. I'm giving you all I can give. I'm listening, y'all, because you're giving what you can give.
Here is that statement. I think it's time to unlock the phone. Let go. [APPLAUSE] Chell, we unlocked your phone.
Yeah, don't you think that's crazy? Somebody done cheated on me and they ain't unlock too? Shouldn't we both unlock if she's already been?
Why did you request it?
I did request it. I did request it too.
You didn't say nothing to me until we got to the shop.
I requested it and she acted like she didn't know that I wanted it done. No, she don't.
And then when I made it a problem last night, then it was, then it was, oh, we don't know how to do it. Here we go. We're gonna start with this yours.
All right, so Koba, you wanna know if Chelle has any hidden apps on her phone? Hell no. Chelle says, She does not. My locked phone investigator searched her apps and found that Shell is telling the truth. Yeah, I knew that.
I knew that. These messages they find, girl, I don't delete. It's my phone. I paid his bill. I don't delete nothing. I don't hide nothing.
All right, Koba, you wanna know if Shell is communicating with a specific ex.
It is, 'cause you said I answer the calls. My locked phone investigator searched her calls and found that Shell is not telling the truth. My investigator found 48 calls between Shell and this specific ex.
In 3 months, 48 ain't bad.
7 calls were made as recent as 2 days ago.
7 calls 2 days ago.
All right, Koba, you wanna know if Chell is direct messaging any other men.
Chell says she is not. My locked phone investigator searched her DMs. I'm not gonna lie.
And found that Chell— Is what?
Is not telling the truth. My investigator found 2,936 direct messages between Chell and 6 men. 16 other men.
Several of these— 16 other men?
16 other men. Several of the messages contained explicit photos being shared. Of course. You already know that.
Okay, okay, okay. Let me see these.
Let me see these.
Can I see one? Can you pass these out?
Pass these. Karamo, let me see these. Perfect. Get ready to shake that ass for daddy then.
Yes. Ooh. I need your— And then there was a video call. Call me. And then a video call again. Yeah, exactly.
And what we doing 4 minutes and 44 seconds? What the? What are you talking about? Girl, what? So this is— Oh! Oh! OK. Wait a minute. Oh, boy. Oh, my God.
I didn't film it. OK. OK. OK.
That's all right. Uh-huh.
Uh-huh. And in my defense— Damn! In my defense, in my defense, none of these are new. No, there's 2 of them in there. It's timestamps I use. What's this? What's them called? What's this? Oh, I don't know who the fuck that is, but I didn't need, I don't know. It don't even matter because I didn't do it, so it don't matter. We don't get pictures.
This is crazy. We don't get pictures.
I'm just saying, we don't get pictures.
So let me just clarify, is this relationship open or closed? It's open.
Exactly, and then she telling these people that we want a third. I'm just asking. How do we want a third if y'all already insecure with somebody that can't come see me, that can't leave the state that they're in?
Can I tell you something?
A third ain't gonna work. I have some real direct advice for y'all 'cause I think you're funny. You've already told me that you wanna stay together. Yeah. So I can tell that this is a relationship that you both wanna stay in. Yeah.
Is that true for you as well? I love Kova.
Okay. Well, just to let you know, before I give my advice, Chelle, my producers say you actually didn't request to unlock Kova's phone. That's why we— Yes, you did. No, no, no. That's why we didn't do it.
What I did was I told one of the people And I said it's crazy that somebody wants to unlock my phone and didn't wanna unlock hers.
But that's not a request. You gotta say it. You gotta say it. And then she said we can unlock hers.
I said it was no point because—
Oh, so you did say it was no point.
Yeah, it's no point because if she ain't leaving and I'm not leaving, what are we unlocking phones for?
I think the problem of this relationship is actually too much access because here we go. Too much access in a relationship can cause an issue. And I think sometimes people mistake transparency and openness for something that could be healthy but it can go very toxic very quickly. You want my honest opinion? I do, Scorpio twin. Okay, I see you.
I do.
Y'all need to not be open. Y'all need to take a moment to get back to the basics and reconnect with each other. Because what y'all have to do is y'all have to figure out first, the conversation y'all have to get home and say to each other is what do we want our foundation to look like? Because y'all didn't have that conversation in the beginning. Go back and say, I forgive you for everything in the past, you forgive me, but what do we want this to look like? Is it okay if I talk to an ex? Is it okay if you talk to an ex? What would that look like? And like, don't make it be like, well, you tell me everything because what we've already seen is that don't work for y'all. There needs to be some healthy mystery in this relationship. Okay. So go back, rebuild the foundation. I think this can work out. I can see the love. I know y'all want a family. Y'all clearly have a lot of fun together.
We do.
So, so just rebuild the house. From the bottom up, okay? I believe in y'all.
I'm gonna check up on y'all, all right?
Listen, I wish y'all the best of luck.
Thank y'all for coming on. So I met him, let's see, I met him at a bar. I don't usually go out. And see, I had an empty nest.
Okay.
So 2 weeks later, he ended up getting kicked out from where he was staying. So he had to move in with me. Now I already— He didn't have to. I know. I know. Okay. So I allowed him to move in with me, right?
Yeah, yeah.
Against my better judgment. Now I don't usually move that fast, but I hadn't lived with a man for 20 years, my son was out the house, and Stella had to get her groove back, okay?
Amen to that. Amen to that. Okay.
And see, he was supposed to be a good time, not a long time. Uh-huh. Then, you know, he got up in the house and he was like fixing my faucets, washing my dishes and stuff, making up the bed, running bath water, you know, trying to be a little housekeeper and stuff. Yeah, yeah.
So, okay. Got you caught up.
Got me, yes, got me caught up. Yeah. Okay, so what happened was after a while I had to tell Steven that he needs to get a job.
Yes. Right? 'Cause how long was he in there just housekeeping and not working?
I'll say about 2 months.
Oof. About 2 months, right?
2 months and no checks is real. Okay.
So I started putting the pressure on him. Yeah. And so he did comply. Okay. He got a job. But here's the thing, Karamo, I got my own business, okay? And I own my own house. Mm-hmm. Steven thought that, well, why not I work with you? Nah, nah. So let's fast forward. Now this were the issues. This is where the real downfall of the relationship came. Okay, so I had the idea to sign up, sign him up for Uber, and I did the whole thing. Put on the computer, downloading the app, everything. He just sat there and watched me every time I do something for him. It really turns him on. He like, "Oh baby, I love you so much." Uh-uh, okay, that is not cute. That is not cute, okay? I'm 48 years old. That's not cute to me. Yeah. Okay, so he started driving Uber. Now here's the thing. Now I gotta tell y'all about this Uber. I've been wanting to tell you about this. Yeah. Rideshare. Uh-huh. For a long time. Okay, so $400 a week, renting a car, supposed to be a temporary situation. Do you know as soon as he got a job, Like I think probably first week or two, he done went and got a girl phone number. Oh.
Hold up, so when did you realize he was getting numbers from the Uber clients? Oh, immediately.
And I called the number, 'cause I was going through that phone.
Yeah.
I called the number and she go say, "Well, he said y'all living like roommates." So what needs to happen to make your relationship work?
Well, let me tell y'all the good stuff about him first before we make the decision. Damn, they just want me to get rid of him.
Listen, they judgmental, girl. But you know what?
Honestly, I mean honestly, they right. Okay, so what does it take to make it work? I need you to talk to him. 'Cause look, he don't listen to me, right? But then when we be watching you on TV, he be like, "Uh-huh, uh-huh." Okay, so I'm not sure, Karamo. I don't know if it could work.
Let me see, let me see. He said, "Let me hear both sides and then I'll see what's going on right now." So I think it's time to meet Steven. So everyone, please help me welcome Steven to the show.
Oh no, no.
Get your girl, get your girl. I can't get no girl.
Yeah, no, no, not after all that. So first of all, yeah.
Oh, I know he heard it.
It's two sides to everything.
Every story, I'm ready to hear it. Exactly.
And so the things that she's saying, I'm not gonna even dispute, okay? I'm the one in this relationship that fuses things. Okay. Okay, the things that she's saying about me, I'll say this, the driving situation when you have to get up and go to work and you're using your transportation, you have to have a straight state of mind whereas you want to be safety with people and everything. You wanna have your mindset so I have to leave the house every day arguing with Selena.
Oh yeah? Arguing for me?
No, nope, nope, you ain't finna— Nope!
This is what I have to do.
I can't get a word in. Got it. You see this? Uh-huh. I deal with animation all day. I feel like I'm in Groundhog Day. Yeah. And I want to get out.
Got it. You understand? Uh-huh.
I feel like I'm living with a boss instead of a partner.
OK. You know what I'm saying?
She's a dictator in our relationship. She's the prosecutor, the judge, the jury, executioner, everything.
Steven is a driver. So Saniyya, how many stars would you give him in this movie? You give this relationship? That's what we do.
I'm just trying to get a foundation again.
I guess 3, like—
You give him 3 stars? Yeah. Okay, okay.
I'm a 5-star guy, stop it.
I mean, 'cause Karamo, he does have a lot of good qualities. Like, I have never had a man where like I feel protected with Steven.
I got a sense of that from the beginning when you told me how he moved in and you felt like, and he started doing all these things around the house. I could tell that you, here you go, love. I could tell that there was, he gave you sense of security and safety. I could tell that immediately. Yeah.
When we first met, we were taken by each other.
By the way, I'm not done. I wanna know how many stars you gonna give her.
Honestly, I could never, I just can't bring myself to really just put Selena down. I can't. I just can't. That's just my love for her.
I just cannot. I just cannot.
So I'll give her a 4.5.
4.5. OK then. OK.
Steven, you have two phones, and we unlocked both of them. Oh my God. Will we find anything in your phone?
Well, yes, you might find some stuff. But I'll say this, there's nothing in it, not a thing that she doesn't know about and that we haven't talked about. Okay. Okay.
What will you do if we find something in hers?
Well, it will give me clarity on some things because remember, she's the boss, the warden, the executioner, you know. She goes through my phone. The reason why she knows what's in my phone, 'cause she go, she has my code, everything.
No, that's past tense. He be, no, you be You be capping.
I'm not capping. I got one better for you. When I met her, she went in my phone for the last however long you can go back in 'em. She went through all of that.
And so she's been treating me— Because I want to see—
No, stop, stop.
I want to see his character. Stop. Character.
So this is, so you want to see, so you want to see about him before, you want to see who he was before y'all got together. Your integrity. Okay.
You know, I'm like, what type of person that you are? It's not about how you treat me.
But you wanna see if there's gonna be any patterns as well to see what's going on. Okay. Well listen, I think it's time to unlock the phone.
Unlock the phone.
Uh, Senia, we unlocked your phone, so here we go.
You look better when it's on TV watching somebody else go through it.
Exactly.
All right, Steven, you wanna know if Senia has been sending or receiving photos of other men. Soneena says she is not. My locked phone investigator searched her photos and found that Soneena is telling the truth.
[APPLAUSE] Steven, you wanna know if Soneena has been calling other men.
Soneena says she is not. [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] My locked phone investigator searched her calls and found that Soneena is not telling the truth. [APPLAUSE] My investigator found 12 calls in the past 2 months 2 months with a man named Damon?
Oh, that's exactly who I said it was. Yeah.
Yeah.
And you been telling me you haven't. And this is the integrity you talk about?
I did not tell you I haven't talked about it.
He was the only one she don't talk about. She talk about the other ones 'cause she know they ain't too, you know. Yeah. Yeah, but this guy, and I'm real cool, okay? But what about this Damon?
He said in the past 2 months Steven. Okay, did y'all see any text messages between me and Dave?
No, let him do his show, come on. Y'all been talking, okay.
Yeah, we talk. Listen, so Steven wants to know. We do this all the time, it's your turn. So Steven wants to know if Sonequa has been texting other men.
Sonequa says she is not.
My locked phone investigator searched her texts and found that Sonequa is not telling the truth.
My investigator found 384 texts Two different men, Damon and then also [MASKED] in the past year and a half. So you know about [MASKED]? Yeah, I know about [MASKED]. And you just learned about Damon more?
No, I been knew about Damon.
But you didn't think it was going this deep?
She was lying because I asked her, I always inquire about him because [MASKED], come on now, if you talking about the same person all the time, I know it ain't nothing happening with that. It's the one you don't talk about. Stop playing with me.
So what's going on between you and Damon?
Stop playing. First of all, Karamo, nothing's going on between me and Damon. And he knows that—
No I don't! This is why I wanted this back. Stop playing with me.
He knows that I talk to other guys.
No I don't, I'm not in her skin. Listen, can I finish? Yes you can, absolutely, absolutely.
Steven knows that I talked to other guys and I don't have any problem with Steven talking to other women.
If you believe that, you live in Santa Claus land.
No no no no no no no!
You believe it. No, no, 'cause no, no, 'cause here's the thing.
So you're saying that you two are in an open relationship?
No. No. No. You're not? Okay, so what do y'all talk about?
We talk about like his son or he just be calling to see what's been going on with me. I do not have inappropriate conversations with no man.
Are you getting emotionally attached to Damon? No, absolutely not.
He's already there. I used to, no, no.
Damon is not even considered an ex. I'm not— I'm not— I'm not— I'm not—
That's, that's that.
Yeah, call up. Yeah, hey baby booby.
Were y'all dating? You and Danny? I ain't trying to hear all that.
Yeah, we were dating, and we were dating, uh, when I was doing a little bit more than that. We had just started back talking to each other.
Oh, so at the beginning of the relationship, y'all were still talking? Did you know they were talking in the beginning?
She shared, she shared it. She said when I came around, everybody moved out the way.
I, I couldn't—
Yeah, and it's It's been nothing but Steven ever since.
But y'all talk.
We absolutely talk. So you did restart it.
Because we talk on the phone? Yeah.
Friendship. Friendship. I swear to God.
No coaching.
They not, listen, listen, no, no, no. Y'all trying to coach our girl? Y'all trying to coach our girl? Listen, how y'all gonna be biased like that on the front row like that? They trying to coach her. Put all of them on camera right here. We need y'all to know. I know that these three right here are trying to coach, they trying to coach, they trying to coach her and give her some things to say.
And she has these friends that she can talk.
No, so this is, so, and also, Karamo.
Why didn't you end the relationship if there was a sexual relationship and you felt you had some emotion with him? Why would you keep it lingering?
There is no emotion with me and any other guy. I have no emotion. Emotional connection. You can see in my phone, Damon will text and say, "How you doing?" Whatever.
Okay, listen, I'm also, this thing is I'm not accusing. What I'm trying to do now is 'cause y'all said y'all wanna come here, you want me to get all the facts so I can tell y'all my opinion.
Solutions, yes.
So that's 384 texts in what, 3, how many years?
That was in a year and a half.
That can't be. It was. That in a year and a half?
A year and a half, that's what it was.
In the past year and a half. Come on, coaches. Come on, coaches.
Coach her.
She needs your help right now.
Okay, well listen, okay, I think I got enough facts about that.
All right, so Stephen, we unlocked your phone.
Bye.
So Nina, you want to specifically want to know if Stephen has done anything in the past 2 weeks. That has been your biggest concern, the past 2 weeks, right? Yeah. She knows.
Okay then.
All right, so Stephen, we unlocked your phone. Here we go.
Sanina, you wanna know if Steven has been calling other women.
Steven says he has not. My locked-up phone investigator searched his calls and found that Steven is telling the truth.
You knew that one already.
You knew that one already, okay.
You knew that one already, all right then.
All right, Sanina, you wanna know if Steven has any photos of other women. Steven says he does not. My locked-up phone investigator searched his photos and found that Steven is not telling the truth. Steven has 29 combined photos of other women on his phone sent via text. In the last 2 weeks? Some in the last 2 weeks, some in the last 2 weeks.
I bet you she know who it is.
She goes through my freaking phone. So you know who it is.
Not this new phone. Not the new phone. He didn't give me the code to the new phone. Okay then.
I have talked to other people, but I have not cheated.
Oh, you gotta be kidding.
I cheated on you, Shanina? Honestly, look at these people and tell 'em I cheated on you.
Emotionally cheating, is that cheating?
Yeah. Talking about me to other bitches, 'cause that's what he does. Hold on, but I'ma tell you.
Now wait, remember the two sides to everything? I come from a place where, I'ma be honest, totally, I have never been in a relationship where I was straight.
I believe that. That's the truth.
I believe that. I've been in relationships where we've cheated on each other. I've never put so much work into somebody in my life.
I believe that.
I believe that. So that's growth for me.
He telling the truth.
I don't know about y'all, but that's growth for me.
Okay, get back to the doc.
I have not cheated on her. All right, so, Sadiqa, you wanna know if Steven has been texting other women.
Steven says he is not. My life of phone investigator searched his texts and found that Steven is not telling the truth.
Steven has 274 texts from other women.
In both of his phones, but none from the past 2 weeks. Okay then, so—
She knows about everything. So the ones that are in here, let me see, Ralph.
So within the last 15 days. So it wasn't nobody. All of this in the past year and a half. Okay then, okay.
Now mind you, we just got back together. No, we just got back together. We only been back together 6 months. Okay, what has it been, 5?
We still ain't back together till Karamo tell us we really sure we back together.
Okay, oh well that's fine.
We just been at it, just been at it.
So you want me to tell you if you should stay together or break up? Yeah. And I'm gonna tell you point blank, you two should stay apart. Okay. But I actually think there's a path to getting back together. I agree. The only lesson I'm gonna give y'all is instead of y'all sitting here and questioning each other and trying to tear down the home If you really want this, stop kicking the bricks out. So when she does something or he does something, say you just kicked another brick out the house. And let that be the sort of mantra you use to get y'all back together to say, hold on.
I'll do that. Yeah, thank you. I'm trying to give y'all a little something.
You need some intense help, Karamo.
You two are either riding with each other or not riding at all. And I want y'all to ride with each other. So please take my advice. I do. I do, I really like Steve.
Y'all a bunch of fun. I come over your house and have a good time with both of y'all. Y'all a good time. Y'all a good time. I just wish that that foundation was not broken in year one.
And I think we can do this. But y'all gotta realize, y'all gotta start building it again. Trust me, if y'all can do that, y'all can start taking the steps back together.
All right?
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