Will My Brother Choose His Wife or His Mistress? | KARAMO

So you're here to expose your brother?

Yes, so my brother, he's been cheating on his wife.

Oh.

Not just that, he's cheating, like cheating, cheating. Like he's cheating on his wife, he's cheating on the girlfriend that he's with. It's just crazy and I'm stuck in the middle and I'm tired of it.

Oh my gosh, okay. So what was your final straw that made you say you're tired of it?

He left his wife in the hospital and said, "Oh, I'm coming right back." And he never came back.

What?

And when he left, do you think he was with another woman?

I know he was. I know he was.

So why do you think he's lying so much?

I know my brother. This is my brother. You know, we're Irish twins. But my brother, he says things like, I'll be right back. It didn't happen. That's not the truth. But then he'll call me, he'll put me in the middle of it. And then, you know, I have the wife calling me, the wife calling the girlfriend.

So he's putting you in the middle of this?

Yes.

Got it.

They both are.

Oh, got it. And how long has he been cheating on his wife?

That I know for a fact, a year.

A year. One year cheating. Okay then. And you told producers you think your brother's cheating on both women?

Yes.

Okay. And what proof do you have for that?

I think that he's cheating on both women because his wife will call me and she's like, "Is Eric, you know, is he with you?" And I'm like, "No." She says, "Well, I called his mistress and he's not there." He says things like, "Oh, I flew out to hang out with my sister because I live in another state." That's not true. He has not been out to see me.

Got it.

I go to see him.

Yeah. So why does this bother you so much?

'Cause that's my brother. That's not who I seen growing up. He was my example of what a man should be like. My brother was strong, he was positive. He always told me if a man don't do this for you, tell you if a man doesn't treat you right, you need to leave. But then he does the exact same things he tell me not to accept from a man. I literally base my marriage off of who my brother used to be.

Got it.

And my husband is awesome, but my brother has made a whole 360.

Got it, okay. Are you close to his wife?

I am. She is amazing.

'Cause how long have they been married?

13 going on 14 years.

Oh yeah, so this is like family to you too.

Yes, she is.

Yeah, okay then. Do you have a relationship with the other woman?

No, not at all. She is a— Listen, I've only had 2 conversations with her through text message. And the one time I text her, I guess she put the phone in her pocket and I texted and told her, "Watch who you butt dial." Because I heard everything she was saying. She was saying she didn't care. I don't give a care about her. That's not my sister. She could die.

Oh.

So, and I told him this and then he went right back to her, Karamo.

Wow. Okay, so what do you want him to do today?

He's drinking way too much. I want him to stop drinking.

Okay.

I want him to choose. I don't care. That's at the end of the day, that's my brother. I don't care who he choose to be with, but he need to choose. And I need him to stop lying and cheating. I need him to be real with who he is. Just choose who you want to be with.

Got it.

You asked my Unlock the Phone investigator to unlock his phone. Why?

Because I think it's more than just the wife and the girlfriend. I absolutely think it is.

Okay then. Well, I think it's time to meet your brother Eric and hear his side of the story. So everyone please welcome Eric to the show. Hey Eric, how you doing?

I'm sorry.

How are you?

Thank you for being here today.

Yeah.

Take a seat for me. So did you leave your wife while she was at the hospital?

Yes.

You did, okay. And where did you go?

Actually, I went by my friend's house and my wife—

You're lying.

It's true, I'm not lying, it's the truth. Go ahead. And my wife called me and said, "Go be with that so-and-so." You got it, okay. And after a while you get tired of hearing that.

Okay.

And so I went with so-and-so.

So you went with the other woman? Yes. Got it. Eric, are you involved with two women at the same time?

Yes.

So your wife and two other women or just your wife and one other woman?

My wife and one other woman.

Okay. And so you are cheating on your wife?

It's not cheating if they both know.

Okay.

Oh.

Okay.

Oh, wow.

So they both know?

They both know about each other since the beginning.

And they're both comfortable with it?

How can I explain? I'll give you a story, okay? So this is how it happened. Truth. See, you don't know this part.

Don't "uh" me.

So the beginning was this here. Me and my wife was trying to spice up our relationship at first. And my wife reached out to Lady. And Lady responded to me. And told me, hey, 'cause she's been knowing me for years, and said, hey, your wife is trying to get with me. I said, do it.

You're nasty.

I am nasty, you know that already.

Okay, we have your wife on the phone and she's been listening to this entire time. To everyone, please welcome Erin to the show. Erin, how are you doing?

Hi, Karamo, I'm much better.

How are you feeling right now?

I'm much better than a few days ago.

Okay. What happened while you were in the hospital?

I was left by myself. He told me he was coming back and my son called me and told me he was packing his stuff. And then all of a sudden he didn't answer. I did not tell him to go be with that so-and-so. I told him, tell that so-and-so I said hi, because I already knew he was lying.

Did you know that Eric was cheating on you?

Yes, he's been going back and forth with the same girl for about 2 years. Whether or not there's anybody else, I don't know. But every time he goes back and forth, he tells me that he stopped talking to her. It's all lies.

Okay, and how many times in your opinion has Eric cheated on you?

Oh God, it's been numerous times.

Okay, can I ask you a question? Because he said that with the woman he's currently with, that he's cheating on you with, that you initially engaged with her to try to spice up the relationship. Is that true?

That is true. However, then behind my back, they started talking, just them.

Got it. Okay then. Okay. Well, earlier you didn't believe him when he said that.

You said— What I said, Mr. Karamo, was you nasty.

You did. But you also said, don't lie on my sister-in-law.

I said, don't lie on my sister-in-law.

Yeah, you said don't lie. Yeah.

So you lied to Ms. Sharon.

I did not lie.

He was not lying.

I didn't lie to you. You said, "Eric, we gotta end this." I never told you that part, but I never lied to you.

So, Erin, can I ask you this? What do you want from Eric?

I want him to put that bottle down and be the man, husband, and father that he's supposed to be.

So why do you still wanna work on your marriage?

Because my marriage and family are the most important things to me. When I signed up for this, I signed up for life. It wasn't just a few-year run. I made sure that getting married was what I wanted to do, which is why we've been married for 6 years, together almost 14.

Are you okay with him having a girlfriend?

No, I don't like her. She's nasty.

Let's keep all the vulgarities and everything like that, all that extra stuff out the game, you know what I mean?

Oh, she must be in the audience, huh?

No, she's not in the audience.

Alice, can I ask you a question?

You can.

Is she in the audience?

Oh yeah, and Miss Nasty here. Oh, Miss Nasty is here. I just looked on out there and saw her.

Okay, so my producer telling me right now, Eric, you travel to the show with your girlfriend Lady. Lady, can you— are you here?

She don't want to stand up.

Hi, Lady, how are you doing? Um, nice to meet you, but I'm not Yeah, nice to meet everybody. So, I knew—

This situation has nothing to do with her.

I knew, I knew it when you rushed me off the phone last night, Taco Bay. You gotta eat.

I was eating.

Nah, you never rush me off the phone.

And the way you were responding to my messages last night, I told you she was with you and enjoy your getaway.

Erin, is there anything that you wanna say to Lady since she's here?

She'll never be around my child.

Period. But see, that's what y'all fail to realize. If I choose to be with her.

You choosing to be with somebody else? No, no, no, Jo, don't do that.

I didn't fail to realize because you lied to me the whole time that my daughter was staying with you. My daughter was not supposed to be there. I thought my daughter was coming out and I was gonna be there.

You just say you don't care if I die, you know, like none of his family.

To begin with.

You say you can't stand none of his family. You see, you butt dial me. I text you back, I know you read it. Miss Nasty, and I told you to tell him, did I not? Did I not? Did I not tell you to tell him that? Can I ask you a question?

Excuse me, I'm sorry. Well, no, I wanna ask you a question. And I understand why his wife might have these feelings. Why are you disrespecting her?

She butt-dialed me after I text her and asked her to tell my brother to call because one, I knew where he was and I couldn't get in touch with him. He go on a hiatus where he stop answering his phone. For everybody when he goes by her, okay? Me and my brother, the whole family— Excuse me, Aaron, stop cutting. Sorry. So me and my brother talk every day, okay? My brother is my best friend. I am my brother's keeper. My brother showed me what a man was supposed to— how a man was supposed to stand and be strong for his family. He showed me these things, okay?

I get that, but that's a lot of pressure to put on him for that, so I'm going to stop saying that narrative. Erin, I gotta ask you this. Is your issue with the specific girlfriend or can he not have a girlfriend at all? 'Cause I wanna be clear. Is it an issue with Karamo?

I'm not okay with him having a girlfriend at all, but I definitely don't like her. She's disrespectful.

Okay. Okay.

He's given her way too much power.

I don't give nobody power over me.

Yes, you did.

That's what you don't get. Nobody gets it.

You gave her the power to disrespect your wife, your child, your entire family. You give up your whole family.

Aaron, Aaron, let's put this this way. Hold on, I wanna say something. I wanna say something. You involve my family in our business. That's your MO.

No.

Yes, you do. You do.

You do. When you stop answering the phone, you don't talk to none of them when you right there.

Time out. I wanna say something here, ready?

You're not allowed to talk to them.

Watch this here, watch this here. I just wanna say something. See, I can't ever speak with nobody.

So this is what my thoughts are, okay? And if I'm gonna give you all my thoughts really quickly. So what I really feel like is the issue that we're having here is that you are not making a choice and you need to make a choice and the choice needs to be yourself.

Yeah.

Yourself. Everyone's talking about family and marriage and that's not how this works in life and people forget that. Yes, coming together as a union is a beautiful thing, but it has to be two whole people that are together to make a whole relationship. It's not one broken person, another broken person that make a whole. And people forget that.

I even text her.

And so the fact, Erin, that you are still allowing yourself and saying, well, I wanna stay in this even though I know that he's talking to this woman, though this woman is in the audience, though your husband is saying he hasn't smiled in years, that shows me something about your wholeness. It tells me a lot about where you see yourself and where you see your self-worth. As well with you, you were unhappy. Your sister said something, some things when she came out here and I wrote 'em down and I wanna see if you can confirm. You confirmed through what you said that you are drinking. You said that there has been another woman, multiple women, and that there has been some lying at times for, in this whole situation. Okay, so for me, That does let me know, like I said to your sister, that's coping skills. You are coping because there's something you're not facing. I heard the pressure people are putting you under. I heard it. That's why I corrected it. I apologize. It's not fair at all. Because then what happens is that when you want to be human and you wanna say that I'm hurting and I'm not this, everyone is holding you to this standard where you like, stop holding me to that. I didn't ask for that.

This is true.

Choosing yourself is not complicated. And you can give me every excuse in the book of why you think it's complicated. This and this situation, money, child, this, that, this, none of it actually matters because at the end of the day, part of what you have to do for yourself as a man, as a human being, is choose yourself. It's destroying you, right? Are you ready for it not to destroy you?

I've been destroyed since I was a kid, so I'm good. The reason why I'm the way I'm, and I don't, I make no excuses, I have. When I say I have horrendous trust issues with women, horrendous. Yeah. Horrendous. And that's why I am the way I am.

I just want you to— So I believe it. To be honest. And it's not an excuse.

No, it's not, it's not.

I know, I don't believe it's an excuse. It is your truth. Spending time with yourself and understanding what happened to you as a child, grieving what happened to you, finding new coping skills.

I just can't find time to grieve. Because you always have to be strong for the next person. I hear you. I always had to be strong for everybody. I know. Here you go, brother. Here you go.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry if I made you feel like you had to be bigger than life. I'm sorry. You matter more to me than any of this. I love you.

I'm sorry, brother.

Come and give me a hug, man. Let me hug you, brother. I feel you, Karamo. I feel it, man.

I'm sorry, man.

They say that you, Everybody has a chance to grieve and everybody has a chance to understand themselves, but when is my chance?

So it's your chance when you decide to choose yourself. And that's the truth. And that's the only thing I'm saying to you. No one is happy in this situation. You unhappy, your wife is unhappy. Instead of pretending and continuing this cycle Everyone needs to say, "Choose me." I really hope that when you get off this stage, I want to be the one thing that I can give you in this moment. First of all, I hope you feel a little heard and seen because I think for the first time, I think your sister's actually hearing you. You're hearing him a little bit more now.

I'm hearing him a lot.

Yeah, yeah. And so when you get off this stage, the thing I would tell you to say instead of talking about lady or this ex-wife to his wife is say, "Choose you." That's all. But that's what you need to say and encourage him to do that because if you can get to that step, I promise you the ball will start rolling in your favor. But that's the first step and that's a big step. We already know and so we can just end this off. The relationship here, they're all unhealthy. And so I'm gonna give the same advice to Aaron. Choose you. Everyone choose yourself. But for you especially, it's time. You deserve your joy back. You deserve it. You deserve to grieve. You deserve to heal. You deserve to laugh. Okay?

Mm-hmm.