You Disappear for Days…I Know You're Cheating! | KARAMO

First of all, so take me back to this relationship that you have. I heard that from one of my producers that y'all accidentally text, that's how y'all get together? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So tell me about that.

Man, this guy was in Alabama, man, chilling on a little vacay with my moms, man. Got a text from this number, man, thought it was somebody else. When I got back, it wasn't. We exchanged pictures and moved on from there.

That's wild. That's wild. Okay, so look at that. You can get a random text, it might be love on the other end. So what were the things like when you first met? Were they good?

Yeah, it was smooth. We was kind of both in a bad place, so we like grew together, you know what I mean?

So what is specifically why you need Hailey's phone unlocked?

Man, just a lot of shit that, I mean, excuse my language, but a lot that just don't make sense to me. You know what I mean? I was in prison and went from her answering the phone 6 o'clock in the morning to 12 o'clock at night. And sometimes she wouldn't answer at all, you know, for days at a time.

Got it. So it was during that time, how long were you in jail for?

9 months.

9 months. So during that 9 months, the trust, started going away?

I already had trust issues from previous relationships though.

Got it. How were your past relationships? 'Cause you just said that you had trust issues.

Man, they weren't always that great, man.

My producer told me that your mom agrees with Haley when it comes to your accusations against her.

I mean, yeah, but my mom like devil advocate, man. You know, she don't really pick sides. What's right is right, what's wrong is wrong.

So if your mom is saying that she's right, then she's saying you wrong?

Yeah, exactly. Okay, nice. But they kind of gang up on me, man. We stay together right now, so it's kind of, if I ain't hearing it from Haley, I'm hearing it from her, you know what I mean? Just wanna get it figured out, that's all.

So if you trust your mother's opinion, you saying your mama always comes through, then why won't you just let it go and say, "All right, my mother is saying I can trust her, she's showing me." Well, because, man, the past, I just can't let that go, bro.

I just wanna know what happened, man. She could've just told, I gave her plenty opportunities, you know, just to be honest with me about whatever, and I just—

And what did she say when you gave her those opportunities?

Well, it ain't nothing, you know, but just be told.

To be honest with. Yeah. Uh-huh. So you asked my unlock the phone investigator to unlock Haley's phone. Because you want to know if Hailey has been on any dating apps. You wanna know if she is at work when she says she is. And you also wanna know if she's been texting her ex. Well, let's meet Hailey and hear her side of the story. So everyone welcome Hailey to the show. Hey, Hailey. Hey, Hailey. Hey, Hailey. Hi, Hailey. Thank you for being here.

Thank you.

How are you?

I'm good.

How are you? Yes, okay.

Fonzie, you are crazy.

So, I don't know, man. I just wanna know.

So why does he want your phone unlocked In your opinion?

He's got trust issues. And I know it's his past, it has a lot to do with it. His past relationships.

And plus, you know, when she wouldn't answer the phone those times. Those times were 9 months.

Yeah. Okay, the 9 months.

I work third shift. Either I'm sleeping, I can't hear the phone. I mean, I work 12-hour shifts.

So no one's picking up the phone.

That's a hard shift because usually it's really busy. You got a lot of stuff to do and got a lot of stuff prepared for the next day. But then, and then you get home and you're tired. If you understand that, why would you still think it could be something happening?

She went from picking up the phone day and night, bro. Like it didn't matter when the phone rang, she answered. But then she'll stop answering for days, not a day, days.

Have you ever cheated on him?

Never have I cheated on him. Okay. Never.

Have you ever talked to anybody?

I may have messaged my ex and I told him about that. When I did all that, I did it because I wasn't sure I wasn't sure if I wanted to be with him. We've been through so much.

Okay, so I'm gonna ask you this. Does he give you access to his phone?

When he wants to.

Okay.

If I ask him for it, he'll take it.

He don't have social media platforms at all. No Facebook, Snapchat, Instagram.

He just got a new phone.

He ain't got none of that, man. No, I ain't had it in 2 years.

Since September, he don't have the same Gmail, he don't have the same phone number, and he finally did tell me about a text message.

Oh yeah, okay.

Before we got here.

I tried.

And it was the same girl. I asked to see this phone and he wouldn't let me see it. And it's the same girl I suspected.

Got it. But nothing went further with that? No. Nothing went further with that girl? Since the day I met, we ain't, yeah. Okay, okay, man. So why do you stay? I know you said you see something that's within him, but why are you staying?

Because I love this man. I see, I can see a future with him. I want to be with him. When we first got together, I told him there was something about him that I couldn't, pull myself. I couldn't even see myself without him. There was something, and I'm trying so hard to fix our relationship.

And I'm trying too though. I'm putting the work in too.

He is. Yeah.

So I mean, I'm trying to better the situation.

So what's on the line in this relationship?

I mean, something's gotta happen or I can't.

Are you gonna leave?

If it gets worse, yeah. If this doesn't help, Then yes.

Well, I think it's time to unlock the phones. I'm so sorry, man. Javonte, we unlocked your phone first.

Okay.

So Hailey, you want to know if Javonte is using any dating apps. Javonte says he is not. My Lock the Phone investigator searched his apps and found that Javonte is telling the truth.

I told you, bro.

I told you. Okay, well, I see.

I told you, bro.

Hailey, you wanna know if Javonte has been receiving any inappropriate emails at all? Javonte says he's not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched his emails and found that Javonte is telling the truth. I fucking told you, bro. I told you. Hailey, you wanna know if Javonte has been receiving texts from other women? Javonte says he is not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched his texts and found he's still telling the truth.

Well, I'm just curious.

I told you about it, man.

You just told me about a text message.

Well, the text message you told about, these are the things. So this is outside of what you shared with us. So the things that you two have shared with us, we're not gonna repeat to you. So these are outside of the things that you have shared with us that we're searching for. So outside of that, there's nothing else. Is there something else that you're looking for?

No, I just—

We'll keep searching.

I was just—

That's one of my favorite things to do here. We will search people.

I told you, bro. I told you. I told you that.

What's your suspicion?

I mean, obviously he, this has been just the, since we moved to Kentucky, he's had this phone. If that message isn't in there, then where's it at?

So is it outside of that? You already told him about it. He told me about it.

Okay, so. All right, all right.

I tried to tell you.

All right.

Well, Javonte, we unlocked Hailey's phone. Yes. All right, Javonte, you wanna know if Hailey has been using any dating apps? Yeah. Hailey says she is not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched her apps and found She's telling the truth.

All right, okay, okay, okay.

I'm sorry, I'm sorry. All right, Javonte, you wanna know if Hailey is at work from 7:00 AM to 7:00 PM. Hailey says she is at work during that time. My Lock the Phone investigators searched her GPS and found that she is telling the truth.

All right, man.

So just to let you know, we also pinged her selfies. We pinged her location from her selfies as well that she sends. Just to make sure that she's at work. And they're always— Yeah, all right. Well, Javonte, you wanna know if Hailey has been texting her ex. Hailey says she is not. My locked-the-phone investigator searched her texts and found that she is telling the truth. But we found 8,817 text exchanges between you two. Okay. Which my investigator wants me to look at because it looks like you are the one who is constantly checking on her when she's at work. She shut down her job in September. So let me see this. She has you as my baby daddy. You better be, 'cause I can't take another heartbreak. I don't know if you're like walking around your job looking for her.

Man, that shit is what I'm saying though, man. If that ain't what it is, no.

I don't want no other heartbreak outta there. Okay.

Yeah, I told you, may have stalker tendencies, but I ain't never really done none of that shit though. You ain't never done none of that shit though.

Okay. "Stop texting me. Of course I love you, baby. Sorry, I was really busy, my love. Okay, I will help you, baby." Okay.

I'm just there to support him.

Okay, man, we know that now, man.

Okay.

All right, listen, I wanna say thanks, Karamo, but at the end of the day, man, I wanna make an, you know, I gotta apologize, man.

Yeah, please do.

Listen, bro, at the end of the day, baby, I'm sorry, man. You was right, bro. Stand up, bro. I'm sorry, bro. Listen, at the end of the day, man, you know, I just wanna be sure, bro. And you know, I've done this before I went to prison, but I wanna know if you really will marry me, man.

Yeah. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. We can celebrate. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Because I thought you was getting out. You saw my face.

I was like, hold on.

Is he on one knee? No, no, no. You can't ask her to marry you.

Why is that?

No, no, no. I asked you only 10 minutes ago, what is going on with these trust issues? And you said, I can't let it go. And I can't believe you think. Nah, you ain't healed from that. And I ain't gonna even let you play yourself like that.

I know, appreciate that, but listen, we've been going through this for a while, man.

Listen, I love the love. I do love it. And I want y'all to get engaged. I wanna be clear. I want you to find love. But you'll turn yourself into the same cycle of, you'll be engaged and then still be accusing her once you get triggered. You haven't healed from these trust issues. You haven't healed from these trust issues at all. And this is going to keep coming out over and over and again. Well, that's the first thing. I'm glad that you took step one. By going to her phone and believing it. Because some people would still see that nothing's going on and be like, no. But the second thing you have to, it has nothing to do with her. You gotta challenge yourself and say, when was the first moment you started to feel trust issues?

That rooted a long time ago, Dad. That's probably when my pops telling me he's gonna be there, don't. So man, it stems from all the way back then and then women so forth. So man, it ain't just you.

So what I appreciate is your honesty of you being able to recognize the moment that it came from. My father told me he was gonna be there, he wasn't. So that's a beautiful thing. Because now that you know where the root started, you gotta start backwards and move forward from there and start healing. Because the thing is, what I don't want you to do is to sit on this stage and propose before you propose to do the work. All right. Does that make sense?

Yeah, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, man, but I'm willing.

And I'm doing this for you too.

I know.

I know there's love here and I want you to have your engagement. Listen, I love nothing more than an engagement. I love like the happy ending. I love love. But I just know that you'll walk off the stage and if something happens, if you haven't done that healing work, It's just gonna trigger you. When you get triggered by something that is happening, then your abandonment is being triggered, your trust is being triggered. That's the work you have to do of say to yourself of like, no, I'm secure. People love me and I'm safe. That's the word you have to say to yourself because we all have personal mantras we have to give ourselves and that's yours. So if you can practice that first and when you feel insecure and say, hold on, something's going on, she ain't picking up the phone, what are you gonna say to yourself? You're gonna say, I am secure. I am safe.

I am safe. But sometimes you don't feel like that though, you know what I mean?

But see, this is what I'm saying. You have to reassure yourself. This is where the little kid in you, you have to say, nah, nah, it's good. You safe. The woman that you love is at work. She's gonna come home. She's gonna be there for me. This is where you have to do that work. What's making you emotional right now?

I just, that's, you're telling him exactly what he needs to hear because It's breaking me, you know, having to, it's tiring having to fight with him to prove where I'm at. And I'm only doing what I'm supposed to be doing as a woman, as a wife, as a mother. I want my family together, Javonte.

I understand that, man.

And you know that.

You gotta take the steps. Yeah, man, it was just step one, bro. I know you want more.

It is. Step one, and you got step two. Yeah. When you have that triggered up, you gotta say to yourself, I'm secure. Yeah. I'm safe. So please, you do the work for that. And then you do the work. Listen, I'll help you make this proposal better, all right? I'll make sure the proposal is great, but you gotta do that work yourself, all right?

Appreciate it though, man.

I appreciate it.