You Got A Restraining Order On Your Baby Daddy?! | KARAMO

So please tell me, why do you and your brothers have doubt?

Because she's a bit of a mess, Karamo.

Yes.

She's a bit of a mess. She's a bit of a mess. I heard about she was popping her stuff on Facebook, taking pictures with other men. Last time I checked, she came out of nowhere and was telling us that she was pregnant randomly. They was broken up.

How you?

But how did the entire family get involved in this? Because this sounds like an issue between her and your brother.

Yes, because I'm very supportive. I'm a big sister, big sister energy. I'm his keeper. I'm one of them.

Got it.

And if he say it ain't his, It ain't his until we get the DNA. Where is that?

Got it, got it. You got the DNA? I got it.

Okay.

I got it, okay. I got it. All right, so if Tay isn't the father, then who is, from your opinion?

Some white skin dude, I don't know his name, but I seen the pictures on Snapchat and Facebook, I seen them, they was there. She got me blocked out, so I can't see him now.

But this is some guy that she used to be hanging around with?

Yes.

Okay then. And why isn't your brother here today?

Some legal reasons, they got into a little argument, police got called, so now they can't be around each other.

So they gotta restrain each other, okay. And how long ago did that restraining order happen?

That was like maybe like the summertime.

This summertime?

Summertime, I believe.

Okay, what has Tay shared with you about his relationship?

My brother tells me everything, like even stuff that I don't even wanna know.

Yeah.

You know, tea that I don't need to know.

Yeah, yeah.

Bitch, I don't need to be hearing.

Yeah.

Tell me everything. So he tells me that she done stole some money from him. She be popping up at people's houses, trying to like being stalkerish, being crazy.

Really?

Crazy energy.

Do you think that your brother is to blame for their issues?

No, I think they're both to blame. They both toxic, they both got loud energies. He's more of a wanna rowdy, rowdy, turn up type, and she's a wanna go to the movies and sit in the house and chill.

Different personalities.

They just different people.

Okay, do you and Denise get along at all?

We didn't at first, but now we cool.

You cool now?

Yeah, we cool now. I had to do my ones and twos on her on Monday 'cause she do a lot of talking and I had to shut her up real quick.

Like, you mean you literally had to fight her?

Yeah, I had to.

Oh.

It was one of those, it was necessary 'cause you doing too much talking and it's not that much, you ain't gotta talk that much.

So 2 days ago, you gotta take me back. So 2 days ago, what happened? You just went, she was talking mess online or?

No, so my brother was helping me out. He has a couple of his things at my house which I needed her to come get them so we can move everything out or whatever. And she was talking about he was lying and I'm like, what are you talking about lying? This is not no time for lying. I'm stressed out right now. You talking about he lying. Just come get his stuff and when he ready for you to come get him, he gonna come. Talking about he was lying, that he wasn't gonna stay, he was not staying with me.

Why you? And then once she said that, she cowed over there and you just popped them out?

You know, she was like, oh, why are you in my conversation? This is an A and B conversation. First of all, I'm not a little kid. Don't talk to me like that.

Got it.

This is not no A, B conversation. I'm in this conversation 'cause I need you to come get his stuff. Come get it. You're talking about lying. That's neither here nor there. Come get his stuff. And when he ready for you, come get him.

Yeah.

It's just that simple.

And then she came.

And she was like, oh, well, you doing all this talking. I'm like, I am. I wasn't gonna fight you, cuz he told me not to. But since you doing all this talking, now I'm about to fight you. And my brother was like, well, what if he got the baby? What if he got the baby? And I'm like, I don't know if he my nephew yet. But if he is, regardless, he's a baby. So if she got the baby, I'mma hold her back. But if she with somebody, I'm on her. I'm tagging that. I'm tagging that. It's over with. And she had somebody with her, so I had to do my ones and twos. She got a little bit of a little black eye. I wanted to give her a black eye. I wanted to.

Does she have a black eye right now?

Yeah.

When she comes out here, she gonna have a black eye?

At least that's what the makeup artist was saying around.

Oh wow.

I know what they was saying. The makeup artist was like, yeah, that girl got a black eye. Oh, I didn't know.

Oh, okay then. So I guess, so the makeup artist backstage covered it up?

Yeah, they covered it up.

Okay, so what do you want the DNA truth to be?

Honestly, I don't want it to be his. I don't want him to, I mean, the baby's nice, cute, but I don't want, him to be the father because they are toxic. They don't need to be in a relationship together. I mean, and I honestly feel like if they was, if he is the father, I don't believe that they know how to co-parent. They are specifically for her, she is young. She's more worried about what kind of female or what the female is going to be doing. Not doing to the baby, but doing to the man himself.

She's worried about their relationship with the man.

Yeah, like if the—

Well, if this is turns out to be your nephew, do you feel like you could step into a role as an older bigger sister?

Absolutely, I'm a very much a girl mom. I'm a girl's girl, and when it comes down to my nieces, my nephews, my sisters, my brothers, I'm all for it. I'm big down with that. I'm the oldest of 12 people.

Well, I think it's time to meet Denise and hear her side of the story. So everyone please welcome Denise to the show. Hi Denise. Hi.

How are you doing?

Hi.

You look beautiful.

Thank you.

You both look beautiful.

I figured this out.

Oh yeah, you look great.

I look good, right?

You look great, yeah. So how do you feel about what was just said?

Well, she don't know shit. I'm gonna say that. She loves to involve herself in stuff that don't got nothing to do with her. She wanna be in a relationship. It's like I'm dating her, her brother, the mom, the dad, the uncle, the aunties. I'm dating everybody.

So who's making you involved? Is your brother that brings you into the situation?

No, I'm doing it myself. She's nosy.

I'm doing it myself. But I get my brother involved.

So she know not to try it again.

Oh, you gave her a couple times?

Yeah, I gave her a couple times. Ooh. T, clock that, clock that.

So why are you still with Tay?

Well, when I met Tay, he had nobody. It was no sister, no dad, no mom. I made him.

Oh.

Yeah, I made him or he made me.

So did you have an issue with your brother? Y'all weren't in each other's relationship's lives?

Yeah, our family is a little bit estranged.

Yeah, she was never around when I met him. She just came in the picture like a summer ago.

She's not that girl.

I didn't even know she was even a sister.

How's the relationship with you and Tay?

It's rocky.

Rocky.

Rocky. He's not honest. He's a liar. He's a cheater. He can't stop sleeping around. That's the biggest problem.

He is.

He can't keep his shit to himself.

You agree?

Yeah. He can't keep his shit to himself.

So then why stay?

He's slow, so I gotta direct him.

And we are.

He's slow.

We is.

We a little off.

We a little off.

I'm just that girl.

Yeah, so he needs you.

He needs me, so she say. He don't got shit going on in life.

How many times has he cheated on you?

Like 100 times, 1,000 times. He can't stop cheating.

So if you know your brother cheating on her, why you fighting her?

Oh no, her mouth. Oh, her mouth.

Her mouth is what—

It ain't got nothing to do with my brother.

I'm not gonna be quiet for no one.

Her mouth is what got her pissed.

But can you understand that maybe she might have a mouth when it comes to your brother because he's cheated 100 times?

Yes, I understand that, but when it come down to talking to me, I never— It was never—

No, she involved herself in it. We was on the phone like a couple of weeks ago. I think it was a week ago. We was on the phone, we was on her phone. That was Monday, girl. Yeah, Monday. Yeah, we was on the phone. Phone and we was talking and next thing you know, Nae Nae bring her two cents always. She always add her two cents.

She's like, why you telling him he's lying?

Why you telling him he's lying? I'm like, it's an A and B conversation. See yourself out respectfully.

But if, I'm gonna ask you for real, Nae Nae, but if you know your brother has cheated and you saying he is, he did, he is, why would you then, if she calls him a liar, then even, you should be like, yeah girl, probably he is. But why then why get involved and defend and then y'all get drunk?

Because that's my brother. That's my brother. It's my brother.

But I know it's your brother, but there's also right and wrong.

There is right and wrong. But at the end of the day, when it comes down to it, in the public eye, I got his back.

How did you receive the no contact order?

Well, me and Tay, we are toxic.

Okay.

So I chase him tomorrow. Mm-hm. When he do some shit, I would chase him from his auntie house, his grandma house, his uncle house. I'm showing up everywhere. I'm popping up.

I'm so confused. You're such a beautiful woman. Why would you chase? No, I'm confused. I'm serious. Why would you chase a man that has done all this to you? You are stunning.

I'm the type of person, I'm emotional. Once my emotions kick in, I don't know what I'm doing.

Yeah. I understand how we can be blinded by that, but I don't understand how such a beautiful woman, such articular woman would chase after a man who's consistently cheated on her? Do you know that no matter if you have a 4-month-old or not, there's a myriad of men that would want to treat you well, who would love you, support you, not cheat on you?

And that's what I was trying to get her to understand.

I invested too much in Tay. I have invested too much time. Before I met Tay and everything, I had lost my ex. He passed. Yeah, he died on me. And that was—

That makes more sense.

Yeah.

So you never got closure from that?

Never did.

And so, okay, the lack of healing and closure you had is leading you to be in something that you know is unhealthy.

From family, from my ex-boyfriend. From everything. I'm just, yeah.

'Cause you feel alone.

Yeah.

That makes complete sense.

Yeah.

Did you know she felt this way?

No.

Thank you for being vulnerable and sharing that with me. Seriously. So you know that Tay met with my producers before the show, right? Did you know that?

Yeah.

You did know that. Okay. Why did you make that face? 'Cause you ready for the—

Yeah.

Yeah, okay. I don't even know Tay and I already know this about to be some BS.

Okay.

Yeah, it's a lot of that. Well, let's see what Tay had to say.

I don't think I'm the father of Denise's baby. I heard a couple rumors she been messing around with a couple of my homies, my close homies, and I ain't really messing around with all that. She changed the baby name to her ex-boyfriend name. That don't got nothing to do with us. Yeah, I told her the baby wasn't mine, but she took my name off my son's birth certificate. And when she told me she was pregnant, me and her weren't even in cahoots with each other for her to even be coming to me with no baby. She be trying to play that old innocent sweet girl role, but she really need to be honest with herself and tell the truth to the world and stop lying. And I promise you, if the baby not mine, I'm leaving her ass right here, right now. And let's be for real, man, I would be sitting right there on stage with her, but she always putting her hands on me. So now we gotta no contact order. It's all good, my sister got my back. She gonna help me out in this situation. Oh my God, I'm gonna lose so many hoes off this. Oh my God, look at that!

Do you hear this?

I love you, Clock It, brother.

I love you.

Just in that last bit. So why would you be happy and say Clock It, brother, that he said he's gonna lose girls over this?

Because my brother—

He needs to lose girls over this.

My brother is my brother. That's who he is.

He's not gonna—

That's who he is.

That's who he is.

The drawers he's wearing right now on that, I bought the drawers. The jacket, the clothes, everything.

Is Tay a good father?

When he wants to be. When he's there, he's there.

Yeah.

When he's there, he's there.

When he's there, he's there, that's good.

Yeah, when he's there, he's there.

Wow.

Yeah.

Well, I think it's time to unlock the DNA truth.

Yeah.

I want to see. Mm-mm-mm-mm.

In this envelope is the DNA truth that will reveal if your 4-month-old child is Tay's child. Denise, this is your truth to open, not mine. So here you go.

He is— he is the dad.

Clock that, T. Clock that, T. Thank you. Let me see. K is the— OK, OK, OK. OK, you told yourself. OK, I had to go there. You told yourself.

You told yourself. OK. You got it.

You got it.

And I just want to say this. To his family and his sister and Tay, y'all gonna have to deal with me for the rest of your life. That's just it.

All righty, all right, all right.

All right, so I'm gonna tell you this. I'm happy that we know that you said that you never cheated. Clearly you never cheated. She is right about one thing. It's in a toxic relationship. It is. The thing is that the truth of the matter is that you don't need to be raising Tay. Because that's what you sound like you're doing. You're raising Tay. You have a son that you have to raise up and he's 4 months old and you don't wanna put your son through this toxic situation. This is now the mother of your nephew.

My nephew.

And at some point you have to say to yourself, in 15 years, and I've said this before, when I'm still on this stage, do we want your nephew to be here with a woman saying, my nephew cheated on me, You know, these times we fighting, all this stuff. Or do you want your nephew to be like, you know what, I got this girl that I'm with and we're happy and we love and we're going off to school right now. And which future do you want? Because we forget that even though y'all in y'all 20s, this is where he starts to pick up his models. This is where he starts to understand. And I get it, you're trying to be fiercely protective of your brother, but I think it's a little bit misguided. Both of you are experiencing something very similar. You've been abandoned, you feel alone, and you don't want to be alone. And that's why I'm saying there's an opportunity for you two to sit there together and say, hold on, girl, I see you, you see me, girl, we gotta figure this out. You don't have to be alone because like she said, she's right, she will be in your life for the rest of your life now. She will.

You need to stop thinking I'm crazy. Every action has a reaction.

You do, you right, you right, you right, you right. When he's wrong, he's wrong, I let him know that he be wrong. But in the face of the eye, I let him be right, 'cause I don't want—

'Cause you don't wanna be alone.

Yeah, I don't want people to think that we against each other. I tell him about his negative behavior behind the scenes.

Yeah, but see, that's only encouraging.

That makes it worse is what you're saying.

Because what happens is he's like, well, no one's checking me in public. No one's saying to me that it's bad. Because then behind the scenes—

He can't deal with me 'cause I check him.

I see that, okay.

I tell him a lot of stuff.

And so the one woman that's saying, stop this is now she gets crazy, she does it. And yes, you can handle your emotions different. And what I love is we have a therapist backstage that is really great. I'm gonna have him talk to you and give you some resources because you do need to grieve. You need to figure out how to grieve this and start to heal from that. Because if you don't, it's going to continue to affect your life for a while. But there's an opportunity right now for you two both to support each other and to break this generational cycle and this trauma. Do you wanna break it?

Yeah, I got her. I got her. That's my nephew.

You wanna break it?

I got her. I got her.

Let's break this cycle together. Can y'all both say that?

Yeah, come on.

I want y'all to say it.

I got you.

We breaking the cycle.

We breaking the cycle.

It's over.

It's over.

It's got you. I got you.

This is important. This could be a step. I'm glad you have your answers. You can go ahead and change the name back. We know it's true now. So go ahead and change the name back. Come on back, boy. And work it out.

At least his middle name.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Wish y'all the best of luck. Good luck. All right, stay with us. We'll be right back with more.

We good, good.

Nip in the bud.

I feel great. I feel like we can start over and create something better.

I want better for my son, so I'm gonna be here for him for sure. No problem. No hesitations about that.

I promise to do better before I watch my mouth 'cause you are older than me at the end of the day. Today, so I'm gonna do better with that.

I promise to just be there, give you the best advice as I can, be there, be the, the best girl's girl, woman's woman I can be to you. And, and if there is something that, that we don't disagree with, I won't pop it off. We're gonna have a good genuine conversation about it and see if we can break it down. And if we can't, we're gonna find somebody that can.

Yeah. Thank you, Marlo.