In this episode of Karamo’s talk‑show, host Karamo mediates a heated confrontation between Alicia and her partner Allen after Alicia receives a call from a woman claiming to have slept with Allen in the back seat of their brand‑new Impala. Alicia confronts Allen about the alleged car‑seat incident, revealing a history of at least two prior affairs. Allen denies cheating and instead accuses Alicia of secretive phone behavior. Alicia admits she installed a spy app on Allen’s phone to monitor his activity. Karamo brings in an “Unlock‑the‑Phone” investigator who examines both phones: Allen’s device shows no evidence of dating apps, contacts named Deena, or infidelity, and his GPS logs confirm he is at work. Alicia’s phone also lacks dating apps but contains two tracking apps (Life360 and iZKID) and a deleted message referencing a drug habit and a plan to move to Washington with a non‑romantic male friend. Substance‑use history is discussed—Allen previously drank heavily, now sober; Alicia reports occasional marijuana use. Karamo highlights mutual toxicity, gaslighting, and the couple’s unhealthy dynamics, then advises Alicia to consider leaving the eight‑year relationship, emphasizing her ability to support herself and encouraging an abundance‑mindset over fear‑based thinking.
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I gotta start off with this. You gotta tell me more about this woman who had the audacity, the audacity to call you and tell you that she slept with your man in his car and then left you a gift.
Well, let me just tell you, this man was in the back bedroom knocked out and his phone was going off. So I pick it up and it's a bitch on the phone saying, I just fucked your man in the back of the Impala. We didn't even have it a whole week yet.
It's a brand new car.
Brand new Impala. She says, "Bitch, go check the back seat." I'm like—
So she's calling you outta your name?
Yeah.
The audacity. Okay.
And so I go out there, there is a stain on the back seat where it looks like two people had been laying there. You know, a stain, come on. And I'm like, "Oh, hell no." So I go back inside, I wake this man up, And I'm like, who in the hell did you have in the backseat of our Impala that we just got? Barely had it a week. And he was like, nobody, nobody. What are you talking about?
[Speaker] Well, I mean, clearly she, I mean, for someone to say go check for the stain that I left behind, they're telling you details. There's not a question here now of like whatever. So why didn't you walk out the door right then and there? I don't care if you sleep, I don't care. Once I got this information, it'd have been like, deuces, I'm done.
Maybe if it was still the beginning of the relationship, I could understand that. But Allen and I have been together for like 8 years.
And at this point, how long were y'all together when he did this?
Been like 3 or 4 years. 3 or 4 years. I put in a lot of work in this relationship. And I'm not just gonna throw it away.
Has he cheated on you in the past?
Yeah.
How many times?
From what I know, I wanna say twice.
Twice, from what you know?
Yeah.
But that means that do you believe that there could be more?
Yeah.
Okay, so why unlock his phone since you know he's cheating?
Because I need to know. I need to know what is, what's going on in the relationship. Like if he's still—
But you know what's going on, he's cheated.
If he's still cheating, like if I, okay, we haven't had our phone not 5 months yet, okay? And we told each other that we were gonna commit to this relationship. If I can see that he's being faithful, I want to continue to try and make it work.
Got it. Alicia has laid out why she wants Allen's phone unlocked. So it's time to hear what Allen has to say. So come on out, Allen, so we can hear your side of this. Allen, I wanna know from you. So you're saying that you did not cheat and that there was no stain?
No, I did not cheat. There was no stain in my car.
Allen, what do you have to say about what Alisha was saying about you before you came out? 'Cause she said you've been cheating. She says she knows about it. I haven't been cheating.
I haven't cheated not one time on her since we've been together.
So why do you believe that Alisha is cheating?
Every day I come home from work, I got clothes missing, moved, Axe body wash has been used.
So you think she's had men in the house because you think these men are taking your clothes and then also using your hygiene products?
Yes.
Are you serious right now?
Your secretism with your phone, you're always talking on it behind my back. You'll go out the room, you text message and come in.
I'm busy spying on you.
You text message and come in, she'll ask me, or I'll ask her who it was, and she, nobody.
Oh, got it.
I told you look at my phone anytime you want.
So Alicia, 'cause I heard you just say I'm too busy when he says you walk out the room. That you said you're too busy recording him. Tell me about this app that you used.
I just had a feeling in my stomach that something was not right. So I got onto his phone and I downloaded a spy app onto his phone.
Did you know that she had downloaded this spy app on your phone?
No.
How does it make you feel knowing now that she has been downloading a spy app on your phone?
That's, like I said, I ain't got nothing to hide. So it kind of hurts because for her to have to do that. That's bogus.
If you wouldn't have cheated on me to begin with.
No, that's just, it's bogus on her half for her to have to be dirty like that and download something on the phone just to listen in on my conversations and everything.
I live my life for you and you treat me like crap.
In the 8 years that y'all been together, and this is the honest question, has there ever been substance abuse issues?
No, there hasn't.
Has there ever been any substance abuse issues?
Alcohol, but that's it.
Okay, that's a substance, so you all, You all had an issue with alcohol at some point?
Allen used to drink.
When we first got together, I used to drink heavily.
Okay, then got it, got it. And now you're sober or you just, you tailed it back? Okay.
Yeah, he doesn't drink anymore.
Okay, great. Okay, well listen, let's get down to it and start unlocking these phones. Allen, we're gonna go start with, we're gonna start with your phone. All right, so you want to know if he was communicating with Deena. He said he is not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched his phone and he is telling the truth. There was no one in the phone named Deena and we could not find any record of anybody in any messages or anything at all. Alicia wanted to know if Allen was on any dating apps. He said he is not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched his apps and he is telling the truth.
Called you.
Alicia wanted to know if Allen was really going to work. He said he is. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched his GPS and he is located 146 times in the last 5 months at the avenue. So he is going to work.
Woman, I'm sorry. I'm glad that you're telling the truth. But I feel like you're still lying about certain things.
No.
We got y'all there. That was me. I did it for dramatic effect. That was me. I was being messy a little bit. He's been pinged at work. We corresponded with the schedule and he's always at work.
I told you. Nothing to hide.
We just unlocked Allen's phone and now we're about to unlock Alisha's phone. Alisha, are you ready for this? All right, we've unlocked your phone. Allen, you want to know if she was on any dating apps. She says she is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her phone and Alicia is telling the truth. There are no dating apps found on her phone. Allen, you want to know where she was going and where she was hanging out. My unlock the phone investigator searched her apps and found two GPS tracking apps that were both connected to your phone. One is Life360, but when you turn that off, she has iZKID, which is also attached to your phone. Did you know that? No. So she's spending her time tracking your phone and putting apps on it.
He knows about 360. He's got it on my phone as well.
Yeah, but you turned it off and then you downloaded iZKID.
Yeah.
All right, so next, Allen wants to know if she was communicating with any other men. She said she is not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched her phone and found one deleted message from June 15th. Can I have my evidence back? 'Cause this is important. I'm gonna give you this. My investigator found this message. We left the number on here so you could see the number. Okay, so I'm gonna give you this so I can read this to you. This is for you. This is what she had texted this number. "I'm so fed up with blank, it's not even funny." Once again, I myself had thought I would be an awesome opportunity for me and I thought I had everything figured out. Like I packed and quit my job. I even thought I had found a ride and I really thought I was leaving. I should have known better though. I knew it was all too good. Now he's back in Washington and I'm stuck here with Alan. Like no matter how hard I try, nothing works. Like I'm a good person beside my drug habit. Which I asked you if there was.
Marijuana, but.
I asked you if there was substance abuse issues. You said there was not.
I don't consider marijuana.
Well, you did in this. You said there was drug habits. Those are your words I'm reading.
I know, but.
Okay, I don't lie except to Allen.
Yeah, 'cause I can't tell him the truth. He makes it near impossible for me to have a conversation with him.
'Cause most of the time, you can tell when you're lying. I've been with you long enough, I know when you're cheating.
And I know when you're lying.
You started off with a lie instantly.
I was planning on moving to Washington because I had had enough of his abuse.
You were planning on moving with another man?
Yes. But he was not somebody that I was dating. He is somebody that I have known for a very long time and he was gonna help me and I was gonna help him.
You had fun with this.
I will.
Yeah, have fun.
I'm done.
Right.
It's over with.
I'm just sad I wasted 8 years on this.
There's a couple of things at play here. I've asked you specific questions and I asked you those questions knowing after I unlocked the phone to see your response because I was gauging exactly how you would respond. You said right here that I don't lie to anyone, that I only lied to Allen. You're painting a picture a certain way for me to believe certain things. You're the one with tracking apps on his phone, correct?
Yes.
You were trying to leave to go with another man. She knew about the apps. He didn't know about one of 'em.
He knew.
Okay.
He knew.
Either way, that's toxic. Either way, you lied. You said you lied to him.
Because I can't tell him the truth about things. Like I can't sit down and have a normal conversation with him.
Okay, so basically what you're doing now is you're saying that you're basically trying to gaslight me like you said that he tried to gaslight you. And that doesn't work. We now established that both of you are unhealthy, not just him. You're unhealthy too. And you're aware of it now.
Yeah, I know I am. I know that we have issues.
This is the first time you said that because before you came out here and you presented a picture that only he was unhealthy.
No, it's both of us. I know it's both of us, but if he could just be my partner instead of talk down to me and treat me like I'm scum on the bottom of his shoe, man.
But how can you expect a man to be a partner a partner to you when you're not a partner to him?
I have been for 8 years. This was only a couple months ago.
Okay, and I respect that. I respect that. I'm not going to say that in the beginning he didn't betray the trust, but I asked you very clearly, why didn't you leave? And you kept saying to me, hold on, before you go anyway, 8 years, it's so hard to walk away. I don't want to throw it all away. These were your words. Let me tell you something. When you're in an 8-year relationship and you talk about throw it away, Would you prefer to throw away 8 years of your life or 40 years of your life? Because to me, mathematically, understanding that I could get out in 8 years and try to find somebody else who I can build a healthy relationship with is better than staying in one where I'm gone now, giving up 10 years, 12 years, 13 years, 15 years. 'Cause it's gonna creep up on you. It's scary. And the reason it's scary for you is because something else you said, which I need to point out, which is very unhealthy and shows a lot about where you're at mentally and emotionally. You said, "I live for him." I have. You should never be giving up your life for any other person on this world. He said it right here that he's getting more emotionally checked out.
Then we need to go our separate ways.
You do need to go your own separate ways. Baby, you can get out of this. You can get out of this. 'Cause you can get a job, you can support yourself. And let me ask you, before 8 years ago, were you taking care of yourself?
Yeah.
So 8 years ago you were taking care of yourself, which means you can still take care of yourself. You are not dependent upon this man. And the fact that you have to tell somebody that you have to lie to him, that's your truth because you didn't expect anybody to see that. We found them, the deleted messages.
I forgot about it, honestly.
Exactly. So now me seeing that you lied to him means that like, where y'all gonna go from here? Y'all just gonna be lying to each other. You know you need to break up. Commit to breaking up. Take that fear-based thinking and turn it to abundance-based thinking. I have an abundance of job opportunities that I can support myself. I have abundance of friends and family members I can talk to. There is an abundance of life left to live. Stop being fearful of it. You said you're scared of wasting 8 years. You gonna waste 20 more? I don't want to. Then say, "I won't waste 20 more." I won't waste 20 more. I wish you the best of luck, okay?
