Your Own Father Told Me I'm Not The Dad! | KARAMO

Me and Shayla been doing this back and forth thing for a while where she decides when she wanna bring him in and out my life.

Oh, got it.

And so it just, I got to the point where I'm tired. I just need to know the truth right now.

Gotcha, got it. So the inconsistency is what's causing that. Right. So Shay blames her father. How did he get involved?

So her and her dad must have got into it at one point and that's when he decided to tell me like, oh, I seen someone here when you You know, when you all two were together.

Okay, wow. So do you have any other reasons to have doubts?

Like, it's been told a lot throughout my whole family, just get a DNA test, get a DNA test. My mom spoke on it a lot 'cause she used to live with my mom for a minute. And she said she heard her on the phone multiple times talking to other people that she knew it wasn't me 'cause I was at work.

So. So now your mother as well? Yeah. So her father and your mother are all saying something else is going on.

Yeah, most definitely.

Have you ever gone through her phone?

Yeah, I've been through her phone multiple times, different times.

And did you find anything?

Yeah, the first time I've been through her phone, I found she had sex with someone, a whole video.

Hold on, look at her. This bitch be like me. She said, you still there? You still staying there?

It's the truth. Yeah.

It's a very valid question. It's a very valid question.

Good question.

So after you found video of her in her phone having sex with another man, why did you stay?

Sometimes you really can't help how you feel about a certain person.

Young brother, what you'll learn is that when you start to learn what you deserve in love and what you deserve as a man and what respect and love in a relationship, you understand that even one of those occasions means that we can't be together anymore. So you'll learn that. That's why they're like, but that takes time. It takes time and learning to love yourself It takes a lot, you know, it takes time. So you told producers you were upset yesterday. What happened?

I found out also that she had sex with someone else on her conceiving date, prior to the day she conceived.

Wow, hold on. So this entire timeline is messy. Okay, so let's see a timeline of everything that happened. Okay, so September, there was a mystery man. October, there was a mystery man. November, the baby was conceived. February, you found the DM and sex tape. March, man-to-man with Shayla's dad. June, baby was born. Yeah. So it sounds like within this entire time, she hasn't been faithful to you. And so you have been having inconsistencies the entire time.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

Would Zayden be your first child?

Yeah, Zayden would be my first. I would hope he still is my first.

Yeah, yeah.

It's never been hard for me to do the right thing with him. And so when he was born, I kind of really didn't feel anything. I just knew that I wanted to be a father, that's all.

But you didn't feel anything?

I didn't feel anything.

And is a large part of that the fact that you had had all these conversations with everyone saying that like, she's having sex with other men, you saw the video?

Right, yeah.

Makes sense.

And also like when he was in the NICU for a while, so he had to get some blood.

[Speaker:KARAMO] Okay, he had a blood transfusion.

[Speaker] Right, and so she wasn't able to give the blood and they were calling me 'cause I was on the way to, you know, come up there to the hospital. And rather than using my blood, she goes and tell them to get the donated blood instead.

[Speaker] Wow.

[Speaker] So that was like, yeah, that was like, Okay.

I mean, it's just another suspicion upon suspicion, 'cause if I'm the father, why not use my blood immediately so that way we can have this? Yeah. Most definitely. I know y'all the same age, but how long have you known Shay?

I've known Shay since we both were in 8th grade, about 2015. So that was like 9 years now.

Hold on, so I am being told we have a ping alert. We have a message from, we actually have a message from Shay's father. Take a listen to this.

One day I was coming home from work and I seen this unknown guy and Shayla sitting on the couch in the living room, and it kind of made me upset because I told Shayla I don't want no company at the house without my permission or if I'm not present. So, um, how they was looking at me, I kind of thought they— I think they was kind of sexually active.

Well, that is a big accusation. Wow. And so it makes even more sense because that's her father saying this to you.

Yeah.

It's not even like, 'cause I've had on this show different situations like it's a homeboy or a friend or somebody saying, oh, this. But when a parent is saying, I've walked in and I see my daughter with another man. Wow. So what are your thoughts on what he said?

I honestly didn't even think about the sex part. The sexual part, but I did know that he said that he's seen someone in the house, but he didn't go that far about saying, oh.

But so this is the first time you're hearing about the sexual part? Yeah. Wow, okay. Wow, okay then. Well, I think it's time to hear Shay's side of the story. So everyone please welcome Shay to the show.

Hey.

Hey Shay, thank you for being here.

Hey, how you doing?

Thank you. So tell me, what's your thoughts on this situation?

It's all lies.

It's all lies?

Yes.

Okay then.

First of all, first of all, first of all, no, for real though, you talk about me cheating, but wasn't you cheating your whole, my whole pregnancy basically with the whole female? You brought her to the house.

I didn't bring no female. Actually, what happened that day was my stepmom and my dad, they had a daughter together and my ex was very close with them. And so they invited her over.

But wasn't you laid up with her?

No, we was all in the house.

I got mad and I left, you laid up with her?

No, I never was laid up with her.

Come on now, you lying. See, that's the whole thing, you're lying. How you doing, Karamo?

I'm so sorry. No, you good, you good. Listen, listen, listen, this is your life. You don't need to acknowledge me. You're trying to figure out what's going on in your life and you're also trying to prove a point that you're saying that during this time he was in the same situation.

He was. I mean, I'm not the only one. He's not a saint.

At the end of the day, I'm not the one carrying the child. I'm not a woman, I'm a man. So, hold on.

And what does that have to do with that?

Hold on, so I can't—

Hold on, hold on.

I'm not pregnant.

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I mean, you're right, but like, you see— Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Because I like to teach young brothers how to like make sure they, you know, I can't have a young brother on my stage. That type of kind of thinking will get you lost in the world, okay? Just because she's pregnant and you're asking her to respect herself, you should also be respecting yourself, okay? It goes both ways, okay? It's not about gender. So do you feel Rae's side of the story is accurate? Again, we're gonna bring back this timeline.

Yeah, we can bring it back up, 'cause I seen that and I was like, hold on, wait.

She had to get up.

First of all, September, for one. Okay, that don't have nothing to do, okay, yeah, I cheated. So then, so then ain't no shame in my game. Accountability, for real. October, you can't get pregnant from spit. You can't get pregnant from spit. All I got was from that man, that's it.

Well, kind of do, because—

Yeah, X that out, please.

Okay, you wanna X that one out?

Baby Karamo.

Hold on, who got the graphic ready for that? Y'all asked me for that. November the baby conceived, that's when you were him.

He was living with me.

Okay.

That's when I conceived, he was living with me. Where am I gonna do? I was working, he was at home not doing anything, laying in the house.

Okay, go ahead.

Not doing nothing. February, Ray found that DM at sextape. February is the time that his little sister, that was his birthday, he had a whole female at, well, he didn't do it, but she had me there.

So when was this February sextape from? Come take a seat for me. When was this February sextape from?

That February was that tape?

Was that made in February?

No, it was not.

OK, it was made later. I mean, earlier.

It was made probably even before— earlier, way before earlier.

Got it. OK then. OK. So that tape, did you know that was the one that you found? Do you know the one that you found?

Can we X that out?

OK, we found— OK.

X that out, please.

Because—

what?

Let me tell you something. I've been on this show now for 3 seasons, and we never had the X Out feature. So I'm glad you done brought the X Out feature.

X that out.

Okay. Okay, so from you, you're like November we were together. Yeah. From your timeline is what it is.

Uh-huh.

Okay, all right, cool. Is there one more thing you need to X out?

That man to man talk.

Okay, why do you wanna X out the man to man talk? Why you wanna X out the man to man talk?

The voice clip I just heard, right? He was talking to his mama and the only reason why he was talking to his mama, 'cause his mama was, Laid up with my daddy, first of all. First of all.

Your mother and father were having an affair? Freaking.

Freaking. Freaking.

Okay, okay.

That's the only reason why. And then what? We got into it and what? Baby, bye.

Don't talk about my daddy.

What?

So you also blame Ray's mom, why?

You asking me about his mama?

Uh-huh. Now that's potentially your child's grandmother, so hold on, just make sure, you know. You gotta go back home after the TV show.

Who the fuck gives a fuck? Okay, I'll say it. Honestly, because like why? Like what's she—

I tried, I tried.

She's worried about my shit, why? Okay, she ain't lay in my bed. She ain't do me. She ain't what?

She fed you, you laid in her house, you lived with us for a whole year.

But what does that have to do with my shit? And you lived with us and then you like what?

You was in my mother's house. Of course you gonna tell me if you're in my mother's house. Why is you cheating in my mother's house?

How was I cheating in your mother's house? House, what did you talk about? You was cheating in your own mother's house. What does that gotta do with it?

Why is it important for you to get this DNA truth today?

I want him to step up and be a father. Work financially. What did he send me, $100? This whole, like this basically, this whole time for real. How many diapers and wipes you had bought when I was with him?

None.

No money.

Okay.

'Cause she keep taking him in and out my life. I'm not finna spend money just to not see him one night.

So he's not going to. So he's not helping financially?

No, he's not.

And you're saying you're not. And the reason being is because you're saying she takes him in and outta your life and you have doubts.

But he always had access. He knew he had access. I had the last little time that we got into it, I texted him, can I have access to him?

Every time her girlfriend comes around, her girlfriend comes and texts me, oh, you think you was gonna be a family again? This my family. You can't see him or her.

You know what, normally I'll ask my producers to also just go through and get text messages from y'all. Did they ask you for that? Do we have any messages between you two? Because I need a baseline of how y'all talk. Okay, I need diapers and wipes. Wait, I don't have nothing for you, Lemar. You could've been got your test, honey. When you ready to swab, let me know. And you could've been had diapers and wipes. Okay, so you two are having issues with the way you co-parent already. And so this whole DNA test has been going on for a while. So you and your current girlfriends have a problem with him? Mm-hmm.

So every time her and her girlfriend gets on good terms, that's when they decide they wanna team up and talk a lot and just do a whole bunch of crazy stuff, either, whether it's embarrassing me or taking Zayden from me. And then when they on bad terms, that's when she comes around.

And is this like a friend or an actual intimate relationship?

This is my intimate relationship.

Your intimate relationship, your girlfriend, okay then. So you're allowing somebody else who you're intimate with to get in between their relationship, why?

It was not technical for real. The only reason that—

Because your girlfriend get mad 'cause we be having sex every time we meet.

Well, y'all met up last night. Did you two have sex last night?

No. No.

I'm gonna take that as a yes. Yeah.

No, no.

Let me, one of my greatest discernments is watching body language and I watched your shift and I watched your smile. Okay, so I know y'all had sex last night. Hold on, my producer's telling me right now that you told my producer y'all did.

Wait, what, who?

Did they tell you you did? He just said, look, I already knew it. So you already told him, don't you? Okay, so look, we got the truth, we got the real truth. We got to go. So you told my producers y'all did have sex last night? Yeah. Okay then. So why you trying to lie about it? Because you have a girlfriend right now, she doesn't know. It was true. Oh, okay. Well, this ain't gonna air for a couple weeks, so you got some time to tell her, okay? So what did Ray post on Facebook recently?

23 with no kids. 23 with no kids.

23 with no kids, Kady, I thought I would at least have one by now.

You do.

Oh.

You do. You do have one. What are you doing? Nothing.

It gotta be proven. I don't wanna keep wondering 'cause you're saying she has sex with random people. I'd rather know for a fact than keep wondering.

You're right about that, but the reason that is, you do know. Every time we are on good terms and what, we like you say, that's your baby then, that's your baby, but when—

We're on bad terms just now.

No, now you want a DNA test. That's not fair.

That's not fair to Zayden. That's not fair to Zayden.

You the one who have the attitude.

I never came to you with a problem.

Well, you know what? So yesterday we were on social media and we asked this question. The question was, your dad told your man that you were cheating on him and now he doesn't believe that the child is his. And I want to know if y'all thought that was messy or not. I have my opinion on it and 78% of y'all thought it was messy that your father said something like that.

It was messy. I believe it's saying that, yes, it was messy.

And the reason I think it's messy is because if there's no physical proof, like—

Like it wasn't. All he did was walk in and seen me and somebody on the couch watching TV.

On TV.

Yeah, he didn't see anything.

Do you and your father have a good relationship?

We actually do. Like, that's, that's my twin now.

That's your twin?

Yeah, that's my twin now.

Dad, why you gonna do this to your twin then?

I wish I had a picture, but yes, me and him is like really close.

Well, listen, I think it's time to unlock the DNA truth.

My baby!

Listen, in this envelope is the DNA truth to X out all this doubt. Ray, you're the one that has questions about all of this. So this is your truth to open, not mine. If you could read it out loud.

Zayden is your biological son.

I did it! I did it! I know I'm done! Done! Done! Congratulations. Congratulations. You're watching me like, "What the hell?" Yeah, you do. I get it.

I get it. Like, 3 things, like, for real, because For what? You did this to me this whole entire time. Can you please like do what you gotta do? I'ma stop what? Bring like what? What did you say I did? Stop hiding them from you, taking them from you, okay. But can you step up financially? Can you take them? I'm tired, for real, I'm tired. I need to go out. I need to party sometimes.

You put yourself through that, not me.

No, I really didn't, Raymond, 'cause every time we got into it—

The person you really with is the reason why you don't talk to me or don't see me.

Well, listen, at the end of the day, what she's saying to you she's committing that she's gonna stop. Those are the first words out of her mouth.

That's literally what I said.

Those are the first words. So if y'all are gonna have to co-parent now, y'all gonna have to hear each other and all the past and all these emotions that are mixed in, you have to put those aside for Zayden because at the end of the day, he deserves to have two parents that are hearing each other and they're gonna step up. So she said, I will stop being inconsistent, I will stop holding away from you. But she's then asking, will you then step up financially and make sure you have the job to do what you need to do. Can you commit that to her?

I most definitely can.

Thank you. Yeah.

That's all I asked for you.

Listen, I'll tell y'all, y'all are young and y'all are highly spirited. I do think that the time you all been together has clouded a lot of emotions and y'all use intimacy as a way of reconnecting, which I believe y'all first of all should stop doing that altogether. It might be good, it might be comfortable, but it's only gonna cause confusion. And I think from this point on, y'all should say anytime y'all speak to each other, the first thing you should do when you get on the phone, and I had to do this with my son's mother, is say, hey, before we talk about anything else, we need to talk about our child and make sure that he's safe and secure. If you do that and it's the top of your conversation, then you make sure, and that aligns you in a way that everything you do is for Zayden's security, okay? If you can do that, I promise you, you'll go through for the next 18, 21, 30 years, making sure your son's a priority and he's never gonna feel like I got in the middle of mom and dad stuff, okay? Yeah. My producer, he just wrote, the only ex you should worry about is the example you set for your son. I like that. Okay, those are not my words. I like that.

Thank you.

Thank you. My producer Andrew just said that. I appreciate that, Andrew. That's right. The only ex you should worry about as an example for your son. I appreciate that, all right? Listen, I wish y'all the best of luck. Good luck, all right?

Thank you.

Your daddy owe you an apology for all that, all right? So make sure you get that apology from him, okay? All right, listen, here we go.