You've Cheated Before, Now Unlock Your Phone! | KARAMO

First of all, let me ask you, how you on crutches? What happened?

Ooh wee, this is a story to tell. So me and my girlfriend, Nori, we had an argument. I laid down, everyone was gone, lights was out. Next thing I know, I see lights flashing up the steps and I hear, "Kaylin, come out with your hands up." I jump out the window.

What?

I take off running. Someone had called, reported that we was arguing. It was like a wellness check. So when the police came into the apartment, I was unaware of anyone coming in the apartment. So me hearing my name and seeing the flashing lights, my first instinct was run.

Got it. Run. Okay. So were you on the second floor or something? Yes. And so you jumped out the window and you broke your ankle?

Put my pants on, threw my boots on, straight out the window I went.

Do you got some felonies or something we don't know about?

Yes, I had did 5 years in prison.

Got it.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay, 'cause that sound like a, that seemed like a knee-jerk reaction.

Like a little erratic. Yeah, it was a quick reflex of—

Of like, oh snap, I might be in trouble. But you're not in trouble. So what happened when the police caught you?

They basically said they was just coming to do a wellness check. If I wanted to calm down, they was just gonna make sure I got my stuff and leave peacefully.

Got it. Okay then. Well, we are here to unlock your phone, correct? Correct. Okay, yeah. And tell me about that.

My girlfriend Nori, she always accusing me of cheating. I got caught cheating before, but what led to me cheating was—

So you're not a good boyfriend?

I am a good boyfriend. It was just, that's the only thing bad she could say that I done.

Well, that's a pretty bad thing to say.

For months I communicated that the energy that she was giving me, it just wasn't the same energy that I put into her.

Okay.

So when it comes to like us getting intimate, she's not intimate. It takes for her just to be intoxicated, drunk, just to get intimate with me.

Oh, okay. So then why not leave?

'Cause I love her. And you know, sex is not everything of this world.

Well, clearly it was because you cheated.

Yeah.

And I just say that just about being honest with ourselves and about what we really want because you're saying like it's not important, but then you want it. So, you know, if you're not feeling like she's validating you, then it's okay to leave. But then to cheat, that's now you become the villain. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So how long have you been dating?

We've been together 2 and a half years. We were both—

Oh, look at y'all. Oh, y'all so sweet. What is this?

That was at my mom's wedding. She was my plus one to my mom's wedding.

Okay, this is cute. Okay, y'all look cute together. So 2 and a half years. And when did you start cheating?

It was about probably 6, 7 months into the relationship. I had communicated that the energy that she was giving me, it was just like she was too tired to do anything with me. I wanted, I had to beg. And I communicated that for so many times. And after communicating for so many times, I took it upon myself like, you know what, fuck it, I'll go get it somewhere else.

Got it.

And got caught in the act.

Got it. You do know there's a little immaturity in saying like, well, I've asked you for something, she's given it to me, and now because I'm not getting it the way I want it is immature and trifling.

Mm-hmm.

You see that, right?

Mm-hmm.

Even when I got caught cheating, like she even like women, so it was, to the point to where she was like, "You messing it up for me. Like, I like females. So if you wanna mess with another female, fuck, we could have did that together as a package." And you know.

And the plot thickens. Okay, got it.

Hi.

Hi, Nari, how you doing? Welcome to the show.

Hello.

So what happened at the end of July?

So at the end of July is when I got the keys to my apartment. Okay. During that timeframe, like right before then we were broken up. We had just got back together at the end of July. Okay. And we had, and I hadn't been in the home like not even a week. He decides to go to a game night. There was a mutual friend, slept with the mutual friend and now the mutual friend's pregnant.

Yo.

Yep, yep, yep. And it's just like, oh.

Kailan, Kailan, Kailan, you didn't mention that earlier. No, he did not. When you were saying, I just need her to give me more, like you didn't mention you got someone pregnant.

It happened when we separated.

No, we did not.

It did not.

It happened while we were together.

After the fact, she took me back and a few weeks later we found out she was pregnant.

No, we found out she was pregnant because we were both cool with her. She talked to both of us. "And all that stuff you saying, I'm listening. Like everything you were saying is things that I vocalized to you. We don't do things together. I wanna do more things together." Get in a relationship, we was animated, everything was fine. The relationship was fine. You have been cheating since the beginning of the relationship. Wasn't 6, 7 months in. We gotta be honest right now and just tell it what it is.

So from your recollection, he started cheating at the very beginning?

Yes, like.

What made you stay after the first time you caught him cheating?

If I'm being honest, It was like, I feel like I was so used to leaving dudes for less. I'm older now, I'm like, people make mistakes. Let's see if I can stick this out, make it work. And I failed to love him really quickly. He has a way with words and the face. Like, it was a lot. It's a lot. Like, it just, it was hard, I don't know. I just stayed.

So why do you wanna stay with him?

It's like, he always asks me that and I tell him like, I stay Because I see the potential. I see the potential in him being a great man. Like, if it wasn't for the fact that he cheats as much as he does, and he always tell me it's temptation, or I'm just being a man, this, this, that. If it wasn't for that quality, that one thing, he has the potential, so much potential. My daughter loves him, all that.

Mm-hmm.

It would be fine, but—

I don't know, so who taught you to fall in love with potential? Where did you get that example and that model?

Yeah. Because this is a serious question.

Because you're not the only young woman I've heard that. There's something, I don't know where in our culture we've taught women to fall in love with potential instead of reality. Right. You have to fall in love with reality. And the reality is you just said outta your mouth, well, I see his potential outside of him cheating on me consistently. Right. So what you're actually saying is I'm ignoring the fact that he's been cheating on me, which means there's something going on with you. So I wanna know who taught you to fall in love with potential.

Honestly, I don't think it's more so nobody taught me. It's a thing where I don't like being alone. And it took me forever to admit that to myself. And he was affectionate. He felt, to me, he felt that space of being alone. Even though he cheats, maybe if I changed it, I blame myself, like change this about myself, fix this. If I bring women in, maybe you'll stop cheating. Certain things I was thinking to myself would work. And he wasn't, it's like he wasn't seeing. I would tell him all the time, "You don't see me. I'm trying to show you who I am and you're not seeing me." Like, I don't know, it was hard.

Thank you for that vulnerability and sharing that with me. He made the claim that you only have sex with him when you're drunk. Is that true?

So if we're being honest, it was easier, and I ain't never like admitting this, it was easier to sleep with him when drunk after all the infidelity. Like to me—

I figured that.

To me like it's almost easier like to not think about it. Like okay, like, mm-hmm. And then it's like you want this oral 25/9? You want me to fuck your bitch how my shit fucking everybody else's bitch? Oh! Make it make sense. Like I'm not understanding.

So you've searched his phone before?

Plenty of times.

And what did you find?

A lot. No, I seen so basically like I've seen nudes, I've seen him texting other women like "I'm on my way," "I'm outside." I've seen like, I can't wait to see you. I'm sorry I can't. Yeah, I've seen quite a lot.

Quite a lot. Well, we have some of these text messages. Can I take a look at some of these text messages? I can't sleep, you all on my mind. I love you, I want you, I need you every way possible.

Oh, is that?

What is it gonna take? I crave you more and more. Is this a text message you're sending?

That's the one he had an affair with for 3 months.

I guess she's drunk hoping that this is not, hoping I can tell you by how you, I ain't getting that. You giving me everything I want in a woman, okay?

Oh, I remember that.

So when she confronted you, what did you say?

I'm caught.

Okay.

The girl told on him because he was feeding her lies thinking it was gonna be something that it wasn't and she got fed up and told me.

In the beginning I told her what it was. Like she knew I had a girl, But after so long she was like, "Why won't you leave her? Why won't you leave her?" I don't wanna leave. This is where my heart belongs. But at the same time, I'm looking for certain things. You was just where I came to when I wasn't with my woman.

Okay, so I'm assuming at some point he blamed you for his cheating.

Most of the time he do. Like he'll tell like, if we arguing real bad, like when he gets upset, he gets upset, he gets the, his temper gets really there. So, and when he's upset he'll say hurtful things. And he'll say, well, why you think I do it? Why you think I do it? Oh, oh, so what's the reason? I'm like, so what you saying? What you saying is me? He like, well, you not doing this. And when you do do this, you're like, you don't wanna do it. I wonder why. I wonder why.

Okay, I understand. Well, listen, we're here to unlock his phone, correct?

Mm-hmm, yes, yes, yes.

'Cause you wanna know what's going on the phone, right?

Please.

All right, well, it's time to unlock the phone.

Mm-hmm.

Kailan, we unlocked your phone. All right, Nari, you wanna know if Kaelan is texting with any other women. He says he is not. My locked phone investigator searched his texts and found that Kaelan is not telling the truth. My investigator found 34 deleted text messages plus one from Sunday where he shared his location to have another woman come over.

That was—

Hold on, hold on, hold on. That was a buddy of mine. You ain't got nothing to say because Sunday, I was in the hospital Sunday.

You was. But did no female come over Sunday?

I got a camera, you know that, right? Mm-hmm. Let me tell you something. I told you I knew 'cause you forget you disappeared in my car as well. And just like that man was ready to get at it with you about his girl, is that her? 'Cause you was finna get it done. Happening.

Settled. What happened was a buddy of mine had another girlfriend, another girl in his car, and his main girlfriend had shared her location with me. And I was trying to tell him that, Karamo.

You've been texting the girlfriend that now. That's the girl you've been talking to. Remember I told you, I know.

I know.

You took his girlfriend and been talking to his girlfriend.

Never wanted the girl.

Be for real. Let's continue on. Nari, you wanna know if Kalen is sending and receiving any explicit photos or videos to women. He says he is not. My Lock the Phone investigator searched his photos and found that Kailan is not telling the truth. My investigator found 932 videos, including 34 videos of you masturbating, 29 videos of sexual activities, and various other women showing random women masturbating. 932.

Honey, look, look, look, look, look, let me tell you something. Woo! So if we're being real here, I knew what it was and I knew he was gonna get on here and lie. It's just more so, when he came back, he been back since September, he told me and I told him like, if you wanna go be free, go ahead, like be cool. Don't come home if you're not sure. You were clearly not sure.

I was for sure.

You were not sure. If you were sure, you wouldn't have been on that. And I gave you the opportunity to go do that. I give you opportunity after opportunity after opportunity. Do I not tell you to go be safe? I'm single? Do I not tell you could go out there? You do. But you don't and you stay to still do the same shit. Why? Why? Make it make sense. Why?

Because.

Because what?

I got bored in a relationship.

If you don't care and I gave you the opportunity to say that, why was you bored? But since, since. Why was you bored? I been cooking, cleaning, working, paying bills, all of the sudden. How long did it take you to do that? What do you mean I was doing that? You made me doing that. You leave work to try to catch me cheating. Honey, I don't have to leave work to catch you cheating. You do. You cheat anyway. You cheat anyway.

You right. But I believe you.

Let's continue on. You the catch, quit playing with me. You right.

Nari, you wanna know if Kalen has been DMing with any other women. He says he has not. My on-the-phone investigator searched his DMs and found that Kalen is not telling the truth. My investigator found 278 messages with a variety of women, such as videos sent of himself masturbating, one woman referring to him as daddy, and one woman stating that she was falling for him in October. Daddy, I miss you, I need you, I got you, baby. This the evidence bag?

Oh my God.

Can I see the evidence bag, Ralph?

Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. Thank you, Ralph. I was not, this right here, it's like, it's not a shocker, but it's like, 'cause he lie and he lie, but at the same time, I'm not expecting to see this. I asked him at the room, I asked him on the way here, are you sure, are you sure, are you sure, are you sure?

Positive.

You sure? We don't have to go here and do this if you not sure. Clearly you wasn't fucking with me.

Is this videos and stuff you're sending to other women? You've already seen them.

Instagram.

These on Instagram?

Who wasn't lying? Oh, she wasn't lying. Who the fuck wasn't lying? Bitches is out here telling motherfuckers what you got going on. That is disgusting. You embarrassing me. I feel embarrassed. 'Cause the next bitch could talk and kiki behind my back about my shit.

Can I see that photo of y'all again?

Are you still talking about shit?

Can I see that photo of them again? This photo. Control room, I wanna be messy. Can y'all put some fire on that dumpster? Fire!

Fire! Fire! Fire! Fire!

I need you, look back. I need you to look back. You see this? That's what your relationship is, a dumpster fire. That's what this relationship is. Okay, what I'm gonna do from right now is I'm gonna hand you these crutches. You're 25 years old and you don't, haven't yet learned how to be a man or how not to manipulate women. So I can't work on you. So thank you for being here. I'm gonna have you walk up the stage. Now you come, you come close, you come close, you come close. You gimme these, you gimme these, you gimme these. No, you gimme these, you gimme these. Come on, come on. It's time for some big cousin talk, okay? Because this is really not about him anymore. That's why I asked him to leave. This is about you and your self-esteem. Right. This is about you and what you believe you deserve.

Ooh, ooh, I am angry. Ooh, I'm so mad. This is embarrassing.

So what I want you to say right now is I know you're angry, but what you're actually doing is grieving the relationship you thought grieving an illusion you thought. Let's use proper language. You're grieving an illusion you had. You knew the man he was.

For sure.

But somewhere in your self-esteem, you were told that, oh, this is what it is.

The way I was raised, things were drilled into your head at certain points. So when he was, it's you, it's you, it's you. I was always, I'm a submissive woman. So I feel like when it come to certain things, maybe if it's, I do this, then this'll be that. I need to break the cycle at this point.

You do. So what do we need to start doing to get you to get to the place where your self-esteem says, "I don't deserve this"?

I need to, for starters, learn to be alone. I don't have to need a man to be okay.

I'm so glad you said that.

Yeah, yeah. It starts there. It starts there.

So that was the first thing I said here. It starts there. When you told me that you were scared of being alone. I knew that's where this started from.

Mm-hmm.

I'm hoping that you can really walk off this stage and stop seeing the potential in men and start seeing the potential in yourself.

Oh yeah. I really do. I really do. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm gonna tell you something. You don't need a crutch, okay? You don't. And I want you to look at this photo one more time. That's what that relationship is, a dumpster fire. Please don't go back to it for your sake, okay? Do not go back to this. Do not. Do not. I know it hurts. Do not, okay? Here you go. Do not go back to it. You hear me?

Mm-hmm.

You deserve more than this. Give me your hand. You deserve more than this, you hear me? Please remember that, okay?