JOA Publishing Author Summit with Denise Alley

All right, welcome, everyone, to this beautiful author summit. My name is Kira Brinton. I am the founder of Joan of Arc Publishing. We once were Freedom House Publishing. We've now recently shifted over to this new brand, this new name, because everything that we publish over here is equal to the bravery, the courage of Joan of Arc. She was such an icon and an inspiration of how we lead with our hearts, lead with divine inspiration, and change the world. And that's everything that we do over here. We write books that change the world. And these author summits are things we do for our published authors, where we get to celebrate the book that was birthed, but also get to meet the author and we get to have powerful experiences together. So today is going to be. We always range between 30 minutes to an hour. We always feel into where we're going to be with this summit. So we hold open at least 30 minutes, if not an hour, for the summit. We'll see where we go today. And I'm very excited to introduce to you one of our newest authors, which is Denise Alley. Denise, I'm just so happy to celebrate you today.

Thank you so much, Kara.

I'm excited to be here too.

It is so much fun. So everybody who's popping in, welcome. We're so happy that you're here and we're. There will be an opportunity today for you guys to ask in these questions. There's going to be an opportunity for you guys to share if you feel comfortable. And I believe that when we are in this space, everybody's going to receive inspiration. So any ideas that come to you, any thoughts that come to you, any aha moments that you have, write them down. Otherwise they get deleted. It's something I call spiritual amnesia. And what happens is we receive something, we don't bring it to earth. It gets deleted. So I want everything that you hear in your heart today to stay with you so that this hour today makes a massive impact. Now, to make a massive impact, I need my computer to not die. And I just realized that it is on its last little leg. So we're gonna charge it while we do this. That feels like a great idea. Okay, so I would love for you, Denise, to just introduce yourself. Why don't you tell us a little bit about who you are and then, of course, show us your book and tell us the title.

Okay, great. Well, my name is Denise Alley and I'm originally from Oklahoma, and on my mother's side, I am Cherokee and Shawnee and Delaware, Native American. And on my father's side, I'm Otoma, Zurich. And I've lived here in the valley for about 30 years. And I have one son and three wonderful, fun granddaughters and one new grandson. And I've been a speaker and a workshop trainer for native tribes for the last 30 years. And I also do performing and singing, my native culture. And I am so excited to announce Native Soul Heart and Healing. And I was.

It was a journey, but I'm so excited it did. It's here.

And appreciate Kara and Joan of Arc Publishing for helping me at Freedom House and Joan of Arc for helping me publish this book and get my stories out to people that will hopefully help you.

Well, it's such an honor. It was such an honor to work with you and this book. I'm so happy it's here. It's so beautiful. You can show the COVID again. I want you to go a little bit closer to the camera so they can see the detail of the beaded heart. I would love for you to share with us the story of the beaded heart. Why did you put the beaded heart on the front cover?

Okay. Well, in our culture, we do well is pretty much open, but different tribes or schools will do a powwow. And that's where a lot of Native Americans come together. And the men are out, usually around the drum. There's several drums, and they sing beautiful songs. And then tribal members come and they dance in their beauty, their beautiful regalia, their beadwork, their feathers and, you know, their applique cloth shawls. And they come and dance and around the drum and there's a lot of singers, and it's very beautiful. And I purchased this beaded earring. They're earrings. But I thought, wouldn't that be great to put on a book cover? Because it's heart and it has all the colors in it and it has like, an arrow pointing up. And to me, that's like pointing to heaven, pointing to the Creator, pointing to God and that. It's a journey. And so I thought it'd be fun to put this on the book. Native Soul Heart and Healing. I talk a lot about I'm healing our hearts and feeling love and being open. And then I just have the rays coming out, out from the heart.

And I have a funny story right off when I said that.

Being Cherokee, I was with my sister a couple of years ago, and she said, let's go out and see Crossland, who is a Cherokee medicine man. I said, sure. And so we drove out in the country, and out in the field, they've got you know, cows out there, you can hear them. And green fields and just, you know, kind of. It's a lot of farmland. And we went out there south of Tahlequah, Oklahoma, which is Cherokee Nation. And so we met with this wonderful man. And he's just dressed normal, and he's older, and he had a rock on the end of a string, and it's kind of circling, and he's just. He just finished smoking a cigarette, and he looked at me and he says, I know what you have, but I'm like, what is it?

And he said, you have a mental illness. You think too much with your head.

And you don't feel enough with your heart. And I'm like, oh, that's good.

And so I really take that to heart.

And I noticed that my mind will just kind of keep racing a lot, but when I quiet down, then I'm able to tune into my heart. And so that's kind of part of my journey of writing this book, is stopping and listening to my heart into insight and not just kind of let my mind just kind of keep going and going. Like, in our society, we have so many things to do, and so this helps me slow down.

Oh, I love that story. I love that story. And it's so. I mean, how many so struggle with this? Most humans struggle thinking too much with the mind and not enough with the heart. And you really bring the heart through with this book. And I would love for you to read the subtitle that you have on your book. Could you read that to us?

Yes. A Weaving of Stories, Blessings, and Ways to Overcome Victimhood.

So I think in my life, I.

Have dealt with overcoming feeling like a victim. One of the ways is I kind of compared myself to the regular white culture around me. And one of the stories I started out with is, as a young girl in kindergarten, I was being sexually abused and couldn't say anything and was very quiet. I didn't even really admit that until I was well into my adult years. But back then, I was very quiet and feeling bad about myself and not being able to speak up or have a voice to be heard. I just kept it all secret. And I sat next to a beautiful girl who was blonde in kindergarten with curly hair, long hair, and a pretty dress on. And we were coloring, and she was coloring perfectly in the lines. And I looked at my paper and.

It was all over the place.

And I looked at my clothes, and I didn't like my dark pants or my striped shirt and my hair was, you know, chopped off. And I just, like, I compared myself. And so that kind of began a journey of, oh, I. Maybe I'm not as good enough or just comparing myself. I don't know if anyone else has.

Done that in their life.

But I just kind of grew up feeling that way. And it just kind of showed up, you know, in my life a lot. And I think there's a stereotype around Native Americans, as, you know, they are from reservations or a lot of drinking. There's a lot of drug problems. And people kind of hear that or the way they're portrayed on. On television. But I'm here to say that that isn't. That is true. But I have been able to be blessed to travel to Native communities throughout the country. And I've met great people that are very evolved in their thinking, that are into healing and that are into, like, working and making their communities better with all the different departments that. And helping people with the jobs and career skills. And there's wellness centers that they call for not only physical exercise, but, you know, mental exercise as well. And so I think I've just kind of come a long ways in that. I used to kind of be stuck in that. And that part of this is part of the message of the book of overcoming that victim thinking and not to put down others who may have come through severe abuse or severe trauma.

To me, victimhood was one who whines and complains and bitches, and I think I was always good at that. Whining and complaining and comparing is something that. That I've done a lot. And maybe, you know, I still do, but I don't stay there as long. So that's good news.

Well, I think that's a beautiful. Because everybody has victim parts. You can't be human and not have victim parts. Like, it's just not possible, especially if you've been through trauma. One thing that always comes to me, one time, my therapist, I said, I just feel like a victim. And she said, were you a victim to abuse? And it was this very clean, like, yeah. And then it was like, oh, now I get to accept that part and choose differently. Was like I was running away. Running away from the victim. Right. So I love how you brought in this book that I love how you painted it with your words that it weaves stories and blessings to help unwind the victim stories, because we all have them. Can't be human and not have them. And you said a really important piece which was shorten the amount of time that you stay there. Right. So if you were talking to all these beautiful people who are here live and recorded. How could you help somebody shorten the amount of time in victim land? Because we're all going to dance there. We're all going to go there. So how do we help people get out of it and to shorten the amount of time they spend there?

Okay, good question. Well, I've put different topics or sections, and one I think as I start out is just being aware. Just being aware and being open in your thinking. And I start out by part of it is a respect for the earth. Then I go into forgiveness, victimhood. I actually have a little quiz in our victimhood. And then I have a section on healing and a section on blessings and gratitude and then a section on prayer and the ending with renew. And. And as I start out with a book, I think just being aware. One time I was very depressed and I called a very good friend. I think part of is reaching out to someone, acknowledging being heard. Hey, I'm having a hard time. And she said, I, well, going in your backyard and sit on the earth.

You know, and what a concept, right?

Just getting back to nature and sitting on the earth. And I just kind of began to pray. And I actually lit a little candle. And as I looked at that candle, it brought back a wonderful memory of the first time I went inside our Native American church teepee. And I just talk about being aware of that. You know, our mind we can get like, oh, I'm stuck in this. But if we do take action, being on the earth is wonderful. And I sat there and I remembered going inside the teepee. And in my family, my grandparents on both my mother and father's side went inside the teepee as a form of prayer. And that's why they call it the Native American church. And they would sit, sing and pray all night long in the teepee. And they would use peyote. And what's interesting is, and I make.

I mentioned this book, I didn't know peyote was a drug until I went to college. My grandmother had great spit, you know, and if we.

She used it for medicinable purpose. Like if I fell down and skinned my knees, she'd make a pulse of it and put it on my knee with a bandage. Or if we were sick or had a fever or something, she would give us a T. And so in my mind it was helpful. And so actually I talk about going inside that teepee and hearing those songs. And as a little girl, I never went inside the teepee. I always was on the outside. And I Would help with. With the cooking and. And serving the meals and doing the dishes at my great aunt's place out in the country in White Oak. But anyway, as an. As a college student, I went inside, and I was just sitting in the backyard, feeling depressed and going back to that memory. It brought great healing to my heart and to my mind because I remembered those beautiful songs that my ancestors sang. And as I said, in that circle on ground, it was as if I could hear my grandfathers and grandmothers being there with me, and I could hear them sing.

And then when the beauty was passed around and I'm like, do I take a bite or not?

And I was quiet, and it spoke to me and said, take a bite of me, and I will sustain you all night long to keep you awake. And as I did, I just took a little nibble, and it was very, very bitter. But I was able to stay up all night, and I was able to feel my heart being open. And so I share that in the first chapter. And I just think that for those of you that may be dealing with depression, you can go out and sit on the ground. You can, you know, pray. And then one of the ways, too, is forgiveness. And that has been big for me. There are different forms of, you know, people can forgive, but I've been involved with Muscle testing, with Muscle Testing Academy, where they really do stress forgiveness, and. And they've been able to do that.

A lot with past things, whatever's coming up for the day, you know, if I'm putting on makeup and going, oh.

I feel old or I'm not, you know, is this. And that I can simply forgive.

I forgive myself for comparing myself and wishing I was younger or whatever that is.

And it just helps me let that go in the moment and, you know, energetically letting that go and clapping, anticipating that energy. I talk about that in the book Forgiveness. And I think healing can come in a variety of ways. It isn't just one way, but healing can come through prayer, through just being in attendance of people. One of the ways is I was sitting at a drum, My father was singing, and I had a hard time.

With my dad, who doesn't have a hard time with their father. My father was very close, didn't share.

A lot of love or hugs, and had things going on in his own life, but he was singing at the drama. And I'm sitting there behind the drum, just feeling resentful and, you know, the past things that my father had even done to my mother, and she was a victim.

I was a Victim and just feeling.

Down and, and just being in that moment and hearing that drumbeat is like I could tune in to these men that were singing and dancing around me. It was a gore dance where veterans were singing and they were dancing to the beat of the drum on that earth. And it was if I heard.

We.

Are not all abusers. We are fathers, we are sons, we are your brothers. And that was a healing, wonderful moment for me to not keep that judgment of men or being sexually abused, you know, in my heart that I was able to heal at that moment.

So I think I talk a lot.

About just being aware of and then.

Acknowledging blessings when they come.

And blessings can come through friends, prayer, who shows up. You know, I guess I'm kind of.

Like really going on a roll here.

But I'll go into another story of blessings. I always prayed before, always pray before I go up to speak. And I always say, okay, God, Christ, creator, use me. I'm available to go out and, and to do training. And I do start development, training, customer service, team building, communication, motivation. And then I always include the spiritual as well. Right. And so I was on my way to California and my son was just in grade school. We were going, driving to California to my nephews boot camp graduation in San.

Diego and my car began to overfume, it began to fume and I stopped.

I was scared. Long story short, it needed to have a radiator flush and I was able to get help and get that done. And then I'm on my way to California. I only had so much on my.

Credit card, just very little.

And we get to the beach and my son go, let's go to the beach. And we were able to see my, my nephew the next day. But we went to the beach and he's, we're on the beach and I'm standing there looking at the beautiful sunset and my son was just having fun with the waves and the ocean right there. And I remember my mom telling me that her mom and grandma would say, whenever you see the water, go and bless yourself. So I remember going over to the edge of the water and just seeing, thank you, water, thank you. And just kind of putting it on my heart in my head. And I just quietly said, and bless me that I'll be able to have more work.

Bless me that I'll be able, you.

Know, help me to know how I can best better serve. And as an entrepreneur, I think some of you out there, out there may.

Know, hey, I need a little help here.

I need a little bit more Income. And I turned around and on the beach were two Native American men. They were like, you know, olive skinned.

And you just can't avoid it, you know. So I walked over and I said, hi, good evening. Where are y' all from?

And they said, we're from up north, Bishop. I go, oh, what tribe are you?

He goes, bishop Piute.

And I go, oh, great. And they go, what tribe are you? And I said, I'm from Oklahoma. I'm Cherokee, and I'm here for my nephew's graduation. And then I asked bravely, do you ever, ever need any workshops or training? They go, yeah, we do. Do you have a card?

I said, sure. I went back to the car and.

Gave car and gave him my card. And to this day, and it's been 20 years later, I am still blessed working with that tribe. And it was just like within four months of that meeting that I was able to go there and do a training for the Bishop Pine tribe. And it was a blessing to be there. And then now, 20 years later, I'm still working with that tribe with the different departments. And I'm so very thankful. It's like giving honor to people around you, giving honor whether they're tribal people or whoever they are, and being open. And that was a great, great, great blessing that day through prayer.

But anyway.

Anyway, that's a beautiful story, Denise, and such a witness of the path that you've walked, the path of forgiveness and the path of faith. It's like, I just hear just so much forgiveness that you've walked through and just such mighty faith, the faith of following what you were taught, going and blessing and asking and to watch the miracles. Like, what a beautiful path. And that's really what your book leads. Your book leads people through this, through the process that you've walked, which allows them to then create that for them. So I want to open up to all of our beautiful guests here. If there's something that you want to ask Denise or if you had an experience with her book that you want to share, this would be the perfect time to do that. Anyone want to share?

You know I'm good for it.

I love it.

Holly. Hi.

She's my friend.

I love the title of your chapter, Self Righteous Bitch. And the quote, like, right before. Can I share that quote from your book?

It's really helpful.

Okay. Behind every bitch is a nice girl who got pushed too far and then exploded. Really good quote at the beginning. And it's from, like, Anonymous. Some bitch that didn't want to be named. No, I'M kidding, but I'm like, yes. And then in this chapter you have like, how to dismantle some of like your complaints and upsets and stuff. So it's just like a really concise way. I'm like, I even I'll tell you the pages, page 80 and 79, where you help us work through things that we're pretending and how we hold on to stuff. So like, that makes a difference for. For me. So thank you for that chapter and all of your chapters. I love your story. You're an exceptional storyteller and you've lived an exceptional life. I mean, you just, you got some guts. You're pretty unstoppable. So I love hearing your stories and having them all in one place. So thank you for putting that. And then my question is maybe two parts, but really, like, what was your favorite part of this process of writing the book and. Or favorite part of your book? And then what was your least favorite process of this? Like, what kind of did you get.

Hung up on anything?

Like, how was the writing process for you?

That's a good question, Holly. But I just want to back up.

Just a step when I say self righteous bitches. Because if I'm judging myself so harshly, then sometimes I judge other people, right?

Or I'm judging other people and then.

I had an awareness, no, I'm not judging them, I'm judging me. So someone kind of crossed me or said something that I didn't like, or they were like pointing fingers. And in my mind I'm going, you self righteous. Who are you, you know, to judge me? And then I thought, ah, wait a minute, I could be.

So again going.

Through that step of forgiveness of that.

And again it goes back to forgiving myself for comparing.

So anyway, thank you, Holly. But yeah, I. I can.

And I think growing up I was always like nice and pleasing and all that kind of thing. And in fact I still am quite a bit.

But I think I kind of realized, well, don't push me too far because that part of me can come out. So, you know, just acknowledging it and.

Then just moving, moving through and forgiving. So thank you, Holly.

But the question, I just have to.

Admit this is a collection of stories.

And I actually did a self published.

Book probably 15 years ago just on Native Heart, and it was just on seven. Seven stories. But as I began to work on this process because I'm older now and I've experienced more and as I began to get aha moments, then it was.

Fun to write because it's like that.

Really happened, you know. And so for me, it was. It was pretty fun to remember those stories and then put them on paper. And I want to just give one.

Tip that I did is just write it and you know, because before I.

Can get caught up and like, it doesn't sound right. Is it okay? But just writing it and getting out there and then you can just kind of refine and add it.

And then I kind of took it too far. I edited till I was actually blue. I can't edit anymore. But it just seemed to get smoother.

And smoother and smoother as I went along. So one of my fun stories is I'll share with you. Well, all of them.

I do love them all. And I share great.

A great story about my father's passing. In fact, I guess that's the one to share. My father was bigger than life. He was 6, 4. He always had a big, beautiful beady medallion and he had long, long hair and he loved to share culture. And we go anywhere and we dress.

Up in our outfits and you just.

Start beating the drum in the middle.

Of the street or you just forced his way into the super bowl and performed at halftime with the other people. He was just bigger than life.

And.

He met Willie Nelson, wanted to meet Willie Nelson. And so I was in college at the time, and he, Willie Nelson was performing at Caesar's Palace. So he. We all dressed up in our wonderful outfits and my brothers and their feathers and my dad with his drum.

And we go to the bottom of the penthouse at the elevator in Caesar's Palace. And he talked to the guy at the elevator, hi, we're here to meet Willie Nelson. And he's like, okay, goes up, hey, Willie, there's a bunch of Indians down there that want to come up and say hello. Willie Nelson said, send them up. That's how my dad started his beautiful.

Friendship with Willie Nelson. And we actually do performing with him at the Farm Aid benefit concert with Willie Nelson every year. We've done that going on 30 years now. But back to my story. When my father passed. In fact, it was just the day after farming, he passed. And he didn't come to that, that one, but just sharing my emotion and gratitude for him. And actually he passed away in Nebraska. And I flew out to Nebraska. And then I drove my dad's body and coffin with my other. With my sister and her husband and.

A few people in a red shiny van with this big coffee in the backstream back and we drove across.

But as I got there in the evening, thank you for listening. There were beautiful, humble native people that Omaha tribal people that came and they would sing songs and they would tell stories of my dad and how much they loved him. We were in an old gym, we ate bologna sandwiches, we had corn soup, we had fried bread, you know, and it was just so humble. And then the old ones sang beautiful songs and burn cedar and sage to carry us through. As we drove. My father's body, we left at midnight, got in Red Rock, Oklahoma, like it six in the morning and I'm driving my dad and I'm looking and I'm feeling like a little girl looking in the rear view mirror at my dad's long casket.

We stopped to get some gas and.

I went and got some hot chocolate. And on the speaker was Neil Young's song, oh man, look at my life like you were. And I just started crying. My dad adopted Neil Young as an Indian brother and we performed with him also at his benefit concerts for handicapped children. And I knew and felt love at that time. And that was a very powerful story.

And so I'm typing this and re.

Editing and it just brings me joy to bring that all, you know, all the different stories. So that was the fun part.

The part that I didn't like was.

Did I edit it enough? Does it need a period here? Does it need a comma, should I say right? Or wrote? And then I luckily had an editor that, that I actually helped me do that. And then it made a little bit easier. But I remember just crying, praying and crying at the computer like am I.

Doing the right thing?

Is God? Am I real? You know, and I heard who I want to read this book, will read this book. And so I humbly share this with all of you out there that may be looking for ways to feel better and more peace and not feel so much like a victim and have recognize blessings in your life. Maybe what you see means what you see in you and realize that prayers are heard. We are supported from on high and with each other. And so may you feel that peace and forgiveness and healing in your life through this, this book that I share with my heart to all of you.

Thank you Denise, so beautiful.

And Holly, I just love your question. Thank you for, for jumping in and sharing those questions and, and Holly is a two time author with us. She has two books and so it was just like so fun to have her here as well. Anyone else want to ask a question or share something that you got from reading this book?

I do.

Hello Emily, how are you?

I was eating my lunch so I Had to, you know, not do video for that. That's not what you want to see. No, I agree with Holly. The storytelling in this book is phenomenal. And there, Denise, you have a way of just, like, being so authentic, and, you know, you're so cool, and I kind of want to be your friend, and just that whole essence of you just comes through in your writing. So I like the book. I liked it very much. My question is, because you're such a gifted storyteller, there's more. What is it? What's next?

Oh, God. You know, actually, Carrie, I think you'll like hearing this.

I'm like, yeah, there's more like that, which is kind of like a baby. The baby part. And then I'm like, there's more. Yeah, there is.

Thank you, Emily. You are my friend, girl. You are. You guys are my friends.

But, yeah, I'm thinking, yeah, there is more. Just more awareness.

I think. Well, life has its experiences, so I'm not the same as I was even six. Six months ago. So I think insights that we go.

Through and that you go through in life, that happened. Yeah, that my dad has passed. It's been. It's been 13 years. I can't believe it's been that long ago. And so, yeah, things are evolving. And so I would kind of say that it's just more insight, seeing miracles. I love the work here, how you talk about miracles and all of you do, but, yeah, there's more insight, more miracles, because we. We experience experiencing life even more. And I can still complain a little.

But, yeah, moving through that.

So I think there'll be a second part. I don't know what quite what to call it yet, but, yeah. Thank you, Emily.

I wonder if there's a podcast in you, because it feels like there's a bunch of stories to be told that need to be in people's ears, because just being here with you and listening to you tell the stories is like. It's like food. It's like nourishment to hear you tell the story. So I don't know, that's something to maybe look at of. Like, maybe you start a native heart podcast where you share all the stories from all your years of training and working with the tribes and just all of these beautiful and even your ancestors stories. You know.

I. This is a new experience for me. I'm not on a podcasting podcast a whole lot yet. Yeah.

So, yeah, I like that.

Yeah. And, Holly, I appreciate your example, because, girl, you just taking it, girl. Having your podcast and Kara you two, you have both been great examples to me of taking a step into that.

So who knows?

Yeah.

It might be coming up.

So thank you for the encouragement and for the idea and the spark of creativity. Thank you so much. Yes.

Also, I want to honor the. The path of creation, of creation and creators, because when you signed on to write a book with me, you actually were going to write a children's book. And halfway through, you said, just kidding. It's not a children's book. It's something else. And I really want to. To honor you for listening because it's very easy for us to get very cornered and like, this is how we're gonna go. And this is what I set out to do. But instead you actually let your heart guide in the children's book got you to say yes. But once you got in your heart, like, took over was like, wait, actually, there's this whole actual chapter book. And is that. I just find that so beautiful that the children's book kind of held your hand first until you were able to step into this.

Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah, I think I appreciate that. And that's. That we can evolve. I love that. And I think that's a good example. All of you ladies are to me and. Because I know, I know some of you is evolving and growing and becoming. And that's what spurs me on too. And yeah, I can kind of sit.

Down and complain and whine, but then get back up.

And that's what life does. It helps us evolve and grow. And so thank you for that. And it is. Creating helps us do that. So.

Yeah, it's exciting to watch. So anyone else? I want to give a spot for just. If anyone else wants to share something, this is your. Your spot. I want to just take everyone back to what you. What you talked about, because I think it's always important that people leave anytime we're in this space, even though we're celebrating your book, if we can always leave with a tool. And you said something that I want to just reiterate, which is if you're feeling stuck, if you're feeling in victim, if you're feeling broken or in depression or something where you just need pulled out of the loop. Right. I'm sure everyone has experienced that. It's like a trauma loop or it's. Or it's a fear loop or it's just something where you're just looping. And I love how you said get out on the earth, and you've mentioned a few times, like, get out on the Earth or that when you see water, bless yourself. When you. It's like, to me, these are really powerful practices that we can do anywhere, right? Like I'm in my office, but I could easily walk outside and go sit on the grass, right? Like there's any time we can get into nature. So I want everyone to just kind of take what you said and just stick that into your mind a little. Pin that anytime you get stuck in a loop. 1. Read Denise's book, okay? Because it's always going to be something that activates you. One of the things I love about you, Denise, is that you tell through stories. And. And if we were to look at all the great leaders and all the great people who've changed humanity, they actually just told through stories. This is how we learn at a subconscious level. And so you teaching deep, meaningful principles through the path and the weaving of stories is actually how people are going to learn this so much better. So kudos to you on doing that as the author and everyone here, if you haven't. If you're here live or if you're watching the recording, you haven't gotten a copy, it's up on Amazon. I will have this recording on YouTube so you guys can re watch it if you'd like. And we had an amazing podcast. So go over to the Sacred Writing podcast. I think we were episode like 159, maybe 157. Go listen to it. It's a phenomenal episode. And remember that you're not alone, that every one of us gets stuck in victim. Every one of us gets stuck in complaining. We're humans. This is part of it. But the thing you said, Denise, it was so powerful, is how can we shorten it? How can we shorten the amount of time we stay in that land? How can we get ourselves out so we can be of the highest good? So just honor you, Denise. It's such an honor to be your publisher, to be your friend, to see you rise in this. There's so much more ahead of you. I'd love for you to drop in your heart and just feel into if there's a message that you can share today as we final this, what would that message be?

Thank you, Kara. It's prayer. I'll end with this last story. As I was working with an ENT, EMTs, Emergency Medical Technicians up on the Navajo reservation. And they're beautiful people, beautiful tribe, tribal people. And when they introduce themselves, they introduce their clans and where they come from on the reservation. And like I'm from the Bitter Sweet Clan, or, you know, the Bitter Water Clan. They. They introduced themselves. And one young man said, can I say a prayer? And I said, sure, as he began to pray in his beautiful Navajo language. And we were, you know, starting this workshop, and I closed my eyes and in my mind, I just kind of was quiet. And in my mind's eye, it was as if I saw everyone at that exact moment, praying men not hurting she mothers with their children in their. Some hogans or, you know, smaller homes or homes, whatever they were in. And then it expanded to everyone in the United States who happened to be praying at that exact moment. And it was like people driving to work, people at work. It's like, oh, we're all praying at that exact moment. And then it expanded to like the whole world. Someone on a plane, someone on a mountaintop on the other side of the world. And as soon as this man said, yeah, you know, at the very end, like, thank you, I just was in awe. And I said thank you to this man. Thank you, Wado. And Cherokee is Wado. And I realized at that exact moment that sometimes when we feel like, oh, we're just little on me praying, we actually can tune in to the prayers of all people, of realizing other people are going through whatever hard times or challenges, but just even saying a prayer in gratitude that we join those prayers of gratitude with people of other communities, other societies, other, you know, cities, countries. And to me, that was very powerful. So I would just end with saying that prayers are heard, your prayers are heard, and we are assisted. You are assisted from on high. And our hearts can be healed and can be open, and we can receive that support and love through those prayers.

Wow, thank you. So beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. I want to thank you all for coming and spending time with us today. Go grab her book on Amazon. Denise, if they. If people who are watching this, who end up watching this on YouTube, if they wanted to reach out to you to lead a training, how would they get a hold of you? What would be the way for them to get access to your information?

My website is denise alley.com just my name, denisealla.com and when you go on Amazon, you can just put Denise Alley and my name will come up under book needed. So heart and healing. And I need to be better on Instagram, but it's Denise Alley, native soul.

And in the future, if there is a podcast, I will let that, let people know on that.

But most everything you can find information on denise alley.com. thank you. Amazing.

Thank you, thank you. Thank you. Everyone who is here live. Thank you to everyone who's watching the recording. I'm just sending you off with all of my love. And if you have a book inside of you, please reach out to us. You can head over to my Instagram, Kira Brinton. You can go to Joa publishing.com and find out more information. We are so deeply inspired to change the world with books just like Denise's. So we want to help people bring these types of books into the world. So we go out and we soften hearts and we make a difference. And that is my intention. And it has just been such an honor to be your publisher. Denise Kennedy, congrats, Congrats, congrats.

Wo thank you to you, Cara, and to all of you out there. Thank you. And to the wonderful creator, to our God and God in Christ, thank you.

Beautiful. All right, you guys have a beautiful, beautiful Wednesday. See you.