He Had Gut Issues for 37 Years. We fixed it in 30 Days
John spent 37 years cycling through diets, antibiotics, and doctors for IBS and suspected SIBO with no lasting relief. Lucas's program tracked meals, symptoms, hydration, sunlight, and exercise daily. Within a month, John's bloating, brain fog, and abdominal pain disappeared, and his bowel movements became regular.
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I ended up in the hospital for a few days for what was diagnosed as acute gastroenteritis, vomiting and diarrhea for days with no real explanation. In fact, they did the breath test and the nurse said I was by far the worst she had ever seen. She actually thought the machine was broken and went and got another one because the first breath test I did, it was almost off the chart. So she was assuming the machine was broken because it couldn't be that high, but it was. And then bloating, there's always bloating after every meal. There was a lot of brain fog and then didn't have as much energy as I do now. I got diagnosed with IBS. I'm like, yeah, I've heard that. I've heard that all the time. I know I'm not dying, but like, I can feel better. I know I can feel better. We started going down the same thing. And so he's like, all right, well, let's do the breath test for SIBO. I'm like, yeah, I did that like 20 years ago. I know it's going to come back positive. A lot of what I was experiencing, I guess I'm like, well, I'm just getting old. That's what happens.
Yeah.
Then going through all this, I'm like, no, I wasn't getting old. I was just, just bad gut health, um, and, and bad, bad general health. I mean, bad gut health leads to bad general health. So call you because I think you said several times on the YouTube videos, like, if you just want to execute, leave the thinking to me. If you just want to execute, then, uh, this might be the right approach for you. And that's, that's exactly where I was. I'm like, I just want somebody to tell me what to do. Just tell me what to do. I'll do it. I'll put in the time. Just tell me what to do. Because right now I don't really know what to do. I've tried a bunch of things and I don't know what to do. So it's about maybe about, about a month in, um, when the abdominal pain started going away, energy started going up, like the brain fog started going down. And, uh, like more consistent bowel movements. Yeah, I do travel a lot since sometimes the bowel movements were just like totally unpredictable. One of my big concerns is like I'm stuck on that— on an airplane and we're on the tarmac and I can't get up and I'm gonna have to use the bathroom and I'm, I'm not going to be able to because I'm stuck in the plane and they won't let me get up. Like, like those, those concerns I had a lot, especially when my gut health was really bad. But now all that's gone. Like, I don't— I don't worry about that. I don't worry about whether or not I'm going to eat— if I'm going to eat this, what it's going to do in an hour. Um, and that was a concern almost every time I ate. Like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna have this meal and I'm not sure what it's gonna do. Is there going to be a bathroom nearby? So I mean, all that's, all that's resolved. That's been a big positive also. The system you've, you've set up, I think I've told you all in the text, is pretty brilliant. Like, it just— daily feedback. Yeah, it's just necessary for solving problems like this. You just need that daily feedback. Otherwise, otherwise, so many little details that are very, very important get lost. Yeah, I mean, I've been, I've been trying for many years, and, uh, you kind of honed right, dialed right in on exactly what the issue was and said, all right, do this. Then I did, and it worked. So I got exactly, I got exactly what I signed up for, which I, I can't say on any of the other healthcare ventures I went on. So yeah, I appreciate it.
Well, welcome then, John. Pleasure to have you, have you here. I guess to just set this in directly, who are you? What do you do? Tell them.
Yeah, well, kind of like you said, I'm just a regular guy living in North Carolina, born and raised in New Orleans, Louisiana, and I'm an engineer and started a forensic engineering firm I don't know, 10, 15 years ago, and kind of run that, do a lot of forensic engineering. It makes me travel a lot and work a lot. That's kind of me in a nutshell.
Life of a business owner.
Pretty much. Yeah, the usual stuff.
Oh, this is good. And John, before we got in contact and got started, Take me back to that. How— where were you at with your health and more specifically, I guess, regarding the gut issues and whatnot? But yeah, where were you at? I think it was early April, I think.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. I mean, I guess it starts back in New Orleans when I was in high school. The first issue I remember having was I ended up in the hospital for a few days for what was diagnosed as acute gastroenteritis, which I think just means Because they didn't really know what was going on. But I was, uh, very dehydrated, uh, vomiting and diarrhea for, for days with no real explanation. Um, and then I guess when I got back to college, uh, you know, the, the gut issues were kind of always there. That was like a major acute incident. Um, when I got to college, I started exercising pretty religiously. I was running 3 miles every day, and I said, I'm just going to eat 1 meal a day, see if I can resolve gut issues and energy and, and shed some And that worked, but then that wasn't enough calories. Uh, so that was, uh, before I was kind of hooked up with you. That was the last time I remember having like normal consistent bowel movements was when I was, uh, one meal a day and running 3 miles, uh, every day in college. Um, and then, uh, stayed in college, stayed in school for a long time and sort of had gut issues. On and off. Another acute incident, I guess, was I sort of switched from running, from cardio to weightlifting somewhere in college and got really into that. I was in the gym like 6 or 7 days a week and making really good gains, but not kind of like you, like not— I was making decent gains but not feeling the best.
Yeah.
And, I was going through a lot of whey protein, a lot of milk. And then, all of a sudden one day, my body just said enough and completely— it was like a switch overnight. My gut health wasn't perfect, before that, but it was like really bad overnight. I just couldn't tolerate dairy anymore. Um, I finally went to the doctor about that a few years later, and they diagnosed me with lactose intolerance. Um, in fact, they did the breath test, and the nurse said I was by far the worst she had ever seen. She actually thought the machine was broken and went and got another one because, because the first, the first breath test I did, it was almost off the, off the chart. So she was assuming the machine was broken because it couldn't be that high, but, but it was. So they told me, just, uh, take 2 Lactaid before every meal, you'll be fine. And that didn't do anything. Um, so a bunch of doctors, uh, trying to figure out exactly what was going on. I never really got an answer. Um, let's see, that diagnosis was like 15 years ago, so I never really got, got an answer. I kept going to see different doctors, and then I kind of gave up on the healthcare here. I, I was wasting a lot of time and money trying to figure out exactly what was going on. I'm like, I'll just try things on my own. And so then you get like, go down the Google and, uh, YouTube rabbit holes. And, uh, I mean, slowly maybe I was figuring out what was going on, but, uh, like some things were getting better and some things were getting worse.
Yeah.
Um, I think overall Generally, my gut health was getting worse over time. And then the, yeah, the YouTube and Google rabbit holes, I guess, pointed me to you. I was still doing like treadmill every night and watching YouTube videos about gut health and health in general. And that's how I found you. So here we are.
Yeah, here we are. I think it's worth to mention as well. Yeah, you said that 15 years. I think at one, I think 20 years, if we summarize the whole time horizon, right? Is sort of how long you've, you've, uh, you've had the issues, just to sort of get the whole, the whole, uh, the whole timeline right.
Yeah, well, so I'm 53 now, and, uh, the incident in high school, I was 16, I think.
So even more.
Yeah, so even, even more than that. Like, it's never been totally right, and it You know, sometimes it's better than others, but when I was going through all that dairy and whey protein, it definitely, it definitely got worse. That was probably— geez, I guess that was like 25 years ago or something.
Yeah. And before you found me, you, you've obviously tried a bunch of different things, but walk me through some of those things. And, and you've— carnivore, naturopaths, like—
Yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all that. Yeah, I, I tried carnivore. I never was like completely vegan, but I was I had like eliminated a lot of animal products in favor of plant products because there was some books and stuff I was reading about that. Um, but that, that just made me feel much worse. Um, I did try carnivore several times pretty religiously, and that, that works for like 2 weeks for me anyway. It works for like 2 or 3 weeks. Um, and then it— I, I just, I still wasn't feeling as good as I knew I could. So, uh, I tried that on and off several times. Um, yeah, but all the supplements, um, you know, there's tons of supplements. Well, I, I went through that for, I don't know, 5 years or something. Like, oh, well, if you kill off, you know, you have SIBO, if you kill off the bad bacteria and then re— with this supplement will kill off the bad bacteria, or this antibiotic will kill off the bad bacteria, and then you reintroduce the good bacteria with this supplement. Like, that, that stuff works for 2 or 3 weeks also, but then— Yeah. It's just back to normal, or back to what was normal for me.
Yeah, I guess that's the classic. That's a classic pattern. That's that's interesting. I know you sent that message a few weeks ago that you you had this old SIBO follow-up test, right? That you had booked. Yeah, yep.
Well, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I did. So so I mean I was I guess before I. I actually found a really good general practitioner doctor. And so I was like, kind of— I was kind of— I need that like half for work, half just to do annual blood work and everything else that I want to do. Um, but, uh, he, he's really good. So I'm like, all right, well, maybe I'll revisit the gut health issues with him. And so he's like, yeah, we went through some stuff. He's like, it's nothing major. I'm like, yeah, I've heard that. I've heard that all the time. I know I'm not dying, but Like, I can feel better. I know I can feel better. Um, so we started going down the same thing, and so he's like, all right, well, let's do the breath test for SIBO. I'm like, yeah, I did that like 20 years ago. I know, I know it's going to come back positive. And so yeah, I had that scheduled, and then I guess it was a month or two, or I guess about 2 months in with you, um, uh, I realized, yeah, I don't need that anymore. I have the answer. I don't need—
Yeah.
The healthcare system anymore.
Yeah. No, it's good. What would you say in your own words, John? What was sort of the main daily symptoms you were sort of experiencing when you said that, you know, you could— you knew that you could feel better? What were those daily symptoms you were sort of experiencing and dealing with, I guess?
Yeah, the daily symptoms. Well, like inconsistent bowel movements was a big one. And then abdominal pains almost all the time. Not as bad. When I ended up in the hospital, that was excruciating abdominal pains. And then, when my body just started rejecting lactose, that was excruciating abdominal pain. So, not that bad, but just always there, like a nagging pain that was always there.
Yeah.
And then, bloating. There's always bloating or there was always bloating after every meal. And then I guess I almost didn't, didn't realize it. You just kind of get used to that and think that's sort of normal. Right. Um, but then now, like, looking back, there was a lot of brain fog and, and energy as well. Like, I just wasn't thinking, um, as clearly as I could and then didn't have as much energy as I do now. So I think those were the main things.
No, and that's obviously those, I'd argue those are like, that is arguably one of the most impactful things in general as well, because obviously that will lead to, in your case, more output in the, in the business side of things and just more energy. And like, you can do a lot with that. So obviously it's very—
Absolutely.
It's very, it's a very important variable, uh, for, for sure.
Agreed, agreed. Yeah. It's just better. It's just better when you don't have all those little nagging, gnawing symptoms. Everything's better.
Yeah. So the doctors always told you also to just wrap that up. They always told you it was, it was SIBO. I think you've said they told you you had IBS as well, right?
And yes, that was the official diagnosis was IBS, which, which just means they have no clue and they don't know what to do. I'm convinced of that. Yeah. I got diagnosed with IBS. Well, lactose intolerance and IBS—those were the two official diagnoses. I know if I didn't, because I started all this before SIBO was actually a thing. I don't think they would diagnose you with SIBO twenty years ago, but I'm pretty sure that would—that would have been my diagnosis had I followed through with the current—with my current general practitioner's plan. I'm sure it would have been SIBO. But—but I mean, all that to me now—now looking back, all those those are symptoms, not—not diagnoses. Or however you say that. Yeah, those are symptoms, not diseases.
Yeah. How much do you think you've spent over the span of 30 years trying to— or 25 or however many it is, John, trying to go to the bottom of this?
In time or money or both? I guess both. Probably more than I want to add up. It was— yeah, it's definitely going to be thousands of dollars because, I mean, some of that I was paying for out of my pocket. some of it insurance covered. And then time, I mean, all the books I've read, all the videos and podcasts I listened to, all the experiments I tried. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I probably don't even want to add that up.
And with all that sort of trial on your own, what led you to be like, Let's, let's try this with Lucas. What, what did you think was going to happen? Was there some sort of skepticism before?
Yeah. Um, yeah, that's, that's a good question. I don't know that it was any one thing. I, I guess like all the books I was reading and podcasts I was listening to and YouTube videos I was watching, then I found you, and a lot of the stuff you were saying I knew was true. Because I kind of experimented with it on my own. So I had like the pieces, but I didn't really have how to put all the pieces together. Like, like some things I had stumbled on on my own that I knew worked, but I don't think I'd had— I didn't have the complete picture. And it seemed like, like, like you did. You had like, like you had the system and the approach that was going to work. So I mean, maybe Maybe some of it was, was the whole neuroplasticity thing. When I called you, I just knew, I just knew that this approach would probably work.
Yeah, I think that's a good framing. I think it's pretty hard for someone coming like from the similar situation like you when you've tried so much, when you've like just been all over the place and it almost feels like it's your— I mean, we hear that sometimes. It almost feels like the hope is getting lost, you know, a bit. But yeah. Yeah. Was there a defining moment also for you to take in that action? Was there one specific, or was there any point where you were just like, I have to try one more time, or I have to do something else?
Well, I was like, I've steadily been trying different things. So I guess It was more, I guess, the thing that made me actually contact you was more timing.
Yeah.
Because I knew there was, I knew like at the end of the day, I was going to have to do the work. Like, it's not, you're not going to prescribe me a pill that's going to make everything better. So it was more about timing for me, like when I was going to have the time to put in, to put into the program. I guess that's what, that's what made me, when my schedule kind of opened up a little bit and I could dedicate the time.
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I mean, that's always the— it's as you said, it's not— definitely doesn't come on a silver platter, but the work has to be done, of course. But yeah. What do you think, if we talk about that then as well, John, what do you think we have been doing now, like, different compared to all the other things that you've tried previously?
I think that probably the biggest thing I think that you do that was missing on the other approaches that I was trying is the daily feedback.
Yeah.
And that's, I mean, to solve problems like this, I think that's, it's necessary. Like scheduling a doctor appointment and then you gotta follow up, you know, a month later. And then they wanna do tests, which is get scheduled 2 weeks later. And then you discuss those results, you know, at the next appointment, which might be 3 months. It's just that— Too slow feedback loop. Yeah, yeah, it's way too slow. And so the system you've set up, I think I've told y'all in the text, is pretty brilliant. Like, just daily feedback is, I think it's necessary. And yeah, it's just necessary for solving problems like this. You just need that daily feedback. Otherwise, so many little details that are very, very important get lost.
Yeah, correct. And I guess maybe also, I mean, that's the interesting part with our journey, I know, because it wasn't always as smooth. It's not always smooth sailing, you know, it's like, I remember I sort of made a bit of a missed call in the beginning thinking you had purely a histamine sensitivity we were looking at because I remember we got a reaction when we did the initial sort of logging phase. We saw a reaction from— I can't remember if it was sauerkraut or whatever it was, right, John? And then we sort of approached it based on— obviously we make everything data-driven, all decisions are data-driven, right?
Mm-hmm.
But in that case, we made a um, miss or a, a, a missed decision. And then based on the, like, the data we got a few days later, obviously we're— we want to address that and change that up instantly as well.
Right. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. Like, yeah, that's— the, the daily feedback is, is, is necessary, I think, to solve, to solve problems like this. I think that's the biggest thing you, you bring that, that all the other approaches Go ahead. Don't.
Yeah. Yeah, no, I think that's— all right, I agree. That's— it's very important because, you know, if you're left— and that's unfortunately how a lot of people do— you're left with a PDF of do this and then we have a follow-up.
That's right. That's right.
In 2, 3 months.
Yeah. Yeah. And all the little details that actually make huge differences are just completely lost.
Yeah. Yeah, for for sure. When was the first time? It might be hard to to recall the exact, but when was the first first time you you started noticing that things had already or had started to progress progress in the right direction?
Um, I'm gonna say. I guess in terms of timing, maybe about a month, a month in. I have to go back and look at all the chats. I think it was about maybe about, about a month in, um, when the abdominal pain started going away, energy started going up, like the brain fog started going down, and, uh, like more consistent bowel movements. Um, yeah, that was probably a month in, maybe, maybe 6 weeks, something like that. Maybe not that long. Yeah, somewhere in that in that time frame.
Yeah, yeah, I think it's that's pretty. I want to remember that as well. Bow movement starting to to stabilize. Yeah, I remember. I remember that text for for sure. Is there anything? Yeah. Is there anything outside of your or sort of life that has that has changed that you weren't really expecting, John? And also. Things that you maybe can do now that you couldn't do, you know, before, maybe regarding eating out, traveling perspective? Obviously, you mentioned you travel a lot for work.
Yeah, I mean, I have a lot more energy, like, like constant consistent energy throughout the day, like some of the other guys on the call have said also. Like, it's just more, it's more consistent. I'm certainly not relying on on caffeine either. That's more like a supplement in the morning than something I need. So yeah, I don't ever, ever really drink caffeine after the morning, early morning. And I just have more consistent energy throughout the day, like all the way up to bedtime. So that's something that's definitely hasn't been that way. probably, probably since I was running 3 miles and eating 1 meal a day.
Yeah.
In college. That was many years ago. Um, yeah, and in general, I just— general sense of well-being and feeling is, is much better now, uh, than it was in, in the immediate years past. You know, a lot of, a lot of what I was experiencing, I guess I'm like, well, I'm just getting old, that's what happens. But then, yeah, then going through all this, I'm like, no, I wasn't getting old. I was just Just bad gut health, um, and, and bad, bad general health. I mean, bad gut health leads to bad general health. So, um, yeah, like, now that all that's fixed, I don't really feel like, uh, I have issues that I'm attributing to aging. It's more like I feel like I feel better now than I did in my 30s. Um, so I think that's a good thing. And, uh, and there's other little things like, um, Yeah, I do travel a lot. I know, like, one of my— one of my— since sometimes the bowel movements were just like totally unpredictable, one of my big concerns is like I'm stuck on that— on an airplane and we're on the tarmac and I can't get up and I'm gonna have to use the bathroom and I'm, I'm not going to be able to because I'm stuck in the plane and they won't let me get up. Like, like those, those concerns I had a lot, especially when my gut health was really bad. But now all that's gone. Like, I don't I don't worry about that. I don't worry about if I'm— whether or not I'm going to eat— if I'm going to eat this, what it's going to do in an hour. Um, and that was a concern almost every time I ate. Like, I'm gonna— I'm gonna have this meal and I'm not sure what it's going to do. Is there going to be a bathroom nearby, or am I going to be stuck on an airplane? If I'm stuck on an airplane, maybe I just shouldn't eat, and maybe I just shouldn't eat till tomorrow. So, and stuff like that. So, I mean, all that's— all that's resolved. That's been a Positive also.
Yeah, no, that's, that's really good. Is there any implementation or anything like specific that we have done differently that you think has, you know, helped out a lot that you maybe didn't really put as much emphasis and effort towards before we started, John?
Yeah, I mean, I think it's everything. It's like the whole— it's the whole approach. No one thing. Um, it's— I think it's everything that you're doing and that we're doing, um, is what— is what resolved the issues. I don't think there's any one thing. Like, like you said, like, you need it all. I think the biggest— maybe the biggest thing that helped— the biggest thing you've said that helped me was you've got to think of this as like physical therapy for the gut. One of the calls That I never really thought of it that way. Like, I was just expecting, well, look, I, I ate, I ate something that shouldn't mess me up. Why am I messed up? But it's the, the gut health isn't like a short-term fix, especially when it's been screwed up as, as mine for so long. It really is more like physical therapy. Like, it just takes a long time, but once you, once you get there, it's, uh, it's, it becomes pretty resilient, which is, which is kind of neat to watch.
Yeah, for sure, for sure. I think it's as you said, I couldn't have said it better, but it's all small, it's all small, small variables added up that creates the, the sort of the big, uh, the big change. It's never just the one, the one thing that, uh, that magically, magically fixes everything or improves everything, I guess.
Yeah.
No, but it's, it's good. Is if someone is sitting in the same boat as you were, John, you know, a lot of years struggling with the gut, tried a bunch of different things, they're maybe, as I said, they're feeling a bit, maybe not hopeless, but, you know, it's starting to fade out. What would you say to that person, you know, diagnosed with IBS, diagnosed with SIBO and all the other jazz?
Yeah, yeah, I would say your approach definitely works. Um, I mean, it worked for me and nothing else really did. So yeah, I would say your approach works and it works, uh, I mean, relatively fast. Like I've said on several calls, I don't know, like, you're around half my age. I don't know how you figured all this stuff out so quickly, but I mean, somehow you did. We've got almost the same story. Yours is just compressed.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it actually is. It's funny because both of our sort of lactose as the first, as the major, major thing, it's actually spot on, like similar, similar stories.
Yeah, yeah, it's very similar. Yours just, yeah, yours just is, your story is mine compressed. I meandered all over the place and just made things worse for many years. You seem to I guess maybe you had better conviction and intelligence. You just said, I'm gonna fix this. Yeah.
What do you think in your— in your— that's actually a good, a good, a good note as well. So in your sort of healing process, now knowing what you know right now and sort of standing on the— on the— not the finish line, it's never, uh, it's never an endgame. But, um, what if you look at back and sort of problem or do a bottleneck analysis for yourself? What, what did you do wrong in all these, uh, all these years trying to fix it, John?
Um, I, I don't know that— I don't know that I did anything wrong. I just didn't have the tools. I just didn't know. I— yeah, I just didn't find the tools. It's not like I like halfway did carnivore diet or halfway, uh, You know, did some other halfway approach. I was trying things. I guess it goes back to the whole system thing. Like, it really does take all the parts, all the tools that you're implementing. I think, I guess if I had to answer, the best way I can answer that question is I was trying, like, individual tools or individual approaches, but absent the other ones that needed to complement that approach. Um, so I think, I guess that's what I was doing wrong. I would go down one rabbit hole, like the carnivore diet, for example.
Yeah.
Like, you, you, I mean, you can find all sorts of videos and books and podcasts that talk about if you do carnivore diet, you're gonna heal your gut. But, and so that's what I did. So I didn't, like, I wasn't incorporating anything else because those, those books and, and that, those approaches don't discuss everything else, like the, the hydration and sunlight and all the other things. It doesn't approach all that. So I would, I would do the carnivore diet but neglecting everything else. Yeah, okay, well, that didn't work. And then I'd try something else, again focusing on one tool when you needed to kind of put all the tools together.
Yeah, correct. You did the carnivore, take— it took away all the fermentation, it worked because it did that. That's the one mechanism. But you still sort of had, uh, had the leaks in the bucket coming, coming from underneath. So it only worked, uh, So much until you're sort of back on square one again, right? It's the standard. I think that's very—I think it's spot on—the standard problem everyone sees. And that's also what we see, obviously working so well with all clients coming in, John. And as you described it yourself, like the secret comes from not just addressing the things in isolation, but actually looking at everything as a whole. And like, okay, how do we problem solve this whole? Puzzle rather than focusing on the individual pieces. And yeah, that is really the secret, I guess, or not the secret, but yeah, the mechanism and the system that you have to execute on, right?
Yeah, agreed. Yeah, I think it's the daily feedback and the The entire approach, everything, like the exercise, like everything you're incorporating, exercise, sunlight, hydration, all that stuff is very— I mean, it's all critical. You need it all. And if you don't have the daily feedback, like, you don't really know. It's going to get lost. If you've got monthly doctor appointments, you're not going to remember what you did on a specific day, you know, 3 weeks ago. So.
Yeah, no, for sure. And I think also it's probably— obviously, I think you're in a situation where It makes a lot of sense for you to sort of outsource that mental effort to someone else when you have— when you should be putting all your effort into the business and rather than sitting, going down the YouTube university as Anton always calls it, right?
Yep, yeah. Yeah, yeah, and yeah, that was another big thing that made me just call you because I think you said several times on the YouTube videos, like, if you just want to execute Leave the thinking to me. If you just want to execute, then this might be the right approach for you. And that's exactly where I was. I'm like, I just want somebody to tell me what to do. Just tell me what to do. I'll do it. I'll put in the time. Just tell me what to do. Because right now, I don't really know what to do. I've tried a bunch of things and I don't know what to do.
So, yeah, no, I think that's a very important thing as well because that's ultimately what it is, right? Just taking away all the thinking. So, the only thing you need to worry about, and that's what we mean with I guess with the daily feedback loop and everything. You just execute, I guide, and then that's the perfect— we have the Swedish saying, handen i handsken. It's the hand in the— fits like the hand in the glove, you know. That's what it is. Yeah, but I think it's really, really good. Is there any last notes on your end, John? Anything you would want to add to the viewers? listening this far?
Um, I, I don't, I don't think so. I mean, I, I, I'll just kind of, kind of reiterate, your approach definitely works. I think, I think it's pretty brilliant what y'all have done. Like I said, like I've said several times, I don't know where else you're going to get daily feedback, um, which is really what's needed to solve problems like this. Yeah, I mean, I've been, I've been trying for many years and, uh, You kind of honed right, dialed right in on exactly what the issue was and said, all right, do this. And I did, and it worked. So yeah, it's pretty cool.
Yeah, no, it's good. And obviously big, big props for you also, John, to actually putting in the work and actually doing, or yeah, doing the execution part, which is obviously equal as important, if not even more important for the equation to To work, right? Yep. Uh, yeah, I think— yeah, well, yeah, uh, that's a good—
You, you get as, uh, you get as much out of this as you put in. So if you're not going to put in much, then you might not get much out. But yeah, I, I, I was— you said spam you with, with, uh, with texts. Yeah. And I did, uh, every meal and everything that was going on every day.
So Yeah, no, but it's, it's really good. All right, yeah, I appreciate you, uh, jumping on, John, and talking through, uh, through our little, uh, little— or your, your whole long journey.
Yeah, glad to do it. Glad to share it. Yeah, yeah, I definitely appreciate you guys, uh, and what y'all have done for me.
Yeah, of course. It's been a, it's been a pleasure working with, working with you as well, and, uh, glad, glad we're standing here a few months later and, you know, we Yeah, as we said, cancel the SIBO test and yeah, better energy, no brain fog, good gut. So that's exactly what we signed up for, right?
So that's exactly— yeah, yeah, that's exactly right. I got exactly what I signed up for, which I can't say on any of the other healthcare ventures I went on. So yeah, I appreciate it.
Yeah, no, that's good. All right, good, good, John. Thanks. And yeah, I hope you guys enjoyed this little interview and And, yeah, if you're interested in going through the same journey as John, you have the first link in the description to explore that. And, yeah, awesome.
Thank you.
