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Why are these guys sitting here eating a chocolate croissant when they are health people? And yeah, Anton, tell them why are we eating a chocolate croissant today?

I think it's a very common misconception in the industry that you have to be like super strict and overthink everything that you eat. A lot of the times It's just about sort of the, the Tutti Pasta guy, right? The guy just enjoying life and relaxing and not overthinking about what he's eating and what he's doing and just like enjoy, you know. Sometimes even that is more important than, than the food itself, like your mindset towards it and the feeling that you have inside of you when you eat the food, for example.

100%. And I think, as Anton said, it's a very big misconception in the industry right now because of the You know, we have the Bryan Johnson and the Paul Saladinos of this world, right? That is always absolutely fearmongering absolutely everything. You know, you can't have this, you can't have that, this is gonna kill you, this is gonna do this, this is gonna do that. And what happens as a byproduct of this is, you know, you can think that maybe this is good, this is bringing more awareness to everyone. But it's actually funny because I'd argue that this is making the world even more unhealthy because of the fact that now everyone is aware Yeah, but they're also gonna walk around and they're gonna be stressed about it. They're gonna be stressed about it, right? I can't have this because there's some microplastics. I can't do that because there's maybe some seed oils here. And walking around and stressing about these things and stressing about things not being absolutely dialed in perfect is far worse for you than just, you know.

I mean, it's impossible to micromanage. If you're gonna micromanage like every sort of toxin that's out there, then you can't even go outside and you can't wash your clothes. Clothes and you can't do anything, right? So it's like some people just take it too far to the extreme, and like that's a common theme in the industry.

You can't even breathe because there's microplastics in there.

Yeah, you can't, you can't do that. You can't do anything, right? It's impossible. So it's like, it's a lot of fearmongering, like you're saying, and a common misconception that you have to be like super strict about it. Yeah, I don't think that's like— it's more healthy to basically not give a shit, right, rather than like overthinking everything that you're doing. But at the same time, it's not like we're eating a seed oil filled bun from some supermarket, you know, like it's still like quality.

Of course, we're controlling what we can. We're still going to the best bakery in town that makes everything with locally sourced ingredients. And yeah, it's made with love, right? So we're not going to Lidl to pick up a chocolate croissant for sure. So we're still— there's still some intention behind it, but With that being said, if you think about that, like as we just said, some of these most health-aware people that I know, it's probably the ones that are the sickest, to be honest.

Yeah, in many cases, right?

Yeah, and that should tell you something. And then you have the people that absolutely don't care. And obviously we don't say that these things are irrelevant, because when it comes to a lot of these things, as we're gonna probably chat a bit about today, you know, things as microplastics, that's actually something that can disrupt our microbiome and it can affect our health, of course, right? We don't want to over— or look past that. But that's one small variable. If we're constantly fearmongering towards everything we're eating and we're constantly seeking for this, oh shit, is there some little heavy metals in this or microplastics in this? We're gonna walk around in an elevated stressed state, right? Which is going to affect everything. If the microplastics affect the microbiome, the stress affects the microbiome, the recovery, your hormones. Yeah, everything, right? So it's far worse than that one thing in isolation, right?

Yeah, it's— I mean, it's about looking at the system as a whole, right? Because if your system as a whole is healthy as a foundation, then you can tolerate like a small amount of toxins or whatever you're kind of like getting exposed to in, in day-to-day life. So I mean, it's about, in my opinion, pulling the big levers right on the things that make the major difference and then like not overthinking all the, the minor things, you know, like having a croissant or wearing a polyester t-shirt. You know, it's not like it's going to kill me. Obviously, it's not the best thing to do, but I think some people just take it to such an extreme extent where it's limiting them and making them overthink in many ways.

And we see this a lot with some people that come to us actually.

Yeah.

Where they're completely obsessed about these things maybe and they've been listening to all the posts that I've been saying. They're literally afraid of eating the wrong thing and this and that. And then they have all these issues, the gut issues, the bloating, the acid reflux, they've developed this SIBO, SIFO, whatever it might be. Arguably as a byproduct of this, as a byproduct of constantly walking around activated, stressed, and fearing life. Yeah, right.

But it's funny because people with bloating and all these issues, like, even though the inputs are probably not perfect in terms of what they do, um, when you're having bloating, or like clients for example, like in many cases just the biggest like lever for them to pull It's just like relaxing, right? Taking walks, not caring about what to eat, being grateful. It's funny with Mike, for example, he's been having gut issues, right? And when we had the retreat in Sweden, he was there and I guess the food that we ate wasn't like 100% optimized the most I did. Maybe there was seed oil here and there. It was like some small things that weren't like super ideal, but he still had like the best digestion that he's ever had. And I mean, the only thing that's been impacting him— I mean, the inputs are the same, right, in terms of diet, probably even worse than what he usually does. But he's in like a peaceful state, being surrounded by nature, being around like people, feeling grateful, feeling good. And that's just why the digestion is on point, which is very interesting as a thing, right, that it's so important. But at the same time, how do you manage that on a daily basis, you know?

Yeah, no, but it's 100% true. And everyone, sometimes people always ask like, Lucas, what is the reason behind being so obsessed about gut health and stress management and regulating your nervous system? And it's because of this, right? Yeah, it's because 2 people can eat exactly the same, do exactly the same, same workouts, same everything but get completely different outcomes. And the average person is going to blame that on genetics, age, whatever other bullshit kind of variable, yeah, they want to come up with, right? When in reality, I don't care how hard you train, I don't care how, how well you eat, if your gut is dysregulated, it doesn't matter. You're not going to see the results that you potentially could. Yeah, so dialing in your gut health, dialing in your stress management and your nervous system health and your mitochondrial health and all these small variables around that everyone overlooks is the secret for everyone. Yeah, because that will do so that all the surface level inputs which we talk about all the time, which is the training and nutrition, will actually start to work for you. And everyone gets this backward because that's what they focus on first without focusing on the system. And as a biohacker, they're not getting results. And then they're blaming their genetics and they're starting to look for peptides because they're— or whatever other bullshit they want to, you know, come up with. Maybe I need TRT because my testosterone is tanked and I can't fix it naturally. I've been trying to do that and whatever bullshit excuse they come up with, right?

Yeah.

And that's, that's backwards. It's completely backwards. Yeah.

But I think what would be an interesting take is because Like we just spoke about, it's a lot about stress management, right? And the state that you're in and your belief towards the food that you're eating. But how do you actually do that on a daily basis? You know, like it's easy to sit here and say that I'll be super present and be in nature and stressless, you know. But yeah, yeah, it's also life, you know, happening.

So, um, this is actually interesting because we met, we met a girl yesterday that asked kind of this question to us, right? She had been struggling with her gut. She told us that she'd been trying low FODMAP and probiotics, and she'd tried all these things, right? And one of the things that I told her just straight up is like, before you try all of those things, focus on the stress. And she's like, okay, how does that work? Because I told her, and this is probably where someone like you is probably maybe listening to this and like, yeah, no shit, but I can't just go for a vacation for 5 weeks and just fuck off and don't do anything. Like, that doesn't work. So obviously We have shit to do, right? Yeah, so we have to systematize this into our day-to-day life. And the best analogy that I like to think about here, probably because I'm coming from the banking industry, is a kind of a bank account. So every time we stress, we're creating debt.

Yeah.

The problem becomes when we're not loading up with credits after that. Yeah, because what happens then is that we stack debt, and that is gonna then leave us with interest and whatnot, and like it just goes downhill, right? So every time you create some sort of stress in your life, whether that's from a workout, whether that's work, whether that's being on a meeting with employees, whatever it might be, doing a big decision, doing a big task, that's creating debt, you have to compensate with credits, which is recovery in this point, or in this case, right? And how does that look? Well, that's actually pretty simple things. It's more, more about systematizing this into your everyday life that is the secret. It's not the tools itself, because that's breathwork, it's going out grounding, it's doing maybe some non-sleep deep rest, meditation. Like, we have all these tools available. It's like a What do you say? Bob the Builder, you know, you have all these tools in your toolbox.

Yeah.

But then you have to isolate and understand which tool do I need to use in this specific situation? Because if you try to use the hammer when you need to screw, it's not going to work.

I think that's what can be hard, right? Like, what should people actually do with like a normal life?

Yeah. And then business or any— 100%. And to— it's very— I can't just sit here and like, do this, do that, whatever. We have to understand that there's 2 types of stressors. It's physical and then there's mental. Yeah. Depending on which of those stressors you're creating debt with, or which of those are allocated towards the debt that you just created, the credits is going to be different. Because for a mental stressor, I'd argue that a physical recover or a physical credit is good.

Makes sense.

But for a physical stressor or a physical debt, a mental credit is needed. Yeah, does that make any sense? So if I put this to practice, if I explain this a bit further, let's say we're working out, which is a physical stressor. Yeah, then I think a meditation, meditation, a breathwork, grounding is a perfect credit to load back up on. But then if we have a 2-hour intense work call, yeah, which is a mental stressor, that's not a physical stressor, then I'd argue a physical credit is what should be placed there, such as go for a 5-10 minute walk in nature.

Yeah, makes a lot of sense, to be honest. So it's like the counterpart, you would say?

Yes.

I think something very interesting that was kind of mind-blowing for me is that there's, there's also like different types of stress, right? Like oxidative stress. That was a new one for me with like the blue light and that you're chronically under a stress state when you're in front of like screens and having a desk job or under like horrible lighting in the office and that these things are actually like stressing you. It's like raising your baseline stress. Yeah, like massively. But nobody knows about it. Like no one has a clue about this unless you're very tapped into, into health, I would say. I guess, can't you like run your thoughts and ideas a bit about oxidative stress? I think that's a very cool topic.

Yeah. So oxidative stress is, as you said, that's just how we want to view that. It's very small stressors that you're exposing yourself to. To, like, without even thinking about it. It's not like a big hit, it's like something that's just there working in the background. That's how we can think about it. If we're sitting on a 2-hour call, that's like a hit, you know. The oxidative stress is a credit that just like eats it a tiny bit all the time. And that is a subscription. It's a subscription just laying there in the background, yeah, right, that you're not— you don't even think about it too much, but it just drains your account, you know, without you really thinking about it. So that's things as you said, just generally speaking, being around electromagnetic frequencies, sitting too close to a Wi-Fi router or things like this, sitting in front of a blue light screen, you know, that blue light is gonna affect your nervous system state and it's gonna elevate that base level stress a tiny, tiny bit. And then if you have that and then you have the Wi-Fi and then you have your phone that is on as well and all these things, then you get a a bit elevated. All these things just accumulate. One thing in isolation might maybe don't do that much for you, maybe don't affect you that negatively. Yeah, but all those things stacked together is what creates a pretty, pretty big, uh, jump in your compound. Yeah, in your baseline, baseline stress, right? I think we have to do like this, otherwise it's gonna be too, too bright. Boom. But What that then creates is a more sensitive nervous system. So that means that when you're then exposing yourself to another stressor or another credit drainer, you know, the workout, that's gonna affect you more. Does that make sense?

That makes sense. So I guess, what would you tell someone on how to neutralize it then?

Neutralize, obviously we can neutralize through grounding is one of the best things we can do.

Yeah, but like the easiest, because like obviously if you work in a concrete jungle, you're in an office, In an office. But take my dad, for example. It's not like he works in like the middle of Stockholm, right? Because I've been speaking to him about this, but he's like, nah, like, how am I going to do it? Like, am I going to go out on the street and take resets? Or like, what am I going to do?

You know, like when you don't have access to, to have a good supply of minerals constantly, which means that you should always be drinking a good amount of salt water, like throughout the whole day. It's one of the best things because what oxidative stress does is it drains your minerals.

Yeah.

Because your minerals is kind of acting as a shield for stress for you. So if we're very stressed, it means we're draining a lot of minerals. So loading up on minerals is arguably the most important thing everyone can do. And that is just making sure that not just in the morning, we talked about that last time, the plasma, but every single time you're drinking water, there should be salt in it. Non-negotiable rule. You should have a good and high-quality salt, Celtic sea salt. In your water, and it should be coming from the big ocean, the Atlantic. We don't want some— and this is the no Dead Sea stuff, no Dead Sea, no mine in Utah. Even if the gurus you listen to tell you that, you know, Celtic sea salt has some microplastics and has this and that, like, where there is minerals, there will be heavy metals because they're antagonizers. Yeah, exactly. And it's like an ionic they suck like towards each other.

How do you say, like they're magnetized towards—

and like they're the same thing, just good versus bad, right? Yeah, they're the same ionic, ionic, um, um, what do you say.

But I also argue that a Celtic salt without microplastics is probably overly processed, right?

In one way, correct, because that means that it's been stripped away from all the, like, all the correct things, and that's closer to a processed, like table salt, in my opinion as well. And this is something we see especially now with the— once again, I know Paul made a big video about this where he talked about the, oh, this salt has no microplastics and this and that, and it comes from a mine in, in, in Utah or whatever. I don't know exactly where it was. Um, and this salt hasn't seen the light, hasn't been moving around and flowing around, and, and that's what actually creates a good salt, right? The water should, should not be stuck in the same place. It should constantly flow around and, yeah, be motion. So good salt is the most important thing we can do. And think about minerals, even stacking up on magnesium is something that I think almost everyone should be supplementing with, right? Good quality magnesium is absolutely fantastic. But then, this is interesting, we want to cover as much of our skin as possible when we're sitting in front of a screen. So because the blue light rays is gonna hit your skin, right? It's going to hit your, your, your light receptors.

Okay.

Which creates, which creates the oxidative stress. So if I'm sitting in an office, I'm not having a t-shirt. I'm making sure that I'm as covered as possible. That's one thing. That's also a rule when I'm, when I'm working at home. I always have a hoodie or something when I'm inside and working.

I've seen that.

Yeah, for that reason. Right. But when I'm outside, obviously we sit like this. Yeah. Blue light blocking glasses as well, because we have the most amount of light receptors in, in our eyes. So a good pair of yellow-tinted blue light blockers that doesn't block all, but they block light— like, what is it, like 80, 85% or something? And then the red ones block 99 or something like this. So if I'm sitting in front of a screen all day long, I'll make sure to have daylight blue light blocking glasses on as well. Yeah, so plasma minerals in the water, blue light blockers, cover up as much of your skin as possible. Yeah, that's, that's the, the 3 things. That is the highest leverage, that there's no excuse for no one to not do it. Everyone can do it. Everyone can do that.

Yeah, interesting. And also, like, when it comes to the salt thing with, like, that mine in Utah and that you have to source, like, something without microplastics, not to become, like, too esoteric or too woo-woo, but it depends on your perspective of the world, right? Because everything in the world usually vibrates to some extent, like, everything is moving, right? Everything has a frequency. So I mean, the ocean is in constant motion, right? Like everything is moving, flowing around. It's like you're mixing the— you're mixing around the salt, mixing around the minerals, stirring all of that. And that just makes like sort of the perfect balance and the frequency of the earth and everything. But I mean, when it's just been stuck in a mine for thousands of years and not moving at all, I mean, that's also, in my opinion, it just makes me lean more towards like the Celtic salt, that it makes more sense in my head at least.

100%. And as long as we have optimized detox pathways also, which is something we covered a bit about in the last call, is like we shouldn't be afraid of all these things. We shouldn't fearmongering for the microplastics and CETOx because our body can process all of these things, right? Yeah. And as long as we're, you know, for the microplastics, especially if we're eating fermented foods, if we're doing sauna and all the detox protocol, we're ticking all the detox protocol boxes, Again, comes down to the foundation, right?

Comes down to micromanaging plastics in a salt. It's like, yeah, that's again overthinking, you know, Bryan Johnson type of, type of stuff.

100%. And obviously I think I sat on a plane now to fly to Kait.

It's worth shortening my lifespan for 30 minutes or whatever.

What a life this is to live, you know? Yeah, that's not the life I want to live. I want to be able to eat a croissant.

But at the same time, just the whole thing, the whole perspective on that is just having that mentality is probably actually what's shortening the lifespan, not the trip itself, right? It's like the belief that he has towards it is ruining him more than the actual thing that he's doing. Because I'm sure most people have seen the studies, right, where they give someone a sugar pill and they give someone the real medicine and they still get the same outcome in healing their issues and healing sort of the problem that they had, which is very interesting, right? It just shows you the power of the mind.

There's some very interesting studies that are done on this also. Usually I don't like studies, but these are actually some that I respect the work of. And that is basically, they gave— I can run this quickly because it's very, very powerful and interesting. They had 2 groups, or the same group, but they gave them 2 smoothies. This is what they told them: a diet smoothie, which was like 140 calories, and then a gaining bulking smoothie, which was 640 or something. Don't quote me on the exact numbers, something like this. The point is what matters, right? But in reality, it was the same 360-calorie smoothie both times.

Yeah.

And they told, this is the diet, the light one. This is the, the big, the, the bulky, the a lot of food, a lot of, uh, yeah. And they looked at, I don't know exactly what, ghrelin, blood sugar levels, some things like this, what you can measure, uh, when it comes to, to eating, right? And they, the whole point that they wanted to look at here was with the people that had, or when the, the group got the, the big shake, so they thought they're— they had a bigger ghrelin response or something, so it left them more pleased and not hungry and being full for longer.

Yeah.

And then when they gave the, the light one, they got hungrier quicker, they didn't feel as full.

Yeah.

They Whatever, right? Interesting. So this just also states that what you believe about what you eat is far more important than what that actually is.

Yeah.

And that is so powerful. And the same girl that created this study made another study on some maids for hotel rooms, hotel room cleaners or something like this, where she told one group that you are they followed them a couple days in their life, and it was like, you're meeting the, the average for how, how an old individual, how much exercise an old individual should be getting every single day with your work right now. So you're perfect, you're doing as much activity as someone should. And then they told the other group that you're not meeting the, the required standards for how much an individual should be moving around and, and whatnot, right? And then a couple weeks later, they looked at BMI, weight, and all these things. And the group that believed that they were doing enough exercise every single day, BMI dropped, weight dropped, healthier blood markers, and all these things. And the other group got even worse and worse. And of course, it's just not the statement itself, but it also becomes identity. Because in that case, if you believe that you're doing the right thing, you're probably gonna go home and eat better. Think about your sleep, think about all these things, because like you're in it, you're like, yeah, yeah, I'm healthy, you know. So it also becomes an identity trait. And then the other group is like, no, I'm not healthy. And then you, ah, fuck yeah, this doesn't matter, right? Like I can eat whatever, right? So very, very interesting, which also kind of proves, proves this point.

Yeah. And what's fun about that is that it's not only in health, right? Not to get like too esoteric either, but I believe like there is like some universal, like a higher power, right? And what's funny about also like religion and faith and believing in things is obviously every religion and everything happening out there, like everyone is getting like a reward towards their faith to a higher power, believing in things. And from my understanding, it comes from like the divine source that you get rewarded for when you believe in something, like when you have faith in something. Everyone talks about faith, every religion, everything in the world, have faith. Right? And like that, the universe rewards that to some extent. Like when it comes to success, when it comes to achieving anything you set your mind to, if you have faith and if you believe that you can do it, then most likely you can, right?

Yeah, but I want to add a big but here. It has to be matched with action because we—

100%.

Yeah, this— and I'm gonna, I'm gonna think about the call that— or the guy that you spoke to yesterday that had been having issues for a long time, right?

Yeah.

For a lot of years been doing a lot to try to fix it, and he had something where faith-based, or he said something like that, where I trust, or whatever he said. It's irrelevant exactly what he said, but then we heard, and he had all these issues, and we were like, whoa. Yeah, but then we heard his inputs and the food he was eating and all the things he was doing, equally as important.

Yeah, for sure.

And then it's like, okay, This is, of course, this is why, right? Yeah, you can't be walking around thinking that you're gonna get healed when you're not matching that with the right action.

Exactly.

Which is very, very important to note as well, because just the mind is powerful, but we can't sit here and think that eating 10,000 calories of chips and candy every single day will make us—

but I think most people, they get the downloads for that, right? Like, they intuitively feel that this doesn't make sense, like doing this doesn't make sense, I should probably do something else. But it's also about learning to listen to your intuition, right? And the datasets that you get, because I mean, that's always how you choose to listen to the things going on in your brain, right? Like you can choose what you choose, but sometimes it's just if something feels off, it probably is, right? The same thing if you're in a job you don't like or you follow a specific diet where you don't feel like it makes sense. If your intuition is telling you something, it's probably true, you know, it's probably something that you should learn to listen to.

100%. But another but here, we don't want to think about all these things as, as like negatives, because this is something that we've seen also with some clients where it's like, oh, I don't like my job, I don't like my situation, or whatever. But we also have to understand that it's a part of probably the journey and where you're going. And for sure, we have to appreciate what we're experiencing right now. So let's say we have health issues right now as well. This is your body's scream for help. And if you didn't have these symptoms, well, then maybe you would have been continuing to do all the wrong things. And then as a byproduct, further down the line, it probably would have been even worse. And this is something that we see as well, why it's so important also to actually take action. And if you have issues, we want to fix them as quick as possible for this specific reason as well, because everything compounds, right? In a positive direction but also in a negative direction. So if you've been struggling for things for a long time and you don't, like, you don't fix it, it's gonna get worse and worse and worse and worse, and it's gonna compound, compound, compound, compound, right? Yeah, that becomes very problematic.

Yeah, and that's where the intuition part comes in, right? I'm not saying that, like, in the present state that you should overthink, or— I mean, every negative can be flipped into a positive, right? So it's about being grateful for where you're at, being grateful that you have issues in the first place, because, I mean, that allows you to like get more into health and explore different areas. And one client of ours who had cancer, for example, before coming to us, he told me on the call that I was with him when we onboarded him that like one year ago I would never have been on a call like this, you know. And like the things and the challenges that he has been going through has put him on a different path of life, right? And probably in one scenario, the other person who had cancer went through what he went through, they're just like feeling sorry for themselves and Why is all of this happening to me? Like, what's going on? I don't deserve this, and have this sort of reaction towards things. Yeah, but instead he takes this as an experience. He takes it that this is probably happening for a reason, right, and flips it into something and makes something positive out of it.

100%. And this specific guy right now is obviously a very successful entrepreneur who is, you know, scaling his business very, very quick. And he's also getting, like, during our time now A lot has happened, as you said, probably. Like, so you could argue that— I don't want to say this because some people might go through like very, very shit stuff, but everything happens for a reason. It's a bit cliché because, yeah, it's easy to say, right? It's easy to say, right?

Yeah.

So I don't want to come off as a dickhead just saying that because— but some—

but everything can be like— everything where it's so negative, you can choose how you view it, from what perspective you view it. It can always be turned into a positive.

100%.

In one way or another.

And this is actually interesting because I have a personal story about exactly this, which is when everything changed for me also. It was one time back in the fall of 2023, so almost 3 years ago, where I'd been wanting to start my business and all these things, but I never put really any action. And I had a very negative kind of mindset towards, not life in general, but like the world is out to get me kind of thing. And I was like, yeah, and I came to the self-realization that like this negative mindset is not serving me anything at all, you know. And I committed on it. I remember this, like there was one day where I was like, from now on I'm just gonna be— I don't care what happens to me. I'm gonna be so positive and nothing— I'm not gonna allow anything to kind of break me. And I sat down and I literally like made an agreement with myself. And then what happened the next day? I played a football game or soccer game and I broke my ankle, right? And I thought to myself, yeah, like, now this is the test. I literally sat down and committed to this yesterday and now this happens. This is not a coincidence, you know? Yeah, of course. So I was like, okay, this is the challenge. I'm just going to be over-positively positive about this. And the story that I told myself was, instead of being, why did this happen? Because I was just about to start 75 Hard as well and document that journey on Instagram and everything, which I ended up doing, which I think ended up being a good thing because then people were like, whoa, this guy has broken his ankle, but he still like shows up and does the work, right? So I just think it's a good thing looking back at it, of course, as well. But I told myself that I don't see the full picture. This happened to me, or this is what I told me. This happened to me so that I wouldn't go out for a run tomorrow and probably get hit by a car and die.

Yeah.

So I was like, I'm grateful for this because this saved my life.

Yeah.

And that was the story that I kept telling myself. And like, you should be so delusionally positive To the point where if someone listens to what you're telling yourself right now, they're gonna be like, fucking lock this guy in, you know, he's crazy, you know. That's how you know you're framing things correctly.

I mean, there is a lesson in everything that happens, right? And I mean, usually if something does happen, there's probably something that you need to learn in there, you know, to develop your awareness, develop your consciousness, and grow as a human, grow as a spiritual being, you know.

Correct. But that's, um, that's also something that I, that I would want to encourage all of you guys probably listening to this to just do, to just like be as— try to just be positive towards everything because your life will be so much better as well.

Yeah, especially towards people, you know. I think so many people are so negative towards people. Yeah, it's like, why, you know? How is that serving you?

We see it in our comment, in my YouTube comments as well. Yeah. Oh, this guy just does this because he's too small and he can't do a bodybuilding competition. This guy is a scammer.

Yeah, but it just comes down to low awareness, right? Like, nobody who's further ahead would ever say something like that.

So never—

it's just, you just, you don't care, you know? Like, there's, there's nothing to it.

And this is one of the— this is one of my drivers also. I've talked about this a bit, but one of my— why I do what I do is because I believe that if people are healthier, they're also going to be more happier as a byproduct. Because— and that is going to make the world a better place. Because having a world where there's much negativity is not serving anyone really, in my opinion. Yeah, it's just serving the, like, the, the dark side of the whole— yeah, of the whole equation.

I love that. I love that, you know, Rich Piana, right? I love his perspective on it, that he's just like, I welcome the haters, I love the haters, keep hating because you're making me more famous, you're making me more money, keep commenting, keep, keep hating, you know? That was just his mentality towards it, like You're making me money, you know.

Yeah, I know. But it's— no, I truly believe, of course, that that can be a good thing. But I truly believe that the world would be a better place if everyone is just a tiny bit more elevated from a health and happiness perspective.

Yeah. And but also, I think that like signs of being further ahead in terms of your awareness is also meeting people based on where they're at, to come from a nonjudgmental position when someone is commenting like that, you still understand that, okay, like you haven't really gone further in your awareness, right? So I'm gonna meet you where you are at. I'm never gonna do anything in the same way towards you. Like if you meet someone that's negative or someone that's being an asshole to you, it's just, okay, you don't understand better. So I'm gonna meet you in the level of awareness that you have, and I'm gonna accept and respect you for it. And it's okay that you're not further ahead. Maybe one day you will be.

We talked about this yesterday as well with all of the peptide usage that's going around right, right now. We said this yesterday, and we're— where there's this Swedish guy that talks about peptides basically, which, um, and then out of interest I looked at the comments because I was like, there are so many comments on this video. So I just looked because, because I'm interested, what are the people that are actually commenting? Yeah, and saying on this video, and you see this, uh, this guy that 30, 35, probably worked out for 20 years, but you clearly see that this guy has no clue what he's doing from an input perspective. And yeah, this is where they, they look, because those same people are the ones that also then go to, go to, to maybe my comment section and say, this guy is— you don't know how many syringes this guy has in his bedroom and injecting all this, this fucking bullshit or whatever.

Yeah.

Which I just take as a compliment. Actually, that was— if someone would have told me when I started training that I would get like steroid accusations or whatever, I would be like, fuck yeah, I've made it. And now we're at the point where I'm not even trying, you know. But that's another story. But these people have— they lack a lot of— how should you frame this? Like perspective. Yeah, right. And, um, it's also the best you can do is try to— or the best I can do this in this situation is just try to showcase. And that is why the message that I'm always trying to preach is like, okay, but maybe you just haven't dialed in your gut health. Maybe you just haven't dialed in all your habits and your lifestyle. And maybe you're just drinking a liter of Coke Zero every Friday evening and, and eating some bullshit, and, and you think that that, you know, because another guy tells you that genetics—

yeah, yeah, sure.

And then that's the story that you believe. But like, if you're open-minded— and I know this is so hard for a lot of people because there's something— and this is one of the, one of the things that I, that I read up on when I started my entrepreneurial journey, which was one of the things that I still hold on today, which is something that is called the Brandolini's Law. I think I mentioned this to you a few days ago as well. Sure. With Basically, don't quote me on exactly how this, how this, or how it says, but something along the lines of it requires 10 times the effort to accept that you, you're not right.

Yeah.

And, uh, accept a new belief system.

Yeah.

Or challenge, challenge that you've been wrong rather than continuing living on in the belief that you at first have believed, right? And when I saw this in the beginning, that's when I actually started to question everything for myself because I was just like, some concepts and things that you first hear, it's like, it's so hard to believe that this is actually the case. But if you know this and you understand from an energy perspective that it's hard to question these things, it's hard to rewire your beliefs. And it's challenging, then everything becomes so much easier because you're aware of it, right? Rather than just like, if you're not aware of that, it's very easy to go back to the kind of first belief that you have and just like, no, this is nonsense, this is bullshit, because it requires so much more energy to process that. And that's arguably the case for some of these people where they hear, they maybe hear someone saying, uh, gut— I'm talking about gut health, stress management, and all the stress management, nervous system health, and mitochondrial optimization. And eating all this instant rice. They're starting to think about it and they're just like, nah, this is fucking bullshit. Because they don't have the mental capacity to process that and they don't have the internal energy because they might do the wrong inputs as well to actually be able to put the energy towards breaking their own beliefs.

Yeah, and I mean it's also about like, because again it comes down to awareness, it's about taking in all of the inputs, looking at all of the different perspectives and then finding out for yourself what's actually actually true or not. Like, I mean, in life, mainly if you listen to studies, if you listen to people's opinions too much, you don't go that far, right? You have to go by experience, in my opinion. Um, so it's like, try it, you know? Try different things, find out for yourself. Fuck around and find out, you know?

Fuck around and find out.

Yeah, the more you fuck around, the more you find out, you know?

It's very true, right?

And the same— that's also funny because when it comes to awareness, when it comes to health, everyone is looking for like a nootropic or some solution to, for example, if you have brain fog. But at the same time, they don't look at like, okay, how is my gut health? Do I have a leaky gut? Like, what's going on on the inside? They just always look at some external measure, external pill to fix like the symptom of an underlying problem, you know?

100%. It's always like, I have brain fog, what should I take? Lion's mane? Should I take L-theanine? Should I take nicotine or caffeine, coffee. We can talk a bit about that as well, Anton. But it's— you have to understand where this is coming from in the first place. And as you just said there, in this situation, if you have severe brain fog, well, that is coming from your gut lining not being optimized and dialed and not healthy, which means that you're going to leak out stuff and toxins and nutrients into your bloodstream, which is going to affect your ability to, yeah, like even be present. So no shit, you get brain fog as a byproduct of that, right? Because you have toxins in circulation, you're probably— your mood is getting de-elevated also, and then it just becomes this flywheel of things that happens as a byproduct of that.

And when it's not intact, right, instead of just like passing through and going through your stool, going through kidneys or whatever, it's just like leaching into the bloodstream, taking the easiest way out, right? So I mean, nobody questions that. I've never heard someone say, oh, I have brain fog, maybe it's because of leaky gut. That very rarely happens, you know.

It's the same thing.

In the general, in the general.

Yeah, in the general. This is the same thing. I had a call with our clients about this as well. But if we think about cholesterol, because this is also a very interesting thing, because most of you guys, everyone has gone to the doctor and you have high LDL and you, you have to be cautious about the saturated fats you're eating and all these things, right? Stop eating eggs, stop eating eggs, stop eating red meat, stop eating butter, all these things. But so, so no one questions your body's ability to produce nitric oxide. Which is the thing that will dictate how well the blood flows through your system.

Yeah.

And how open your, your blood vessels are, right?

Because cholesterol, they're always saying that it's clogging your blood, right?

It's clogging your blood, right?

Yeah.

But if you have super dialed nitric oxide production, it doesn't happen. It just flows freely. Yeah. If you have shit nitric oxide production, yeah. It's gonna clog, but it's not because of the cholesterol. Yeah, it's because of another variable that started it all. You see what I mean?

Yeah, of course. But at the same time, I think that cholesterol is not one universal thing, right? Like, there's different type of cholesterol, the size of it, or— you have more knowledge on this than me.

Yeah, and what cholesterol does in our blood is it's as a band-aid. So if we have damage on the inner linings of our vessels, Yeah, cholesterol comes there and, and patches it up. So the problem here becomes if your vessels are very cramped or nitric oxide production is shit, which means that they're, they're small, right? And then you have all this damage in your, in your blood vessels from oxidative stress, from whatever other bullshit, from toxins leaking out to your bloodstream because your, your gut lining is, is messed up. Which lets toxins in, which damage your blood vessel walls, right? Yeah. And then the cholesterol comes there and it patches everything. And then it patches everything because you have so much damage. Of course it clogs.

Makes sense.

So that's also— there's so many variables to that equation.

Yeah.

It's nitric oxide. It's how damaged your blood vessels are.

Yeah.

And then it's the cholesterol, right? Which is not a good thing in my opinion. That's like, that's the ambulance coming to help out.

You know, makes sense. And on the nitric oxide side of things, I mean, like, there's— there is that mechanism, right? Like, where you get more pump, you feel better, I guess, more blood flow throughout your entire body for the tiny guy down there sometimes, you know. But I mean, like, when it comes to raising that or like measuring that, how would anyone even look into that, you know?

I think a good, uh, practical measurement is, are you getting a stiffy every morning? Yeah, that's— that's usually—

would you say that that's like nitric oxide? Because everyone speaks only about like, oh, then you have good testosterone, you know?

It's a mix. It's a mix of hormones.

So someone can have very good testosterone but their nitric oxide is completely fucked up. Okay, interesting.

Which also—

how does cardio play into that picture?

Cardio plays in because it helps us when we transfer blood, like when we get the blood flowing, um, yeah, like quicker throughout our body. Obviously the heart is pumping everything out, right?

Right. Yeah.

It kind of keeps the system in circulation, right? So it trains your body to, to, to like have the pump working efficiently, right?

Yeah.

So there's no real magic to, to the cardio itself. Yes, it helps maybe lowering the resting heart rate and all these things as a byproduct as well, because your— the pump gets healthier. That's kind of how you can see it. But it's just about keeping everything flowing more efficient, because if it's just flowing slowly all the time, That's not a good thing. And, and that's, that, that's how you can see someone that doesn't do cardio and never elevates his heart rate. But when you— it's like, uh, you all— what other analogy can I give? You always just want to make sure that you, okay, just flush through the system sometimes here and there, right? Yeah, makes sense.

But can't you just do that with a sauna then?

Yeah, I mean, sauna is as close to cardio without the— without the— because that also helps with nitric oxide and it also helps with blood flow and all these things.

So why would you even do cardio then? Is it necessary besides like movement, you know, where you can just walk?

I think it is because I think we should be— you should be a, um, what do you say, hybrid, multiple-sided being, you know. I don't want to be limited, uh, if it's— if it's— if it has some sort of negative side towards your health to do cardio? Yeah, you could argue, but here comes back to, to why I don't like this question. This is because we can find the positive and the negative in absolutely everything, Anton. So it's just like focusing on the wrong thing. So I think there's some positive gains to that. I want to be able to sprint, I want to be able to run if I have to. I don't want to be limited by my physical capacity, right? And of course there's some downside. I mean, it's the same thing with training. You could sit here and argue that training is not good for longevity and health because there's, there's some sort of Cortisol spike, right? So I don't really like that question, um, but do you understand how I see how I'm thinking about it?

Yes, for sure.

Um, but yeah, nitric oxide, back to that, um, super, super—

that's interesting. But how do you boost it then? I mean, it's also diet, right? Like beetroots, eating like, I guess, variety.

Yeah. And it's not like, oh, I have to only eat nitric oxide foods.

Like, does that make sense?

I don't know. No, no, that's not going to save you because it's also produced in your gut, right? So if you have a damaged and inflamed gut lining, you're not going to produce nitric oxide.

It all stems down to the gut.

It does, which is absolutely crazy. But that's once again why we take the approach that we do. Yeah. So these are, these are more byproducts that are, that are good to be aware of rather than like a thing that you should be actively trying to optimize. Because if you optimize for the gut and for the stress management and for the nervous system, you're ticking so many boxes as a bipro. Well, I like to view this as a, as a, uh, family tree. You know, you have the 2 persons at first that creates the, the first child, and then those creates more and more and more and more. And then you have this whole tree with like people, and it all started with 2 people, right? And let's say gut and stress and nervous system are the 2 first people here in this equation. And then that ties into literally every single function in your whole body.

Yeah, I guess also something interesting, like if we continue on the track of the brain fog, like people that crash middle of the day, right? And then they crash, they get like 2 PM crash, drink coffee to mask it, and it's just like a negative spiral. I guess if you would explain it in the most simple terms, like why do you think the crash is happening? Like, what's like the main variables leading up to that in your eyes? Obviously fucked up gut, right? But there are other variables as well. But yeah, you know, like in terms of like meals and structuring things.

And yeah, wrongly structured meals for the wrong season is a massive one that we see as well. Yeah, like as a prime example, now in the summer we're more primed to eat more, or we're more primed to utilize glucose as a fuel source. So we see this time and time again with some clients where it's like they started to eat a lot of like rice or something where they thought they're gonna get these crashes before, but when their system is optimized, like Lucas Medall mentioned, this is like, this just feels like rocket fuel right now. It just feels like I get all this energy when I eat, which is exactly how it should be. But if he were eating a shit ton of protein and fat right now, as an example, it probably wouldn't have given the same response because that's not what his mitochondria is optimized for right now. So it's fuel source and it's understanding that the most simple thing or way we can approach this and think about this is in in summer, right, in more light, depending on where you are in the world, of course, we want to have more simple sugars, more carbs, less fats. And then when it comes to the wintertime, when it gets a bit colder, not as much sun, we want to focus on fat and protein as the main fuel sources. So that's number one, which is fundamental, right, from a dietary perspective of just how you're structuring things. That's the first thing. Second thing is just in my opinion, creating too much debt from a stress perspective and not compensated with credit. And eventually you hit, like, you hit the wall, the wall where it's just like, okay, now you fucked up, you know, you can't pay this back.

Yeah.

So that means, that tells you that you should have done— you have to, um, what do you say, be proactive before that happens. So you sit and work for a couple hours, and then by 2 PM it just crashes, right? But if you were to work, create some credit, work, credit.

Yeah, like the nervous system breaks. 5-minute breaks, go out, do nothing. Correct. Kind of pay for your debt, right?

Yeah, pay for your debt, then that doesn't happen.

Yeah.

So that's the second thing. And you— I like to think of this as a chart as well. If we have a— we want a wavy chart. If you have a standard chart that just goes up, it just— it goes slowly, slowly, slowly, and then it just Like that, right?

In terms of stress?

In terms of stress, right? And when you're up there, that's when you hit the ceiling, that's when everything crashes. Yeah. But if you create a chart, and that becomes from just credit, credit, credit, credit, credit. But if you create credit, or debt, I mean, if you create debt, credit, debt, credit, debt, credit, by the end of the day, you're gonna be back at where you started because it's gonna go like this. So that means that you're gonna hold a more stable energy throughout the full day. Yeah, and you're not going to experience these big crashes as a byproduct because you've actually been proactive about it.

Yeah, something interesting as well for people in general and also people with gut issues that they love to fast, right? I think we should speak a bit about fasting because I think there's a lot of misconceptions on fasting. I think it has its purpose, right? But in most cases I don't think it's like the best thing to implement for someone with health issues, you know, who's fasting to kill out the bacteria. Yeah, fasting to kill out bacteria or like give the digestive— so they fast instead of eating because eating causes discomfort and bloating, and— or they fast to have more energy. Like, people just throw fasting at everything without like fixing the underlying thing, which creates an even more elevated stressed state.

And as a byproduct, if you have an overgrowth of bacteria, this bacteria wants to eat something constantly, right? They want to feed on what they— on something. If you're not supplying anything, what's going to end up happening is that, let's say you have an overgrowth of a bacteria for someone with gut issues, for someone with gut issues, right? Let's say it's SIBO or whatever it might be. When it doesn't get what it wants through fasting, it's going to start to eat up on your own gut lining. Yeah, so it's going to start— you're going to start like eating up yourself from the inside, and this will then also create a leaky gut as a byproduct. But because you start to eat up, like, you're literally— you start to eat it, it starts to eat up the gut lining. So elevated stress starts to— and you're also, if you do that and you have some bacterial overgrowth, you're going to get leaky gut on top of that. Which obviously is going to mean even worse symptoms in the long run and even worse health as a byproduct. So because we have to understand that the food that we're eating also kind of works as a shield for stress in our life. Carbohydrates, we can argue, you know, works as a bit of a shield. I mentioned this before, but like there's a reason why all the triathletes and when I did my Ironman, you know, I constantly had a flow of carbohydrates when I was training to mitigate the stress response. Yeah, because if I constantly have something like that the body can eat off externally, it doesn't take internally, right?

It doesn't start to— Yeah, that makes sense.

So yeah, but fasting, don't get me wrong, fasting has its time and place. I think it can be very good.

Yeah, for sure.

To do, but if you have severe problems, it's not the solution.

Yeah, yeah, not in that state, right? But again, when you have a foundation and a system that's working, I love fasting. Like last time I did a fast, it was 48 hours, and it just felt like my gut was like completely reset in one way. It was amazing after. But again, goes down to— requires context. Yeah, I don't have a chronic burnout or gut issues, you know. But that's funny because, um, a friend of mine, as, as you know, right, he went to a functional medicine doctor, uh, he's been diagnosed with SIFO, right? So he's on like all these antimicrobials. Trying to kill off this fungal infection, eating super low carb, fasting mainly throughout the entire day. He's been on this very strict carnivore keto-ish diet for a long period of time. And what's very interesting about that is, I mean, sure, you can probably cut out carbs and do that sort of approach to cut out like what's actually stressing him and stressing his gut in the first place, but at the same time, this guy had a burnout, right? Like, that was initially why the problems appeared in the first place, because the stress comes down to the nervous system. And as you know, and as you are a proponent of, it's like when you have a lot of stress going on, you need to also eat a lot of carbohydrates. And the first thing they do from someone who's chronically stressed, has been to the point and like is actually burnt out, strip the carbs, you know? Boom, strip the carbs, eat them antimicrobial, go on this keto diet.

And this, this is so like, I think this is so interesting because this is what we see with all entrepreneurs as well that has had some sort of dietitian and maybe personal trainer in their life before as well, where it's like, oh, you need to lose some weight, let's, let's diet even harder. Yeah, let's cut back on the carbs, let's eat low carbs and train hard and do a lot of cardio, which is like, for an already stressed system, you're just stacking even more stress, which is never gonna be the solution.

Yeah, I guess. Why do— because maybe it has helped him in the short term with, like, relief in terms of his gut, right? But even if, even if his gut is totally wrecked and he's that stressed, like, why would you propose him to eat and up the carbs, you know?

The first thing that we have to address is doing that extreme of a diet is obviously taking away all the diversification, which in the short term, as you just said, and we've, we've seen this time and time again, we have so many clients that has come in from trying carnivore or keto, whatever it might be, where short term they get a good amount of results, right? They feel good because they take away all the fermentation of the carbohydrates in the gut. They take away all the inflammation, they take away everything, right? But then a few weeks in, hell starts to break loose because you completely downregulate your gut microbiome as well. You just give the same inputs and the same bacterial inputs, which creates problems, right? Because you're not having a broad variety of inputs in your system. This is the first thing, and that in the long term will create massive problems because an oversanitized— I like to look at microbiome— is not a good thing. Yeah, we always want to have a constant flow of almost like bad bacteria and good bacteria. Yeah, that's how we keep the system alive, how we keep the engine going. And then when it comes to, to the carbs in this, uh, in this equation, it's the same thing as we just said here with that is gonna take away the whole how your body can handle, um, stress in a day-to-day, um, in a day-to-day sense, right? And it's going to start to eat from, from within as a byproduct.

Yeah, because like even though like maybe, uh, he would fuel his, uh, fungal in his stomach by eating a ton of carbs, like I think still think that the fungal is there because of another reason. Yeah, but at the same time, I think the first intervention would probably still be to have a lot of carbs in the picture because like we have to try and get the stress under control, right? Otherwise none of the approaches will work.

Correct.

And the issue that I think is with most of these functional medicine doctors is again, some of them probably help their clients and have more of an awareness, but in the general picture they always try to target like a specific thing like SIBO, SIFO, implement antimicrobial. It's basically like going to traditional healthcare, but you're just using like a different, more holistic approaches. Because they never look at what's— what, what is actually foundation. Why did these issues come in the first place? They just target the specific issue. Time passes by, maybe one year down the line the issue comes back because the foundation is not fixed, you know. They don't look at the overall picture, which I don't think they're doing to my friend right now, but he still has faith and belief in that, and guess it has to run its course, right? Maybe they will help him, maybe they have more awareness, I'm not sure. But it's sad to see, you know, when you see someone in that of a state and like the first thing you do is slap like a keto diet to someone who's in a burnout, you know.

It's very interesting and it's like, it is, they're still solving kind of the right thing because they're solving the gut, but they're not looking at what was the trigger.

Yeah.

And that is the secret. Because that is where you have to start. If we're starting at— if we think about the 2 persons that creates this whole tree again, if we don't start at the 2 first people, let's say they had some messed up gene, these 2 people, right?

Yeah.

And they created one child that also got this messed up gene, and then everyone else in this whole family got messed up. You're not starting and trying to go like in the— if you were to solve this, you're not starting somewhere in the middle. You have to go back to the first 2 persons. Yeah, to— obviously you can't really solve that, but whatever, you, you get the, you get the point. That's where it also—

analogy, it's not like—

yeah, it's an analogy. It's just so you can kind of contextualize this in your head, right? You always, always, always have to start with the first trigger. Yeah, when we, when we go about solving. And, and the problem here is that this is probably solving maybe the second or the third pillar in this equation.

Yeah.

And if the first pillar is not getting solved, it might work— most likely, unfortunately. Yeah, it might come back. And this is also what we see with so many clients. They've gone through functional medicine doctors. John is a nice example. He's been struggling for the last 20 years Yeah, and, and it's not like he's been having a hell for the last 20 years. He's been going through a couple cycles of improvements for a few weeks and then back, and then improvements and then back, and just bouncing from practitioner to practitioner to practitioner, trying always the inconsistent protocols, always inconsistency. Yeah, and now he's, he's having consistency for the first time in his life because we actually solved from the first pillar. Yeah, and all everyone else had been doing, it's not like they've been completely retarded and not knowing anything about what they did. That's not what I'm trying to say there and say that I'm some alien from another planet.

It's just a different way of looking at different mechanics. It's just the way we do things. It might take longer, might not be the most ideal solution, but like everyone gets the outcome, you know, in the long run.

And I think it makes sense when you think about it long— when you think about it, because if we don't solve from the first trigger of course it's going to come back. Like, that's— that is most important to solve, and then we can solve everything else.

Yeah.

And that ties into exactly, once again, the approach that we take with all clients right now, which is exactly that. We solve from the first pillar and try to understand exactly why that— or what that is. Because if not, none of the other things that we are gonna do is gonna work.

Yeah. I mean, look at the root cause, right?

Look at the root cause.

For example, like, uh, one of our clients, Em, right, with the issue in his throat where he always got like, yeah, he got like tired of speaking and had some problems with his throat, right? And again, like every single practitioner he went to, he told me that like they're never really listening to him. They're never really looking at the big picture. They just brush it off and hand him some pill.

Oh, here's the pill because it's some acid reflux that creates this. Yeah, that's what they told him.

Yeah, it's not like they're looking at like the deeper cause of why is this actually going on in the first place, right? Which probably stems down to some level of stress, right? And it's like basically the only implementation you did, like fix the stress and the problem got way better, right? So it's interesting how their perspective is on all of this.

Yeah, without needing any supplements, without needing anything like this.

Yeah, but at the same time I do believe that there are like functional medicine doctors and some people who have like a deeper understanding of this. And can look at this, but again, in general, right, most of them don't based on most of our clients that's been through.

Yeah, and if you didn't have that stress but you just had that fungal overgrowth, that approach might have been working fantastic, you know, and it might have, it might would have solved everything in the long term as well. But I have a hard time seeing that that's gonna, you know, be the case. He's probably gonna get a bit of a backlash eventually, but obviously now he has you and me that he kind of can consult a bit on this as well.

Now the dog is going crazy.

Penny is going crazy in the background.

Tyst!

Hörru Penny, ligg ner. She want to join. Yeah, we don't have a third mic, otherwise she would be here. Yeah, no, but I think, uh, yeah, do we have any last— I guess we can touch a bit on coffee because obviously we're sitting here drinking a bit of coffee. Yeah, eating croissants, drinking some sugary lemonade and Yeah, it's actually really good, this one. Yeah, no, but it also, it also comes down to— it's the same thing here with coffee. A lot of people utilize coffee as kind of a masking mechanism where it's like, I drink this to cover up my underlying issues, which is not how we want to approach it and utilize it. You know, that should be— when I drink coffee, I want to feel like, you know, Tony Stark. That should be something that amplifies you. It shouldn't be something that you require to function.

It's insanely potent. Um, when I watched that, uh, I think it was a caffeine podcast with some caffeine guy on like Joe Rogan or something like that, which was super interesting. And I did like 6 months of caffeine when I was super strict because I ate like the— not like 100% raw primal animal-based, but very close to it, right? A lot of cooked meat, carnivore kind of, with the plasma, with the salt water. And during that time I had basically zero stimulants, zero toxins. I didn't touch anything with sugar. Like, I was insanely strict for like 5 to 6 months. And then when I finally drank a coffee, it was like doing a line of the white powder, you know. It was insane how potent that is. Now that I'm drinking it on a frequent basis, it doesn't have that effect. But that gives you like the perspective on it, like how potent this, this drug actually is, which is what it is, right? It's a drug. The world's most consumed drug.

You always want to cycle it. You never want to end up in a situation where you need it to function once again. So taking an approach where, first of all, making sure that your system actually works, and because it also puts a lot of— it's a base level of stress that accumulates by drinking caffeine, right? Yeah. Most people need less stimulants in their life, but it also stresses your adrenals a bit and whatnot. But If you're dialed, if your system is dialed and you know that it can actually amplify your life a bit, then by all means go for it. I mean, it's like having a coffee before a good workout or something. It's actually something that I feel like helps, but it's— before I used to rely on pre-workouts to have a good gym session. That's not a situation you want to be in.

I was a coffee demon, you know, and most Swedish people already drink like a liter a day each.

In Scandinavia, which dehydrates the shit out of you. They're not— they're drinking plain water on top, which also dehydrates the shit out of you. And then they wonder also why they get the crashes and why they're tired all day and why they're looking like, you know, just a soft potato in their face and just like looks—

yeah, minerals, you know, hydrating yourself. It's funny how Kalle, our meat guy, yesterday said that after the retreat, after we had sort of the mastermind, started implementing plasma and salt water. Yeah, implemented Celtic salt in his water, and now he's barely like pissing anymore because his body's like actually absorbing.

Exactly, which is just insane. Yeah, that alone is arguably one of the most powerful implementations one can do in general for so many things. It's hydrating, it helps obviously, it can help flush your colon and get rid of toxins. It's going to help you prevent and kind of be a shield mechanism for stress. It's gonna help repair your gut lining. Like, salt is—

coffee is very dehydrating. Like, I piss like a maniac when I drink coffee, you know? Yeah. So I have to stock up on the plasma.

On the plasma. And it's, it's interesting how salt is so demonized.

Yeah, but it's the wrong type of salt. They don't understand salt, right? Like, of course, if you're eating table salt, then you're gonna kill yourself, right? But again, it comes down to not eating— eating whole foods, eating non-processed stuff. Celtic salt.

If there's one takeaway from this, go get yourself a really good salt. If you're interested in exactly the salt I use, send me a message or something on Instagram and I'll send you— let's do like this, because if you watch to this point, we have a very in-depth protocol for this actually that we just usually send to our clients. So if you send me a message on Instagram and ask, Lukas, can you send over, or send over the the Plasma SOP. Yeah, we'll send that over.

It's a resource.

Yeah, it's insanely in-depth about this topic and very practical as well. Something we usually just give to our clients. So if you want that, send me a message on Instagram and I'll send it over to you as a little thank you for listening to us.

Yeah, I mean, that implementation is worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. Like, literally, literally, it's a crazy game changer.

Um, I think that's a good way to wrap it up, Anton. Do we have any, any final—

I mean, we can talk for 8 more hours, but we gotta end it at some point, right?

Yeah, yeah.

Health is a deep topic.

It is. We could sit here and, and that's the fun part about it. It's so, it's so simple but also complex at the same time.

Yeah, yeah, I like it. I— it's so aligned with me, you know, how it taps into all of these like esoteric topics which I'm also very interested in, and like everything just overlaps, you know. Yeah, with health, with the universe, with your mindset. It all, it's all correlated.

It absolutely is, I guess. Um, yeah, it's, uh, it's good to wrap up as well. If, if you're, um, if you're interested in, in exploring how it looks to, to work, work with me, there will, there will be a link in the, in the description where you can go and kind of just read up a bit more on it and also apply and see if you, um, if, if we're the right fit, right? We, we don't just take on anyone, uh, we take on the ones that we actually know that we can help, uh, because we have a very like sort of strict guarantee as well. Like if you're not getting any results, you don't pay, right? Yeah. So, um, we want to make sure that it's the right person because we obviously don't want to end up in a situation where we take someone on that we know we, we can't—

committed people with the right, right issues. Yeah.

Yeah, and if that's the case, check below. It's result basis. You will speak to— if you qualify, you'll speak to Anton here, which Anton is my right-hand man. He's sitting on my left side right now, but he's my right-hand man. And Anton will kind of take you through a bit more in-depth how everything works and how that could potentially look. So if you're interested, check below, see if you qualify, and we'll take it from there. But I guess Nice. It's been a good, good chat. Yeah, time flies, Anton, for sure, when we speak.

But, uh, over an hour.

Yeah, if you have any questions on, on these things, please let us know. Let us know if, um, probably in the comment section, whatever. Yeah, we're probably gonna make a few more of these, so if you have any, any topics or anything you want us to bring up for the next one as well, just drop below and we'll make sure to, to cover that. But, uh, I guess that wraps it up.

Yeah, good chat. Thanks for watching.

Thanks for watching. Over and out.

This one have perfect digestion.

Yeah, perfect digestion. The perfect digestion goes on toilet four times a day. Perfect poop everything.