Clickfunnels Secrets, Masterminds, Aliens, Conspiracies & More... - CIFC Episode 170

So we're back. We realized after just sort of impromptu putting together, sitting down and talking last week, we haven't actually discussed why there was a big gap in this podcast coming out. What's been happening at this place, what you're up to.

It's been like a weird, nebulous time for sales number because, like, setting level became such a beast behemoth of a thing. And like, sales never became cost benefit thing. Where it was like, Jesus is a really worst. Putting all this effort and energy into this number years bigger and more profitable. And so, you know, from there we sort of changed focus and we downscaled sniper to like, we just got rid of all the clients that weren't really profitable. And then we're just going to do it for people that can provide really good leads and have a really good system. And like, no more new businesses and no businesses that have had ads off for three or six months. We were sort of in a position where I was like, hey, we don't really need it. And a lot of the stuff at sales, my broker sort of retas the people stuff in seventh when I was.

Here, it was getting sort of difficult to distinguish the two, right? Like, it was kind of people were doing roles for both.

There were still kind of detangling them, you know what I mean? So, like, we sort of did a bit of a final detangle this week of like, kind of that, but figuring out, like, what does sales number do and what does seventh level do? And like, how do we not kind of things up by, like, when you intertwine them, it makes both businesses a little bit more anemic. In the beginning, what happened was like, I was doing sales for seven myself, and then I kind of. I was also doing sales for other clients. I think it was like December of 2021, I kind of like stopped doing sales full time and then started running the businesses. And that's where I started growing both of them. And then from there it was like basically sales sniper kind of acted as like the infrastructure of seventh level and kind of subsidized its growth, essentially, is what really happened. For lack of a better term, it wasn't much money going for it, but it was like all the people that were working over here, right? And like not getting paid for by them. And then from there it kind of ended up sort of switching. Not not switching over, but like, we sort of. I took a large chunk of the business and put it into second level. Second level grow independently. But then like, that kind of made sales sniper A bit more anemic because like, you know, I just, I took a chunk of things out and people out and didn't really like replace them and stuff like that. And so sort of looked at it and was like, you know, what is sales sniper? You know, it's a really good done for you sales agency. Like, because I know how to do it and Marvin knows how to do it and stuff like that. But like, if we're really focused over here, like, what are we really doing? So really we just nuked it down to like three or four clients. Right, right. And then, you know, I was like, well, as seventh level got a bit more. Okay, cool. Like, everything's working really well. It's a nice growth path. There's lots of people in there. It's like, is there an opportunity now to grow it again? But the right way? Because the way that we did it initially was like every client on the fucking planet. Like we had like 50 clients. It was madness. You know, like, it was like, there's no sales agency that's going to that level. And I can see why. It was just a really bad idea.

So just too many clients.

Too many. Mental. Yeah, like, because the moment you sort of add that level of client, you add so much operational complexity, complexity in the business and you have to have so many people and like those. It's such a high risk proposition of a business that like you have a bad couple of months, like, you know, a couple of your key accounts, ad accounts go down.

You're. Yeah.

Like, you gotta pay these people.

Yeah.

You know, and so that you either end up with like just nuking everybody or.

So let me see if I understand correctly. Because you're building, you took on so many accounts, had so many people, and when things are going great, you. It's awesome. But because you have to feed so many leads or deal with so many leads from so many different accounts, you put on a lot of different staff that you're on.

Managers that manage. Managers that manage. Yeah, those people are making money.

Yeah.

And you're on the hook for those people.

Yeah.

You have to pay them their salaries, whatever. But you're not necessarily always in control of making enough money or having enough leads or whatever to actually facilitate them doing work that makes enough money for.

The business to go. And then what happened is we're like, okay, cool, we'll become good at marketing. So then we're like, let's start our own marketing company. And we got a marketing company up to 300 grand a month in 21 days. Yeah, right. Not, not, not, not like, not bad. Right. But then we were like, because we were the sales guys and we were like, yeah, we'll do your ads too. Like, even when it worked, the bills they were paying were so astronomical.

Yeah.

That like we were, you know, we're taking 25% and 20 grand a month plus the other few things. So like some of the clients are paying us 400 grand a month. That's a lot of money to pay one person even if they are doing all the work to get it and doing a good job. All that kind of stuff, like it starts to eat away at the relationship. No matter how good a job you do, unless they have a real big picture view of it, which just isn't that common. You know, there was one client that we had, Eurotron, which was their crypto account. Like I still got a good relationship with them, like really nice guys. But we had a 22 times return of ad spend. Like, and so we weren't doing the marketing, the sales.

That's outrageous.

Outrageous.

What's like, what would you look at normally and go, oh yeah, that's pretty good.

Five.

Okay.

Yeah. They'll be like, yeah, well that nice. Five to one yoga and a business of that size. Like we got them from zero to three million month, six months. Right. No, I say we, but like I facilitated. Right. We had 15 full time guys in there.

Yeah.

You know, but I architected that system. So I, I managed that account. I, I, I architected it and then from there we had like, you know, person during the day to day and stuff like that. But like it was a real system. And I was like, oh sweet, we can leverage this. And we started off selling it for eight grand. I ended up selling 25 grand. Right, right. So we, we figured out a few things and we had a really efficient system. And so, but they were paying us 25%, 22%, whatever it was.

Right.

And they can play closer. 8% and then the manager 1% over and 900 grand a year. The guy's happy as Larry. So when they started paying us $350,000 a month in commission, they started building an internal team. I knew they were doing it.

Yeah.

And I was like, good luck, like you're not going to beat my guys. But I was like, they will figure out a system to match the profit though. And so like I knew that it was a bit of a ticking clock. And so I guess that's kind of.

The issue when you're doing everything for someone. It's kind of Happening within a black box that they can't see.

Well, they should have though. But I wasn't good at the, like, it's funny, right? Like, I sort of figured out what I did wrong with a few of those things. And I had a mate in my email, Max. Right. He is like, isn't like a SaaS sales guy, like, working for Microsoft and those kind of companies. So a lot of that's like account management to like hold the account. And what he kind of explained to me was like, yeah, like, they like accounts. Like, you need to tell them all the things you fixed, but they're maybe down. Right, Right. Like, so it's not just about.

So they can see it.

Well, like, they should be terrified of you leaving and they shouldn't want to take a shit without asking. Yeah, right. And so like, we just fixed stuff and just did stuff, which meant that like, they just assumed their marketing was awesome.

Right.

Right. Now when they tried to build their internal team, they're paying them 8%. My God, we're paying 22. Right. So but it took them like six months to figure out how to just match us in terms of profit. They were like, how are you doing? You know, I was like, well, pay me money. You can do a handover if you'd like. We can facilitate this transition. Yeah, I actually learned a lot from doing that because, like, from there, like, I started like pre. Preempting transitions because as soon as they get to a couple million dollars a month, like, they're just too big for an external team. Unless it's like part of a greater thing. Like, we're doing Brunson sales.

Right.

We're doing all the mastermind sales for Brunson. And they're a $300 million company.

Yeah.

So, you know, so is that seventh level doing that or is that sales?

Nine months. This is done for you sales.

Right.

So the distinction is like, done for you sales and like pure sales consultancy and then anything sales training.

Right.

So, like, if I get a lead in through the Sales Sniper website, it's a sales training. Like, I just the guys to sell. You know what I mean? Because like Sales Sniper, like, we don't want it to be big again, but we want it to be profitable. Of course. So, like, we're doing a couple of good accounts at the moment and like, that will probably open the door to a couple of other good ones.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Are you doing any of the marketing of those accounts or just the sales?

Oh, we're doing the marketing for two Accounts. But one is just a marketing account. One is a marketing and sales, which we've been doing for years, which is like cyber. We've done it for a long time. Right. And there's no other ones that just sales. Right. So because like. But we can give them some good insight. So like for click funnels, like they're phenomenal marketing. They've never done marketing for that. I was actually meeting them today and I was like, you guys don't see a few of these animals. I'm like, oh no we don't. I was like, they're like, they're like, they're so close to it and they've been in their field so long that they don't see some of the things they had no one else has.

Yeah, yeah.

I was like, why don't you guys just like. I was like, you have access to everyone's data, right? They're like, yeah. And I was like, why don't you just like show them? Like don't show the people's data but go like, this is what success looks like for online fitness. Your open rate should do this if it's not right. So like it's like so easy. And I was like, do that like, oh yeah, you know, so. Because they have some really good coaching programs that teach an awful lot because they have so much insight, you know, but like the way that they're marketing that particular insight is like not super relevant to who they're trying to market it to. But it's because they're like the greatest in the world of marketing.

Right.

Doesn't mean that they're like, so they understand. So once you kind of go, no, no, the customer journey needs to be this like, oh yes, people. And they go to.

Right.

But it's like a totally different customer journey.

Right.

Someone buying clickfunnels versus someone buying a 30k mastermind. It's just different. But they're like media buying and funnel building ability to optimize things is phenomenal. How's clickfunnels make money in every way imaginable.

Yeah.

So you pay a subscription to get into it.

Yeah, it's like 197amonth. I think it's 97, 197 or 297amonth depending on how much access and how many different things you have and how many team members you have.

Yeah.

But then do they take a clip of everything that goes through the funnel? So it's just a stripe?

No, they do have a payment processor which is pretty small.

Right.

So which is Payments AI. So they bought that a while ago, and it's like, it uses Stripe as well, but then, like, it's quite clever. So, like, Stripe sucks for subscriptions. And so you get a lot of why. It's because of the way the coding works with the banks. Right. So when you get, like a decline on Stripe and it says insufficient files, it has nothing to do with the amount of funds. It's just Stripe trying to make you feel good. Like there's a reason. They don't know the reason. It's just whatever. That's what the bank or that's what Stripe is told to show you. So what happens is there's like a code that goes out along with the transaction. And so the banks have an algorithm which decides if that code is legit and if they should protect their code customer. It's all customer protection stuff. Right? Like $50. $50. You have $50. If you're functioning human, you have $50 on your credit card. Right. Like, Jesus Christ. And so Payments AI knows what the bank is likely to accept and then changes how that transaction looks to the bank.

Yeah. Right. Okay.

Right. So like, Stripe is used by every scammer on the planet.

Yeah, yeah.

Right. And so like a Stripe transaction is immediately flagged. Right, Right. But it's like the only payment processor that makes any sense for 90% of businesses. Right. Unless you like the NFL, you know, and so, because I've looked into all of them and everyone claims to be cheaper and nobody is.

So you're not on Stripe.

Stripe still is the best, in my opinion. It is the best for 99% of the. Any business that does any sort of online transaction. Right. But like, Payments AI uses Stripe and a couple of other things, and it's actually cheaper than Stripe by itself. Right. So it's quite a good way of doing it. Like, we're looking into it. But you can only use it in click, because. Click. Right. So like, that's the way that they can. Right, but that makes sense. But like, it's. It's a. It's supposed to increase the. And plan and sort of like, acceptance rate of that kind of stuff and so. And be better for chargebacks and like that. All right. One of the shitty things about the strike is you lose a. You lose a dispute, everything.

Yeah.

Like, no matter how much evidence, like we. We've submitted, like, zoom calls. Oh, yeah, this. Come. Wait for it. Love it. Sending testimonials.

Yeah.

And they're like, I never love you in like. But here's a Testimonial from the person. I don't care.

Yeah.

Which I get it. Like, it's just not worth their effort.

Yeah.

You know, so, yeah, I've only had one on stripe. And it was very clear the guy was just being a dick. He'd consumed everything. Like, everything I submitted way more like enough data to get the guy if.

It'S marked as far.

Yeah.

And he just. Was they just.

No, his mark just did not receive even that one.

Yeah, yeah.

He.

It was. Didn't recognize the charge. Like, I don't know.

This isn't terrifying. I had a guy dispute gun for you, sales commissions a year later. Yeah, right. And I was like, are you right, motherfucker? I called him. It was like 90 grand.

Yeah.

I was like, hey, man. Oh, I don't know what you're talking about. You definitely do.

Like, and he turned it around.

Yeah. Like, we're going to fix this, aren't we, buddy? Sorry. He's just running out of cash. Yeah, yeah. So anyway. But yeah, so, like, we have, you know, Brunson at the moment, which is a great account, really fun to work on. Like that sort of taking up in terms of done for you sales all the time. You know what I mean? Because it's quite complex because we're like architecting the entire system.

Right.

That's a feather in your cap.

Right?

Like doing sales for clickfunnels.

Yeah. You know, it's good. Like, it's an interesting conundrum because it's.

Like.

Where do you start? Because, like, if you did it full time, like, if I did it full time, I could figure out how to make that business an extra 100 million, no questions asked. But it's like, where do you start and how much do you do?

Yeah.

You know, so the plan is like, for me to architect everything from beginning to end. We're going to start with one thing. So we started with the 2ccx coaching program, which is a great program. And then from there it's like, how do we upsell them? Because the cool thing is like, you join clickfunnels. Right? And what they did a great job was they gamified making money. And so the point of it is like, oh, I'll win it. To win a two Comic club award. Right. To win a two Coma Club award, you have to put a million dollars right now to get the award. You have to apply for the award that costs money, Right. Then when you accept the award, you get a funnel acting line, obviously, because you want to get to the person.

Yeah.

Right, but you pay for that.

Yeah.

Then to get the 32nd, you get your photo where you don't make eye contact.

Don't.

You've done all that.

Hey, right. I did a. I was talking about that. But just in case you ever saw a podcast.

I'm sure he's not watching.

No, I'm sure he's not watching. And so. And then from there, then from there, like you paved the block.

Right?

Right. Now, once you get that, what's the next one, buddy?

Yeah.

Right. And there's a coaching program that's designed to help you get from like about 200k a year to the million so that you can get to 2 CTX. And that costs like roughly 30 grand, right? Roughly. Exactly 30 grand. Right. So then from there there's the next thing, which is like, in order to get to the next Mastermind, you have to have won the two Coma Club. Right. And so you. To buy that, it's significantly more. Right. And then from there you want to win the 2ccx, which is the 10 man. So once you pay for the application, pay for the plaque on a funnel hack, and accept it, then you're. You're eligible to then go into the significantly more expensive category case, which is designed to help you get to the 2 CCC.

Okay.

Which is the 25 million award. Once you've won the 25 million award, you are eligible to go on to Atlas, which is what I'm in. Which is $250,000 a year. Right? Yeah. Right. But it's honestly great.

Yeah.

Because the networking you get and the guest speakers that you get, like, yeah. For businesses that are at that level, it's totally worth it.

Yeah.

I guess that's a way to frame it.

Right.

Because most people certainly for me, thinking paying $250,000 a year in coaching to be access to a level state, like, no value. But it is of no value to me. Like, when you're at that level, that's incredible value.

But also, like, I think people miss the trick of it because, like Masterminds, if you have a business service that is where you want to be. Like, that's your answer.

Okay.

It'd be like if there was, you know, like, if, like, it'd be like if puppy schools were huge and you wanted clients. Just join some puppies.

Yeah, yeah.

Right. Like an online puppy school or whatever where you have access to 500 people that have puppies that want to get trained. Like.

Yeah.

You just pull aside conversations and that's how you get people. Right. So like, that's one of the. What's. One of the ways that I grew Sniper was I just was in Masterminds.

Right, right.

And so that's the reason why I joined Category Kings was specifically to talk to Russell. Like, we wanted to get a bunch of information, and, like, you know, I wanted to get Jeremy on stage, which I think will still happen. Right. But, like, you know, and there were some cool things that we learned out of it, and we got to meet some cool people. But, like, you know, really, it was like, how can I break into this. Get in this little world here? And we got a few clients out of it for seventh. And we got a few clients out of it for, you know, we gotta find out for Sniper and stuff like that. And so, you know, realistically, like, if you're, you know, an agency that's work marketing, or if you're like, a sales agency, or if you're a. Like a placement agency or anything like that, where you provide services, like, yeah, you could spend $300,000 on hats, or you could honestly just spend $300,000 on masterminds, and you would get a far greater return.

Yeah.

You know, and that's how I always looked at it. And, like, a lot of the people that I know that have similar businesses, like, that's how they've done it. And it's just like, you're just in front of the people, you know, those are easy conversations. Like, I was speaking a guy of the day. He does that like, pr. I was like, bro, what are you doing? Nonetheless. Yeah, I was like, where you spend, like, 29amonth? I was like, sweet. Cut that in half. Make it 10. Do it a monster. Make twice a month. Because, like, you have what they want.

Yeah.

You've been put in the room with your own customers.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then all you got to do is, like, post up testimonials. Oh, I managed to get one of my clients in the front of Forbes. Oh, I want to be in front of Forbes.

Yeah.

Okay. Okay. Like, easy. Done. You know, so they're pretty simple conversations. So there's. There's definitely, like, multiple bits of value. And then, like, you can, like, you can pull things from people that are doing things in different industries that people in your industry aren't doing, and, like, test that if they work, which I think is really good. There's very. There's no competition.

So that's what you sell now for clickfunnels is access to those masterminds.

Yeah.

And this is the pitch.

You're a Sales guy couldn't think of a better place to find clients.

And this seems like it's so. Seems like you've had this conversation.

I haven't. I never have. I was the top sales guy last month.

So on that. So sales sniper churning along just is going to sit as doing what it's doing.

Yeah.

And it doesn't. You're not looking for a bunch of new clients. You're not doing any of that?

No, I think like the maximum I would take on the score because like what I want to do is like just have like no infrastructure. Like we'll have like finance person and sales people.

Yeah.

Meantime, seventh level Moonshot.

It's.

Yeah.

It's going like crazy.

It's going well. Like it's interesting. Right. Q4 is a bit of a. Because like there were just like some systematic things that like had compounded which I think we spoke about last time. But I kind of stepped back in. I feel like we've made some good changes and we got our new senior PP of sales in David Duncan who like really knows A when it comes to this stuff. And sort of we're going through, you know, I think that like we sort of didn't realize as well like capacity of B2B but like I closed very, I closed very close to a million last month. Not in cash, it's about 300 in cash. But it was around 950 in contract value. And like it was all mainly self generated. I think your seventh level was like 750 or 740. But the B2B for seven platform is like a huge business that we just.

Didn'T know was there.

Look.

Yeah.

You know, and the guys are closing these little piddly 30k B2B deals. And then I'm like, oh, you guys are doing this for long. Because like they just don't understand how to have that conversation. So like basically in December I was like, okay, I'll figure this out. And so at the moment like what I'm doing is like I'm just figuring out how to B2B and how to structure all the packages. So I'm doing all the sales for it.

Right.

And like there's tons there. I mean like it's just like there. But the B2B for 7 level is like a huge business that we just.

Didn'T know was there.

Just didn't look.

Yeah.

You know, and the guys are closing these little piggly 30k B2B deals. And then I'm like, oh, you guys are doing this all wrong because like they just don't understand there's no need for lead generation for it. There's no need for nothing. Like, there's so much available LinkedIn in the CRM in our current clientele.

And so what is it that you're offering? Like specialized training for salesforces?

Yeah, well the thing is like with businesses like, sales training doesn't work for 90% of businesses like that. They buy for like they gotta have that conversation. So like basically in December I was like, okay, I'll figure this out. And so at the moment, like what I'm doing is like, I'm just figuring out how to do B2B and how to structure all the packages. So I'm doing all the salesforce, right? And like there's tons there. I mean like, it's just like they go out and they buy, you know, XYZ companies access to portals and sales training. There's no need for lead generation for. There's no need for nothing. Like there's so much available LinkedIn fucking do anything like, let on salespeople. So but what they don't know how to do because like none of them are realistically experienced enough in selling for those businesses to be able to figure out how to do it for that business. But like I'm in a unique position where I've done the business for like 75 companies ranging from industrial cleaning companies to banks, right. To fitness in the CRM in our current clientele.

And so what is it that you're offering? Like specialized training for salesforces?

Yeah, well the thing is like with businesses like sales training doesn't work for 90% of businesses like that. They buy for like companies and all kinds of stuff like that. So like, I just have a unique insight and I can speak CEO language. They go out and they buy, you know, XYZ companies access to portals and sales training. Right. And so, you know, a guy has come to me with, a guy came to me with a 40k budget and I pitched him. It's like, yo, well it's 40K. Then I got them to 250 on the call. Like, like salespeople. So but what they don't know how to do because like none of them are realistically experienced enough in selling for those businesses to be able to figure out how to do it for that business. But like, I'm in a unique position where I've done the business for like 75 companies. And then I was like, it, I'll pitch him a million. And then we sell at like 350?

Yeah. Right.

Because I was like, well, I'll do it. Because I knew that we just knock some stuff off and then do it that way. But it was like, I can speak the language. Because the thing is that like businesses are terrified about is like the change management piece.

Yeah.

Because let's say you have 150 sales staff and you bring in ranging from industrial cleaning companies to banks.

Right.

To fitness companies, all kinds of stuff like that. So like I just have a unique insight and I can speak CEO language. Right. And so, you know, a guy's come to me with a, A guy came in with a 40k new way of doing things and you like Grant Cardone for this is hello budget. And I pitched him a hundred dollar and everyone drops by 10%, which is inevitable, even if it's a better way of doing it. But, but it's new. People suck at mistakes. They're trepidatious. Like they don't. You know what I mean? So there's a hesitancy. So immediately sales drop. So then everyone goes, not visible. We're coming to the win.

Yeah.

Now you're stuck with a 17 year contract, right?

Yeah.

Right. So it's like, okay, you know, and so for me, like, right, it's 40K. Then I got them to 250 on the cold. And then I was like, it, I'll pitch him a million. Then we sell like 350.

Yeah.

Right. So I was like, I'll do it. Because I knew that we just knock some stuff off and then do it that way. But it was like, I can speak the language. Because the things that like businesses are terrified about is like, the thing is, you know, and people buy keynotes. Right. I was on the phone to a guy of the day, big franchise over in the U.S. like, big franchise. And they wanted a keynote and.

What do you mean a keynote?

So they wanted Jeremy to come up this week. Okay. And I was like, okay. And then you sort of get around as to why they want that and that's how they do their sales change management piece.

Yeah.

Because let's say you have 150 sales staff and you bring in a new way of doing things and you like Grant Cardone, force your willing. This is how we fucking do it. And everyone drops by 10%, which is inevitable, even if it's a better way of doing it. But it's new. People suck at things and they're trepidatious. Like they don't.

Right.

I was like, you ever, you ever like do a belly flop? In the pool. He was like, huh? I was like, yeah. Ever do belly flop? He's like, yeah. I was like, you know, it's like a big giant splash and things go everywhere you look. Two minutes later and the pool's perfectly still. I was like, that's kind of like. I was like, it's fine and we'll for sure. You know what I mean? So there's a hesitancy. So immediately it says rob. So then everyone goes, not. Doesn't really do it. Yeah, but what do you really want out of this? And from there it was like, basically they want their team.

Yeah.

Now you're stuck with a 17 year contract, right?

Yeah.

So it's like, okay. You know, and so for me, like, we need to be better.

Like, be better. Yeah.

I was like, well, the adaptation, 30 days later, they're going to retain about 15 and then 90 days they return. That's what the data show. The thing is, you know, and people buy keynotes. Right. I was on the phone to a guy in the days. So the keynote could be a great way to kick off.

Yeah.

Make them like, Jeremy be impressed by.

Exactly. Yeah. Big franchise over in the U.S. like, big franchise.

And I'm like, I want to hear more from this guy.

And that's how we generally do it. We do a big video B deal. He flies out just like, he's the best at it.

Right.

And then from there, don't worry, they want Makino and.

What do you mean? Aquina.

So they wanted Jeremy to come out and speak. Okay. And I was like, okay. And then you sort of get around as to why they want that. And that's how they do their sales job. Got you.

Yeah.

And then from there I architect the, like the roll out of it. And then.

Right.

I was like, you ever, you ever like do a belly flop in the pool? Like, I know there's two different ways to make it. Make more sales. It's like there's process and activity and there's skill. The skill takes the full year. The process and activity, we can fix day one. So let me figure out what you really suck at. Fix that. First, get him asking for referrals, doing follow ups and objection. He was like, huh? I was like, yeah. You ever do blaze ball? He's like, yeah. I was like, yeah, it's like a big giant to go. You've. You've gone up 30% uplift. Now you think I'm a genius and now I can splash and things go everywhere you look two minutes later. And the Pool's perfectly sealed. I was like, that's kind of like. I was like, it's fine and we'll for sure do it. Yeah, but what do you really want out of this? And from there it was like, basically they want their team got 12 months to ingratiate these guys into NDPQ slowly but surely. So they don't actually ship the bed. Right. So we all write out like five different versions of the script. It's like this is Q1, Q2, Q3, Q4. And then I have a whole adaptation and uptake and assimilation phase thing. And I have a whole to be better. I was like, well, the adaptation, 30 days later they're going to retain about 15% of it. And then 90 days later they're going 4%. That's what the data shows. So the keynote could be a great way to kick off.

Yes.

Make them like, Jeremy, be impressed by it.

Exactly. Get like secret shopping thing that we do and like a three year, like three year thing. You know what I mean? So yeah, like it, it's, it's, it's built for like the business owner to go, oh, you thought about this.

You mentioned this last week. You do secret shopping. So what, you have people enter the funnel unbeknownst to and then provide reports.

Yeah.

And, and give that client journey all the way through from entering the funnel to purchase and yeah, like reporting. I'm like, I want to hear more from this guy.

And that's how we generally do it. We do a big B2B deal. He flies out. There's like. And he's the best at it.

Right.

And then from there, don't worry, I've got you.

Yeah.

And then from there I architect the like the rollout of it. And then like I know there's two different ways to make more sales. It's like there's process and activity and there's skill on that. Yeah. And do you just get certain objections like, like give a partner, how did they handle it?

Give them money.

How did they handle it? Did they do what we said?

Yeah.

Ask for price at the top.

Yeah.

Hey man, I'm just super busy today. Can you just let me know. This skill takes the full year. The process and activity we can fix day one. So let me figure out what you, the guy followed straight away. It's like, right, so just note it down.

Yeah.

Okay, cool. Then provide the report to the management and then have like a monthly management meeting where we go over stuff.

Yeah.

Really suck at fix that. First get them asking for referrals. Doing the follow ups, handling objections and then we're good to go. You've. You've gone a 30% uplift. Now you think I'm genius and now I've got 12 months to ingratiate these guys into NDP slave surely. So they don't actually. We talk about the secret choppers, we talk about what's going on, make small adjustments, you know, so over the course of the year like they'll, they'll do really well. But if I just. Right. So we all write out like five different versions of their script. It's like this says kids give them portals. Like.

Yeah, yeah.

Well there's no telling whether people even watch it. That's right.

Q2, Q3, Q4, you know and then like I have like a whole.

One of the things with. I've always thought like even with my own stuff and people say I want a qualification or like can you give me some sort of certification? I'm like hey man, I don't even know whether you watch the content.

Yeah.

Adaptation and uptake and like a simulation phase thing. And I have a whole like secret shopping thing that we do and like.

A three like and, and all the sort of online quizzes they're good for sort of checking that you, you are following along. But I'm not putting my name to anything from the quiz that goes to that because you could hit play and walk away and like.

Yeah.

And if you're going to do a quiz proper year, like three year thing. You know what I mean? So it's like all right, cool. Well then like you can fail.

Yeah, exactly.

Like it's, it's built for like the business owner. Oh, you thought about this.

You mentioned this last week. You do secret shopping. So what you have people enter the funnel and yeah. If you want to pass, you also have to have the risk of a fail.

Exactly.

So it's like are you beknowns to.

And then provide reports?

Yeah, and, and give that client cool.

With that because it's 297 for a reset. You know what I mean? Like are you cool with this? Yeah, you know, certificate of buying. I can give you that.

Yeah, yeah.

I can make a pretty receipt all.

The way through from entering the funnel to purchase and yeah. Like report of attendance.

Blue ribbon.

Yeah.

Like you know, we've had the same thing, you know, so it's like you know, we'd like on that. Yeah. And do you just get certain objections like give a partner, how did they handle it? Give money, how did they handle it? Did they do what we said. Yeah, Oscar prices the top. Hey, man, I'm just super busy today. Can you just let me know this the platform that we have at the moment, like, you can check all that. And the way that we do it, like this works is the guy follows straight away. It's like. Right, so just note it down. Yeah, Manager log in.

But when you know, same deal, you're checking the video.

Cool. And then provide the report to the manager. And then like a monthly manager fee. We go over stuff.

Yeah, play. That doesn't mean you weren't sitting there scrolling your phone or that you were somewhere else letting it play.

Yeah, we're not putting like, you know, the cursor or the eye trackers and stuff like that in there like this, you know, so, yeah, like it's, it's, it's sort of interesting. But that'd be. We talk about the secret choppers. We talk about what's going on. The data makes small adjustments, you know, so over the course of the year, like, they'll, they'll do really well. But if I just do stuff, it's really cool. So I actually had my own center now and I told her how to like hunt the series, give them portals, like.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, there's no telling whether people even watch it. That's.

We still get a daily inquiry for sales cyber.

Yeah, right, right.

So she was reaching out, booking them in, speaking to the reps and like, I was just like, guys, if you get B2B deals, like, send them to me, I'll give you some comms, it's fine. But like, stop selling these stupid 30k for the year. 10 portals, like, just sell them 500 circles or five, you know, sell them a discounted rate for 10.3.0. They'll get a far better result.

One of the things with. I've always thought, yeah, like, even with my own stuff and people say I want a qualification or like, can you give me some sort of certification? I'm like, hey, man, I don't even know whether you watch the content. Yeah, like, and, and all the sort of online quizzes, they're good for sort of checking that you, if you do.

If you just do that, like, hey, spend 50 instead of 30. Your guys, like actually get a result during that. It's like, oh, yeah, okay.

Yeah.

And then we're doing what we do best, which is like actually coaching people, you know, so. But if you have a big business, like, you know, well, like sort of what I tell them is like, I'll do things the way that I think it needs to be done. If you can't afford it, you are following along.

But I'm not putting my name to anything from the quiz that goes to that. Because you could hit play and walk away and like.

Yeah.

And if you're going to do a quiz properly, like, then it's like, all right, cool. Well, then, like, you can fail.

Yeah, exactly.

If you're. If you're too cheap, like, if you want to get a $5 million and you're not going to spend 400 grand. Yeah, like, I don't have any time for that.

I think that that's a luxury of, like, you're not compromising on your own standards that you can now.

Yeah.

If you want to pass, you also have to have the risk of a fail.

Exactly. So it's like, are you cool with that? Because it's 297 for receipt. You know what I mean? Like, are you cool with this?

Yeah.

You know, certificate of buying. I can give you that.

Yeah.

Receipt.

Yeah.

I can make a pretty receipt of attendance blue ribbon.

Yeah.

But it's. But it's also like, like, I told Cliff Funnels the same thing because they wanted us to train their guys. I was like, this. The. Like, train them to do what? Yeah, like, you know, we've had the same thing, you know, so it's like, you know, with, like, with. I was like, trained guys that have been doing sales here for 10 years how to do sales better. I was like, it's not going to work.

Yeah.

They're just hating the platform that we have at the moment. Like, you can check all that. And the way that we do it, like, there's a managerial portal to log in, but, like, you know, same deal.

You're checking the video.

Yeah.

You know, you're the latest conqueror.

Yeah.

And they all quit.

But played. That doesn't mean you weren't sitting there scrolling your phone or that you were some.

Yeah, right. How'd that go?

That was. I mean, I didn't care.

Or else letting it play.

Yeah. We're not putting like, you know, the cursor or the eye trackers. I mean, like, the reason why they quit is because, like, we put in a lot of transparency.

Right.

And like, I don't get upset. The mo. Stuff like that in there like this, you know, so. Yeah, like, it's. It's sort of interesting. But that'd be. The, like, gaslighting system gets upset and I just have a lot of authority in sales. Like, b stuff is really cool. So I actually have my own center now. And I told her how to, like, hunt the CRM. We still get a daily inquiry for sales cyber.

Yeah, right, right.

So she was reaching out. I can walk the walk and talk to talk. So, like, I know what I'm talking about. And I'm just like, whatever. So, you know, they're nice guys. I wish them all the best.

But yeah.

But whatever. People, like, people create them. And speaking of the reps and like, I was just like, guys, if you get B2B deals, like, send them to me. I'll give you some comms, it's fine. But, like, stop selling these stupid 30k for the year 10 portals. Like, just sell them five in a circles. This narrative that makes their world make sense. Yeah, and that's, that's cool. Like, you know, they're really good dudes. Or five, you know, sell them a discounted rate for 10.3.0, they'll get a far better result.

I think if there's one thing I know about you, it's that what people have, what people think and feel about you, it's not of concern to you though.

No, no.

Like, whereas I get, like, if you.

Do, if you just do that, like, hey, spend 50 instead of 30, your guys will actually get a result.

Oh, no, not everybody likes me. You're like, oh, people like me. Oh, people hate.

My God.

It's the same.

I think the thing is, though, like, when you fire people like, you, you real. I realized it, like, when, when I started, like, having to fire people, like, because I had like three or four talks of them. And then you fire them and like, they are shitting the bed, admitting they're shitting the bed. It doing a terrible job, barely trying everybody else around admitting it. And then all of a sudden, I'm the bad guy. Yeah, it's like, well, man, like, all right, like, if that's what makes you happy, make me the bad guy. It's fine. Like, I'm cool. Doesn't matter. So, like, you start seeing, it's like, yeah, and then we're doing what we do best, which is like actually coaching people, you know, so. But if you have a big business, like, you know, well, like, sort of what I tell them is like, I'll do things the way that I think it needs to be done. If you can't afford it, then you go like, oh, it's not reality. It's just like, what they choose to feel. If you're, if you're too cheap, like, if you want to get a $5 million it makes them feel good. And if that's the case, then, like, make me better.

A few months ago, I went deep down the rabbit hole on like, perception versus reality.

Yeah.

And the narrative, like, like most of what you say is like, everybody, not you.

Like, most of the total.

And when you really think about what.

You'Re not going to spend 400 grand.

Yeah.

Like, I don't have any time.

I think that that's a luxury of, like, you're not compromising on your own standards that you can now, I think. Did that happen that way? Like, when you really try and tear it apart?

Yeah.

This is very hard. I've stopped almost completely talking about anything from army. So, like, I've been fought.

Right.

But it's. But it's also like, like I told cliffhangers the same thing because they wanted.

Us to start eight years now.

Right.

I'm pretty sure. I think things that you've told me.

Yeah, I did this.

I can't. There's a couple of stories I could not hand on heart said I did or didn't do it.

Yeah, exactly. And so I think layer the fact that you're on doxy the whole time.

You'Re training the guys. I was like, this, the like trainer. To do what?

Deployed so they could kill or you should be or for a period. You are.

So you. I was like, train guys that have been doing sales here for 10 years had to do them sales better. I was like, it's not going to work.

Yeah.

They're just hating.

Yeah.

You know, you're the latest conqueror.

Yeah.

And they all quit.

You've killed all your gut. You've killed all your gut microbiome.

Right.

So which feeds your brain.

Yeah.

So you're in a weird state and you're taking. So that same medication is giving you lucid dreams, right?

Oh, yeah.

So, yeah. So dreams that are very.

Yeah. Right. How'd that go?

That was. I mean, I didn't care. I mean, like, the reason why they quit is because, like, people in a large.

Right.

Very difficult even when you wake up immediately after to distinguish whether it was a dream or reality.

Right.

Like, I don't get upset. So if the MO is like gaslight this gets upset, then I just have a lot of authority in sales.

Like, did you ever get any of those on doxy lucid dreams?

Yeah, Yeah. I did big time in Timor.

Took a dude. I, I. Within the first week it overseas we got mortared and I was having a dream that I was sure.

Yeah.

No.

Well, this is the thing I Was having a dream at the time that I was at Disneyland and watching DVDs. It was so I can walk the.

Walk and talk to talk. So, like, I know what I'm talking about and I'm just like, whatever. So, you know, they're nice guys. I wish them all the best, but.

Yeah.

But whatever. People, like, people create real.

And then I'm like woken up by an explosion. Man, I could not put together how.

The narrative that makes their world make sense. Yeah, and that's. That's cool. Like, you know, they're really good dudes.

I teleported from Disneyland and it took me longer than I cared to admit to sort of like come to action because I wasn't there. But so between the false memories you created at the time versus it so long ago and the way that memory works, I think if there's one thing I know about you, it's that every time you tell a story, it gets different. And then you like, we might have a shared experience. People have what people think and feel about you. It's not of concern to you though.

No, no.

Whereas I get, like, when you give your version of it, it's slightly different to my version. Then your version becomes my version. Now, even if you were telling 100% your truth, your perception at the time was different to mine. And so. Oh, no, not everybody likes me. I don't know what's real anymore, so I barely talk. Like, when people ask me, you're like, oh, people like me? Oh, people hate.

My God.

It's the same. Anything specifics about stuff. I'm like, hey, take this with a grain of like, this is how I remember it.

Yeah. I think the thing is though, like, when you fire people like you, you real. I realized it like when. When I started, like having to fire people, like, because I had like three or four talks of them. Then you fire them.

This might be totally.

Yeah. And then people try and like, if you say something to call you out your life, it's like, man, I got no idea what the happened. Like, half the things you just sort of forget.

Yeah.

And then someone tells us and like, they are the bed admitting. They're in the bed doing a terrible job, barely trying. Right. You're like, oh, yeah, you were there. I was like, oh, yeah.

Yeah.

But now I remember that as how you said it.

Yeah, exactly.

And I'm remembering my everybody else around admitting it. And then all of a sudden, I'm the bad guy.

Yeah.

It's like bits that I can remember, but I'm now Seeing it from how you did it.

Yeah.

So now I am like, all right. Like, if that's what makes you happy, make me the bad guy. It's fine. Like, I'm cool. It doesn't matter. So, like, you start seeing you.

Yeah.

So.

Yeah.

And if I've been in a similar circumstance, I'm gonna amalgamate all of the pictures to that. And you go, like, it's not reality. It's just like, what they choose to feel and make a movie out of it. But it could be totally different thing. Totally.

So it gets a bit scary because then people go.

Because it makes them feel good. And if that's the case, then like.

A few months ago, they're like, oh, that's not what happened. You're full of. You're like, okay. Like, I don't care. Yeah, but I don't like. But also I don't care.

Whatever.

Short of it being someone who was with me and going, hey, man, that's.

Not how I remember.

I might be like, oh, okay. Like, how do you specifically deep down the rabbit hole on, like, perception versus reality and the narrative? Like. Like most of what you say is like, everybody.

Not you. Like, most of the total.

And when you really think about. But when I was like, hey, that's not how you told the story last time. Oh, I don't give a mate. Did that happen that way? Like, when you really try and tear it apart, this is very hard.

Just I don't know what's going on.

I have a significant. I've stopped almost completely talking about anything from army. So, like, I've been in and out of head trauma.

Yeah.

Although the stories might not be accurate. The same way I talk about the way I get those head traumas. They happen.

Right.

So eight years now.

Right. I'm pretty sure. I think things that you've told me.

Definitely gonna knock the out if I leave out of detail or add a detail. You can't.

There's a couple of stories I could not hand on hearts in.

Yeah.

Like that's life.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's. It's so It's a weird healings.

That's where we're going on this.

I did or didn't do it.

Yeah, exactly. And so I think layer the fact that you're on doxy the whole time you're deployed. So they could kill or you should be or for a period you are. So you turned this into the aliens podcast.

What do you think? Where.

Where are we at?

Oh, I mean, I think they've been here For a long time. Maybe we're the aliens. So have you seen that?

No.

So one of the theories floating around.

You'Ve killed all your gut. You've killed all your gut microbiome.

Right.

So which feeds your brain.

Yeah. So you're in a weird state and you're taking so that same medicine like.

So I think is it xenon, which is a thing which is patient is.

Giving you lucid dreams, right?

Oh yeah, yeah.

So dreams that are very element that.

We only found when we started doing nukes.

Okay.

Is very heavily present on Mars. Okay.

Very difficult even when you wake up immediately after to distinguish whether it was a dream or reality.

Right, right.

So we nuke the whole place.

Well, they think that like that we are the aliens, that we came from Mars. Right. And then like, you know, sort of.

Did you ever get any of those.

On doxy lucid dreams? Yeah, yeah, I did big time in Timor because we got super advanced over Mars and then nuked the out of Mars and we were like the super.

Tip of dude, I, I within the first week.

Yeah.

I mean that's obviously all these theories are crazy.

Please. We got mortared and I was having a dream that I was. Yeah, no, well, this is the thing. I was having a dream at the time that I was at Disneyland and watching DVDs.

It was so like not crazy, but like there's no way to prove or disprove at the moment. But I think like 2024 is the year of the alien.

Yeah.

And I think this is the year that we all have to come that we're either living simultaneously in the same space as four dimensional real and then.

I'm like woken up by an explosion. Man. I could not put together how I teleported from Disneyland through the war zone. And it took me longer than I cared to admit.

And they can pop in and out. That's what aliens are. Yeah, that's what I think.

Yeah.

And they don't give a sort of.

Like come to action because I wasn't there. But so between the, the false memories you created at the time versus it so long ago and the way that.

Memory works about us, they just want to make sure we don't nuke them. Because the nuking can tear.

Yeah.

Space and fabric. So they're just going to stop us from nuking the world like we might have done on Mars. Right, right. And they're going to be like time the out people.

So every time you tell a story it gets different and then you like we might have a shared Experience. When you give your version of it, it's slightly different to my version. Then your version becomes my version. Now, even if you were telling 100 your truth, your perception at the time was different to mine. And so hard pivot from sales sniper at seventh level.

Yeah.

But probably more interesting, I have a.

Pretty prepped out fucking spare vehicle.

Yeah.

I don't know what's real anymore. So I barely talk. Like, when people ask me hope, I go in the first wave. Like, as I was discussing this with my wife last night, like, everybody else think that 2024 is the year of the end. And what I don't want to do is survive anything specifics about stuff. I'm like, hey, take this with a grain of like, this is how I remember it. But this might be totally bullshit.

Yeah. And then people try and like, if you say something to call you out your life, it's like, mate, I got no idea what this happened. Like, half the things you just sort of forget. And then someone tells us for six.

Weeks in a shitty situation, I want. I want out. First time.

I don't think it's the end. I think this is the year that we. We. We learned some.

Yeah.

That things aren't quite as what they were. And you're like, oh, yeah, you were there. I was like, oh, yeah.

Yeah.

But now I see. Yeah, but like, it's always been that way.

Yeah.

And it's just like, oh, yeah. And then all of a sudden we're just going to see people appear. Because the appearance. I remember. That is how you said it.

Yeah, exactly.

And I'm remembering my bits that I can remember, but I'm now seeing it from how you did it.

Yeah.

So now I am you.

Yeah.

So, yeah, it gets.

And if I've been in a similar circumstance, I'm gonna amalgamate all of the pictures to bring is the interesting part.

But I don't think it. I don't think it's gonna work because I don't think there'll be the answer that we want. Because I think that. I think that you're. I agree with you entirely that we.

Shared this space and make a movie out of it.

Yeah.

But it could be totally different thing. Totally.

So it gets a bit scary. Cause then people go with something else. And like, for example, I was watching with the kids the other day, I was watching a show on Netflix about, like, the history of Earth in general.

Right.

So, like, I go like, oh, that's not what happened. You're full of shit. And you're like, okay, Like, I don't care. Yeah, but I don't like, but also I don't care.

Whatever.

Short of it being someone who was with me and going, hey, man, that's not how I remember. I might be like, oh, okay. Like, how do you specific. Cuttlefish, for example, has existed in its current form for more than 440 million years.

Right.

It's been the same thing for 440 million years. And but when I was like, hey, that's not how you told the story last time. Oh, I don't give a fuck, mate.

Yeah.

Even prior to life getting out of the water, there were two mass extinction events where 85% of things alive died. So to think that something just made.

I'm 40, I don't know what's going on.

I have a significant amount of head trauma.

Yeah.

Although the stories might not be accurate. The same way I talk about the way I get those head traumas, they happen.

Yeah, right.

So something existed 440 million years ago that survived and has evolved beyond something we can possibly perceive. Like, that makes total sense to me. If I leave out of detail or add a detail, you. Totally plausible, considering ours.

There's a dinosaur that's still it. You know that.

Which one?

There's a little teeny tiny one that.

Was around the same time as it does.

No, it is a fully blown dinosaur.

Yeah, like, that's life.

Yeah, exactly. It's. It's. So it's a weird aliens.

That's where we're going on this. We can turn this into the aliens podcast.

What do you think?

Where are we at?

Oh, I mean, I think they've been here for a long time. Maybe we're the dinosaur.

Yeah, right.

Like, and like they've evolved sort of into something else now. Like, sort of like, like a chickeny like thing.

Yeah.

But it is a dinosaur and they made the adaptation of being able to eat seeds.

So have you seen that at Mars? No.

So one of the theories floating around, it's.

Yeah, right.

And so when there was the mass extinction event, they flourished because there were seeds everywhere. And so like, I can't. I'll find you the name. But it was like, yeah, I was watching this thing the other day and it was that, like, so I think is it xenon, which is a thing which is like all these extinct dinosaurs and it's like that one didn't have an extinct next to it and someone sort of extracted. Extrapolate and explain. Dozen of the fuckers are still around.

Yeah, right.

Like, yeah, well, so I, I totally buy it.

And, and element that we only found when we started doing nukes.

Okay.

Is very heavily present on Mars.

Okay. Right.

And so we nuke the whole place.

Well, they think that like that we are the aliens, that we came from Mars. Right. And then like, you know, sort of.

So I think that something that has been around way longer than us has evolved into in a. On a totally different branch plan to something we can't even understand. And so.

But the for d. Because we got super advanced over Mars and then nuked the out of Mars and we were like the supernatural stuff makes sense because like if you look at what a. A ball would look like in two dimensions, it would just be a circle that gets bigger than this. That's it. Right.

Yeah.

And so we can't perceive the. For which that came down. Whatever. Which checks out.

Yeah.

I mean that's obviously all these theories are crazy. Like, not crazy, but like there's no way to prove or disprove at the moment. But I think like 2024 is the year of the alien.

Yeah.

And I think this is the year that we all have to come. Fourth dimension. No, we can, but we're.

But we're stuck moving at the speed of light. And so we're moving through it at a constant rate. And maybe something can move through it as easily as you and I move through space. It can move through time. And also like when you think of time, how smaller segments do you think time can be broken into?

Well, I don't, I don't know if. Is time the fourth dimension or are they talking about like there's like the.

Yeah, well, this is what the thing. So they don't know.

Right.

We're two to talk about.

Well, I know is that I saw a video of a couple aliens appear out of nowhere that were either living simultaneously in the same space as four dimensional beings and they can pop in and out. That's what aliens are. Yeah, that's what I think.

Yeah.

And they don't give a about us. They just want to make sure we don't nuke them. Because the nuking can tear space and fabric. So they're just going to stop us from nuking the fucking world like we might have done on Mars.

But the Miami one I don't believe. But I think in general, I think.

That was an Epstein island. Yeah.

Look over here.

Don't look over there.

Yeah, well, that's the other thing. If you really want to go full conspiracy theorists, maybe the whole alien things, we're gonna go into fake space war with something on the dark side of us.

Right, right, right. And they're gonna be like, time the out people. So the moon, I mean, can never prove isn't there. Space Force is the thing.

Well.

But the Space Force, that's one of the funniest things when people. Especially when old Trumpy was like, we're starting Space Force. People like, you're an idiot.

Go.

Actually some of the most important critical infrastructure. Hard pivot from sales number at seventh level.

Yeah.

But probably more interesting.

I have a pretty prepped out spare vehicle.

Yeah.

I hope I go in the first wave. Like, as I was discussing this with my wife last night, like, everybody is floating around in space, no one protecting it.

Yeah.

So. Yeah. So it kind of makes sense to me that you establish a group that protects that else. Think that 2024 is the year of the end. And what I don't want to do is survive. Shit and interests. Yeah. Not from aliens, but from other people.

You want to go even deeper. Why is the South Pole the only place that everyone agrees then? It makes no fucking sense. The whole world makes no sense. But it's really interesting. I think, like, for me, the whole veil of, like, believing anything that we're told came crashing down 100. Because, like, that was after six weeks.

In a shitty situation.

Yeah.

I want. I want out.

Yeah. I don't think it's the end. I think this is the year that we. We learned some.

Yeah.

Well, things aren't quite as what they seem.

Yeah.

But like, it's always been that way.

Yeah.

And it's just like. Oh, yeah. And then all of a sudden we're just gonna see people appear. Because the appearance. It all comes out now.

Oh.

None of that was really.

And we knew all along. It was all.

Yeah. It's like, oh, sorry, we just kind of. Your app. We made a couple hundred billion.

Yeah.

Pretty happy with that. We're just like, Jesus Christ, guys. Like, we crucified people.

Yeah.

For not taking a jab, which they probably shouldn't have taken. Like, you crazy. Like, what's happening here? So it's the interesting part, but I don't think it.

I don't think it's going to work because I don't think there'll be the answer that we want. Because I think that. I think that you're. I agree with you entirely that we shared this space.

That'll happen. Then everyone's like, oh, that doesn't exist. And then like, Alex Jones is like, they're pedophile. They're like, ah, shut up, Alex. You know, talking about like, oh, there's pedophile.

Yeah.

It's like, oh, yeah, well, that's unfortunate. Turns out Jason Momoa went there. That's fucking even more with something else.

And like, for example, I was watching with the kids the other day, I was watching a show on Netflix about, like, the history of Earth in general.

Right.

So, like, you have to be careful to like, plenty of people, I think probably went to Epstein Island. Cuttlefish, for example, has existed in its current form for more than 440. And he goes, hey, wanna this thing? They go, no. Yeah, like this. Just because they went there doesn't mean that they were. They did the thing.

Yeah.

If they went back plenty of times, then I'd say that's probably fair at that point.

But one of the interesting things is like, Andre 3000.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, so that's the same thing. I heard that they were like, hey, a million years, Right. It's been the same thing for 440 million years. And even prior to life getting out of the water, there were two mass extinction events. Would it be like, part of one of us?

Yeah.

And you're like, nah. They're like, okay. But, well, that's where 85% of things alive died. So to think that something existed 440 million years ago that survived and has evolved. Destroy you. You'll disappear. And he's like, au revoir.

Yeah, I got money, Whatever.

Yeah, I got enough.

Yeah.

I reckon that whole world is. They kind of make you. They kind of make you initiate. You know what I mean? Because, like, if you have a look at, like, you know what Mark Wahlberg.

Evolved beyond something we can possibly perceive. Like, that makes total sense to me. That's totally plausible considering our.

There's a dinosaur that's still up. You know that.

Which one?

There's that guy Cavill, you know.

Oh, yeah.

Like, they're full righteous against, like, the sex trafficking.

Yeah.

Speaking up very hard against.

Yeah.

And that had some pretty heavy impacts on their career.

Yeah. And also, like, the fact that that movie wasn't spoken freedom or whatever. It was sound freedom just got like, they ghosted that fucking movie.

Yeah.

And it's a true story. There's a little teeny tiny one that.

Was around same time as a dinosaur.

It is a fully blown dinosaur.

Yeah.

Right. Like, and like, they've evolved sort of into something else now. Not like sort of like a chickeny like thing.

Yeah.

But it is a dinosaur.

Yeah.

And they made the adaptation of being able to eat seeds.

Yeah. Right.

And so when there was the mass extinction event, they flourished because there are seeds everywhere.

Yeah.

I haven't seen it. That dude took down a pedophile by himself.

Yeah.

Have you seen it?

No. You can't see it.

Yeah.

You can't see it. Like. Like, it was just bizarro. Like, I mean, huge production team, lots of big stars, and it was like every single place just refused to pick it up. And you're like, what is happening?

Yeah, it feels like stopping people.

And so, like, I can't. I'll find your name. But it was like. Yeah, I was watching this thing the other day and it was like all these extinct dinosaurs. It's like that one didn't have an extinct next to it. And someone sort of extrapolated.

Kids are something that we could all probably get behind.

You know what I mean?

Like, I feel like that's when someone's like, I don't want. I don't. I don't support stopping child sex trafficking.

Like, hang on a second.

I. I feel like that's something we can all agree on. I. I don't care about your politics beyond stopping that.

I think that's pret.

Yeah, Like, I think that's one we can agree on.

I agree. It's a strange thing. Doesn't rank.

Yeah, right.

Like, yeah, well, so I. I totally buy it. And. And so I think that something that has been around way longer than us has evolved in a. On a totally different branch plan to something we can't even understand.

And so, yeah, you know, the world is weird, I think. You know, but I think hopefully aliens bring us back.

I. I think to wrap up. I think that we can't understand them. And every time that I talk to anyone about, like, I think that they're a different thing. And people say, why haven't they special stuff?

Makes sense. Because, like, if you look at what a. A ball would look like in two dimensions, it would just be a circle that gets bigger.

Yeah, that's it.

Right?

Yeah.

And so we can't perceive the spoken to us.

And like, do you feel.

Yeah.

Do you feel compelled to explain yourself?

Fourth dimension? No.

We can, but we're. But we're stuck moving at the speed of light. And so with the ants, it'd be a similar thing. They're just like, problem. But then you're right. The nuclear thing, they're like, oh, these guys might rip open a black hole that we also will get sucked into.

Yeah. Like, actually, it's like, you know, like, we watch Orangutans in the wild. And we go, oh, they're moving through.

It at a constant rate. And maybe something can move through it as easily as you and I move through space. It can move through time. And also, like, that's cool.

And there's a couple people looking after him, like, as they're obviously is.

Yeah. Right.

When you think of time, how smaller segments do you think time can be broken into?

Well, I don't. I don't know if. Is time the fourth dimension or are they talking about, like, there's like.

Yeah, well, this is what the thing.

So they don't know over here. Like, we have some sort of agreement going on with, like, all the locking Martin contracts, all that kind of. Right. But if they picked up a wrench and started making a car.

Yeah.

You'd be very interested.

Yeah.

You'd be like, what the going on over there? Like, everyone would be like, huh, we got to watch out for these monkeys.

Yeah.

You know, because, like, what's next? Like, they're.

We're two dickheads to talk about.

Well, I know is that I saw a video of a couple of aliens appear out of nowhere, but.

Yeah.

Well, the Miami one, I don't believe. But I think in general, I think.

That was a Epstein island look over here.

Don't look over there.

Well, that's the other thing. If you really want to go full conspiracy theorist, maybe the whole alien things. We're going to go in a fake space war with something on the dark.

Side evolving into the next thing. And if we're evolving as a civil. Because maybe evolution isn't physical, maybe it's like, just technological. Who knows? But anyway, I'm doing the search for Click Funnel.

All right. It's podcast in two parts. We're trying to make the time each week to do it. We can either talk about business and stuff that you do, or we. The moon that can never prove isn't there.

Space force is the thing.

Well, but space Force, that's one of the funniest things when people. Especially when old Trumpy was like, we're gonna start Space Force. People like, you're an idiot.

Go.

Actually, some of the most important critical infrastructure is floating around in space.

Yeah.

No one protecting it.

Yeah.

So you can talk nonsense. You let us know in the comments. We'll do whatever we're told. We just do whatever we're told.

Goodbye. Put that coffee down.