012: Cured By Nature- How Tara Mackey Overcame Depression + Anxiety And Became a Best-Selling Author

Namaste and welcome to the Highest Self podcast, a place where we discuss what makes you feel like the highest version of yourself. I'm your host, Sahara Rose, the author of the Idiot's Guide to Ayurveda and an author all around advocate of people stepping up into their greatness. And today I am really excited to share with you an interview I just did with one of my dear friends and a true inspiration to us all, Tara Mackey. Tara Mackey is the number one best selling author of Cured by Nature, which is an incredible memoir about her journey struggling with a mother who was addicted to heroin and nearly died of fatal drug overdoses several times in her childhood, to being diagnosed with multiple mental illnesses, doctors prescribing her dozens of medications, even an attempted suicide. And she overcame all of this and right now, just finished writing her third book, she lives a life truly in pursuit of her passions. She not only got all of the prescription pain, the prescription medication for pain, for anxiety, for depression, for bipolarism, for everything in between, but she actually teaches us all how we can heal our bodies with nature. She is a true advocate of meditation, of spending time outside of healing your body with food and with herbs. And I am so excited to share this interview today. She truly inspired me. I even learned things today in this interview that I never knew about her before. And I really see this as a wake up call for everyone to really live their life in pursuit of whatever it is that makes their soul sing. Truly, she's actually a singer. But what I really took away from this interview is that you can start off with nothing, with a mother who even before she was born, her mother was addicted to drugs. And today she is an author, she's a philanthropist, she's a healer, and she came to Los angeles with just $300 in her pocket. And she'll share more about that in this interview. So I'm so excited to have her with us today. And if you want to take this discussion further, I invite you to join us afterwards in the Mind Body Balancers Facebook group. I will post the link in the show notes. So let's hop right into the interview. Bye, guys.

I am super excited for this interview. I have my dear friend Tara Mackey here. She is such an inspiration to me. I met her through one of her mutual friends, Kieran from Woven Threads. And the moment she told me about Tara, I was like, oh my God, I need this girl in my life. She is an author, she is a singer. She creates amazing content about natural beauty. She's all about sustainability. You might have seen her blog before, the Organic Life blog. And she's here with us today to speak with us about her book, Cured by Nature, how she has become her highest self, overcoming trauma and really being an inspiration to all of us and what she's up to now. So welcome, Tara.

Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to have this conversation with you today.

Oh, so excited. So the first question that I love to ask is, what made you feel like your highest self?

I love this question so much. When I'm creating something or sharing something that I've created for the highest good, that's when I feel like my true self really shines. So for me, I used to actually feel really guilty creating things because I felt like I was taking myself away from quote, unquote, real work or whatever, my 9 to 5 job or my college, you know, thing I needed to do at the time was. Was calling. But right now, it's just. It really is what satisfies me and nourishes me and the fact that what I do is. Is for a higher purpose. That's really when I feel like my true self is at her best.

Absolutely. And you've definitely been busy creating and I think, like, my favorite work of yours, and I think everyone so far is your book and just how potent it is. I was just rereading it, like, the other day when you accepted my invitation, and just, like, how you were able to, like, recall such, like, traumatic memories in your life and still be able to see, like, the silver lining of it. So can you tell us a little bit about your book and what it means to be cured by nature?

Sure, yeah. For me, I feel like although a lot of traumatic things did happen to me, literally starting from before I was even born, my mom doing drugs while she was pregnant with me and things like that, um, until now, I really feel like without seeing the silver lining in situations like that, they don't serve a purpose. Like they, you know, clearly they. They shape you into who you are and they serve a purpose for your personality and who you become. But until you turn that into something good, it's still something bad or something traumatic or whatever you want to call it. So the subtitle of the book is how to heal from the inside out, Find happiness and discover your true self. And I think that is really what being cured by nature is. I think a lot of it is in the subtitle is just for me, figuring out the first part, how to heal from the inside out was one of the biggest steps, and continues to be, like, basically my life's work at this point. Because so many people are told that it's not possible, or they don't know what it means, or they don't feel like they have control. And we grew up with these limited beliefs that end up controlling us. I break them down in the book, in the first chapter, actually. Just how many things held me back in my life and allowed me to continue living this traumatic story instead of turning it into something good. So I think, you know, being cured by nature is all about healing from the inside out, finding our own happiness and finding out who our true selves are.

Absolutely. And I think it's super inspirational for everyone listening that you also did not grow up in this, like, spiritual community where everyone, like, drinking green juice and, like, going to yoga on the weekends.

Like, far from it, far from it, far from it. We didn't even go on vacation. I mean, my mom raised me as a single parent. She was addicted to drugs when I was born and then also became addicted to heroin, alcohol, cigarettes, you know, had a lot of vices by the time I was very young. So my grandparents got custody of me when I was 7, and they didn't particularly have any means to be raising another child. You know, it's. So I've done everything on my own. I grew up very Catholic, but very spiritual. And I never thought about healing myself or that that was possible, or that, you know, you're taught that God controls things or that, you know, a scientist controls things or a priest controls things, or a doctor controls your health. And a doctor doesn't control your health. You control your health. The book, I definitely take the time out to make that very clear, that I went through a very, very long period in giving up my power to everything I possibly could to other people, to circumstances, to drugs, to doctors, to everything. And it really wasn't until I learned about healing from the inside that anything ever started to change.

And what was that like for you when you. When you learned that you could heal yourself? Was it a book that inspired you? Like, was it just kind of this aha moment, like this conversation with God? Like, what was that like?

It was a little bit of everything. It was my suicide attempt, actually, is what that was like. The moment where I was, fuck, I feel nothing. Like, this is supposed to help me. This is supposed to do something. This is supposed to make me feel a certain way. And, like, I. I don't. I don't feel any different at all. And that was really my moment. Of clarity, of, like, okay, I don't want my life to be over. I want my life to be the best it can possibly be. And, like, killing myself is not the way to do that. But when. I mean, I was on 14 different drugs at that time. So I can see how when you're swimming in medication and nothing's working and everyone else around you is just watching you get worse and worse, how it can seem like, damn, what is supposed to make me feel better? So when it occurred to me that I had to do the work, and then when I really started doing the work, like, there's three steps, really. It's the aha moment. It's doing the work, and then it's continuing to do it so that you actually see results. When I got to that point where I started to see results, I was, like, blown away. I mean, I was blown away. I'm still blown away. That's why I'm so passionate about it. The fact that I can still learn about things that can still help me and propel my life forward. I don't know everything. I don't purport to know everything, but I've definitely taken huge steps forward. Being on a drug like fentanyl, class a narcotic, 50 to 100 times more powerful than morphine. Going from that to taking a few drops of skullcap as a tincture in my tea every day, which I can buy at whole foods for $11 and has absolutely no side effects at all, is, like, mind blowing to me. And that's why I'm so passionate about educating people about this. Because we're not given these as choices by our doctors and even by our naturopaths, and there's really no school of education on all of these things. That's why what you do is so powerful, because people need to know that there are alternatives to things that really can be very harmful.

Absolutely. And I think the fact that you. You put that out there is super bold and brave because a lot of people are afraid of kind of criticizing the medical industry. And we're just so used to, you know, like, we hold doctors at this pedestal, and yes, they've gone through a lot of schooling, but do they really know about herbs and all of these things? Not really. They're not taught that. So I think it's really powerful of you to be able to say, like, yes, I was on your drugs and they didn't work for me.

I was on them for 11 years, too. Like, I get that some people take them for a few weeks Or a few years. Like I was on them long enough to know that they don't work. And that's just say they don't work for me. I don't try to tell other people what to do or what not to do. But I also want people to know that if you're given an option, one of them has side effects and the side effects are death and the other one doesn't have side effects. And you know, studies have shown that they both do the same thing and one actually works better. It's P.S. the natural one they derived the drug from. Like, which one you know, are you gonna take? If somebody had had given me those two choices when I first went on drugs when I was 13 years old, I think I know which one I would have chosen. But nobody gave me those options. So that's why I think it's, you know, I'm not saying all drugs are bad or, but doctors are human. Like they're not, you know, they're not divine, they're not God, they're not spiritual beings. Even most of them, you know, a lot of them are atheists and you know, don't want to believe in internal healing and mind body connection, things like that. And I was in the medical field, I studied pre med, I was a biologist. Like I worked at Cornell Medical College. I've done my rounds, I've met a lot of doctors, I'm still friends with a lot of doctors and I really respect what they do. I respect the 10 to 15 years of schooling it takes. But that doesn't mean they know everything, especially about you. Like you're the only one who knows what going through on a day to day basis. They're not with you every moment of the day. And so much goes into our health, from the things we're thinking, to what we're eating, to the environment that we're in, to the friends we have, to the thoughts we're allowing into our mind, to the commercials we end up seeing. Things like that. There's so much that goes into it. A doctor couldn't possibly have the time to sit around and figure out everything that's wrong with you. So we're the only ones that need to take the time to do that. And the more we do that, the easier it becomes. So that's why I'm really passionate about teaching people about self education. Yeah, you go to a doctor when you need to go to a doctor, which for me was when I was on drugs, it was every three weeks. I was going there because I needed to because my kidneys were failing, because my liver wasn't working, because I was having all these side effects from these drugs. But I go once a year now for a checkup and she says, you're good to go. I don't know why you're in my office. And then I go home and it's like, it's so much easier. I just try to explain to people that it just gets so much easier. And when you pop a pill, that's what you want. You want it to be easy. So if you want it to be easy, just look into the natural alternatives for some of the drugs you're on, because that's the easiest thing you can do.

Absolutely. And I think everyone's really curious now. What are your favorite herbs, natural remedies and practices that you do not only for anxiety and depression and other mental illnesses, but just to keep you at your highest level.

Self meditation is a huge one. I know it sounds like hokey to some people. I actually the part in my book, the chapter is basically called why you want to meditate but don't and how to start. Because I don't assume that everybody knows, but everybody comes across the same roadblock. So they think they don't know how, they think they don't have the time, they think it's not for them, they don't see results immediately. They get bored. And it's, you know, it's not an action packed movie, it's not the latest Disney movie, but it is going to save your life. Like when I took my. The first time I meditated, the very first time. And I'm so glad this happened because it was my aha moment that I meditated. I, you know, I'd had panic attacks since I was a little kid and I'd been on drugs for them. I'd gone to therapy. Like everything I'd done everything that a doctor tells you to do, right? And the first time I meditated, I realized that my breathing was panicked and that I didn't need to take drugs. I needed to figure out how to breathe. The funny thing was I already knew how to breathe. I'm a singer, right? So I'd gone to voice lessons like my whole life and I had, I knew how to breathe through my diaphragm, I knew how to exhale slowly, I knew how to do the whole thing, but I'd never applied it to my life, to my anxiety, to anxiety attacks, to like preventive medicine for myself. Like that's what it is now is the fact that if you can control your breath, you can control your heart rate, you can control your endorphins, you can control your panic period. Like, and that's really the only way to do it. A pill is not going to do that for you. So I realized immediately, and then, like, within a week, I had control over my anxiety. And I don't. I don't like to throw timelines out there because I don't want anyone's expectations of meditation to be unrealistic. But it happened so quickly for me that I just wanted to do it more and more and more and more. So here I am, six years later, still doing it, and it's continued to have amazing benefits in so many areas of my life that, you know, I recommend it as the first line of defense for everything and everyone.

Beautiful. And what does that meditation practice look like for you?

For me, it is mindful meditation. So I'm not that hard on myself. I just need to get in. For me, I know I need to get into a quiet headspace. So I'll take a bath or I'll meditate in my room or on my meditation pillow and just light a candle and just relax. Like, sometimes I'll have music, sometimes I won't. I try to clear my mind as much as I can, but for me, sometimes creative thoughts creep in. And so I just go write in a journal or I go take a walk and, you know, voice record something. If it's a new song or whatever. Just those are the times that things really end up coming to me creatively. But most of the time, it's just time for my brain to relax and be able to figure out what the heck is going on. Because you get bombarded by so much stuff every day. Day, I need it. Like, for me, I can't go out into the world unless I've taken that time for myself. And meditation takes a lot of different forms, but you'll know if you're not getting it, you know, especially if you get into that space where it's a part of your life every day. It shows up in different ways. I honestly feel like a nature walk in the morning sometimes can be my meditation. Sometimes I have to sit down and take that time. So it changes. But it's that feeling to me of just like, okay, I'm relaxed.

Absolutely. And I love how you allow yourself to write down those creative thoughts when they arise. Because I know for me, so many times I have these ideas that come to me. I'm like, no, I need to be meditating. And then I forget about them after. And I. And I'm like, oh, my God, I wish I wrote that down.

Yes. Yeah, write everything down. Even if it's in the dark in the back of a book, and you might not know what it says tomorrow, at least it's there. At least it's somewhere. You'll pick up on some part of it. And writing it down. For me, the Kinesis experience of writing it down helps it actually stick in your mind anyway, most the time, if I write it down, I don't have to go back and look at what it is because I had to think it through while writing it down. So, yes, more of that. Always. Especially when you're a writer and that's your craft, you know?

Yes. And you are working on your second book right now?

I am working on my third book.

Third book. Oh, my God, girl. So you finished the second one?

I finished the manuscript for the second. We're editing it currently. I just finished all my stuff for the Library of Congress, so it should be out early next year. And then I am currently working on my third book, but we can talk about whichever one you want.

So what are each of them called?

Well, I can't actually announce that yet, but I will be announcing what the second book is called soon. And then we're actually shopping my third book proposal around right now. So once that gets picked up, we'll be able to announce more about that, too. But, yeah, I'm just really excited. 30 years old and three books into my life. Oh, my gosh. Goals, goals. You're on your way. I gotta keep going.

No, but I know just how exhilarating of an experience that is. I can't even imagine when I'm on my third. But your fiance wrote at the beginning of the book that it took you just three months to write Cured by Nature. And this is while you were working full time, shooting, like, a feature film, doing advertisements, all of these things, and you still got it all done in three months. And, guys, this book is, like, deep. Just reading it, I feel all types of ways. I can't even imagine writing it. So. I had the same experience when I wrote the Idiot's Guide to Ayurveda. I wrote the whole thing in two months, and I just kind of let myself go into the state of flow. So I would love to hear more about your state of flow and any rituals and practices that help you get there.

Definitely. Well, I think one thing, as you know, is, you know, you sign a contract, and when my publishing company came to me and said, can you write this book in three months because we want to get it out, you know, you have a deadline, we want to get it out this time next year. I was like, sure. And I had no idea what I was signing up to do, really, because I'd never written a book before. So I think part of it is really just like jumping in. Like when you commit to something, just frickin do it. If you're gonna write it in three months, there is no reason why your ass can't sit down and write a book in three months. Like, especially if somebody's believed in you enough to give you a book deal. So for me it was very like serendipitous because of the way it happened. You know, my publishing company came to me through my blog and they, you know, gave me a deadline and I signed a contract. And basically if somebody gives me something to write, I can sit down and write it. And the proposed amount of time it needs to be written, that's never been difficult for me. But still, you know, I understand that self sabotage gets in the way, right? You start doing it and your brain goes like, wait, no, are you sure we want to be successful? Like, are you sure we want to do this? Like, wait, you're putting your whole life out there. Wait, what is your family going to think? Wait, what are people going to think of you? Wait, nobody knows your mom did heroin. What are you doing? You're gonna write about this. Nobody asked you to write about this. Like, I had those thoughts for sure. And I think there were a lot of rituals and practices I did have to do to get over them. One of them was just taking the time, carving out the time every day to just go and write and see what happened, you know, So I literally would just. I lived like three blocks away from the beach in Cardiff, by the sea, San Diego. And I would just wake up at 8 o' clock in the morning and take my laptop, you know, I would have charged it the night before, take my laptop, down to the beach, get some breakfast at Pipes and right at Swami's beach, which is where Autobiography of a Yogi was written, which was one of the books that had actually led me to California. So for me it was all like, just freaking get excited girl. Like, clearly life has led you here for a reason, so you have to do it. So I just took the time every day and did it. But, but hiking, nature walks, being present, those are the things that really got me over. Things like writing about my dad dying and, you know, writing the hard stuff in There. There's a lot of. Like you said, it's not fluff. So there were definitely days where I came home crying and was like, am I really gonna do this for really no guarantee of any reward. I've never done this before. Nobody knows who I am. There's no guarantee anyone's gonna buy this thing. But I think getting excited about the creation process, instead of seeing it as work or seeing it as a chore, or seeing it as an obstacle, when you're guided, things really flow, and that's when the real work can begin. So I understand the process of writing a book now way more than I did before. And so I know, you know, what goes into it. And that whole thing for me was just such a learning process. Writing the book in and of itself was an incredible life lesson. So I still think of it as that. And I kind of knew it was going to be when I was going through it. So that's how I wrote a book in three months. I don't know.

Absolutely. Sometimes these deadlines are the biggest blessings we can have.

Exactly.

Well, that is so wonderful. And a lot of us, we feel our own doubts and these fears and insecurities that you mentioned of, like, who am I to write a book? Who am I to share my voice? And no one asked me for my opinion. And it all comes back to this lack of self love. So what advice do you have for people who kind of, like, feel in that stuck place?

I think people need to remember that, you know, we all have a story to tell. We all have something extremely unique about us. And none of us, regardless of diagnosis or whatever you're going through, are broken. You know, for me, I felt for such a long time that I was, like, broken and that something needed to be fixed. And that's why I had to take all these drugs, and that's why I had all these labels and these diagnoses. But, you know, you're enough, and you have all the tools you need already. You just need a way to access them. So for me, when I was going through it, like, there was no cured by nature out there. But knowing now that this book has touched people's lives and changed people's lives. Like, that's why I understand now why I went through what I did, why I went out of my way to write it, why I wrote about things that were hard to write because they make other people's lives easier. And that's why books like this and works like this exist to give people the tools they need to overcome the Things they need to overcome. So I feel like paying it forward. And you're doing the same thing with your book, which is amazing. And it really is the best feeling ever when somebody writes you an email and says, you know, I didn't know what I was going to do with my life yesterday, and I know what I'm going to do with my life today because I feel like I have tools today that I didn't have yesterday after reading something that you wrote. Paying it forward is the best way to create balance in yourself and in the universe.

Absolutely. I could not agree more. And it's exactly those emails and those DMs that people don't realize. It literally means the world to us because that's our fuel. That's what keeps us going. And, you know, being a blogger and putting yourself out there, it's like a lot of giving out, and you don't see coming in that much. So just the little comments, really, this is like our payment.

Like, thank you, guys. Thank you. And thank you. Thank you, thank you. It's so crazy that people that I find even are reading and I'm like, oh, damn, you're reading it. Cool.

Yeah.

And the people that come up to my book signings and stuff, people. I would never imagine who, you know, but you don't see trauma on people's faces. That's why people say, be kind to everybody you meet. It's almost twofold because you just. There's no way to tell by looking at somebody what they've been through. There really isn't. I've had people come up to me at my book signings and say, thank you for sharing about your, you know, your mother being a heroin addict. My parents were also heroin addicts. And I never told anybody because it's not something you share. Like, I never told anybody before I published this book. They were, like, four people in my life, besides my immediate family, who knew that that situation had occurred. So it's. But I honestly feel like. And even my mother, who's, like the biggest champion of my book, regardless of the fact that I spill all her deepest and darkest secrets from the 80s and 90s in this work, she's like, if what you wrote about what I did, you know, mistakes I've made, even helps one person, like, it's worth it. And she knows it's helped thousands of people, so she's stoked. And if you can do that, if you can help people realize their mistakes or other people's, like, successes, really, in the end, you know, they can't be that mad at you. Wow.

Yeah. And I can. I can only imagine having your mom read that book. And, you know, part of you is, yes, that happened to me. And another part of you, like, feels like, responsible for how your mother feels. I know every time I, like, say something about my parents, I'm like, oh, God, I feel kind of bad, but it's also my truth. So it's a sticky situation. Yeah.

And, you know, I always tell her too, I'm like, hey, you had choices. You know what I mean? You had choices. I'm gonna not make the same choices you made. That's all I'm gonna say about that. And she gets it, you know, And I think, you know, there's a part of it. As parents too, you have to realize everything you do impacts your kids. And they might write a book someday. So be careful.

Absolutely. So what advice do you have for people out there who have anxiety, depression? You were also diagnosed with bipolarism, I remember reading. And what advice do you have for people like that who might be on prescription medication and they might not want to be in the future?

Pick up my book. That's my first one. I mean, no, seriously, because when my publishing company came to me to write Cured by Nature, they said to me on the phone the first time we were talking about it and the concept and everything, they said, you know, if you can go out of your comfort zone and actually write about your journey, that would help so many people because there is no book out there like that. And I was like, what do you mean? And they said, nobody has ever written a book about coming off their pharmaceutical drugs. Like, doctors have written books about what happens if they're. When their patients have. And working with other people and stuff. But nobody who's actually done it, especially somebody who was on drugs for a significant amount of time, has written like a memoir style book about it. And also, you know, that provided alternatives to the drugs they used to take, which are some of the most common drugs that people in this country are on. So that was when I really realized that it needed to be written. So I think that this is probably your best intro to seeing what somebody else. And I've been on every kind of drug you can name for, like, everything. So anxiety, depression, pain, fibromyalgia, I mean, like birth control, everything. I've been on everything. So I think this is a good first step because it provides alternatives as well. And then basically every book that's recommended under my book on Amazon also touches on the same topic. So just Kind of doing your own research. You know, they even show in scientific studies that not self diagnosis, but self healing has the most long term effects. So when you go and kind of do your own research, I recommend when you're doing research to type in the benefits of things because otherwise you're going to find all kind of scary Internet stuff that pops up. And also, you know, look for books that are on the subject. Don't just like read Internet articles because you know why. So that's probably my best advice. And just remember that you have these tools in you. They're already in you. I know it feels like we're powerless to our emotions or our past or somebody or something else or a job or a place we live, but we have the capacity to change all of those things. And once we change ourselves, those things change. We don't have to change anything else. So once you start working on yourself, the things around you will start to reflect what you want them to look like.

Absolutely. That's so beautiful. I'm definitely going to make a little tweetable with that. So. Yeah. And I know St. John's Wort is a really big one for depression. Is that something that you still take? Do you recommend taking it while combating the depression or is it sort of a maintenance thing as well?

So I don't recommend St. John's Wort until you've come off your medication. Because St. John's Wort has the capacity. What it does is it actually amplifies everything that's like going on in your body. So that's why they tell you not to take it with your medication, because what it does is it actually will amplify your medication the same way it's amplifying everything else in your body. So I get why they say that. But I do think St. John's word, if you're not on medication and you're trying to help with depression, is a really great place to start. I recommend for people who are on medication to start with gaba, a very low amount of gaba every day, vitamin.

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And really that's a great place to start. Coq10 5 HTP and then for people who have pain and anxiety, I always recommend valerian and skullcap as a combo because one really just balances your brain and then the other chills you out and helps you with any pain or anything that's distracting. They also both help with anxiety a lot too.

Perfect. Do you ever drink kava? I know in San Diego there's a lot of kava bars that have popped up.

I love kava. I actually have it as a tincture. I haven't. I don't have it as a tea as a lot of people are drinking it now. It's really funny you asked me that. When I first moved to San Diego, the guy at the. I was working. When I was working on my book, the guy at the grocery store was, like, starting his own kava company. Like, hand me these samples all the time. And I was like, oh, cool. Because it was. It seemed like it was like popping up as something people were learning about and realizing could really help with stresses and anxiety. So I was like, oh, sweet. It's getting kind of mainstream. Nice.

Yeah. I went to, like, there were probably three places that I know of in San Diego that are like. One's like a lounge, and it has all these board games, and the bar just serves different types of cava.

That's amazing. We should go together.

Absolutely. It's right next to this, like, Kundalini Vinyasa Studio. I'm like, that sounds like the perfect Friday night.

Yes, exactly. Okay, we'll chill. Exactly.

The new Netflix. Well, so amazing. And I'm just so honored to have you here sharing this with everyone listening. And if you guys don't follow her on social media, follow her. Her Instagram's Tara Mackey M A C K E Y. I will also post link in the show links. And just watching your story, super inspirational for me because you really created a life that is so authentic to you. Like, watching you with your dogs every day on the. On the beach and like, writing your book outside, like, in nature. Like, I would never be able to.

Do that just because, like, the sun.

And, you know, it's like sometimes you have, like, fantasies about doing things on the beach, and then you're like, oh, the sand, this, that. But I love that you're doing it. And it's, like, really inspirational for me and to know that, like, you come from New York. I also come from the East Coast. You weren't a California girl growing up. You have created this life for yourself, and you've. You've taken free will and ownership, and I really respect that about you.

Thank you, girl. You too. Yeah. I like to remind people that I moved out here with $300 in my pocket and one month's worth of plans. So you can do it, whatever you want to do.

Amazing. Well, so happy to have you here. So tell us. So she's hosting retreat in Tahiti at the end of August, August 24th to 31st, which I'm going to try to make it to it sounds amazing. So can you tell us a little bit about the retreat? Absolutely.

It's held in the paradise island of Huahine, which I just came back from. So if you want to check out some photos, they're breathtaking, you can check them out on my Instagram. And I mean it's the island equivalent of the Garden of Eden. They even say that on the Tahitian Islands it has the least amount of population and they have no like tourism right now. We're really trying to build their tourism. So also all the money we're raising on the retreat goes back to the island because these people are, they live their whole lives there. They're very hard working, they're very nice. They're like some of honestly just the most genuinely nicest, funniest people. They all have really amazing senses of humor. But you know, they all live on this island and they're trying to make it work. So I really was very inspired to give back to what the people of Huahine are doing and we will be treated like queens on our retreat. I just was there for five days. And between the VIP boat tour around the island that's included mindful meditations, we'll be doing body connection workshops, we're visiting the local medicine people and learning how they heal themselves because there's not a hospital on the island, there's a barbecue lunch on a private island. I mean it just goes on and on and it's about a quarter of the price it would be if you tried to make it happen on your own. So we're keeping the price really low and I just want to include as many people as possible because it's such a special place and special experience. I want as many people to have that as they can. Like I came back, I swear, just completely renewed and like a completely different person in all the best ways, you know, you just. I was definitely reminded of what I'm truly here for and how beautiful this planet really is. So if that's what you're looking for, this retreat is for you.

Absolutely. Well, count me in. That just definitely sealed the deal. That sounds incredible. And just spending more time and learning from you in such a beautiful setting sounds like a dream come true.

Aw, thanks. I hope to see you there, girl.

Yes. Well, thank you again for making the time guys. I was will post her Instagram, her website in the show links and we are so honored to have you here and thank you for radiating at your highest self.

Thank you so much for having me I'll speak soon.

Bye. Bye.

J.