068: Activating Your Shamanic Roots with Shaman Durek

Namaste, it's Sahara Rose. And welcome back to the Highest Self podcast, a place where we discuss what makes you your soul's highest evolvement. I just got back from an incredible trip to New York. If you guys are following along on my Instagram, it was super eventful. I ended up meeting with Deepak Cho Chopra, ended up meeting Dr. Mark Hyman, who is gonna write a quote for Eat Feel Fresh. So excited about that. Ended up getting invited to Dr. Oz's house. Was dancing with him. Like so many incredible things. And it's just amazing how much we can manifest when we open our minds and our belief systems to anything being possible. And I've really just seen my life radically change. Things that I believed that could never happen to me happen to me because of one thing, my mindset. So I am so passionate about sharing this work and how we truly create our realities from our belief systems. And if we let go of these limiting beliefs of I can't or I'm not ready, I'm not enough good things don't happen to people like me, then we open our lives up for just radical change and fulfillment and joy. Just so excited for all of us to be living in this time. And I'm especially excited for this week's Highest Self podcast guest. He is someone who you may have heard of, may have seen him on my Instagram, always post videos of him whenever I'm able to go to his workshops. And his name is Shaman Durek and he is full power guys. And I don't say this about everyone. He is the real deal. He is a spiritual guide, a healer, a third generation shaman who has truly devoted decades to study and practice in helping people embody shamanism in a modern way. He is an activist, he's a woman's empowerment leader and really serves as a bridge between the spiritual and physical planes. And we did this interview after I actually did a session with him. I did a one on one session with him and I did not know what to expect. Everyone has a very different experience and whatever you need comes through. So for me, it was just a lot of just release of, you know, times in my life where I may have felt anger, I may have felt emotions that I did not let myself fully experience. And he created that space for me to like fully feel them and let go of them and let go of the things that were not holding me in my highest light. And we did this episode a few weeks ago and you can see my life has been awesome. I mean, life is always awesome, but I think that he definitely helped remove some fears and blocks that I had over just asking for what I want and totally going for it. It's something that's, you know, no matter where you are in your life, healing and growing is always part of the process. We never get to this point that we're like, I'm no more healing. For me, we're always healing and growing and learning. 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Oh well, I'm this, I'm that. And we're actually creating that. So he's very, very particular about the kind of language you use, which I love. I think language really creates a reality and just has so much strength, so much wisdom, so much love, really, to share with us all. So without further ado, here is Shaman Durek.

Well, welcome to the Highest Self podcast. I'm so excited to have you here.

Thank you. I'm excited to be here as well.

So the first question I want to ask you, that I ask everyone, is, what makes you your highest self?

What makes me my higher self? Well, that's a very interesting question, because in shamanism, we don't really have a higher self. But let me just go into the understanding of the higher self is the part of you that is part. That's actualized. Right. Okay. So I would say what makes me my highest self is when I am truly being selfless and in service and honoring people where there is no time, time is lost. And it just. There's no goal, there's no destination. It's just being. And that's when I'm out there in the field, doing the things that I do is just time. It doesn't mean anything, you know, and when I'm there serving someone and loving them, sometimes people will say, oh, my God, it feels like, you know, I've been here an hour, but it's actually been like six hours, because it doesn't. To me, it doesn't translate into anything tangible. What's most important is the attention and the love and the devotion that's being put upon whatever it is that I'm doing that is coming from this place of just pure, unconditional love of service.

Beautiful. Well, you exhibit that so well.

Thank you, my love.

So for people listening, can you explain a little bit about shamanism and what you do?

Yeah. Shamanism is a gateway into evolution, a bridge, a way of passageway into recognizing the understanding and the balance of equilibrium between both the spirit world and the physical world, and how the knowledge of the elders and the knowledge of the spirits that live in the spirit world that are here to support us in our evolution by bringing that information of data to the people in the physical world so that they can live their lives without stress, without complication, without resistance, without pain, without suffering. So in shamanism, we would consider ourselves as the ambassador, the guide who brings that knowledge to the physical world as well as helps the physical world to obtain the highest level of authenticity, both individually and then also within community and globally, and then be able to utilize their powers Once they see the power put back in their hands as a way to create a functional change that is done throughout, you know, the planet as a whole, but and through, you know, different social communities, as well as reflective amongst the people and their way in which they treat the environment and the way that they build technology, the way that they produce their tools, how it's made, the level of resource they use, and how much they give back to it. And this, you know, creating that cycle of support for all things is really the key tone for what a shaman's purpose is. And a lot of times people have a misconception of shamanism. They think it's, you know, just a person jumping around with feathers and with bones and, you know, spouting off all kinds of paganisms, you know, comments and spells and whatnot. And it's not really based in that per se. Of course, there's the pagan aspect of loving nature and being devotional to nature, but that's because nature was created by the Creator. And so anything the creation creates, we have respect and adoration for. And so this, I would say, would be the true definition of shamanism. So shamanism is the way of life of the shaman, or the teachings of shamanism. And then a shaman hold those teachings and brings them into the world and also into the lives of people. So there's shamanism, which is the way of, and the teachings of, and then there's the shaman who has learned the teachings and learned the way of and now is able to bring that information to people in a more easy and accessible way.

Beautiful. I love that definition. So a lot of us that I see, we are disconnected from our bodies, especially women. We don't know what feels good for us. We're disconnected with their sexualities. How do you help women go further into there? And also, can you explain a little bit about what brought you into, like, really women empowerment?

So what brought me into women's empowerment is basically the pinnacle truth. The pinnacle truth in shamanism is that in order for any society to be able to adapt and to move forward in its evolution, the feminine has to be in the position so that the knowledge and the data and information is streamed through the heart and through the consciousness of the feminine, which allows one to be able to thwart danger and be able to create systems that operate within a community of support, of love, of nurturing, of understanding, of kindness, of generosity, and of sustenance. And so whenever there is any kind of structure built, the feminine should always be the guide that tells how to build that structure. Or how to create that structure. So it's important in shamanism and just in life in general. How just women's position to be at the cornerstone of society. To be able to bring their knowledge and their skills. Through their emotions, through their intuition, through their sensuality and their connection, through their sensorium. To be able to connect with the environment, through people, through community, through all of it. And be able to make adjustments that actually support the ongoing of evolution.

And how we evolve.

If we are going to evolve through pain. Or we're going to evolve through more pleasure and more joy, and more ease and grace. And also how do we build, how do we construct, how do we architect the things that we are constructing on the planet. And as well as even the education, you know. So when there is the feminine energy involved, There is this rising in the level of production of what we create. How we associate ourselves, how we integrate, how we react, how we understand the totality of our existence. Through understanding the life code. When we understand from women the life code. When they're operating in their highest place, they teach us this life code. And that life code has the ability to teach us the value of life.

And one of the biggest things that.

We have problems on, on life is that people don't value the life code. People don't value their own life. And they don't value life of another person. Or life of an animal. Or the life code in general. And so therefore our species thinks it's okay to kill and to take life. Because they don't know what it took to make that life. And when women are in the position of their power, they'll be able to demonstrate, teach and share the knowledge that comes from spirit about the value of this life code. And then be able to pass it on to their children. Which will then again instill that within us. To be able to understand the value of life. And see that the technologies and the chemicals and all of the mass production of things that we have been doing to ourselves on this planet. And also what we've been doing to the environment. Is actually against ourselves. And against the system of truth that lies deep within us. And the part of the feminine that is awakening through us. So when I say deep, it's not like it's deep down in there. It's in the feminine aspect that is still rising up, up to the surface. To be recognized and to be activated. And so women have the ability to activate that in themselves. And then activate that in others. And. And that for a shaman, when it goes in alignment to who we are as ambassadors and who we are as stewards of the earth and people and preservers of life. That is the first alignment to fixing any problem globally. And even when it comes down to the biggest environmental global issues, you will find. In order to fix the environmental global issues, the first thing you have to do for the planet is to look at where is the most change affected to affect the planet the most? Is it in changing the resources that we use? Is it in adding more wind turbines? Is it about learning how to, you know, to clean our water or keep our air clean? Is it about, you know, changing the way that we operate in the food industry industry as far as the way we consume? No, because those things will take time to change. And the timeframe that it would take to change those things at a global level would not be enough to create a world effect. But what will actually create the world effect is women being activated and empowered into who they are so that when they bring life to the planet, that life is being brought in with the knowledge of the life code. And when the person realizes the value of life. And they're not going to want to eat poison, they're not going to want to put things on our planet that destroy us and guns and bombs and all of these different things that we've created that destroy the sanctity and the beauty of life. They're going to want to create things that actually move us and implore us to evolve in such a beautiful way. So that's really important, and that's one of the main reasons. And then to reconnect with your body and your sensuality, the first thing you have to go through is what we call metamorphosis. Metamorphosis is the state in which you are able to transfer the information that you've been telling yourself and what you've been emotionally creating inside of yourself because of what you told yourself about yourself as a woman and in being a part of society. The metamorphosis, exchange aspect is the communication between other women supporting each other in the growth of that transformation. But the true transformation is the inward journey of the self of recognizing how to remove the labels and the ideas and the conditions that you've created that associate your responsibilities or what you believe about being a woman. And then utilizing new data and information that actually serves to enhance not only your minds, but your emotions to see and look at yourself in a different way. So that way you're actually changing the way in which you see yourself. So the reflection, reflection of self is seen with a much more Pristine and much more loving and much more nurturing way than looking from a place of lack limitation. And I'm not good enough or I'm not sexy enough or that man's not gonna like me or if I don't do this, then I'm gonna be alone. And if I don't do that, and who was gonna want to marry me and give me kids and you know, do people see me as powerful? And all this which has been a reflection of only the lack and limitation of one's true character to see the power that within you to becoming a reflection of I am beautiful. It's okay for me to be sexy. It's okay for me to be sensual. It's okay for me to be sexual. It's okay for me to feel pleasure. It's okay for me to feel bliss. It's okay for me to feel what I feel inside. It's okay for me to be free, to dance and to run, to skip, to play, to sing, to paint, to you name it. And once you shift that and go into that metamorphosis state, like any butterfly in its crystallis state, the butterfly emerges out of that crystallis state and becomes this amazing butterfly. So what you actually saw before when you were the caterpillar, which was like this small tiny speck of your universe of what you thought was possible from where you are, we're using that as a metaphor, the whole caterpillar and butterfly theory to the idea of going into the crystallis state, which is the metamorphosis process of going inward and bringing the right things to yourself so that you can come out as the butterfly and realize that the, the small, tiny little box that you held yourself in there was this amazing, amazing world that you have yet to discover. And that's where the real adventure begins.

I love that so, so, so much. And I think a lot of people listening right now are like just beginning to blossom and spread their wings. But I think a lot of times it's our own fear and our own self limiting beliefs and limitations. So we just did a session and we worked a lot about this. How do you recommend that we talk to this fear?

So the fear itself and talking to that fear is recognizing one, it's inaccurate and it doesn't have any factual information to support it. Right. And so if you look at fear as data that has no facts to back it up, only the idea in which you can use would be something that you experienced through something before in the past or something that you saw someone else go through. But even that doesn't have factual evidence enough to provide the substantial quality of truth to support that fear. So the first thing you should do in any situation is to dismantle the fear is by calling it out, by completely saying what the fear is and then saying, this is inaccurate data. This is inaccurate truth. Because the biggest core issue that we deal with on earth is the malfunction in thinking. It's the thinking without consciousness. It's the thinking and believing in things without really bringing it to a factual place that actually has conclusive evidence that what you're actually saying is real and has tangible truth to what you're saying. And here's the thing, too. If anything is true in its nature, right? It should never be something that can actually cause harm or pain to you. The core energy of truthful nature should always be something that uplifts you and inspires you. So anything that causes pain or suffering to you is already in itself a lie. Or in factual, to be exact. And so in the shamanic way, would be to really see that through observation, acknowledge it with love, and then, you know, discredit it completely by acknowledging that the data, information, or the knowledge in which you've received is poisonous to the system and therefore needs to not be taken in. It's like the question would be, if I put a bottle of poison on your counter every day, would wake up and drink the poison if you knew it was poison, and people would obviously say, and those who are listening would say, no, of course I would not. Well, then the same goes for the way in which you actually receive and conceive information in your being. If you are bringing information in your being that you haven't ran through, you know, your discernment and brought to the table of love to clarify it as something that actually brings love to you and empowers you and makes you feel good, then you would have to assume through that factual experience of bringing it to love. And if it doesn't connect with love, then you would have to make a decision that the assumption is over because you brought it to the table of love and what it really is is poison. And as I would say to all those who are listening, the days of drinking poison are over for sure.

Yeah, I think a lot of us are drinking poison and we don't realize it it. And in fact, we were told to, we were taught to, and we don't know what it's like to not. And I think that the hardest part is that recognition and that knowing that that voice is not you, which we were Doing a lot today. And like that fear or whatever is actually a dark vibrational energy that has made you believe that it's, it is part of you. So can you kind of like walk us through sort of like a conversation that you would have with one of these darker energies that's inside of you?

Yeah. So first of all, going back to what we're saying, identifying darkness is the first key, right? And how do you identify darkness? Darkness is the antithesis of love. So it is a. Goes against the quality well being, it goes against the quality of life, right? Darkness operates from a place of fear. And through that fear you have degradation, you have suffering, you have pain, you have sickness, you have poverty, you have death, you have decay. So if we operate from the first understanding, right? If we put that into our brain and we understand, okay, so the first thing is to identify that which is abnormal within your thinking or your emotional system, right? So any abnormal energy frequency, data stream, feeling, anything that is not operating from a vibrational consciousness of constantly supporting you and lifting you and making you feel wonderful and powerful and that you can have this limitless, this available, sustaining joy and energy and freedom and play and creativity and everything that really just constantly skyrockets you and quantum leaps you into the realm of limitless possibility. You can see the difference where it lies within a person and within yourself. So without even talking or dealing with the darkness, the first thing is to identify. When you actually identify, you will be able to see right then and there that it's not a part of you. So even if darkness says I'm a part of you, you can completely debate that with pure love and say, you know, I know that's not true because the part of who I am is truly love.

What's an example of like noticing that that's darkness again?

To notice it's darkness would be recognizing that it's against love. It's against the truth of your higher, as you would say in the beginning, your higher self. It's against that aspect of you becoming your highest self, your highest love, your highest truth, your highest wisdom, your highest integrity, your highest understanding of play and freedom and sensuality and creativity and expansion and inspiration. So anything that goes against. Because that energy form is a distorted quality, a distorted energy in the being which is coming from the darkness. And so therefore, once it's identified, you already know that it has nothing to do with you. Now, once you identify, the second key is to be able to go, this has nothing to do with. This is not a part of me. This is not me. So now I get to interact with it in a very clear way, a very direct way, which is you're not a part of me. And you don't even have to go into a debate with it at that point, because at that point you're very clear about it. So you just simply say, I'm taking you into the light and I'm surrounding you in the light where darkness is no longer. And therefore, while you're there in the light, you see the highest truth. And you can even say, what now do you see? And now that you're in the light and surrounded by unconditional love, you can do that, or you can just simply say, I'm taking you into the light and you're surrounded by the light, you have completely gone into light and the light has accepted you. You've accepted the light, and it's goodbye from this point on, and that's it. And then you just go back and realize and check inside yourself to monitor that's no longer present and that's no longer being the. How do you say, the person tinkering behind the curtain, as they say in wizard of Oz, wanting to invoke fear into you to keep you in a very subjugated standpoint in your life and also in the lives of others. And at that point, you can exact the very core moment of really realizing, wow, I am this very powerful being and nothing can affect me because I know the truth. And the truth is that I am truly at every level of my being. Love. And then that sums it up right there.

I love that. And you talked about this in your empath training. We went to yesterday about how oftentimes the dark energies show themselves to us as children to teach us to not go there. And we see these spirits and these boogie monsters and scary things, and it's these energies saying, don't come here. So can you explain a little bit more about that?

Yeah, it wasn't about not coming there. The spirit, when you were a kid, you have shadow beings that come into your room to scare you so that you will never go into the darkness, to face the shadow, so that you will never be able to come into your power as an individual, as a human being, as a spiritual master. And however you want to interpret that place of empowerment for yourself, you know, you won't come into that space because in order to get get to the light, you have to go to the shadow, and then the shadow directs you to the light. So when people claim that they are these love and light beings, but then they're running away from darkness and they're not running towards it. They're not what they proclaim. Because to proclaim anything of the light means that you have had gone through the darkness and embraced it with unconditional love. Accepted. And now I'm able to go into the light. Because you've transcended the very thing that created the shadow. So if you imagine that there's a shadow and it took over the light, and your job is to basically embrace that shadow so that the light can come back. And so the more we begin to embrace something, we're actually clearing it and cleaning it and changing its energy frequency into the very thing that, you know, we want it to be, which is light. So that is the reason why it's important to go into the unknown or to run towards your fears, or to face the things that you don't want to face and really take it head on, not with fear, but with this wonderful childlike freedom of knowing that the moment you do, you're going to be skyrocketed into this new plateau of consciousness and thought. And the life molecules in your body will grow and expand and you will have access to clairvoyance and higher intuition and, you know, ability to psychometry to read things off of items and empathic powers. And, you know, the list is endless. And I can't go through all the maging powers that you'll be able to ascertain from it, but you will be able to gain that. And that in itself is so rewarding on every level of every fiber and.

Every molecule of your being, to be.

Able to raise its consciousness to levels that go into superpowers while being a human on earth and being able to generate those powers in real time and utilize them in your life to unlock more doors or to create new pathways to connect with new people and to bring more powerful prosperity and beautiful things in your life. And really watch the fruits and the beautiful gifts show up because you are now able to tap into that energy stream and really take that into your vessel. Because you were willing to make the journey through the transmutation process of moving through the shadow and the darkness. And that's why I always say to people that when the darkness comes, you know, run towards the darkness and embrace it with everything you got in that moment. You're going to experience complete transformation. And not just some words you see on, you know, the many words of spiritual words you can say, but it will be complete transformation on those levels. And that will be an endless journey of joy and harmony. And laughter and freedom and pleasure and bliss and opulence and. And, I mean, it just. The heightened energy of it even talking to you about it right now is sending waves of energy through my body. Cause it's just like.

All I just want to do is.

Say, yes, yes, we can all have that. And that is what it's about. And that's the reason why the role that I play here on Earth is.

So important for me to really get.

People to really take that darkness and go right in there, you know, and face it. You got a scary monster and spirit in your house. Talk to it, interact, you know, and deal with it from a place of love, unconditional and acceptance without trying to. You know, when I use the word trying, I mean, trying to figure it out. Just do it. Jump in. You know, that's why I love that campaign that Nike did, is just do it. Because it's so clear. It's like one of the most spiritual words. It's like, just do it.

I love that. And I totally agree with you. I think it's just a lot of us, we feel like if we step into that, those darker emotions, that fear, that depression, that anxiety, that loss, sorrow, that we won't be able to pull ourselves out of it. And then also the thing of, well, can I just be happy? You know, sometimes when you're on a healing path, you're like, oh, like, more, more, more. Shit I have to deal with. So, like, how do you stay so positive when dealing with. With darkness on a daily basis?

Look, even just when you were saying that, I was getting all these, like, my elders were, like, talking to me as you were saying that. And it was the interesting thing, that one that my grandmother just said was that the only reason why you would tell yourself that you wouldn't be able to get out of it again is because you're listening to the darkness. So that voice that said that, that's the darkness, right? Because the voice of truth that's coming from the highest possibility of love for your continuation in the sphere of evolution and transmutation and transformation would operate from. Of course you're gonna get out of it, and of course you're gonna transcend it, and it's gonna be beautiful, and.

It'S gonna be wonderful. Like, why would anyone want to go.

Down to any path or if they knew that there was gonna be wolves and dragons and crazy animals that were go. You know, bandits on the side of the road and stuff like that? You know, metaphorically speaking, they're not. They're Going to not want to go down that road.

So, you know, every nightmare is created.

By the idea that you create a thought without facts to back it up, and then you utilize it as truth to disempower you. And so the ethics of it is.

That you weren't using your mentality in the right way to be an intelligent. An intelligent person doesn't just say things.

And accept defeat in their words, in the way they operate their wordsmiths.

They understand that words have power. And so they utilize the power that.

Comes in the signals and the codes of those words. And they would never say, I would.

Get stuck in it, because they would know in the moment that they're saying.

That they're creating it.

So, so in shamanism, you wouldn't operate.

From this place of what if this happened? What if that happened? What if this, what if the house burned down? What if my car blows up? What if I go into these emotions and I get stuck? What if I can't get there? What if I never can get to be able to speak to my ancestors? What if, what if, what if, what.

If, what if your what if is.

Serving the darkness because you have a ticking like needle and that needle is going darkness. What you want to do is you.

Want to swing that puppy all the way over to the other side where.

It'S truth, love and light, right? So it's not so if you're going to use what if, because that's basically what you're saying to me.

So use what if that. What if I go in there and my whole life transfers and like I meet the person that I've been wanting to meet, I get to become the.

Successful person I want to be. I get to change the world, I.

Get to heal my body. I get to create new things for the planet that changes the civilization of humanity. What if I win the lotto? What if I discover a cure for uncurable disease? What if? So it's like utilizing and swinging that pendulum all the way back to the light and stay there.

That's what I call sustained consciousness.

You ask me, how do I stay.

In a place of dealing with darkness? Because I use what is called sustainable consciousness.

I don't operate in this needle flipping.

Back and forth across the Richter scale.

I am in sustained consciousness. I'm in this place of constant knowing that every time I go to the.

Darkness and run towards the darkness and.

Face the darkness, my life becomes greater and better and more amazing. And I get to meet more new people. I get to open up to new experiences in Myself with others, and the way I feel things, the way that I eat things, the way I touch things, the way. Way I connect to them, that, oh, my God, that in itself is worth.

Running to the darkness, you see, because.

I've created the tempo that's different from.

The wolves and the bears and the lions that are going to eat you on the road to a beautiful party that's happening on that road. And they're waiting for you.

Everyone is waiting to give you a big hug. They can't wait to see you. If you tell a kid his first.

Day at school, you know, I'm really concerned because, you know, when I had my first day at school, teacher was really mean to me. So please don't talk back to the teacher. Make sure you don't mind your own business to other kids, because sometimes there's bullies in school. I just want you to make sure you don't get into any fights and you know, you know, just do the right things that you're supposed to do. And, you know, you're just telling this kid all this negative stuff.

Your kid's gonna wake up in the.

Morning and be like, I don't want to go to school. I feel sick. I can't find my favorite shirt. Mom and Dad, I don't know, I feel sick. My stomach's hurting and everything.

I mean, they'll even be so instrumental to the point of being able to actually create their body, to create a sickness psychosomatically just because they are so scared. Their fear generated whatever cell in their.

Body and organ in their body to make themselves sick because they don't want to face whatever you told them about that situation.

But let's say you flip it, do.

It the other way and be like, oh, my God, you're having so much fun. You're gonna have a. It's going to be this. It's going to be. You're going to learn so much. Your teacher is going to love you, the kids are going to love you. That kid's going to be by your bedside waiting to go.

Absolutely, I totally agree. And it's so the framework that we go into something with and we all. I know you're very strict with languaging, and I notice I oftentimes my languaging is incorrect, that I'm like, oh, that's going to be hard. Or this is. And it's like. And it's changing that and setting yourself up for ease and grace and success.

And not strict either, because you use the word strict, and even that's a strict that's even in the languaging actually creates a holding down or oppression of. I'm free in language, but free to the point of how I want to feel. Do I want to feel good or do I want to feel like crap?

Right. So what are some things that we can change in our language to stay positive?

Well, one of the things you can change is get into the space of knowing possibility is there for you. So instead of saying like, I don't know if people are gonna like me. Of course people are gonna love me. You know, people are gonna really appreciate me working on this new job. I'm gonna have so much fun. I'm gonna learn so much. People are gonna take the project that I'm doing. They're gonna love my art, they're gonna love what I'm creating. You know, you're gonna use your. The way you speak to. As if you were talking to a child for the first time about something. And you want them to feel embraced, loved, supported, nurtured, and mot it. And that's how you have to speak to yourself, right? Like, I will never get up in the morning and tell myself, oh, my God, I'm going to dread this day because then immediately I'm using my words incorrectly. The poison has been drunken and. And I've drank in the poison. And now the spirits and creation have to create what I said as real and a part of my experience, because that's what creation does. It just creates. So. So words are so important because they're code combinations to unlock energies in the universe.

Just like if you were chanting something out loud, the chant.

It's not like Durga or Lakshmi or any of these beings are really, you know, sitting up in the spirit world, coming down to like, I'm Durga, I'm Lakshmi, I'm Ganesh, you know, coming down.

What they are, are energy forms, energy.

Frequencies that are being opened when you chant, right? Or when you pray or when you.

Do any of these types of things.

So words need to be utilized in correct manners. Not I can't, I think so, you know, maybe these are in between words. You don't want to use these words. Those words don't do anything for you. I don't know. Basically means you have no power. Who wants to be without power? Never say the word. I don't know. You always know. And you can always say, you know, I'm putting my mind to it to look more into it, to observe it more. And, you know, you don't always have to give people an Answer. You can always say, you know.

Know what? I've heard everything you said.

I'm going to meditate on it or I'm going to sleep on it, you know, and therefore go meditate on it. Go sleep on it.

Don't ever feel rushed in your communication.

The best healing for your throat chakra is there to be flow and to understand that it has to flow and feel good, right?

So think of it like pleasure. When you speak, you should be invoking pleasure in people.

When you speak to yourself, you should feel joyous.

You should be invoking joy, pleasure, ecstasy. When you speak, you should feel like you want to make love to yourself, okay? When you speak, someone wants to hear you speak. They're so intensified, lifted and feeling so good that their cells and everything's vibrating inside of them and they just feel like they want to make love love to you. They are in love with you. They want to be around you. They can't get enough of you because every time you open your mouth, you are bringing powerful energies into their being. More powerful than any kind of. Any kind of health drink they can drink. Any kind of the. What are these Red Bull things that they can put in their system with the.

What is it?

Red Bull gives you witch wings? No, no, no, no, no. You're.

When you speak, you give them wings. The.

All of a sudden, you start talking to people.

Turn.

They start turning into real life angels, okay? Masters in front of you, powerful shamans and healers and, you know, poets and dancers and people who feel so enthused with life that they can't even think about something negative when they're around you because your words are so exacting and so filled with magic and possibilities. It's like they're on pure life. They're on ecstasy all the time. They're like, oh, my God, I'm having another orgasm. And they don't even know the orgasms. It's not even a sexual thing. It's a mental thing. It's an emotional thing. It's a spiritual thing.

Preach.

It's a spiritual thing.

You just gave us all mental orgasms.

It's a mental thing. It's a mental thing.

Sitting next to me, he's like, vibrating and acting it all out, too. I love that. And. And I think we need more of that. And I just see so many people, especially these days, and you talk to them and they're like, hey, what's up? And it's just so.

Yeah.

I don't even know what that is. I don't even know I think that's like. That's oppression and suppression in itself. I mean, I've seen a lot of spiritual people. They get. They even have oppression and suppression in themselves.

I think it's a lot of like. Like, almost like when you start to become spiritual, you think spirituality is, like, being really, like, airy and, like, disconnected and uplifted. And they start with that, and then they realize that, like, oh, my, like, sexuality and my shadows are, like, the main part of the picture.

I look at it like a dance of tango, you know? You ever dance tango? You ever dance Argentina tango? Isn't it sexy?

Beautiful.

Okay. Don't you feel like when you're dancing Argentinian tango, you. You feel like you've been transported to another place and there's this feeling of this, and you just don't know what that is taking you to. And the feeling and movement of mmm just keeps taking you.

This is how you should talk.

When you talk to people. They should feel like, mmm. Like, you know, when you eat some good food and you're just like. Even though some people think. Think that's rude to do, I don't really care. I will moan and groan if you talk to me. And your words are on a level.

Where I'm like, you are taking me to levels of pleasure and ecstasy just.

By the fact that you're opening your mouth.

You are literally what I call. You are activating that person. Activation is what is needed across the nation. Activation is what's needed across the nation. And the biggest situation we see is that television and media and when you look upon the news and all of these things, there is no activation. When you go to a doctor, the doctor's not activating you into health and wellness. When they're shaking their head from right to left that says no.

That means no.

That means something's bad. You know, they're not activating you when they come in and telling you, you that you're a powerful healer and that you're healing yourself.

And it's good to see you.

Let me look at your chart. They're not activating you. You don't have your teacher sitting there activating you, telling the class before they even start how bright and each and every one of you are. You're such geniuses, and you're so smart. And I love how you grasp information and how you understand how to gain the knowledge and the information which I'm sharing to you. And I love how patient you are.

I love how you have beautiful answers. And I love.

I love how free it is for you to ask those questions so that you are willing to grow. And I love that about you. Like, activate people. Activate your children. Activate your husband. Tell him you love his beautiful cock. Tell him you love his body and the smell of him. Tell him that he turns you on and that he's so sexy. And that when you look at him, you don't know what.

What to do with yourself.

And that he's so powerful and how bright he is and how he always brings beautiful things into life. Activate your woman. Tell her how her wisdom is so wonderful and how her voice brings. Brings music to your heart. And how being next to her, you just want to put your arms around her and not let her go. And how you love her so much because she's so intelligent and she's genius and she comes up with so many amazing ideas. And you love the energy she puts into the children and the time she puts into the house. And you love her kindness and her wisdom. Activate her. Activate the people in your life, and you will see change for sure.

I could not agree more. And it's something that we're missing. And do you know what I think it is? I think we're waiting for that other person to start, and we're saying, oh, well, I don't to want to, you know, go around complimenting my husband and saying all these things because he doesn't do anything for me. And we're just waiting for that other person to make the move. And it's like two people in the standstill, right?

But the thing is in life, here's.

You know, I always say, look, you don't know how long you have with that person. You don't know how long you have with your children. You don't. You're not promised your whole life to be with that person. You don't know. You don't know what they signed up for on a soul level for their journey in this life, life. You know, they may sign up for 10 years with you. Five years. Your kids could sign up for 10 years, 20 years. You don't know. I learned this lesson in life that you don't wait. You don't wait. You tell people what you feel right now.

You tell them, you know, I love.

This song from Janis Joplin. And she says on stage, you know, that's the. I love all that stuff from that time. Janice Joplin says, you know, if you had this cat for one whole day, you're gonna hold that cat. You're gonna love that cat. You're gonna give Everything to that cat. Because before you know it, that cat could be gone. You don't know when that cat is going to leave. So you give your love now.

You don't.

You don't wait for the other person. You do it now. I tell people I love them now. I don't need you to run and do things for me and meet some of my approvals and you have to make some checklists of how long you've known me and what you' through with me and how much we have in.

Common for me to love you.

No, I, off the bat, love you.

For being alive and existing. Because that means that creation created you. And I love creation. And everything that creation creates is absolutely wonderful beyond every single thing you can imagine. I have no reason to hold back.

My love from you.

And so. So why?

Why people?

Why do you need to wait? What does your ego need to hear? So that you can say those words out of your mouth before it's too late.

Don't let your ego put you on that. Put yourself on blast.

Do it. Tell them, love them, Activate them, Embrace them. And let them be in that space.

So wherever your loved ones are, guys, tell them how much you love them. From Shaman Derek. And it's so true. And it's something that I think we don't say enough. So I love that so much. And another thing that a lot of listeners wanted me to ask you about is what to do if you don't know what to do with your life. You feel confused, you don't know what your heart, heart wants. How do you really tap into that?

First of all, that's not even possible. And the biggest thing that I find with people is that it's not that they don't know what they want to do in life. They don't really believe they can do it. So the first key is to recognize that the reason why you're saying that, which is basically a lie, is because the fact that you are not telling yourself the right stuff, period. You're not telling yourself the truth, which is, you know, I love you, you're so amazing. You can live your life in any which way you want. I want you to do what makes you happy. I want you to do what brings joy to you. What are some things in your life that you didn't get to do, that you wanted to experience? And then listen and you will get the answers. You can write them down as you're talking to yourself in that way. The reason why people say they feel lost in this and that and the Other is because they're not nurturing themselves themselves. So the first key would be, before you even get into that conversation with yourself, you have a lot of learning to do about nurturing yourself, right? So nurture yourself, my loves. You know, get into a real nurturing space.

Decide to say, I'm going to nurture myself for six months straight.

I'm not going to focus on what I'm supposed to do. I'm just going to nurture myself, speak to myself differently, treat myself differently. And what's going to happen is you're going to create that relationship with yourself where you can ask yourself, what would make you happy right now? And you're going to get the answer. And you'll say to yourself, what would bring you joy right now? And you're going to get the answer. And you can say, you know, what is something that you would like to support in the world that you feel that needs support? And you're going to get the answer. I've had a lot of people come to me and ask me, like, what am I supposed to do in life? I'm lost. I'm this. And then the other a moment I put them to a whole nurturing exercise. They came back to me and says, I know exactly what I want to do. Of course you do, because you have it in you, inside of you. The reason why you're not tapping into it right now is because you're on what we call lack of nurture. And so your being is going into survival mode, right? So anytime you feel stressed like that, that's because you're in what we call survival mode. And when you're in survival mode, it's not a time for you to be plotting and putting together a game plan of your life. In fact, the very fact that you would choose to do that would cause survival to go up even higher. So it's literally like survival is going up higher. It's time to calm the fire. You need to nurture yourself. And what your soul is asking is to be nurtured by you and not to be put into some idea that you have to go do something or there's some demand or pressure upon you, because that is the reason why you feel lost and you feel spacey and you don't know what you're doing, and you don't know if you want to do this or that or the other other. It's because you don't have nurturing qualities inside of your being for your being to even feel to want to go do anything.

So it's not going to tell you.

Anything until you're ready to be in the space of being the nurturer for yourself.

So true. And the fact that we all really do know what we want to do, but we're afraid of telling ourselves because we feel like if it's so big and what if I'm not able to? I said what if?

So right, you're practicing, but we are.

Telling ourselves because we are coming from the darkness. We're saying, what if I can't do it? And then that makes us think that, well then that's not my dream because it's too big of a dream.

Right. Again, you're not using shamanic principles and so you know, shamanism is a lifestyle choice. You're not using shamanic principles that are guiding you to be able to utilize your language, the way you operate, the way you treat yourself, the way you interact in the way world in a way that actually supports your evolution. Right. So just the fact that you would actually say what if in a negative place means you're operating in darkness. So you're drinking poison again. So we talk about the poison on the, on the shelf, on the table. You're drinking it. So without getting upset with yourself about it. Right? Because there's times I catch myself saying something because I was restructuring the whole thing between like, you know, when you see a group of people, you say, hey guys, how's it going? And I, my restructure is hey ladies, how's it going? Hey gentlemen, how's it going? And really getting, not associating a group of women as guys.

It's a mix.

You'll say to both, hello gentlemen, hello ladies.

Right. Creating a different structure of energy allows there to be a certain level of honor and respect that's being created as well. A lot of women friends of mine have noticed when I do that and they feel like, wow, no one's ever even acknowledged that. We just say hey guys. Because of course, hey guys was normal. Because we were operating from a male dominant type world world. We can't continue to use words that don't describe where we are in our evolution. So we have to create new language, new texts, new understandings of how we associate our word phrases to identify or to make sense of something. Because if you say to a group of people hey guys, and there's women there, you're basically just keep saying, well, it's a male dominated world, so who cares? I don't care that you're not a guy. I'm just going to say it anyway. And you're just going to group you into that thing, and therefore the male dominant energy is going to be pushed on that as well. We have to shift consciousness, and the shift consciousness has changed the way we speak, so.

Very true. And I think we're just beginning to really tap into how much power our language has. And it's an amazing thing because we are really creating our realities based off of our languaging. So please write a book just on that so we can change how we speak. Another question that a lot of listeners had was just dealing with anxiety. It seems like it's a really common thing with the social media age and comparison and just stresses and you're on our phone and just not being able to stay on top of things. So what's the shamanic approach to anxiety?

There's several causes for anxiety. Some anxieties are brought on by the onslaught of data and information that's coming in that is inclined correct to your system, such as the EMF waves that you're picking up on the level of radiation you're getting from your cell phone, how many times you're looking at a computer screen, how much sleep are you getting, and what types of nutrients are you putting into your system as a whole. And that's not even basing off of the city you live in. And if the city is congruent to your energy for your equilibrium and for your harmony and for your balance as well as for your homeostasis basis. So anxiety doesn't. A lot of times people have this really misinformed way of looking at anxiety. They think anxiety is just about because they're working really hard and they're stressed out. That's what's causing anxiety. But anxiety could be brought on just because of their social influences. The people they surround themselves, the conversations they're getting and the types of food they're eating, the type of environment that they're exposing themselves to. And in some cases that I've worked on with people who have chronic anxiety, it's because they don't spend enough time in nature.

Nature is such an element because your.

Body'S made of elements of the same thing that's found in nature. So when your body goes into nature, your body goes and replenishes its natural element and then resurfaces all new things in your body. And so if you were a person who has anxiety, that anxiety would be retaken out as well. Kind of like cleaning out, you know, the coffers and putting in new things. Right. So.

So the thing is, in Order to.

Deal with anxiety is to first start paying attention to what's actually causing you to feel a flare up. We call flare ups are moments where you feel an antsiness or uncomfortableness coming over you. Pay attention to those moments, really pinpoint them and utilize those flare ups as an opportunity to see what are the triggers to those anxieties that are happening inside of you are because of those flare ups, right? So the more flare ups you have, the higher your anxiety is going to go. So if you keep going back to the same thing that's affecting you, it keeps sending a signal to your body that you're being, you're under attack.

So like, it would be like literally.

Me taking you to something that scares you or like petrifies you. It could be like, you know, someone who's afraid of spiders or ravaging wolf or however you want to say it. And you know, and I put you in front of the wolf and all of a sudden you're like, oh my God, like why are you doing this? Oh my God, get me out of here.

I don't want to be in here. All of a sudden your body feels.

Like it's being attacked because you're being put into an energy energetic situation that is not in harmony with you and where you are at that time, be it mentally, emotionally, whatever. And then I do it again the next day, and then I do it again the next day, and then I do it again the next day. All of a sudden, six months later, you have cancer, right? That's because you have broken down your body and created so much inflammation and rise of cortisol and all of these chemical imbalances affecting your hormonal system and creating all of this imbalance in your endocrine system. Because your body is feeling constantly at threats, so your adrenaline is being drained.

All of these things are happening.

It's affecting your kidneys. And so what happens is you will develop a lot of problems. You can develop all kinds of health problems, psoriasis, you name it.

Anxiety is just the beginning stages of your alert system, saying, hey, whatever you're.

Exposing yourself to, whatever you're doing in your life, change it. It is not in harmony with this being right? I can't believe, you know how many people I've helped with chronic anxiety just by pinpointing and finding out what those things are and then changing it. And all of a sudden like one woman was, had anxiety and she was in anxiety attacks and had to go on medication and all, all this stuff and she had no idea that the reason why she was having anxiety was because she kept dealing with her mother in law every week. And her mother in law was so erratic and so this and so that, but that felt like a constant attack on her. And so every week the mother in law would come over and she felt like she was constantly being under attack because of the way she was seeing it and the way she was experiencing it.

So what I did was shift the.

Way she was seeing the relationship shift the way that she was experiencing. And all of a sudden her anxiety attacks went away.

Why?

Because her body didn't see it as a threat anymore. Her alert system wasn't ringing that alarm all the time. Every time you feel that charge. That's because your alarm, your internal alarm system is going off saying, danger, danger, danger. That's why I was. I love such a sci fi freak. Danger, danger, danger, Will Robinson. Right. That's your body communicating that to you as well.

Well, totally, yes. And I think for a lot of us, the things that are causing us anxiety are our jobs. And that's just a clear sign that that's not the place that you need to stay or it's not your job. Yeah, yeah. Or so how do you have them reshape like their relationship with that thing that's causing anxiety?

I mean, it's not even a reshaping, it's just stop doing it and do something that is like for seeing the.

Mother in law, does she have.

Well, you know, her whole thing was.

That the mother in law would come over and be like, oh, I can't believe you're serving them these almonds. I can't believe you make sandwiches like that. Oh, this is how you do it. And then she make the sandwich for the kids and then put it in their thing and like every. Oh, I can't believe this. Oh, I can't believe that you have, you know, this is how you make the soup for the kids. And what. So she saw it as in her mind, the way she was receiving it was that you're a bad mother, you're not a good mother, you're not a good mother, you're not a good mother. Which is bringing up her shadow, which was her, her biggest fear was, am I going to be a good mother to my kids? Am I going to be loved by my husband and by people by showing that I'm a good mother? Because her whole thing is about being a good mother. So where inside of herself she feels that she's not a good mother to herself. Right. That she's not good Mother, she's not mothering herself, taking care of herself. So I said, what you have to do is realize you have to shift the energy that you're looking at and shift it into the fact that your mother in law is saying those things because she doesn't get to have kids anymore. Right.

But she loves so much being a.

Mother that she gets to now live it through you having kids. And so instead of you taking it personally and making it about you, just.

Be like, thank you so much and.

Thank you for the energy and the love you show. And you know, you're such a wonderful mother and like, I'm so happy to learn from you and all of this stuff. And that's it, that's all she wants to hear. It's not a big deal. She just wants to be able to experience being a mom again. It's not that she's putting you down, she's just saying these things that she just wants to show that she knows how to be a mom. And once she did that and shifted, that everything shifted.

Yes. And it goes back to even what you were teaching us yesterday about like pushing your own energy onto someone. And when someone's coming forth with you with lower vibration energy, like bringing that joy, that compassion, that understanding, and their energy shifts.

Absolutely. Pushing is amazing shamanic skill.

So can you explain to us a little bit about what pushing is?

I mean, I can explain it, yeah. I mean it's so much better to learn it and experience it. But basically what pushing is, is it's using your emotional empathic energy to generate an emotional or thought inside of you that is contrary to the energy that you're experiencing on the outside and then push it over to the person and holding it there and until their energy shifts and it's really powerful. And when you practice it and you get more stronger at it, you can walk into a room and literally change the whole molecule structure of the room to pure vibrational energy of pure love. And everyone in the room will begin to feel it the same way that people do when they're being negative and they're spewing their emotions in the room. And you can walk into a room and feel like you walked into a dark closet cloud. That's because they pushed all their negative energy into the room so that you can feel their suffering. And a lot of people use that as a way to say, I'm not going to tell people that I'm hurt. What I'm going to do is help them to feel it. So I'm going to push my energy into the room, and then I'm going to make it so known that whoever's around me is going to feel my pain. But that's a dysfunctional emotional person. It's very dysfunctional behavior. And we want. Want to be functional beings operating in a functional way that brings sustainable joy and happiness in our lives, and that's not going to be the thing that does it. So, yeah, shamanic pushing is wonderful. I've had a kick of using it most of my life in so many major situations.

I love it. Yes. You told us the story about you being in the subway and then basically changing the light kind of of like dark, angry energy in a subway into, like, everyone just started bursting out in laughter.

Yeah. In Berlin. Yeah.

Putting that energy out there. Well, thank you so much for sharing so much wisdom with us. So many listeners love your work. They love your Instagram lives. And you just came out with a podcast, too.

Can you tell us about that? I did. And, you know, it's funny, because you inspired me and Jordan Younger inspired me. I got to this point where I really want to be able to just put the power back in people's hands and give them information that is suitable to the development of their lives, that is usable and tangible now. And so I decided to create a podcast called Ancient Wisdom Today, and it basically is me teaching them about ancient knowledge in shamanism and different knowledge from different cultures that are utilized in old times, but are brought back in a more modern way that helps them to facilitate change in their life in a very quick and efficient way without all of, like, you know, having to spend your whole life in therapy and really to really understand deep meanings of yourself, deep meanings of others, deep meanings of our planets, deep meanings of energy and spirituality, and really have a fun time doing it. And also bringing on different guests, like different types of public figures, celebrities, doctors, chemists, different people coming on and sharing their knowledge and their understanding of, you know, what they do and really bringing it to the public. So that, again, like I said, you know, we can't be codependent beings anymore upon a system that isn't really for us, and we can't be beings on the planet who are operating out of consciousness. And I really believe that Ancient Wisdom today is. Is really about putting the power back in people's hands. Stories have a way to change people's lives, and they have been done since the centuries when stories first began and the tribes first began. So I'm creating a tribe on my podcast of Ancient Wisdom Today to create those stories. With beautiful, intellectual, playful and just awe inspiring information to really bring change. And so yeah, it's been, I'm really excited. It got launched a couple days. Our first guest was Liam Rhymes and we have just wonderful, wonderful people who you've been, you know, just wanting to participate and I can't wait to get you on as well. And yeah, it's, I'm excited for all of it. I know it's going to change the lives of so many people who, you know, choose to sign up and get involved and be a part of the tribe.

Well, thank you so much for making this podcast, for your Instagram post, for your work workshops, for all of the amazing content you put out there that's really like changing the vibration. I mean, I told you LA has changed since you've come like in the past, like one or two months that you've been here. I've just noticed such a difference and so many people that I know have done sessions with you and have learned from you and I'm like fully here saying if you like my podcast, you like what I'm talking about.

Out.

Please go follow Shaman Durek because he's someone that I look up to so much. The healing session I did with him today really went so deep, deeper than I've ever gotten before. And he's seriously the real deal, but also just so light hearted and funny and cool and it's like 11pm and we're still talking and I've been here since 3pm and that's the kind of person he is.

I love it. I love it. You know I told you I can kidnap. I feel like I have a kidnapping quality. I just like, we'll just talk and you'll just like we'll just have the best time ever. It's always about, it's about having fun.

You know, we have Rockstar Shaman sleeping on the couch.

Alison Charles, Rockstar Shaman. Bye bye. Alison Charles. Alison Charles. Oh yeah, yeah. And you know, it's lovely. I'm surrounded by two powerful ladies and I thank you too. I remember the first time we connected and I felt, felt such a grace and feeling of get to be in your life again. So also, I never got to tell.

You, but I'll tell you this on the podcast, we, I think we've known each other from past life. When you were a Persian king.

Yeah.

Yes, because I'm Persian and many of my lives have been there.

So yeah, I was known as the Fire King, but I was a little bit ruthless back then, but might have been too. Yeah.

Probably.

Probably.

We were actually dictators in that life.

But I definitely believe that's why I do a lot of work in Muslim culture, because I am I honestly in a lot of cultures actually, because I know as the when I was a Persian king, I used to go and raid a lot of cultures and still, you know, kill off their men and steal their wives and do all this, you know, things and use that as a form of power and prestige. So I believe that there's a lot of learning, you know, that I've gained from a lot of the lives that I've lived here on earth. And now that I get to be in this embodiment as a shaman, get to utilize all that knowledge and share it with people and, well, your energy.

And your love is so transparent. So thank you so much for being here.

Thank you for having me. Let's have a love celebration across the nation. Yes.

Wow.

How full power was that interview? Shaman Durek is a force to be reckoned with. He is the real deal. Bright light. Love his energy so much. And I hope this interview made you feel empowered and ready to take on your life and really serve as your highest self. If you liked this episode as a free gift, I would love to offer you the first half of my unreleased book, Eat Right for your Mind Body Type, which is now part of my Eat Right for your mind body type 12 week program. So to get the book, all you have to do is leave a review for this episode or this podcast on the other itunes store. Head over to itunes, click Write a review, write down something nice for me, take a screenshot of it before you hit submit and email it over to me at Sahara S A H A R aattfeelfresh.com and I will send you the first half of my unreleased book, Eat Right for your Mind Body Type, which is not Eat Feel Fresh, the book that's coming out in October. Again, this book is never going to be released to the public because it's now part of my program. But if you want the first half of the free, all you got to do is leave a review and that helps me get more amazing guests like Shaman Durek. Namaste.

J.