070: The WILD Habits That Will Change Your Life with Tara Mackey

Namaste, it's Sahara Rose. And welcome back to the Highest Self podcast, a place where we discuss what makes you your soul's highest evolvement. I just had the most amazing conversation which you're about to listen to with my dear friend Tara Mackey. She is seriously such an inspiration. Oh my gosh. Just her story. You're gonna hear it on the podcast. But just a few little fun facts. She grew up in New York. Her mom was addicted to many hard drugs and ended up losing custody over her. And she was raised by her grandparents and she ended up taking a road trip to LA with $300 to her name because she wanted to start fresh. Why she shares with us in this episode. This is my second time interviewing her on Highest Self Pod. She was actually one of the first interviews. If you go back to the very beginning, I think it's episode six. But she growing up with a drug addicted mother, living on food stamps, living in severe poverty in New York, she was diagnosed with depression, anxiety. They even told her she had bipolarism and she was on over 14 Rx prescription medications and she was basically told that you know, these are things, things that you're gonna have to live on for the rest of your life. And these medications made her go numb. You know, you feel lethargic and tired and you become so kapha when you're really under all of these heavy psychiatric medications. And one day spirit came through her and basically told her you need to get off all of them cold turkey. So she literally came off 14 prescription medications cold turkey which most people would die doing. And she doesn't recommend everyone go and do that. That's just her story and road trip to la, no money under her name, worked different jobs and found her love in nature and self healing and meditation and living an organic life. And she ended up starting this blog, the Organic Life Blog and now has a natural skincare company, Genetics, which is amazing and is a really good friend of mine. So I'm so excited to share her with you on this episode again. You can listen to more of her background story on one of the first times I interviewed her in the first few episodes when she wrote her book Cured by Nature. But this book is about the habits that she in place in her life that changed her life and made her become who she is right now. So whether you are in a place where you aren't sure what you want to do or maybe you have dealt with anxiety, depression or any spectrum in between, it's really going to help you. So I'm So excited to share this episode with you, and thank you. First, I would love to share the sponsor of this episode, which really goes with the theme of healing your mind. And that's uvada. And uvada is a modernized ayurvedic supplement company that essentially helps alleviate whatever issue you got going on with Ayurvedic herbs and modern nutrients. So they have a mood formula, which I take every single day, which has different ayurvedic herbs such as ashwagandha, which is an adaptogen, meaning it works with whatever your body, and different common ones like saffron and bacopa and things all for your mood. So this is a really great one that goes really well with this episode because their mood formula is something that the founder, Gunny, who I also interviewed, episode 51, I think, about his depression, anxiety, and how his father, who was an ayurvedic physician, gave him these herbs to basically heal himself. So there are options out there available for us that we can naturally cure ourselves with nature. So check out the mood formula from UVAID and you can find that on uvada.com you can use the code Sahara, S A H A R A to get 35% off your order. Yes, you heard that right. 35% off your order, which is an amazing way to try out the product, see how it works with you. It really just takes one month to notice the difference, and you're gonna love it. Now, without further ado, I introduce to you the amazing Tara Mackey, author, everything great friend, great person, inspiration, and you're gon love her wisdom on this episode. Namaste. Namaste. Welcome, Tara, to the Highest Self podcast. It's so great to have you here.

Thank you so much. I'm so excited to chat with you again.

Oh, my God. Well, you were my first interview ever, so can't believe it's been a year. And I have been so enjoying watching your journey and this new book coming out and just your skincare line and your breast enhancement serums and all the amazing things you're doing. You're such a queen.

Oh, thank you. I feel the same way. I feel like we've both evolved so much over the last year. I'm so excited to chat with you again.

Yes. And it's just the beginning.

Yeah, I know.

So the first question I'd love to ask you is, what makes you your highest self?

Oh, you know, right now, it's really about releasing my true power. And for me, I think that's why, you know, in the new book that's part of the subtitle because that's just been a huge theme in my life for the last, really the last two years, since the first book came out of just showing up for myself every single day no matter what. Because I feel like the more I do that, the easier that becomes. So the more loving and self loving action and healthy actions that I take towards myself, the easier it becomes to do that every day because I become a healthier, more mindful person. And so it's just this, this wonderful feedback loop that makes me my highest self.

So beautiful and so simple. I think we over complicate it a lot of times. Yeah. So your new book, Wild Habits is all about the habits that truly transformed your life. So I'd love for you, for people who haven't listened to the first episode, to give a little backstory about who you are, where you came from and how you came to write this book. Totally.

I would love to do that. So in 2011, I actually came off of 14 pharmaceuticals cold turkey, many of which I'd been on since I was a kid. In the early 2000s, as a 13 year old, I received my first diagnosis and put on a very heavy duty mood stabilizer called lithium. And this was after I had experienced childhood trauma. I had both my parents were drug addicts and alcoholics. I was adopted by my grandparents and I grew up in a very chaotic and melancholy situation. And I grew up in New York, but we were, you know, lower middle class. And it was very hard to kind of keep up with the Joneses and also deal with all of this chaos that was happening within my family. So When I was 13, I received my first diagnosis, kind of based on the fact that even though I was presented with all of these kind of depressing situations day in and day out, I never really got depressed in the fact that of course I would be pissed about what was going on, but I always had this positive attitude. And so I was diagnosed as bipolar, of course, because how can you be happy in the face of tragedy? And after that, I was diagnosed with ADD and put on another drug. I was diagnosed with juvenile rheumatoid arthritis and scoliosis and put on another drug. I was diagnosed with anxiety and put another. And then by the time I was 24 in 2011, like I mentioned, I was on 14 different pharmaceuticals for basically everything you can name everything from birth control to antidepressants to Valium, Xanax, painkillers, nerve blockers. And I decided after a series of tragic events in my life Kind of led me to the conclusion that my habits were what had really played a large role in my. In my life, in my sadness. And the fact that I was relying on all these pills, in the fact that all of my relationships were toxic, and my work relationships were toxic, and my work environment and my home environment and my personal environments were all toxic. My family relationships were toxic. And I needed to start over. And the best way to do that was to examine the habits that I had had throughout my life that I'd never really thought twice about. And for me, the number one habit that I'd never really thought twice about was the fact that I was taking these pills every single day and just kind of cross my fingers and hoping that they would do something. And really what they were doing was they were putting me in the hospital. I was getting septic organ infections because my liver was not functioning. And they never really provided the answers that they always kind of pinky promised of, like, relief, you know, I never experienced any relief. In fact, many of the medications that I was on would augment the effects of what I was feeling, so they would augment the pain or sadness or anxiety. And it was when I came to the conclusion that taking these pills was my most toxic habit is when I decided to come off of them cold turkey.

That's, you know, I know you're like, one of my close friends, and still every time I hear this story, I'm like, how did you do it? Because I just see people who are in such similar situations of being in a toxic household environment and just having so many excuses of why they can't leave. And that's even without any. Any medications, anything like. And they still can't do it. And the fact that you had all of these things really going against you, every reason to say, oh, well, fuck it, I'm never going to be successful. I'm never going to be happy. I'm never. And you still went through it. It's like, do you think that, like, there was, like, a greater soul mission, like, or a higher spiritual purpose of all of this? Like, what is your perspective on it now, looking back on it?

That's a really great question. I definitely believe all of that. And in the moment, I kind of knew why I was doing what I was doing, but I had no idea. Like, so many of the things that I do on a daily basis were just dreams, you know, like literal dreams I would have while I was going through withdrawal. And you're right, I had every single excuse to wake up every morning and Go like, what the fuck am I doing? First of all, when I came off my drugs seven years ago, nobody was coming off their drugs. So nobody would have faulted me for going back on anything, because nobody knew that this was a thing you could do. You know what I mean? Like, doctors had told me I was gonna die if I did this. And P.S. i almost did. So don't do it. I mean, it's not. This is not the plan. This is just my story. And the how is why I wrote the book. So I had every excuse in the world. I didn't have a path. I didn't have a guideline, even. I didn't have a single solitary person in my life when I started this journey saying, tara, you're doing the right thing or you're gonna be successful, or this is gonna have a place in your life or you're gonna be happy. Nobody was saying that to me. But the more I put in the work, I started to attract people that were saying those things to me that were going like, this is the most fucking amazing thing I've ever seen anyone do. And, yeah, you're throwing up 15 times a day, but, like, you're not going back to what you know is an addiction, even though everyone around you is telling you it's fine. Nobody would have faulted me for being on these drugs. Doctors had told me to be on these drugs. But when I stopped doing that one thing, when I stopped that bad habit of taking the drugs every single day, I had to seriously start looking at everything else that I was doing, Right? Once I faced the number one toxic thing in my life, then I was like, okay, well, what's number two? Well, number two is my relationships with people. Okay, let's fix that. Number three is my relationship with myself. Okay, let's fix that. Like, I'm not reading the right books. I'm not doing the right things. I'm not working at the right job. I have to fix all of this stuff. And the how is the method that's presented in the book. It took me a while, definitely, and I've had a lot of contemplation about why and what the higher purpose is. And I honestly feel like this work, you know, my last work and every work that comes in the future is definitely the higher purpose. Because I literally have to go through and go like, okay, how did I do this? And then how have I. Through my coaching and helping other people and through my work and my blog and everything. What are the really true steps that worked for everyone and how Do I make that into a book that people can then use, you know what I mean, to apply it to their lives? And so it's been this larger project of self reflection. And for me, that's the higher purpose. You know, there's a higher purpose for other people. Like, of course I get to help other people and that's the basis of my job and that's amazing. But like through doing this work, I also get to help myself and become a better person and give back in bigger ways. And it has so many higher purposes that I feel like every single time I showed up for myself is now reflected in my day to day life. And that's why sometimes I'm like, I kind of feel guilty because I'm like, I'm not doing as much work as I used to do, but things are still coming to me at a rapid pace. And I have to remind myself that like, you put in the work for years, girl. Like, you put in the work when nobody knew who you was. And like, nobody, you know, you had no guarantee that this was going to be successful and you had no idea that somebody was gonna offer you a book deal and you had no idea that people were gonna care about your message or desperately need this. Like, people now desperately need this message because so many people are addicted to drugs or in terrible family situations or coping with trauma or don't know how to get through the next day. And like, that is such a beautiful reward for putting in hard work.

And I just wanna say you still put in a lot of work.

Don't get it twisted.

She isn't just cruising around the beaches like on her Instagram stories. You are so, still so hardworking and so really determined to get this message out there.

So most of our conversations start before 9:00am so, you know, I'm always ready.

What's your front strategy? But it's that passion behind it. And yeah, it's something that's truly God universe source given.

Oh yeah, totally. And like even both my books, like, every time, like I was, of course, because we were about to do this interview today. Like, I, you know, the book's 300 pages. I like to take a nice look at it before we start. And I'm always just like, like every time I turn a page I'm like, who wrote this? Like, I know it was me. I know I wrote it. I don't have any ghostwriters. I wrote every single word.

But it's like how I know that exact feeling. It's like something, something came over you and wrote the book through you.

Yes, that's exactly what it feels like.

That's how you know you're in Kriya. You're in your higher purpose.

Exactly. And I love it. What's so funny about you saying that is that Kriya is the first yoga that I ever got into through Yogananda. And what really spoke to me about Kriya was that it. Is that it'? Meditation. Of course, you have your very deep meditations and your breathing exercises, which are amazing and changed my life. But the concept of Kriya is to connect to your body and connect to your creative flow. That's the part of my practice that I feel like keeps showing up is like, I can't. Not when I get into my meditations and I ask, what am I supposed to be doing? The answer is so clear. Every time you need to be writing, you need to be creating, you need to be making music, you need to be helping people. Every single time. It never changes. And so as long as that's what I'm getting up and doing every day, I feel like I'm fulfilling my purpose. I don't know what else there is.

Totally, absolutely. And you're tapped into that source energy that it's just moving through you effortlessly. You're still doing the work, but it's like, you can have these days that you're like, oh, my God, I've just been, like, creating and creating. But you still are tapped into this even endless source of energy that there's more to come.

Yes. And that's the law. Like, I talk in the new book about the Law of manifestation or the Law of attraction, whatever you want to call it. I like to call it the Law of manifestation because I think that's really what it is. Like, when you start attracting things to yourself, that's when you begin manifesting. That's what it is. It's turning thoughts into things.

Absolutely. So I'd love to know what were some of the first habits that you integrated into your life to kind of switch from this unhappy state into a more vibrant one.

So what's, like, ironic about the fact that I'm an author right now and I write about this stuff is that, like, books, like, books were number one thing that really just started kind of literally falling off my shelf. Like, literally. I was tripping over books that I would pick up and be like, oh, wow, I need to read this. And it was a book on natural healing or a book on yoga, or even fiction books. Like, I ended up reading the Alchemist, which Is while it's fiction, it's, like, very much about finding your spiritual path and accepting your true gifts and coming back to who you truly are. And I just started really finding things that were already in my environment, things I already owned, that all of a sudden I started to really see. And I feel like when you change your habits, that's what happens, is the universe kind of helps you and starts showing up for you because you're putting in the work to get better. And so you're recognizing when things are kind of starting to come into your path that are tools to get better on your mission to wherever you're going. And for me, one of the first things was books, and one of my first habits was reading and then writing. Like, I can hardly read a chapter of a book without getting inspired to write something.

I feel the same way. I, like, really, I can't read because I just want to keep writing.

I'm like, oh, I have an idea.

I'm like, now I see.

Or like I said, underline everything until I'm like, I gotta go, right? Yeah, you can't do this myself anymore. I knew you would get it, because it's like, I don't know. I feel like, yeah, I knew you were kind of the same way because it's just every line is inspiration. Then it's also kind of like, it's not that I get jealous, but I'm just like, I want to make more books. Why am I reading more books?

I think it's important because when you get to a point that you obviously have to read a lot of books to get the inspiration, but eventually you get to the point that the inspiration is inside of you. And really, we're all saying the same thing, just in our different framework. So sometimes we have to focus on creating more content than we consume, because then we can get so much stuck into other people's narratives.

I love that. I really, really love that. And I also think that, you know, even though we're all saying a lot of the same things in different ways, like, how beautiful is it to keep reading it in different ways? And so when I read something and I get inspired to go write it a different way or put my own spin on it or, oh, my God, that reminds me of a story that happened to a client or a family member or myself, and, God, it would be great if I could share that, because I'm sure somebody would really, really appreciate that. That's what I love about having a blog, too. And I'm sure what you love about Having a blog and a podcast is like, we don't have to wait for our next book to come out to share those stories and that inspiration and everything. Because, God, a book takes two years.

Exactly. Yes.

So I want to get it out now. I want to start talking about CBD now or whatever it is, or start helping people today. I think that's so wonderful about what we do, is so much of the information we get to just share for free. Free. And I don't care. I've been doing this for free since the beginning. Like, I'm. I feel very lucky that I now get paid for a lot of it. But, like, I will always do this for free. Like, sharing knowledge is your greatest gift, for sure.

And I think it's like, so many people are like, how can I make money as a blogger? How can I make money as a podcaster? I'm like, okay, start doing it. Put in the work. It's like, you have to put out so much free content to build a tribe of people that eventually you can monetize it. And by the way, the monetization is not going to come from the people reading it. It's going to come from someone else.

Who wants more hard work where you gotta find the people who want to pay you.

Yeah, exactly. So I think it's like, if you're going into wanting to be a writer or blogger or podcaster for money, you're go somewhere else. Go sell stocks. This is not the right career path for you.

I totally agree.

Yeah.

And I believe, like, that the more value you deliver, you know, the more people will be willing to pay you and work with you and. But you're gonna have to do that for free for a really long time. And I don't mind. I mean, I. You know, I had a. I was on LiveJournal when I was 14. Like, I've been sharing content for free. I'm like, OG free content share.

I was on LiveJournal, too.

Yeah. Oh, my God. Awesome.

Yeah. MySpace. That's like, how I learned how to code. Okay. So I love that, and I totally resonate. I think a lot of people listening. These people listening are the people who want to be content creators. They want to be leaders in the industry. So I'd love to know more. What are your wild habits? What makes them important? What is this whole wild method?

Okay, so your wild habits are habits that you do that propel your life forward. And the way that you make sure that you are doing that is by using what I call the wild method. Now, WILD is an acronym. It stands for Willingness, Intuition, Love and discipline. And so to change any of our habits, we need to be willing to recognize what bad habit we're indulging in right now. We need to have the intuition to realize what the next step to take is to change that habit into something that will actually propel our lives forward. We need to take the self loving action once we've recognized what the new habit is, to actually go forward and do it. And then we need the discipline to do that over and over and over again until it actually becomes a new habit. Right, because doing something one time doesn't make it a new habit. That's why people work out for short periods of time or change their diet or switch over to supplements. And then once the supplement bottle ends or, you know, they get busy or they wake up late, it's just, it kind of falls off the wagon. And so without the discipline, the other steps don't work. But together you can literally overcome. I mean, and I share stories in the book of people overcoming everything from, you know, childhood trauma and abuse to just being a better mom, showing up as a better person in the morning, being a better business woman. I share a story in the book of somebody who literally overcame, you know, childhood molestation to then use her story to propel her life forward in the direction of her dreams, rather than using it as an excuse, which she'd been doing for a very, very long time and is very, very easy for people to do. So for me, like you asked in the beginning, I had, and still have, if I really wanted to, every excuse in the world to say, no, I had a shitty childhood. No, I was put on drugs, you know, by doctors and just basically to hate everybody, you know what I mean? And everything and not. But for me, it's about leading with kindness. So, like my wild habits are things like just fucking being kind to people. Because you never know what people's story is, ever. And it's hard. You just came back from New York, you know, I'm a New Yorker. I spent 25 years in New York. That culture is not about kindness. That is last on the list. Everyone's amazing and they're beautiful people and they're hustlers and they know how to work and they're driven, but they're not very kind. And so I really had to learn how to be kind to people. I had to learn how to take the time to do things like meditate, which I call your secret superpower, which I have a whole chapter on. I Had to learn how to do things like accept that I deserve happiness and a better life and that I deserve the things that are my wildest dreams. Right. Because that's what really holds us back is the idea that we don't deserve it. And so our habits are doing. I mean, it's things we're already doing every single day. It's just kind of taming them. Right. So we already have to eat food every single day. But when we get mindful about what we're putting in our bodies and why that's a beautiful wild habit. We have to interact with people every single day. But once we're choosing who those people are and we're choosing what to let into our mind and our subconscious, like, that's a beautiful new wild habit. So these are the steps that I outline in the book. And I also use examples for things that have worked for me. And then I just do those every single day. I know I need to go on a walk every single day. I know I need to go on a hike every day. I know I need to write and create and do something that makes me feel fulfilled every single day. But we all need that. But it's different for everybody. So the reason that the book is 270something pages is because I wanted to put pretty much everything in there so that you can kind of pick and choose what works for you and what examples make sense in your life and then just start applying it and see where it goes.

I love that so much. And I think it's so important for people to pick and choose because there's so much advice out there. And everyone has like, that one thing that changed my life and that might not change your life. And everyone is so different. And what you need, you know, what was working for you last year may not work for you this year. So it's like, I think advice is like a buffet. And it's like, just pick, put one on your plate what serves you and ignore the rest. And maybe it will work for you tomorrow.

Yeah, I love that. And like, maybe it'll work for you five years from now. Exactly. But like, like definitely just figuring out. And so many examples in the book. And I see this now that this is kind of my work. I see this so much with people is just changing one habit. Not going for that coffee run in the morning, like little things, or putting your running shoes out at night so that they're just by your bed in the morning, like little things can change your whole day. And then once that adds up, that changes Your whole life. And then it starts to affect other areas of your life and show up in other beautiful ways. And then you attract people who are doing the same things as you. And, you know, you find wonderful new friendships. And, like, I just think it's amazing how changing literally one thing can change everything.

Absolutely. And I love that, you know, there's so many just little things, like from your running shoes or taking that walk outside, that one little thing will really change. You'll notice, like, oh, my God, my life turned around last October. And it's like, why. It's like, oh, I started to walk outside first 20 minutes a day.

Yeah.

And that changed everything.

Yes. And I always, you know, I. What I share in my stories and stuff a lot is like, my employees and I take a lot of walks together because that's. I work outside. Like, if you. I always FaceTime and stuff for my meetings or Skype. And if you Skype with us, we're like, always outside because, you know, why the hell not? I live in San Diego, and, like, I've built this company and I wanted to reflect what. But I feel like will really keep everybody happy. And why not be? I can't preach vitamin D and sunshine therapy to people and then keep them indoors. Like, that's crazy. If we can work outside, we always do. We just ate lunch outside. And I just think, you know, I. Like, my college was very much like that Bennington. Like, we had a lot of our classes outside, but my high school was very much not like that. Like, we had, like, bars on the windows. You know what I mean? So it was a private school. So I feel like it's just really important to. Once you change one little thing, you really. It ends up affecting everybody around you, and then you can build a whole life from it.

Totally couldn't agree more. And you're, like, reminding me I really need to go take a walk outside, which I'll go do after this. But that was, like, one of the biggest reasons of why I moved to the West Coast. Just being able to go outside throughout the year. Like, when you're somewhere so cold, it's like outside hurts your skin. That, like, when you're outside, it's like you're almost fighting yourself to be out there. That it's like, guys, you don't have to live forever. Where you grew up, you're able to move. Anyone can move. So I mean, you, like, took a bus with, like, how much dollars in your pocket?

And I road tripped up here with $300 in my pocket, which the more I think about it, I'm just like.

What, so you just road tripped from New York? You're like, yeah, I'm just gonna move to California. I have $300.

I've never road tripped. I'd never been to Los Angeles. I'd never seen the apartment that I was going to. Like, I just went for it, dude. Well, because worst case scenario, what do you do? You turn around and go back home. Like, there's really. If I can get out there with $300 and all I need is $300 to get home. So, like, and I'm sure if I call my family or whatever, like, I'll be able to get that. That's not. Or if I work for a month, I can make 300 bucks and come home. Like, it's. It's not going to be. It is what you make it. And that road trip, honestly, was one of the first things that. That was a habit in and of itself of just like, okay, adventure. Everything is an adventure now, because if it's not, I'm not going to do any of it. You know what I mean? I'll never pack my stuff. I cried so much packing my stuff in New York. You have no idea. Because I'd been there for 25 years. I'd never known anything different. And I had no guarantee that any of this was going to work out. My biggest dream was honestly to play music on the west coast, which was realized within the first two months I was in la. I had a residency at the House of Blues, and I was kind of like, all right, now what do I do? Damn. All right. That was quick, huh? But it's so cool because it's like once you start knocking them down, you just get to set higher goals and just keep doing the thing. It's wonderful.

Totally. And I think it's just for people just. Just taking that first initial step, that's the scariest part of that, stepping into the unknown. But once you start just like living it and you put your all into it and, you know, in a way, having only $300 to your name is a blessing because it's sort of like, if I don't make this work out, like, there's no plan B. Yeah, I.

Didn'T have a plan B. I didn't have. I barely had a plan A. My plan A was like, meditate, save the world. Like, that was like. It wasn't very solid. It didn't involve making money. It didn't involve even really having a place to live. It was just like, okay, you know what if I do the right thing? My grandma used to always tell me, if you do the right thing, everything will work out. And I never really understood what that meant as a kid. I got the basic concept of it, but I just started living it and I totally get it. And the Wild method, honestly, is all the steps we're talking about. It's having the willingness to recognize I need to do something differently and then the intuition to know what that different thing is. And then this love to accept what that means for me in just that situation alone. It was like, okay, I'm gonna move across. I need to be willing to move because where I've been living forever is definitely not working. And I can't. I could see that I was either I was holding myself back, my environment was holding me back, the people around me were holding me back from what I really felt like I deserved. And without getting out of that environment, at least for a little while, it was gonna be really hard to change. And then I needed the intuition to know, like, okay, where do I live if I really want to have the best possible life experience and live all of my dreams? And then I had to make the self loving action to actually start taking the steps to do that. And then I had to have the discipline to actually get my ass across the country and move into some place I'd never seen before and then put my stuff down and go, okay, now what? And then basically do it all over again. And so once I recognize that every single self loving action that's gotten me to my wildest dreams, that's made me have to set bigger dreams and bigger goals because they just keep getting checked off the list was the same method over and over and over again. Like I had to write about it. There's no end. I was looking. You know, I've read a lot of books on habits, as I'm sure you have too. And no offense, but 99.9% of them are all written by men. And I felt like it was very important to have a woman, especially a woman, you know, an entrepreneurial woman who owns her own business and came from literally absolutely nothing. I grew up on food stamps with no money whatsoever. Perspective on how to use habits to change your life. I felt like that was something people really needed in the world. And so I really hope it helps people as much as it's helped me and my clients and friends and people whose stories I share.

Absolutely. And I think why I resonate with you so much and a lot of the listeners to this podcast is you bring in the action and the alignment, the intuition and the. The discipline. Because I feel like a lot of the super spiritual talk is like, oh, just dream about it. It will happen. You manifest it, and we'll show up in front of your. Your door. Like, you know, and it's like, yeah.

I mean, your videos are cute. Good luck.

Yeah. And. And people buy it because it's such a great, you know, concept. Oh, I just have to think about a Ferrari and it will show up. Oh, I just have to meditate on money flying in my window. And it'll come. And it's like, okay, no. And then there's the discipline and the discipline that you actually need, which is what a lot of the more spiritual people are sort of afraid of. But that's what the really entrepreneurial stuff. It's all about the discipline, discipline. But there's no intuition, there's no spirit there. It's like all about the get things done, maximum impact. And it's like you need to blend the two. That's the only way forward.

Yeah. And you can't just do what someone else is doing. I feel like a lot of what the people in our space provide, and no offense to any of them, I think all this spiritual businesses and the coaching businesses and everything are incredible and they've helped. Helped so many people. But, like, I wouldn't feel comfortable just saying, like, just do what I did and it'll work out for you. You know what I mean? Like, I would need to work with every single person individually and make sure that that's what aligns with their life at the moment, or I wouldn't feel comfortable charging them any amount of money. And so that's why I felt much better about coming up with a method that I know as many situations as I can, not only apply to it logically, but have seen it work for in my life. I felt far more comfortable with that. And. And because the steps are. It's not about making money or being more popular, even starting a business or whatever, it will help you do all of those things. But the goal is whatever you want the goal to be. I'm not selling a specific goal in mind. We all have habits that don't serve us. I still do. I'm not perfect. I still have to examine every single day. But if I didn't have this method to do that, it'd be a lot more difficult. And so for me, it's about just providing people with another method to step back and go, like, okay, I need to change something because nothing's ever perfect. So if I want to change and improve, how am I going to do it? Okay, let me go back to this method and start with being willing to see what I need to improve and then move forward.

Totally. And I think it's really good to have a method. It's also good for people who want to be authors to have something that's. This is the method, like the 12 step theory or something like that. Because it's like when I think of you now, I think wild habits, it's like a thing. And I think it's really smart of you to have something like that. It's something that, it's like a template that people can plug in their own life into.

Yeah, yeah. And I live it every day too. Like for me it's about. And I think by living it, then that's more of the example. Like I said, it's just this self perpetuating loop of loveliness of the more I live it, the more I get to see how it works as an example in my life and other people's lives. The more other people pick up on it, the better, you know, I get at what I do and the more I can help people, which is the true goal.

Absolutely. So I'd love to talk about one negative habit that I have and I think almost everyone listening to this podcast has and it's social media and our relationship with our phones. I mean, I'm gonna be real. I wake up and I look at my phone and I tell myself, you know, I'm just gonna check for like two seconds and then I'm gonna like go back to my whatever meditation gratefulness. But then you see that one email that changes your mood and then you just go into that automatic response mindset for the rest of the day. So how do you think we can have better relationships with social media?

So I totally agree with that. And we all do that. So definitely don't feel bad. And it's not that we all do that, but we all do that the second we start looking at our phones. Right. So you have to definitely explain. Accept that regardless of what your intention is, when you open your phone, you know you're going to get sucked in. And P.S. you're going to get sucked in for the rest of the day. Once you start, it's going to be really, really hard for you to not have that automatic response, because that's what it is. It's just our body's automatic response to whatever we've trained ourselves to look At. On our phones, on our shiny objects that we get to have now next to us. And so for me, it's about. First of all, I do not have my phone anywhere near, like, my bedroom or even. I don't normally even bring it to my top floor of my house. I don't have basically anything with, like, EMFs on the top floor of my house because that's where my bedroom is. And I charge my phone in a completely different room. And I know people are like, well, I need it for my alarm clock, et cetera. You don't. You can buy an alarm clock that hopefully, you know, any kind of alarm clock. I wouldn't have one with Bluetooth, because kind of the whole point to me is put it on airplane mode, turn off your EMFs, because that's interfering with your health, too, which. It's electromagnetic frequencies that come from cell phones that, like, are real. I don't know. You can Google it.

They're so real.

Yeah, they're so real. It's like, just. I won't get into it, but Dr. Mercola actually just did a really. He's coming out with a book, and we just spoke about it, and he's, like, the champion of this whole thing right now because they're very real. But they go away when you turn your phone on airplane mode. So I do that every single night.

They're totally gone. Are they not still lurking in the atmosphere?

He said. And I haven't gotten. I have my little necklace and my little bio blockers, which you can buy that are basically just Selenite, which blocks the emfs. Selenite is a crystal that you can buy pretty much anywhere. And I would get mine from Energy Muse, though they're amazing, he has a way to measure them, and he said when you turn your phone on airplane mode, they go down significantly. Of course, if your phone's off, they're way more down, but definitely does help. So turn your phone on airplane mode anytime you're not using it. I always do it when I'm charging it, too. So I normally. I mean, we all charge our phones overnight, I think, so that's a really good time to do it. And then do not look at your phone for an hour before you go to bed and an hour when you wake up in the morning. And I know that sounds, like, totally ridiculous and isn't realistic for a lot of people. At least people think so, but I really think we can get a lot better at it, regardless of if it's realistic or not, if we need to get to work. And we don't want to wake up an hour earlier just to not look at our phone. I totally understand. But be mindful also of why you're doing what you're doing. So I have an example in the book about a very good friend of mine, an old colleague from when I worked at Cornell, who literally got plastic surgery based on people's Instagram feeds. Like, just made a little folder of bodies she wanted to look like, and then went and got it done. And then months later, came to me and was like, why am I not happy? And I think, honestly, it's an extreme point. And of course, not everyone that goes on Instagram is going to use it as a plastic surgery body template, but it's actually very frightening how many people do. And, like, just the entire concept of the fact that we're comparing ourselves to other people. Like, we've become consumers of each other's lives. And while that's amazing, it can get really dangerous. Like, I'm very, very mindful when I go on social media about whose stories I'm looking at and whose stuff I'm, like, keeping up with. And it's a very small number. It's like you, Sahara, and, like, 10 other people, maybe, you know what I mean? Of people who I actually am, like, checking in on and, like, you know, because they inspire me. And I do it to go like, okay, this is what my community is up to, because being an author is very lonely, and I spend a lot of time not doing anything. So it's good to know what other people in our space are doing, because that just leaves, you know, room for more inspiration and opportunity for everybody. But I think becoming really mindful of why we're on it and how it's affecting us and then being willing to step away from it is really how I would start that control. Because if not, it's just this reaction that we end up just doing all day long, and it's not helping our goals, and it's not propelling us forward. I love just deleting the apps that I'm on the most every once in a while, just for a few days to just give myself a break. So it's not even there to look at that really helps the temptation factor.

Totally. So many things I resonated with, with what you just said. Yeah. Like, last year, I got this app that you can, like, unfollow like, a lot of people because I realized I was following thousands of people, because just over time, you know, we've all had Instagram for, like, what, six years?

So many thousands of people involved.

Yeah. So I just un. Followed every single person, and then I just went and refollowed the people who are like, I actually want to see, like, my true friends or just accounts that actually inspire me. Beautiful food, beautiful travel, whatever.

It was Oprah, right? Following Oprah on every platform.

Exactly. So, yeah. And for me, that's just amazing. And I'm constantly. If I see, like, there's even just a post that I don't like, it's not adding to me. I'll just unfollow that person. Because you don't have to follow everyone just because they're in your industry or you know them. Like, only follow people that are truly inspiring you to become your highest self. And if it's triggering you or something, like, just unfollow it. No one's forcing you to watch.

Yeah. And you know what? If people give you a hard time about unfollowing them? That's your reasoning, to unfollow them?

Well, the people who are like, why'd you unfollow me? It's like, why do you check every day who unfollows you like that? Like, I know there's apps you can see who unfollowed you, but, like, who has the time?

That's what I was thinking.

Like, wow, I don't want to.

I wouldn't want to do that to myself because I. It would be like a stab in the heart every day. Like, I'm good on that.

And it's like, the thing with followers is, like, followers come and go. It's like, we don't have the same followers that we had last year, five years ago. It's an ebb and flow because you're changing, and the people who are interested in you change. And sometimes, like, I'll see people who I know and they'll follow me, meaning they must have unfollowed me at some point. I'm like, okay. I guess they're. They want to hear the message now. And that's okay.

Yeah, it's totally okay. I don't get offended anymore about if people are following me or not following me. That's like. But I used to. I can't say I never did like that. Definitely. And especially in the beginning when you're like, you know, you're way less busy. That's the kind of stuff that you're really concentrating on. But I also think it's changed over time. Like, it's just the more people that are on it, like, if you really think about it. Of course, it's this social media. Like, it's out there in the Internet sphere, whatever, but. But it really is, like, energy. You know what I mean? And I have this whole chapter on the power of energy because a lot of us don't realize that we have this ripple effect. And even everything that Even social media and all these platforms that have millions of people or billions of people on them, that's a lot of energy. Yes, it's one website or it's one app or it's whatever, but that's a lot of opportunity for people to fuck with your headspace. And sometimes you just really need to take a step back from that. Because I wouldn't go to a party with 2 billion people, you know, so why the hell am I on Facebook every day? Like, it's a lot.

Exactly. And I think also it's like, if someone's really triggering you, that's an opportunity to look deeper into yourself. Because I agree, no one can really bother you. Only you can bother yourself and give them that permission to. So it's like, if someone has a perfect life and that bothers you, then you need to look at your own life and see, like, what are you not happy about? Or people are like, oh, I'm intimidated by you, or this or that. It's like, that has nothing to do with you. It has everything to do with that person.

I totally agree. And that's why I really like. You know. And I think we've both had this journey of, like, coming from where females were seen as, like, competition, or we're in a space where they feel like there are competition or whatever, and then just coming to find, like, our tribe of women who really support each other and are genuinely happy for each other. Dude, when I saw that picture of you with Oz, I was like, yes. I get so psyched when my friends manifest their dreams, because for me, it just is more confirmation that things are possible, that these beautiful things that are literally dreams the day before are actually possible the next day. And I get so stoked for other people. But it's so weird when you're around people or you hear from people that see that same thing and they get jealous or they get weird or you can tell that their support is not genuine. It's like, dude, the more you support other people that are in your space and are doing things that you've dreamed about doing, you're attracting that energy for yourself. And if you do it for no other reason than the selfishness of putting love into the universe do it for that. You know what I mean? Because you will attract such better things by being happy for other people than by being bitter that they're getting things that you want in the moment. Because we all have our time to shine. I talk in the book about the green light and how the universe works where, like, for instance, that moment that you were with Dr. Oz, like, no one else could have been with him in that moment. You know what I mean? We all have our moments of making our dreams come true. And when we're doing it, we're closing the path for other people to do it. But there's the next moment. I'm sure he was with someone else like 10 minutes later. You know what I mean? There's always an opportunity for us to manifest our dreams. And the more we are happy and thankful and grateful that it's happening for other people, the sooner we're going to attract that for ourselves.

Totally. Yes. And I see a lot of people, they want to be like the big fish in a small pond. And they purposely surround themselves by people who are not as successful as they are because they want to feel like the best one. And I'm like, no, I want to do the opposite. I want to surround myself by people who, like, amaze me and inspire me because. Because that's going to rub off on me, you know?

Yes. And there are people that are success driven and there are people that are, you know, volunteer driven and there are people that are status driven. And I feel like the people that are status driven are the people you're talking about where they always need to be, like, the person in the room that everyone knows or whatever. And you're like, that's not the point, though. Like, the point of this is that we're all helping each other and we're all equally important. And, like, I want to talk to the person that everyone knows as much as I want to talk to the person in the corner that that's clearly not having a good night. Because I want to know everyone's story because I'm there for everyone. And that doesn't make me a better person or whatever. It's just I'm not driven by status and all that stuff. And I feel like the more work you put in, the easier being that way becomes, because you realize that the happier you are for other. That's real happiness for me. I get really, really stoked when other people are living their wildest dreams. And I love that feeling. So why would I not just allow myself to feel that all the time, for sure.

And I think it's a very important habit to just, like, be mindful of who you're spending your energy with, who you're surrounding yourself with. Like, your tribe literally transforms your vibe. And I think that's, like, the biggest. I think it's, like, a huge download that we're all receiving, especially women. It's like, hello, the more tribe and sisterhood we have, the more together we'll rise up.

Yes. And it's so important right now, too. Like, as women who are, you know, we don't have kids yet, or some of our kids are very young, or, like, we're teaching each other and the next generation, like, what it means to be a woman right now. Because it's so different than it was for our parents or even people who were born in, like, the 70s, you know what I mean? It's just very. We're in this very strange space right now where we grew up with enough Internet that we know how to work this world and, you know, we know how to code, and we're not that stuck. And, like, we're very, like, I know you do, like, all your own social media, and I do all mine, and, like, I do my own blog and I make my own websites, and, like, at what point in time was one woman able to do so much stuff for herself? Like, we've been so repressed for so long, and this is a wonderful opportunity for us to just show people, not just men, because who the fuck cares what they think, but other women, like, what we're capable of and show our daughters and our sons and, like, the next generation what we're capable of. Because these kids, man, they're gonna take over the world. And I'm so excited to be just a little older than them. So, like, give them the tools and the opportunity to do that.

I love that so much. And totally. I mean, the Internet transformed everything. It's like, it's the most amazing time in history, right? It's like, when before could we be sitting in two separate rooms having this conversation that thousands of people hear?

Yeah. Isn't it beautiful? Like, every single time I do it, I'm just like, what is this wonderful world?

Totally. And I think, you know, if we use social media for good, there is no limit. And, you know, revolutions happen. Like, so much awareness has been spread. Like, we were just sharing about how the whole save black lives movement has been able to share because of social media and the Internet. So I think it's like, you can choose which side you want to Be on. You can use it to save pictures of people who you want plastic surgery of, or you can use it to start a revolution.

Yeah, or start a business or start a company or start a revolution. Like, literally. I mean, the protests that the kids just did against gun violence, like, was all started on social media and then picked up by the news. You know, like, these kids don't. They don't have each other's phone numbers. They all just showed up and it's. You know, they knew what was happening because of social media, they were able to show up and rise up. Same thing with MeToo. Same thing with Black Lives Matter. Like, none of this would have happened. I mean, sexual harassment's been going on in Hollywood, but since the beginning of time, trust me, I lived there, and I worked in the industry, and I know it's been happening since Day fucking won. And that's not the only industry it's happening in. I mean, luckily now it's coming out about the Olympics, and I'm sure the modeling industry and other industries will be next because it's rampant everywhere. But it's not until one woman said, it happened to me on a blog post, then the news picks it up and. And it starts in these smaller spaces, but then it has an opportunity to go viral. What's amazing is we all have the same opportunity to go viral. Like, what's interesting about the picture that you shared with my quote that then I posted, and people are still tagging me in, and you were saying about it going good viral. It's so amazing because that, of all things, I've always loved that quote about, if talking to plants helps them grow, imagine what talking to humans can do. I came up with that quote probably four years ago. I've probably shared it, like, 15 times. But it wasn't until somebody made it into a cute little sign and put a succulent in front of it that it went viral. So I really feel like we all have these opportunities of, like, okay, we can say the same thing for five years, and then you share it this one beautiful way, and everybody resonates with it. And I love that rather than getting angry that didn't go viral five years ago. I'm like, yes, everybody gets me. I think it's just we live in this, like, beautiful world right now that, like, any of us have the opportunity to make our lives whatever we want it to be.

So true. And I think it also shares a lot, like, with social media. It's like, if you just put a little bit time to put A little bit of beauty in there. Humans are so visual that putting it on a little board with the succulent is all it took. It's the same, but if you had just like ridden it it on like an ugly piece of paper and took a picture, it would have never gone anywhere. So it's like, for people who are like, I want to grow my social media following, how do you do it? It's like, just make it presentable, make it something that people would want to.

Share and get creative. I talk in wild habits about creativity is our souvenir for being human. There is no mathematical equation that adds up to us being able to do all these beautiful things. Like, it's just. It's our souvenir for being human. There's no other animal that gets to do this. Like, I love my dogs and I love every other animal that's out there. But, you know, their art is sleeping or fetching or like swimming. They don't get to get up and create these things that we can then, like, everything around you is created by some other human. And I think that's just, like, so beautiful that we live in this world where we can make chocolate or shirts or like water vitamins or art or a podcast and like, whatever the hell we want and we have the opportunity to do that.

So true. And I think as humans, we were brought here to create.

Oh, yeah.

And if we're not, we are remaining stagnant, and we will feel that stagnancy in every area of our lives.

Well, also, I don't even think it's about remaining stagnant because I don't believe in stagnation. As far as personal growth, I think we're either moving forward or backwards. And I think every day that you don't do what's inside of you and is your true calling, you're moving backwards. And every day you do it, you're moving forwards.

Yeah, definitely. I think if you're in the same place and in the same situation, you're actually totally not in the same place. You're moving backwards because time is always moving forwards.

Correct. Yeah.

Yeah. I think it really takes radical responsibility, and that's something that people are often not ready for. They want to blame other people, blame situation, blame their parents, their circumstances, because it's too hard to say, you know what? I put myself in this situation.

Yeah, yeah, totally. And we all did. You know what I mean? Like, every single thing, even what we were talking about before, about, you're like, you know, you're the five people you spend the most time around. And it's a quote by Jim Rohn, but it's like, it's so true. And you're not everyone you spend time around, but certainly the five people you spend the most time around, like, you're gonna start reflecting each other. There's just really no way around it. So. So choosing the space and choosing the headspace and the people and the habits and the food and the exercise and just every. You have to make these decisions anyway. You have to decide if you're going to move or if you're going to be lazy. You have to decide what you're going to eat next. You have to decide who you're going to call in a bad situation or when you need help. These are all things that are in your control. It's just, we give our power away because it's easier.

Totally. And it's definitely just so much easier to say that I just can't or come up with that list of excuses. And I think a lot of people, they want to say the reason why I'm not happy has nothing to do with me. And there was like this quote that I heard on a podcast that's like, every situation that you're in, you somehow deserve. And it's very triggering for people because you're like, what? How could I deserve this? I have a shitty financial situation. I just got divorced. I don't deserve this. It's not that anyone deserves anything bad happening to them, but it's taking responsibility that in some way you created that situation, whether it's something that you actively did or happened because of a belief. Right.

I totally agree. And listen, there's random acts of shit. Like, I very much. While I believe that to a certain. To the complete extent, honestly, but I think in. People do get a little triggered by it. Because people who were just raped in their homes in the middle of the night, there's things where you're like, okay, maybe you didn't bring that on yourself at all, but there's a reason that your life added up to that moment. And I'm not saying that the reason was that bad thing that happened. The reason is likely a year in the future when you've used that as the lesson that it's there to serve. But if you don't use that as a lesson, then it's there to serve. If you use it as an excuse, then I feel like, yeah, it's easier to say you attracted it regardless, but you can either use it as something for good in the future. Or you can use it as more excuses. And if you use it for more excuses, you're likely to attract the same thing in the future because you haven't grown from it.

Exactly. And we don't know what other people's like karmic contracts say. We don't know why people die. We don't. These things are something that we can try to create theories off of, but not everything, like, makes sense. There's not like a clear cause and something that happens. And it's like sometimes we just have to trust that you know it's happening and darkness exists as much as light. And all we can do is just keep showing up as the best people that we can today.

I completely agree.

Yes. Well, I'm so excited for everyone to read the book Wild Habits. So can you share with listeners just one habit that you think, think that they could start integrating into their lives today to become more full powered beings?

Absolutely. I really feel like a wonderful one to start is just go for a walk. And I say this because it resonates with everyone. I know we've talked about it a bit today, but without getting out of your environment and changing your environment, and hopefully you're doing it right now while you're listen to this podcast. But you can continue to listen to the podcast and get up and do it. Like, I just feel like, honestly, one walk around the block can change your whole life.

I couldn't agree more. I mean, all of my ideas have come to me when I was on a walk. My idea to shoot my book in India, my idea to wear my next book, Everything has come to me when I'm on a walk because it's like for some people, sitting in meditation. And meditation really works. But for a lot of women, because we're ruled by more Shakti energy, which is more dynamic and moving for us, like walking and like changing our environment and moving our bodies is actually how we get into a state of true stillness. So that's why it's like, yeah, just like moving, dancing.

Yeah.

Shaking like.

Well, plus we're nomads, right? So like, and especially as women, like, we spent thousands of years moving from place to place, carrying children on our back and like, basically just talking to our tribe, literally our tribe. So, like, I feel like the more you can do that, it's almost like connecting to your primal nature. Right? Because the thing that humans did more than anything is move around for sure.

And it's so against our nature to just be. It's like this hard thing because it's like, we want to create and do so much, but at the same time, we're like these humans. Your dog gets so excited when you go for a walk, but we're really the same way, but our minds have suppressed that. And so, oh, don't get excited about going outside, because there's no productive reward that you're gonna get. So we have to just kind of unlearn uncondition and be like, yeah, I'm freaking excited to go outside and feel the sun on my skin and look at the ocean and, like, this is actually what matters at the end of the day.

Yes. I think that's what really it does. And I don't purport to tell you what going on a walk is gonna do for you, but I guarantee you it's gonna connect you to the earth. It's gonna remind you what's really important. And not only that, it's good for your health. I cite a study in the book about how one doctor reversed 50 patients, cardiovascular disease patients, who were on waiting lists for getting coronary surgery just by meditation and exercise, just by 10 minutes of walking around the block. He unclogged 50 people's arteries. And so I feel like, well, what does that say? That says that all we really need to do is take a mindful walk around the block and do 10 minutes of meditation. And we're helping our health in more ways than we could ever possibly imagine. It's doing so much good for our body, and it's helping our minds free flow in thought. It'll bring you a lot of beautiful things.

I love that so much. It's something simple. It's something free. It's something everyone can do wherever they are around the world. No teacher, no guide, no app is needed. Just go on a walk.

Yeah, just go for a walk.

Well, thank you so much for sharing all of your wisdom with us. And where can we find you, connect with you, and buy your book?

Oh, totally. So you can go to wildhabitsbook.com and the link is there to buy it on Amazon or Barnes and Noble. Or you can buy it directly from me, signed, and you can find me on social media araamacke. Or you can just Google my name, Tara Mackey, and everything will come up.

Well, thank you so much for sharing so many nuggets of wisdom with us, for just really being an inspirational light. You really have the most amazing story that I've heard and radiate at such a high frequency. And you're just so kind. I mean, for people listening, I messaged Tara, like, three years ago. It was before I had my book deal. And I was like, how does one get a book deal? Like, how does one get a literary agent? I didn't know. I had never even met an author before. And my friend Kiran, who has woven threads, she was like, oh, I know this girl Tara with a book. Like, maybe she'll know. Like, I was literally clueless, guys. And I messaged Tara and she was, well, you need to get a literate. Like, this is how it works. I had no idea. So, like, you are that kind of person who will respond to a stranger's message on it on Facebook. Yeah, I still do, which is just so, so kind and so sweet of you. And, I mean, you're, like, growing and affecting so many people and are still so humble and kind. So thank you for really walking your. Talk more about walking, but you really do the walks.

Oh, thanks. And you thank. Thank you for showing up to my book launch. I was just. My book launch at the Detox market. Remember that? I think that was the first time we met, right? I was like, this girl is amazing. She actually supports strangers she's never met before. Thank you.

Oh, I love it. And I'm so excited for your LA one, which we're gonna plan for you to do in June.

Yes, yes, yes.

Do you have a San Diego one planned?

I do. My San Diego1 is May 19th at Shopgood.

Okay, great. And I'll post the links of that all on the show notes, and we can totally do a giveaway on Instagram also of the book.

Yes. Awesome. I'm very excited to do that. And I'm so excited about your new book.

And, God, you're.

I hesitate to call it an old book because is it even a year old yet? It's not even a year old, but you're just killing it. And I'm so excited for you.

Oh, well, thank you so much for being an incredible friend and source of inspiration for all of us.

You too, Sahara. Thanks for showing up as your highest self.

Namaste.

Namaste, girl.

Oh, my gosh. Every time I hear Tara's story, I'm just like, oh, my God, girl, you are, like, such a light and an inspiration to be alive. So I'm so excited to have you guys read this book. Share your thoughts with us. We're gonna be doing the giveaway, so head over to my Instagram amsaharose. We'll be giving away her books over there. And if you loved this episode and you'd like a little gift for reviewing it. I will love to send you the first half of my unreleased book. It's called Eat Right for your Mind Body Type. It is not available for sale anywhere, never will because now it is Eat Right for your mind body type 12 week guided program infusing Ayurveda with modern nutritional science. So as a free gift for reviewing this episode in the itunes store, you just head over to itunes on your phone, on your computer, click Write a review, write a nice review, take a screenshot of it it and email it over to me before you hit submit. My email is Sahara S A H A R aatfeelfresh.com and I will send you back the first half of my unreleased book, Eat Right for your Mind Body Type. I hope you love this episode. You're instilling some wild habits in your life and I'll see you on the next one. Namaste.