177: Finding Your Voice + True Self with Seal

Namaste, it's Sahara Rose. And welcome back to the Highest Self Podcast, a place where we discuss what makes you your soul's highest evolvement. Baby, I compare you to a kiss from a rose on the grave Ooh, the more I get of you the stranger it feels yeah and now that your rose is in bloom A light hits the gloom on the gray. Okay, okay, no more introduction needed. Today I have on the podcast the person who wrote this epic song. No introduction needed for Seal. But Seal is so much more than a singer. This song was actually the number two most played song in American history, after My Heart Will Go on by Celine Dion. Pretty big deal if you don't recognize it from the Batman movie in the 90s. It is such a beautiful song. And what's so weird was I had the song stuck in my head like I would listen to it over and over again a couple months ago, right before I got connected with Seal to do this podcast and it was like the universe was just preparing me for it because it's still one of my favorite songs ever. So if you were born after the 90s and don't know who Seal is, Seal is an incredibly accomplished singer, songwriter, Grammy Award winning artist, but he's so much more than that. And that's what we discuss in this episode. We talk about past lives, his spiritual practice, meditation, and an album that most of you are not aware of, his Mantra album with Guru Singh. So I had the privilege of going to Seal's house where we ended up hanging out for like four hours. I heard his new upcoming album which mixes spirituality music with fun dance music. And he is just such an epic, loving, caring, gifted person. Like, real deal. I want to be Seal's bff. He's so cool. So without further ado, let's welcome Seal to the Highest Self Podcast. And before we get started, check out these brands that make Highest Self podcast possible. What's your dosha? Well, if you want to find out, I invite you to take my quick little quiz over on IAM sahararose.com and in a couple questions, I will let you know the exact percentages of the doshas in your mind and in your body and email you a free, free three day mini course on how to include Ayurveda into your modern lifestyle. So head over to my website, iamsaharose.com to discover your dosha today. This episode is brought to you by Uveda. Uveda is a modernized Ayurvedic supplement company that takes certain issues that we have, such as mood joints, immunity, digestion and creates these custom little packets exactly for us, infusing ancient Ayurvedic herbs with modern vitamins and minerals. I take the mood formula daily. It is great if you work a stressful job, had adrenal fatigue, ever suffer from anxiety or even depression, and it really heals you from a fundamental and holistic level. So if you want to try it out, head over to uvada y-o u v e d a.com use the code Sahara and you'll receive 35% off your first order. And they now ship to almost every country globally. So check it out. If you live internationally, they may be shipping to your country too. And they just added India, guys. So welcome Seal to the Highest Self podcast. It's so great to have you here.

Thank you, Saharis. It's lovely to welcome you in my home.

So the first question that I would love to ask you is what makes you your highest self, my higher self?

What you asked, you mentioned that earlier. I guess what immediately comes to mind is my connection to my heart. Whenever I feel connected, which is something that I strive for at all costs, I think that is when I'm perhaps approaching my higher self.

So very beautiful. And you've had an incredible journey connecting to your heart. And for listeners who may not know about your journey, can you share a little bit about your childhood and the obstacles that you face to really get to where you are right now?

Sure. Well, I was given up to foster parents as soon as I was born. From the age of 0 to 4. I basically call it adoption because that's essentially what it was. So I lived with foster parents from the age of 0 to 4. Then I lived with my biological mother from 4 to 6. And then from 6 to 15 when I actually ended up running away from home, I lived with my biological father and my stepmother, who I love dearly. And I have five brothers and sisters. Then I ran away at home at 15, traveled around kind of, you know, was slept on friends floors, was homeless for a little bit. Although I shouldn't really say homeless because I lived in shelters whenever I could. And then it's been a journey ever since. To, to be honest, my life changed when I was. When I was 26, 27, and I sort of turned into the musician that people know me for. The person that people know me for today, I shouldn't say turned into, but I guess I became that person or more of that person. Maybe that's what I was always heading towards. Who knows? And then for the past 30 years or so it's been extraordinary, this journey that I've been fortunate enough to experience. You know, I went to see Bohemian Rhapsody the other day, that movie, and of course, it was based around the life and times of the great Freddie Mercury. And it brought me back to a time where, when he died, they did something that we affectionately refer to as the Dead Fred show, where basically all of the people that were current and that were, you know, in this kind of fraternity of the music industry, we all got together at Wembley Stadium and sang a Freddie Mercury song, a Queen song. And I remember when Brian May asked me. This is about a year into my career, he asked me what song he wanted me to do it, and he asked me what song I wanted to sing, and I chose that song. Who Wants To Live Forever? Do you know that song from that movie, Highlander? I think it is. I always loved that song. And I remember singing that song at Wembley and it all kind of came flooding back. And, you know, that's just one of the most amazing experiences I've been fortunate enough to have. And most recently, I did some. Well, not that she's in any way, shape or form passed or showing any signs of doing that, but I sang at Joni Mitchell's birthday and I got to sing a great song, one of the greatest songs I've ever written, a song called Both Sides Now. And so, you know, when I look at things in isolation, which is very rarely, I can say, well, it was a tough childhood. Always it was a tough, you know, that, you know, being essentially homeless, running away from home, having a kind of traumatic childhood was tough. But then when I look at some of the experiences that. That perhaps in some ways at least prepared me for the life that I now have. I look at this kind of. This, what some would refer to as an adverse childhood, as preparation for not only the valleys of this journey that I'm on now, but also the peaks, you know, there's a certain kind of chaos that comes with having such a kind of dynamic. I would say there's a turbulence that comes with a dynamic life. And my life has certainly been very, very dynamic. And I think you need to be prepared to deal with the good things as well as the. As well as the seemingly kind of difficult times.

Yes. And maybe on, in some divine way, your soul, before it came on this planet was like, yeah, I'm going to go through that childhood because it's going to prepare me for everything it is that I'm going to accomplish in this lifetime, perhaps.

Well, that's a really great way of putting it, Sahara, because I think you're right. You know, I think that. Oh, I believe I should say that we all have, we're all journeying. I do believe that, like, for example, we walk into a room together right now and we have a connection, you know, or myself and Maya have a wonderful connection. We work together, sure, but we have a connection. I think one of the things I'm realizing recently is that for the longest time I've always kind of associated that connection with a mental or a physical identification, if you like, you know, oh, I like the way that person looks and yeah, I like that person's smile or, you know, I like the way that person dresses or carries themselves or I like the way he looks. So I've always associated that kind of this familiarity with something that, something that we can see. And you know, I think it was my dear teacher Guru Singh said Yogi Bhajan used to say to him, we have substituted telepathy for telephony, you know. And so I guess what he was trying to say is that I was for the longest time so accustomed to associating this familiarity with. Based on what I see or what I hear. And the more that I delve into this, I'm realizing that there was this whole other communication going on. I believe in any case that there is a spiritual communication identification going on, that your spirit recognizes my spirit. We recognize each other along this journey and almost kind of. And due to the way that we're vibrating or oscillating, depending on what part of that journey we're on, we recognize it and that there is this kind of telepathy going on, this familiarity that is on an astral level, not just on this physical level. Oh, I get on with that person. Well, yes. And I also think that Myers and my spirits get on really well. I mean, we connect on an astral level as well as, you know, on a day to day basis. And it's just. And that kind of has pretty much been a theme of how I'm kind of at present journeying through life is this recognition of everyone being on a journey and less about right or wrong or things that I don't necessarily agree with or that's not to say that I, that I will agree with, have an opinion or I, I'm not fond of certain things or certain people's behaviors, but it's a lot easy to accept, a lot easier to accept when, if you look at things from a perspective of everybody is journeying and that makes it easier for Me to. One of my mantras is to. Is to love all things and everyone and all things.

So beautiful. So do you think that those certain people that you have that soul connection with, do you think that past lives are involved with that?

Perhaps. And that's an interesting concept, past lives. Because I also believe that when we say past lives, there is a possibility that past, future, present, it's all happening right now at the same time. And there are. You know, it brings into view the possibility of multiple dimensions. And do I believe that there are past lives involved? Sure. But I think that those past lives are only past lives in the context that we can understand them in the.

Linear concept of time.

Yes.

Yes.

But then the more I think about that, my head starts to hurt. So.

Right.

It's hard. But, yeah, certain people, it's almost like you. You know them from somewhere and you're not sure how. And it's almost unexplainable to see. Or even some people, you're just like, oh, like something bad has happened between us. But I can't put a name on it.

That does happen, Sahar, I will freely admit. But then I'm also. That's the bit that I'm focusing on is that I'm trying to understand right now, is that reaction to something? Why is that? Why do I have that reaction to certain things? And that's not to say that I will stop having that reaction, but I'm trying to kind understand it more.

Yeah.

You know, and so that I can perhaps do something about it.

And. And sometimes, as you mentioned, it's just not that vibrational fit. Maybe they're just somewhere else or at that certain time that you cross paths, you were having a bad day and something was off or something clicked. So I know that you started singing about spirituality and something that you've come back to. And what I wanted to ask you about was when I was just looking through your albums, I saw an album called A Game of Chance, and it was Guru Singh featuring Seal. I was like, wait, Seal has a Mantra album? And I listened. I went to sleep to it last night. So I would love to know how Guru Singh became your teacher and your involvement with chanting and if that's still a part of your spiritual practice.

Yes, it's funny. You should. But it's not funny at all because, again, this goes back to what Guru Singh was saying about telephony and telepathy. It's interesting that you would bring that up because we have been talking about, just recently, about doing more of that. I loved it just doing more of that because I think it's pretty useful right now. The game of chance. How did Guru Singh and I meet? Well, we met through a friend many, many years ago. And I went to see him on recommendation of this friend and he said something to me which kind of made a lot of sense at the time. You know, I was debating, I was essentially pleading my case, you know, as to why I was having a dysfunctional relationship with this particular friend. And, you know, I was like a kind of. I was like a well versed barrister, you know, in a court of law. I had my case like solid sound, you know, and I was, well, you know, the reason why she's complaining is because this, this and that and the other, and this is what happened on this day. And this is my reaction to it. And of course that's a logical reaction. And he said something to me at the time. He kind of looked at me and he said that there was no right. I'm paraphrasing now. He said there was no right and no wrong. And then he said, look at the person you're talking about. And I did. And I realized that that person at that point was, you know, was I saying, Was what I was saying true? Perhaps did they have any defense for what I was saying? And no, they were in a lonely place. And so whilst my case may have been sound, it wasn't right. And we hit it off. So, you know, this is what some, I don't know, 20, 22, 4, 3, 4, five years later, we've known each other. And he asked me to do that album actually. And I wasn't at the time, I didn't really have an idea of what it was he was asking me to do. Not really a full comprehension. But now I look back on it and I see the power of it and how fortunate I was that he asked me to do that.

So do you think there will be another one soon?

Yes, yes, we've been talking about it. That's why I say it's interesting that you should, you should bring that up because I did a yoga session with somebody, which is not something I do a lot of yoga in general. I did a session with this guy called J.C. and he, @ the end of that session he said, you know, he said, I hope you don't, you're not put off by this. But at the end of my yoga sessions, he came up here and we had a great session with some friends. And, and so at the end of my sessions I put on this music and he Played Game of Giants. And I said, God, you know, this keeps coming up in my consciousness. Now we're communicating. That's what's happening. Guru Singh is, he's put out a call onto the golden grid or the infinite oneness. And if you listen closely, it's there. So I called him up and, and he said, I called him up by telephony. You know, of course we'd already been speaking telepathically. And he said yes, somebody else had approached him recently about, with some technology or something and had said that, you know, this thing that you did with Seal, this would be great for this thing on a global level to spread this, you know, message of love. And he had been talking about it and then I called and neither of us were surprised because of course we've been communicating already. But that's just one of the, one dynamic of the relationship I have with, with the divine teacher, Guru Singh. He's lovely. He's a wonderful, wonderful being.

Absolutely. So I'd love to know, what does your spiritual practice look like? Do you meditate? Do you do Kundalini Yoga?

I don't just, I don't do Kundalini Yoga. I do meditate daily. And it's generally when I wake up first thing. In fact, it's always when I wake up first thing in the morning and I will set aside 20 minutes to balance myself and to connect because I feel that's when things, if things fall apart, it's generally because there's a disconnect and a self disconnect. I mean, that's a good place to start.

Do you do a Vedic meditation, mantra based meditation, or just, just breathing?

Breathing and silence and being still. It just, it's based around noting certain things that are signs of behaviors that are going on in my life. And so if there is a certain behavior that keeps occurring, rather than trying to stop that behavior and rather than trying to judge that behavior for a second, analyzing it more so perhaps it sounds too clinical, but noting it and trying to understand without judgment what is behind that, what it is, and then letting that come and go out of my consciousness, out of my thoughts, and labeling that behavior. And it could be something positive too, but understanding what, it could be something neutral, but understanding spending time through a process of breathing, of just controlled breathing, spending time looking at those things and understanding the relationship that they have in my life and really taking care to examine the relationship rather than the effect or what that particular thing makes me do, or trying to stop that particular thing. Just understanding by a series of Process of breathing, noting, identification and understanding, just changing the relationship that I have with those things. And so essentially what it is, my meditation involves a setting me up for the day by connecting. I talked about connecting earlier on and the self and the importance of. For me, of course, is the self connect. Sure, I have aspirations to what I want to do, how I want to contribute further to the world, how I want to continue on this path, this journey. What is it I am trying to achieve? What is it that will give me the most fulfillment? Am I all of these things? Sure, I have these aspirations and goals of what I would like to do. But more importantly, at least for the immediate, for the moment, the key to all of that for me is understanding myself, my dynamic self, you know, which is, was different five years ago to where I am now. Understanding that by trying to connect with it. The simple thing of connecting with myself and understanding connecting, you hear people use this term, my truth. Whilst I don't really understand what that means, but it is kind of, I guess one could say that my practice in the morning, my meditation is essential for me to connect with the true self. And that only comes, I find personally, that only comes through examination and removing distraction. And so in summary, my 20 minute meditation each day is designed to remove distraction, to be silent and to be still and to analyze my relationship to whatever it is that I'm thinking, but whatever it is, a particular trait or whatever that is, but to also, it's designed to let a natural analysis occur through the process of, of noting and identification, noting and identification. And that allows you, or allows me, you see, to be light, to be weightless. It allows me to acknowledge these things but not carry them, just this journey to try and understand the dynamic of the relationship with these things rather than say, well that's what I do, or that's a part of me, or that's, you know, that is who I am. It's more about understanding the relationship with that particular thing. Because I think who we all are at our core is these divine beings. I think we're amazing and we just get caught up in doing things that maybe are perhaps not so amazing because of our relationship with those things.

Absolutely. And I think by naming the emotion, it allows you to see that you are not the emotion, it's just something that you are temporarily experiencing. So when you can see, oh, that's jealousy, that's shame, that's anger, you can separate yourself from that. Because most people are just like, that's just who I am.

Exactly, yes. So you've you summed up what I was trying to say in like two sentences.

No, but I totally understood. And, and you know, a lot of people, they call that the path of contemplation, you know, so the path of contemplation is almost like meditation, but the mind is a little bit more active because you're, you're contemplating your emotions, yourself, your identity. And then for a lot of people, especially more creative people, that allows them to go into a meditation, whereas other people are just like silence the mind and there's nothing there. And, and that allows them to tap in more. So they say people with more shakti, more kind of creativity, divine feminine, which is music. The path of contemplation is more effective for them. I know, I'm one of those people as well.

Yeah, you look like you are understanding. Exactly.

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What advice would I like to give to my 20 year old self? Stop carrying so much weight. You know, that's something that I guess has come up more recently is how much weight we as individuals have a tendency to carry around with us. And it's not, you know, it's not one's fault, I mean, not in particular. It's part of the journey. But it's not that it angers me. It kind of saddens me sometimes if I think about it, how much weight in general I have carried around. And so if I was giving myself some advice my 20 year old self is that, you know, a lot of this weight isn't yours. And so, you know, it's this thing of kind of changing the relationship with these things. It's back to that again. A lot of this weight isn't really yours. And it does have, you know, the problem with it. Sure, we all have to journey, but the problem with it is that it does have physical manifestational consequences. You know, like literally carrying around, for example, my shoulders. That's if I am stressed out. I may not look stressed out to you at the moment, but believe me, I can be. But if I carry stress, it is in my shoulders. I feel like I'm physically carrying weight. And it's one of the things that meditation, my morning practice, allows me to do is to try and get weightless. And it's something that's come up quite a lot because I'm writing about it a lot now. Musically, the type of music I'm making, not just lyrically but in its sonic structure is this theme of weightlessness has come up quite a lot.

So can you tell us a little bit more about the music that you're working on and what is to come?

Well, sure, but you know, it's always a funny one trying to describe music because you know, you get musicians go, oh yeah, it's going to be this and it's going to be that and oh, you're going to love it, it's going to be great. But it's quite free, the music that I'm writing now. I mean, I've always attempted to be free and to. And I've always, I hope I've always for the most part created music from the heart or at least I've let it come through the heart. But what I'm doing now, it's quite, I guess you could say it was up tempo, but in a soothing, weightless kind of way. And it has above all else, a lot of dialogue that's not necessarily saying a lot of words. In fact, it probably has less lyrics than I've ever sung before. But there is a lot of dialogue by definition meaning two way communication. Because I have found that in order to receive the kind of music that I am interested in now and when I say receive because I, you know, it's debatable whether we actually create it or it comes through. But in order to receive, to be open enough to receive that kind of music that I am interested in operating with now, there has to be a certain amount of listening to you because ultimately it's all energy. It's all energy and what we do with it. You know, I have a voice and so that is really my way of. Or a way of articulating that energy, maybe dressing it so that somebody else can feel. And so in order for that to come through, there has to be. I have found recently, as much listening as there is, singing about it and writing. So the music that I'm making now is. It's quite hypnotic. There is, I guess, a mantra type element to is designed rhythmically for you to be able to, wherever possible, feel weightless and lost in the music, but yet with a feeling of security and comfort. And it is. Lyrically, it's. I am focusing on. I am acknowledging the, I guess the reality of our surroundings, but I'm choosing to focus on the great things about us as sapiens, the things that we do that are incredible. Because I feel right now that, you know, if we're just keeping it real for a second. These are extremely turbulent times. And I'm not necessarily just talking about, you know, administratively or politically. I'm not talking about that. That is a manifestation of something else. You know, there is. And I'm sure you, you know, I don't need to tell you, I'm sure you're fully aware of it. You know that it's the age old battle going on. You know that it's nothing new, but it's at pretty turbulent proportions right now. It's good versus evil. It's light versus dark. You know, it's love versus not love. It's that same old battle that's been going on. But right now the stakes are really high because it's so turbulent right now, like so turbulent. And therefore there's just this greater need I feel to connect, to really connect. And musically I feel that I can kind of best contribute by producing something that is designed to allow us all to connect and to come together and to bring us closer to who we essentially really are.

So beautiful. And you're feeding the light instead of battling with the hate.

Yes. And so I'm focusing on celebrating. Lyrically, I'm focusing on celebrating the great things about you. The things that, you know, as turbulent as it is, I have been fortunate enough to. And more and more recently to come into contact with people who are just doing amazing things. But of course, you know, we're sensationalists, but, you know, or we have sensationalist tendencies and so we tend to. We don't focus on that as much. And I say we generally speaking, present company, yourself excluded. But we typically, we live in a society where the stakes are higher than ever before because it is, A, perhaps more turbulent, but also B, because we are distracted. We're not as connected and so we're frantic because, you know, this notion that kind of mankind, you know, we're heading for doom and disaster and destruction. I don't buy into that. There are amazing people doing amazing things in this world, amazing things, and I'm coming across them everyday. Empaths who are incredible scientists, Nobel laureates, Guru Singh, yourself. The fact that you are here and you have this wellness philosophy and this wellness attitude that you are trying to spread and bring to people, that's us sapiens. When we are at our most divine, that's when we are most wonderful, when we are most beautiful. And it's very easy, at least I have found, to take that for granted and to not focus on that. And so my music lyrically is. For example, there's one of the songs I have called Let Go the Weight. And it talks about the opening line is, could you be the one? Could you be the incredible one? You know, could you be the one? Could you be that for everyone? I guess musically what I'm trying to do is a lot of it is whilst it is in acknowledgement of this turbulence, its focus is more on how amazing we are.

And I think that's such an important balance because I think sometimes a lot of spiritual people, they pretend that it's not happening. And if you don't look at the turbulence that's happening and says, if it's not there. And it takes real strength to acknowledge, like, we're going through turbulent times and there's a lot going on and I'm going to bring it to light.

Well, try to at least, you know, again, look, that's not to kind of make light of a lot of the current disasters that are occurring in the world. It's not to make light of that. I understand that. But it's a lot. It's a lot to. Particularly when you have children. It's a lot to endure all the time. And I think one of the things that, again, that I have with my meditation in the morning, you know, I use the word connection and to reconnect and to silence the mind. But one of the things I'm realizing is balance is how much it is something that I, even when I didn't know it, have been striving for my entire life. This thing of balance, it's so key. And to say that I feel that musically, that to also focus on the heart and the soul and the spirit. But how wonderful that is when we are silent and when we are not distracted and when we are connected to it. We do amazing things. We achieve amazing things, you know, we really are beautiful, you know, at times.

Does the album have a name yet?

Well, I don't even know if it's an album, to be honest. I mean, it's just music. It's, you know, it's weightless in its labeling as well. I don't know if it's. If. No, it doesn't have a. I played with the idea of title the other day, but it's not, at this stage, not so important. I'll play you some when we're done and you can have a.

Absolutely. When can we expect its release? Do you know?

Well, it isn't really an album yet. I would imagine we could expect it maybe perhaps towards the latter part of this year, but there will be music released before. There'll be a lot of music released up until that album.

Wonderful.

It'll just be a collection of everything that's been released thus far, but with some more things into it. Because I'm quite into this thing of a dynamic album. Not just dynamic in its tracks, but dynamic in its creative process. So it's adjusting to. Rather than lock myself away for, you know, three, four, five months and they go, ta da. I'd much rather kind of release things over a longer period of time and have it move with the people who I am having the conversation with.

That definitely embodies weightlessness in itself.

Yes. And have it move with you. Like, for example, this. This conversation that we are having today will affect the way that I will perhaps work this evening.

Absolutely.

Which it's always been that way, but I would like to kind of extend that to release as well.

How beautiful. Well, thank you so much for sharing all of your wisdom with us. You're like a monk, full of divine wisdom, channeling through.

I think. I think. See, that's another thing, you know. Okay, look, you know, I've caught myself doing something that I promised that I wouldn't do that. There's this photographer. He's not really a photographer, actually. He's a kind of. I guess he's a spiritual leader, although he doesn't pretend not to be. But his name is Sean Tucker. He's. I don't know. Are you aware of him?

I'm not familiar.

Now, he's a lovely guy and I've actually spoken to him and he did a podcast recently, and he talked about something which That I found really interesting. He said that, you know, there's one kind of neuroscientist that said the human brain is like Velcro to negative thoughts and Teflon to positive things. To positive thoughts. And it also said that this neuroscientist had said, you know, our tendency is to, like, we dwell on a negative thing, and when somebody says something nice or something positive, we like kind of, oh, yeah, well, things are going. And he said that this neuroscientist had also said that. And a good practice is when somebody says something positive to you or if something great happens in your life. You know, like you just, you know, maybe one of your listeners writes you and says, sahara, you know, God, you really changed my life. I listened to something you said, and instead of kind of, you know, tefloning it kind of off into the distance, holding it for 10 seconds, but really holding it for 10 seconds, holding that fleeting thought that you have allowed, that fleeting response that you have allowed yourself, oh, that's nice. Anyway, you know, holding that for 10 seconds, you would be surprised how difficult that is.

Yeah, for sure.

Yeah. To actually. To hold that, you know, something. Somebody said something nice. But the reason was, was that, you know, in those times where it isn't so great, the human brain is remarkable what it does. By you repeating that practice of holding a positive thought for 10, 20 seconds, you are creating actual neuro tramlines. So that in times of adversity, your brain actually looks to that resource of positive thought or positive emotion, and you are actually creating, by holding those, that positive thought whenever it comes around, you are creating neural pathways to that so that the brain can then later access that when it needs to. I thought that was really interesting.

Yeah. How fascinating that a neuroscientist is backing that too. I love when the spiritual and scientific world can agree on something.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And that's the good news, I find, is that the further and further we. We go into this kind of. This age, the more and more I'm finding that's happening.

Yes.

Because we're kind of. We're at a crossroads right now where, you know, there have been answers that have presented new questions.

Yes. And as we shift from that survival brain, it's really that survival brain that says something's wrong. I might not be okay. So let me dwell on what's wrong. And, you know, we've kind of gone up Maslow's hierarchy and we don't have to worry about that anymore, but our brains still haven't quite caught up yet. So we're literally reprogramming ourselves to receive that. Really what it comes down to, we're not okay with receiving.

Yes.

Well, thank you so much for sharing your wisdom again. And everyone go follow Seal on Spotify so you can tune in to his new music as it releases so weightlessly this year. And we look forward to hopefully having you again soon.

Thank you. I would love to. Thank you. Thank you.

What a gift is sealed to the world, to all of us. To highest self podcast. I could literally talk to him forever. And it's. It's so beautiful to see the crossing between music and spirituality. I think we need more of that. We need more music we can dance to and have fun to and move our bodies to that also has positive, uplifting lyrics. Because as you guys know, I love to dance. I know a lot of you guys love to dance. And we don't want to dance to swear words and to misogynistic lyrics. We want something that up levels us instead of inspires us, connects us to our highest selves. So I'm so glad that Seal heard that call from the divine and is creating that for all of us. So if you love this episode, I would love to gift you the first half of my unreleased book, eat right for your mind body type, which is different from my book Eat feel Fresh. It is my unreleased, never to be released book because it is now part of my eat right for your mind body type program. I would love to send it to you absolutely free. All you gotta do is leave me a review in the itunes store, take a screenshot and email it over to me@saharaetfeelfresh.com again. Take a screenshot of the review and email it to me@saharaatfieldfresh.com and I will send you the first half of my unreleased book, eat right for your mind body type. Namaste.

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