381: Law of Attraction Techniques with the Secret Creator Rhonda Byrne

Namaste, it's Sahara Rose. And welcome back to the Highest Self podcast, a place where I discuss what makes you your soul's highest evolvement. If it's your first time listening, welcome. My name is Sahara Rose. I'm a best selling author, host of this podcast for over four years now. And most of all, I'm an ancient soul in a modern here to teach you that spirituality can be fun, grounded, easy and relatable. And also here to help you remember your soul's purpose, your dharma, your big mission on this planet. So welcome. I'm so grateful our paths have reconnected in this lifetime. And if you're here every week, welcome back. So grateful to be reconnected with you and so excited to tune into this episode. Now this episode really dives into the pillar of intuition. I sit down with a really well known woman who you may have heard of, and if you have not heard of her yet, I think you've definitely heard about the film that she created, the Secret, which came out in 2006. Now this movie, the Secret, created ripple effects around the world. Some people loved it. It was their entry point to spirituality. It taught them that the Law of Attraction existed and the power of their thoughts. And other people hated it. They thought this was bs. They couldn't believe it. It really triggered them and it was really what the world needed at this time to just open up this conversation that we do create our own reality. And while she didn't get to share the whole picture of Law of Attraction in this film which she shares herself, because you know how films are, especially in 2006, you don't really get the whole picture. It was enough to really start this movement, this crescendo of people who are wanting to dive deeper into different Law of Attraction authors work and most important, beginning to question their own thoughts and the energy that they put out into the universe. So I am so grateful for her putting the Secret out into the world and for it to be one of the first films in our mainstream narrative that really has spoken about spirituality. And even now, here we are 15 years later and there still isn't that much information, especially in the film and TV space, mainstream mass media, when it comes to spirituality. So the fact that she was able to make this movie happen in 2006 just really in itself is a testament to the Law of Attraction that she was able to manifest this experience. Now in this interview, I wanted to dive in even deeper with her of what she's learned about manifestation. Now 15 plus years later and you know, she was born in 1951, so she's about 70 years old now and has had a lifetime of really diving into these practices. So I wanted to see where she was at now.

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What were her understandings of these different concepts? And most importantly, what does the role of destiny and karma and free will have to play with manifestation? And, guys, at the end of this conversation, when we stopped recording, she said that this was the best interview she's ever done. Which, again, she may just be saying it to be nice, but I was truly touched. And you can actually hear and see her if you're watching this on YouTube, actually get very emotional during some of the questions, because, you know, most people, when they look at manifestation, they're like, how do I get this? How do I get that? How do I get the boyfriend? How do I get the car?

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Welcome Rhonda to the Highest Self podcast.

It's so great to have you here.

Oh, thank you so much, Sahara. It's wonderful to be here. Thank you.

And the first question I'd love to.

Ask you is what makes you your highest self?

Wow, great question. Being present, being, enjoy being unattached. Actually not listening to the mind when it's saying, when it's saying things that I'm less or we're less or that we're lacking. So that's a big one. Not listening to the mind, using it of course to manifest. So yeah, so all of those things. And definitely when I love, when I'm in peace, when I'm in joy, that's when I'm really being my higher self. Yes.

I love that so much. And it's so beautiful. Like so many of the words you just said are the words that I journal upon every day. And like collectively, we, we all want to feel that way. We want to feel joy, peace, serenity, harmony. But it's all of the disillusions in the mind that sometimes keep us from seeing that it already is here. We just aren't able to fully recognize that. So I'm excited to dive in more. But a lot of listener probably know of you from the movie the Secret, which you know, has come out more than 20 years ago, which is, which is crazy. That's, I mean more, more than half of my life. So I'd love to know what was that process like creating this movie, especially in a time in the 90s where these conversations were not trendy, they were not at the forefront. Was there any backlash you received? What was that journey like for you?

Sure, sure. I mean, I think it was considered quite controversial at that time, but even though it was I was absolutely determined because when I discovered it, I knew it was the truth, without a doubt. I knew that law of attraction applied. I knew that our mind was creating absolutely everything depending on what we focus on. And so I was just determined to get this movie out there no matter what. And truly, Sahara, to this day, I don't know how it happened. Like, I just had the universe give me everything that I needed because I was in such a lot of debt. And there was actually. It was impossible. If you looked at it from where I was and where I started, it was impossible for me to be able to do it. But it's just everything that was needed was given. And so it was. I remember my daughter saying to me, well, you're, you know, you're a controversial writer. And I said, no, I'm not. I just write about the truth. I write about the truth. So, yeah, it was a journey for sure.

It's crazy how something like you create your own reality and you are worthy of joy and peace and love is like, considered controversial. But then all of the horror and action and all of those things, no one bats an eyelash at that, right?

I mean, that is so true. Because what I felt was I. What the news that I'm delivering is the best news you'll ever hear. Like, the message of this is incredible, of both for the secret and of the greatest secret. And the secret was, was basically telling people that they have the power to create the life that they want to create. And then the greatest secret is, is really showing them why they are unlimited and why they can create anything that they want. And it is just all good news. And so it doesn't make any sense to me either that there would be pushback. But we have to remember it's the mind that's pushing back. You know, that's what's pushing back. It's certainly not who we are.

And I think it's also the element of responsibility, of if I am creating my own reality and I created this, I don't want to be responsible for that because I don't like this. So let me blame something external around me that, you know, your government, all these things, they do have a role to play. But if we give up our sovereignty and wait for the government and everyone to give us what we want, we're going to be waiting many, many lifetimes.

Yes, and you're right. I mean, taking responsibility for our life is the first. And when I first discovered this, I kind of my whole life flashed before my eyes. All of the great things and all of the really tough things that I went through, but I could just see how I created it all. And of course, I never deliberately created the tough things. Those were inadvertent, those were sloppy thinking kind of thing. But I took responsibility for all of it. But for me, and I know for millions of other people, the news of this, when you, when the truth resonates, it is the first, most colossal step to freedom. And it is gorgeous. It's absolutely gorgeous to feel that sense of freedom that you have to create the life that you want to create. Yeah.

So I love that it puts the power back in our hands and it takes our energy from trying to change the external world that we really have no control of to the things that we can control, which are our daily practices and, you know, actions like we can take, like journaling, gratitude, etc. That these things will actually make a huge difference in our lives. And the ripple effect of that as well, I think we really undermine that as a society. We think that change has to come from such pain and agony and suffering in the old way. And really what I think this new paradigm is about is creating change from the vibration that we want in this world.

Oh, exactly. Yes, definitely. It's all an inside job. All of it. All of it. And so. And it's so easy to change our life. Like, as you mentioned, with gratitude, I mean, somebody can really see the difference in their life in under 24 hours with gratitude. Like, it is so fast and that if they are doing it genuinely and from their heart, they will see a really big difference in a very short time. And so gratitude just is easiest thing to do to change your life and begin to see the power that you have when you are being grateful for what you have. And then, of course, love is also another thing to use love and in a similar way to using gratitude. So doing a rampage of love, for example, of all of the things that you love. And the really great thing about Law of Attraction is you kind of start, what can I think of that I love? Well, I love it when there's blue sky, and I love it in summer, and I love the kind of fresh air and I love it when the traffic's really easy and you start to do these deliberate thoughts. And then Law of Attraction kicks in. And in 20 seconds, law of Attraction just giving you one thing after another after another of all of the things that you love. And so when you were doing that, your frequency flies really high. The happiness and joy inside of us increases. And when we are really happy, and joyful we can create in a heartbeat. I mean we can create really, really fast and manifest very, very fast. And then if we're down kind of super low, the really good thing is we don't create as fast we, that we just don't have. It's like a self protective mechanism that we don't, we just don't create as fast if we're in the really lower frequencies. So yes. So gratitude and love and all of those upper, all of those upper emotions and feelings and passion and they are all just life changing and you actually, you need to feel them first. Like I remember in the Sacred, I would say you'd be happy first. You know, be happy first and then you're on the happy frequency where all of the things that you want because they'll make you happy are sitting right. So yeah, it's sort of a little bit around the other way than what we tend to think. I'll be happy when and I'll be happy when. No, be happy first and watch your life change 100%.

I think about it like being in an apartment building and every floor is a different frequency. So if you get off on that happy or joyful frequency, like there you are where all of those things on the floor are, but then you can go down the elevator into the shame frequency or anger or sadness and then you're living that experience. So. And there's so much more that you have uncovered in your newer book, the Greatest Secret. So I would love to know, what was your pathway from the secret to the greatest secret? What were the things that you learned about Law of Attraction that you got to put in the greatest secret then years later.

Okay, that is such a good question too. As the years passed by, I realized more deeply the incredible power of our mind to create. And on just a far more expansive level that I came to understand that the entire world is a projection of our mind. And so if the entire world is a projection of our mind, then it's actually really easy to create because the world is just pictures of our mind. So therefore, if we hold an image in our mind, then that image will be projected into the world. And if we're holding the image in our mind without any resistance, you know, of any resistance, that we don't deserve this or any of those kinds of emotions. But just knowing the infinite power that we have to create the life that we want to experience and have is once we are at that place, then we can really just manifest anything. So I also dived a lot into quantum physics. As well, and understanding the observer effect and all of those kinds of. And that sort of area. And that helped just back up everything that I knew spiritually was to look at that. And there are really incredible scientists out there that are cutting edge and that know that the whole world is not what it appears to be, that it's very different. And that's all good news too. That's all great news. So I came to understand that the power of our mind to focus on something is when we focus on something, we will see it in the world. And I also came to understand the power of our beliefs that we cannot experience anything that is outside of our beliefs. And so therefore, letting go of beliefs was an important thing to do. Letting go of suppressed emotions, that emotions that we've suppressed where we had difficult moments in our life and we experienced sort of traumatic or sad low emotions, letting those go meant that we would get happier and happier and happier with every single one that we released and let go. So I sort of. What I came to see is that the mind is the most incredible, powerful tool to create whatever we want in our life. But it also can be our greatest torturer if we believe it's negative thoughts, because all of its negative thoughts are not true. We are. The being that we are is absolute perfection. And so anything that the mind says that is less than that, you can't do that. You don't deserve that. Any of those kinds of negative thoughts are not to be believed at all and not to be given any attention to. So. So it was a journey of really understanding the mind a lot more. The wonderful parts of the mind and the other parts that are not so wonderful and how we can be completely free and existing in permanent happiness. And that was kind of my journey. And then in 2016, I had a really big second wake up call. Like, the Secret was the first. But in 2016, I had a second big wake up call. And I had been on a journey of the truth like crazy. 24, 7. Reading, reading, reading, listening, listening to everything I could find. I'm like, there must be more of the truth. And then in 2016, I found what to me is the biggest thing of all is understanding who we really are. And that really sets you free completely, actually, and puts you into a life with no fear, which is a big deal. And a life of permanent happiness.

I love that so much. And when you spoke about beliefs, it brought up for me. I remember I went to Varanasi, India, which is where all of the cremations happen. Millions of cremations a year. But when you go there, no one is crying. Not a single person there is crying. In fact, they're just chanting and they're in their deep, deep spiritual practice.

In fact, it's a huge honor for.

Them to be there. But they are literally cremating by hand their mothers, their husbands, their most loved ones. But it's this belief of death that we have in the Western world, that death is the worst thing that can happen for you, is surrounded by sadness and grief and loss. I mean, even this idea of a loss, something is taken away from you. But that belief is just not there in India because death is just a cycle. You're just going to transform into your next dimension. And in fact, they say if you are whatever vibration that you are carrying at the time that the soul is transitioning, that is what the soul will leave with. So if you are screaming, crying, angry, the soul is not going to have peace to be able to depart in. In this. This clear way that it is meant to. So even. So much of our actions are to avoid death, right? Like this whole, you know, 20, 20 of a year and everything beyond, it's like whatever we can to avoid death. But if we really look at. Is. Is death actually the worst thing possible or is it just this inevitable that if I change my beliefs around it, then I don't have to stop living my life in the fear of what is eventually going to happen to all of us?

Yes, yes. I mean, it's so beautiful. I mean, in India, they most certainly understand that there's no death for the soul, as you say, or for the being that we are. And so it's just the body that ends. There's nothing else, but nothing else that ends. We can't end. It's actually impossible for us to end. And we never began either. Of course, that means. So we have an incredible experience of being a human, and it's fantastic, and that we're separate and all of those kinds of things. And we're in this incredible, objective world, but it's just an experience. And who we are never began and will never end and is actually, which I think is very beautiful, untouched and unharmed by anything that takes place on earth. In the physical world, we remain untouched and unharmed. But even just this one question that I would say to people, what if you knew without any doubt whatsoever that no one dies? What if you knew how would that change your life, your world, your opinions, your outlook? What if you knew that no one ever dies? There can be no end to any being. The World would be so different, right?

Yeah. I think we would stop gripping in fear, trying to control everything, trying to delay something that is just a natural process of life. I think we've created so many systems and technologies and things to like, try to keep death as far away as possible. And we don't really have a relationship with it either. It's like, you know, Halloween is maybe the closest thing that we have, but it's. It's scary, right? But I think the more in touch we are with our death, the more that we can truly live.

Oh, absolutely. And it is possible to live your life without the fear of death. It is possible to know not to believe. I'm not saying to take on a belief, but to know through your own experience without any doubt whatsoever that you, who you are, will never die, that the body will end, but it is not who you are. And, you know, I remember I had this mentor, really beautiful man, many years ago. He was the imper. Is the imperator of one of the. One of the esoteric traditions. And he said to me that the moment of death is the greatest moment of life because of the realization that you never die and that you can't take any of the negativity with you. And so eventually what happens, of course you must, as what you said is also true, that you will experience whatever frequency you are on in the moment of death. You will experience that. But then ultimately you can't take that with you in the spiritual realms. You can pick it up on the way back in. No. But yes. So he said, you know, it's just joy and love and happiness. And so I've always thought about that. It's like that. But since the Greatest Secret, I have been fortunate enough to have the experience of being much more than the person and the form that is sitting here. And that is what I would honestly so wish for everybody. Because that is what will set them free and that is what. What will deliver to them a happiness that they can barely fathom.

So beautiful. And how do these realizations come through for you? Is it through just contemplation, writing, meditation, taking walks? How do these awarenesses really start to show up in your reality?

For me, after the sort of the realizing who we really are, for me then, for the last four years, I have been releasing everything that I'm not. And so that has been releasing beliefs, limiting beliefs when any kind of negative emotion appears, to release that and to welcome that emotion. And so that I'm releasing all the suppressed emotions from inside the body and. And when you release a suppressed emotion, you're releasing thousands upon thousands of thoughts that are attached to that. And so after releasing those things, you feel lighter, happier, lighter, happier. So that's what I've been doing. And if I feel like, for example, if you feel disappointment to me, then this is a great day to celebrate because now you can let that disappointment go. And my teacher would say to me, you're only feeling these things because they're ready to be released. And so that's what I did. I would just release disappointment, impatience, any anger. And then the next time I would feel one of those emotions, it was really weak, it wasn't so strong. And once again, I would release it. And then it would get to a point where it's not possible to feel disappointment because I don't have any disappointment left inside of me. And so I really. I took a really practical path. And I mean, of course, too, I would be consciously holding myself in the space of the infinite being that we are. And so I would do that as much as possible in the day, was to really hold myself in that space and just remembering all of the time who I am, the peace of who I am. And so it really happened, I think, really, really fast. In a short time, I began to feel happier, happier, more at peace. And you know what's incredible, like, all of the things that you begin to see is that things that used to annoy you don't bother you one bit anymore. And you wonder, how was it that I ever would get annoyed at or that that person would sometimes irritate me. You just don't feel any of that anymore. Nothing really bothers you. And so it's so amazing, really incredible. And I know that is possible for absolutely everybody. So, yes, I took a practical approach to be free.

I love that. So let's say you get into a fight with someone and some anger shows up, some fear of what they're going to do, how would you then release that?

You're in. Okay, so what I would do is I feel the emotion, so I notice it, and then I take my attention off it. Because as, you know, whatever we put our attention on expands and magnifies. So I would take my attention, I would first notice it, and you don't even need to know, is that anger or is that impatience or is that. It doesn't matter. It's just to notice the negative emotions. Then I would take my attention off it. And that's the thing. Once we take our attention off it, it is automatically released. And so we kind of have this self cleansing mechanism in our body is so amazing. Take our attention off it and the energy of that suppressed emotion will unwind and be released. So to be sure to do that, to take our attention off it, it what I do is I welcome that emotion and so I don't try and change it, I don't try and get rid of it, I don't try and fix it, I don't try and do anything with it. I allow the emotion to be there fully. And I'm kind of putting my arms out as though you're welcoming, you're about to put your arms around somebody. Because I find that if you have your arms, arms out, you're not tensing up and resisting anymore. And it helps you to just kind of relax. And so it's really surprising how fast the energy of an emotion will pass out of our body when you do that. And so that process is what I did. I've put it in the greatest secret. It's the most powerful thing I've ever done in my life. And I did that for beliefs. I would spot a belief and I would just be like, wow. And I just put my arms out basically and just allow, just like look at that belief, allow it to be there. And it would just dissolve to such a point that I couldn't even remember what that belief was because once it's gone, you can't remember it anymore. And so I also did it with any sort of subjects that negative subjects or negative train of thought. I use that one process for all of that. And then I would just revel in the peace and the bliss and the happiness that would arise within me.

Wow. It's so simple, yet so, so profound. And I think the difficulty is, you know, sometimes what I experience is my mind thinks that I need to think through a problem to find the solution. So I'm like, I need to keep repeating this because maybe I'll come up with something that I wouldn't have. And then I create this evidence of like, oh, well, one time you thought about this problem enough and you came up with a solution. So you should keep on doing that. So what advice do you have if you kind of are like continually thinking about a problem over and over again?

Yes. Well, the first thing to know is the mind has no solutions. It doesn't. So a true solution will come from the infinite being that you are. And it will often come as an insight or intuition. So the mind doesn't really have any answers to anything. It asks a lot of questions for sure, but it doesn't have the answers. The answers and the insights and the true resolutions are coming from beyond the mind. And so what the mind will tend to do will keep you trapped. It loves problems because it's a whole lot of energy and it feeds off those things. So it'll kind of keep you trapped in a maze going around in circles. And then just when you think you've resolved it, something else pops up, pops up. And, and so you, you attracting more and more problems. Right? And I think for many people, like, they spend their lives just like putting out spotfires of problems. Oh, here's the next one. Now I need to put that one out. And that's like, perfect for the mind, but for who we are and for beyond the mind, there's not a single problem anywhere at any time. And so to be in that frequency, to be at that level, when you're at that level, it's like the problem gets resolved all by itself without you doing anything. Like, when you just open yourself to that and you step beyond the mind and just open yourself up, it will just get resolved all by itself. And you're like, wow, I've had that situation so many times where I've had one of the executives in my company call and say, oh, there's. I don't think anybody in our company cause a problem. They say a challenge or whatever. They'll use other words and they'll say, there's this that we need to address. And straight away I just hear it and I release. It's just automatic. And I release on it. And then they call back and say, oh, that thing I was talking about, it all got sorted out. I didn't do anything. I didn't do anything but just release the idea of it being a problem and not allow the mind to convince, convince me that it is. So that's when you put yourself on a plane where there is absolute perfection and whatever it is will be resolved.

Yeah, I mean, I was in a situation that was going on for months. It was like this dispute. And I kept trying to come up with all these solutions and this and that. And then the best solution was just walk away. Like, I don't want this problem anymore. And as a solution, well, you see.

That was most definitely, as you would say, your higher self speaking to you, because that's the exact answer. And I'm sure when you walked away, and I've been in that situation as well, some kind of a dispute. And that's just really, really tough. And the mind loves that too. Comes up with all kinds of things. And, you know, let's fight and let's do this. And it's like, no, let's let it go. And that feeling to let it go is way beyond the mind.

Yeah.

And you would have felt such relief. Like, we always know when we're on the right track because we feel this. First of all, we feel this incredible sense of relief. It's just like, so beautiful to let something go. The wonderful thing about letting something go is now you have the space for something new to come in and something different to come in or the solution to come in. Or it's just. It's almost like let go of everything, you know, Just let go of everything. Let go of it all. Let go of the story that you have about yourself. Because that story is created by the mind. And that story, therefore, is limited. It's definitely limited because it's created by the mind. And we are unlimited. We are absolute perfection. And so just letting the story go of whole who we think we are, suddenly there's all of this incredible space for who you are to just come flooding in as fill your life with joy and bliss and, oh, heaven.

So where do you think processing our thoughts plays a role in this? You know, some people, they feel like they learn when they process, whether it's talking to their friend, journaling their therapist, talking through everything they're thinking to find Clari. How would you say this plays a role? Or would you say to not even entertain that because it's entertaining the mind and making the mind's problems even bigger?

It's tricky, isn't it? Because I know for some people that that's what they feel they need to do. But the more we focus on something, just understanding the dynamics of our mind and the way that it works is the more we focus on something, the bigger. The more energy we're giving to it and the bigger it becomes. And so. So one other thing to understand is that who we are is absolute clarity. The mind is confusion. It's not clarity. So when we go through a whole process like that of talking to people and trying to talk it out, and eventually we get to clarity. I think we get to clarity because we've suffered so much, and we really just can't bear to suffer anymore. And then we get clarity. So like Law of attraction says you focus on something, the bigger it becomes. So therefore, we always want to be focusing on what we want. So if we were to focus on something, then the thing to be focused on is us being in joy and having the Solution, you know, not to be focused on the problem. And it's tricky because the mind is constantly luring us in. You know, what about this? You know, making out like it has the answer, but doesn't have the answer. All of the most incredible things in this world came from beyond the mind. They came from the infinite intelligence that we are, that's created absolutely everything. And so it's when the mind is quiet that all of that comes in. So all of the solutions, all of the incredible inventions, all of those amazing creations, the beautiful music that's composed, you know, that we feel just came from some divine frequency, a piece of music or art or all of those things, they all came from beyond the mind.

Absolutely. Yeah. Sometimes I feel what journaling really helps with is, like, getting all of the mind's, like, shit out, so then you can go beyond the mind, because it's like, sometimes the mind is just like, I need this thing. I need to, like, give all of our focus to. To, like, have that out. Like, I listened to you, I heard you, and. And now let's go. What's beyond this?

Yeah, And I don't have a problem with journaling because I actually think journaling is journaling sort of different to talking to somebody about it, because then you kind of getting into the frequency and the problem and sort of holding yourself there a little bit. But journaling most definitely. Like, I just did an advantages and disadvantages list yesterday of a decision that I'm wanting to make. And so I decided to do advantages and disadvantages because I wanted to see what my subconscious mind was holding. Did it hold any block? Was there any kind of block anywhere? And so when we do journal like that. So I'm a big supporter of journaling most definitely, because we are releasing a lot of potentially limiting beliefs, and we can see them on the paper, a limiting belief that is coming out. So I think journaling's different from sort of focusing into a problem and, you know, and talking about it over and over and over. So, you know, I think it's. My daughter has always journaled, and it has been incredible for her.

Incredible.

Yeah.

Yeah. I think we process in different ways. Sometimes dancing is what you need to just move it out. Sometimes it's singing, praying, you know, whatever. Whatever feels good. But eventually all of those things are like boats to take you beyond that. That action.

Yeah, that's exactly it. That's exactly it. And when. When you release all of that and then the peace that you feel, and then you get all of these insights. Oh, I know, I've got an idea, then there's the space for all of that to come in. And it's more that our mind is creating these sort of blanket overall us and stopping us from seeing all of the solutions and all of the answers and all of the clarity. And so if we can just sort of let that go and move that aside, then, I mean, we are, we have all the solutions, we have all the answers. We are complete clarity. It's only the mind that has confusion. We are clarity. So if we can just shift that away, then the clarity will arise within us. And in an insight, I mean, I've had lots of insights in my life where I'm just like, oh wow. And I knew it didn't come from the mind because I had this whole thing instantaneously that would take the mind half an hour to explain it. Right? Because when you get an insight, it's like you get this download and it's instantaneous. So yeah, wonderful.

We'll take a quick break so I.

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Yeah, I can feel like the difference of the thoughts when I'm channeling that. It's much faster, clearer. It's like the stream of information that's flowing through me and it's almost like if I don't write it at that moment, I will, it will pass right by and I will actually forget it. So you can feel because it's like. Yeah, it's full of information that you probably wouldn't have been thinking of in your everyday normal thoughts.

Yes. And you're right to write it down because you won't remember it. You know, it's like when it's an insight, you need to kind of grab it. You need to kind of grab a hold of it and writing it down is really great. I mean I've had insights and I'm like, wow, wow. And then I go to tell somebody, now it's gone, it's completely gone. Like what was incredible. So it's really good idea. Yeah. To write it down and just sort of cement it.

Yeah.

It's kind of like a dream.

Exactly like a dream. Yeah.

Yeah. So I'd love for you to share with us what is effortless manifestation?

Okay. So effortless manifestation is created with an effortless thought. And that is really a thought that's beyond the mind, which kind of sounds Contradictory. But when we are in a place of zero resistance, so we're not contracting anywhere, no resistance whatsoever, then one thought will manifest virtually instantaneously. And if that thought is not contradicted by any other thought, I mean, that's the power that everybody has. You focus on a thought, if you do not contradict that thought, it will manifest. And so one of the things that we can do is we want something or we want something to occur. We have a desire and then we visualize it, or we think about it and then a whole lot of other thoughts come in. Well, how's that going to happen? And you know, you didn't do that well in that subject. So how are you going to get that job? Or things haven't worked out for you before in that area, so what makes you think it's going to work out for this time? And all of those kinds of thoughts, which are contradictory thoughts, so every time there's a thought like that, it just cancels it out. It's resistance to the thought that we had basically planted to manifest. And so effortless manifestation is really effortless thought. And having one thought that is not contradicted by any other thought at all. And so we can. The more joy that we're in and the more happiness that the happier we are, then our thoughts are going to be effortless. You know, they, they just. Because when you enjoy and happiness, you have very little resistance, you know, or gratitude. In gratitude, you have very little resistance. That's why when we're super grateful, we'll have tears come to our eyes because we're letting go. So the higher we can be enjoy and happiness or love or gratitude, the less resistance that we have. And that's the time I think, to manifest is when you're feeling that way, not when you're feeling, oh, I don't know, I don't know if I've got it right or, you know, I've been waiting for this for a long time and still not here. All of those kinds of things. If you can just get yourself up higher into joy or into happiness or into passion, then you're in a place where you don't have as much resistance and then you're going to manifest. But basically, effortless manifestation, it takes one thought to manifest, just one, as long as it's not contradicted with any other thought. And that's effortless manifestation.

I love that because so often when we go to spiritual practices, it's when we're in a low place and we want something and we're like, I will do all of the rituals and the moon practices and whatever you got, because I need the situation to change. But then when you're just joyful and living your life, you kind of forget about those things.

Yeah.

It's like, how can you bring in more of that intentionality when you're feeling good?

Yeah. And it was perfect what you just said. Because I want this to change. And if you feel that that's full of resistance. Right. I want this to change and I want it to change now or I need this now. And that has a whole lot of resistance. And resistan you don't want. Because resistance is basically saying, I don't have it yet. And so then you're not going to get it. So we need. That's why we need to let go of resistance. And in those higher frequencies, there is not as much resistance there. So it's going to manifest a whole lot faster. So. And I think, you know, some teachers say to manifest, you don't want to need something, but it's just. It's just because the needing help has resistance in it. That's all. Needing says I don't have it. And as you know, for manifestation, you have to imagine that you have it already. Because there's no time for any of the laws, law of attraction, or any laws of physics. They're all operating in the present moment. So that's why you need to visualize that you have your manifestation. You already have what you want. You've already got it.

Hmm.

So what if there is something that you. You deeply desire, and it's kind of hard to get rid of that desperate energy around it because you so deeply do desire it. What is your advice there probably with that?

I would release that feeling these days. That's what I would do. I would release that feeling because that feeling is not. Doesn't feel good. If you really examine that feeling, it's not a. It's not a good feel. You're that kind of desperate like that. So these. These days, I would just release it immediately and I would just let that feeling leave my body. Otherwise I would do. If I go back to the secret, then what I would do is I would just be doing a lot of practices to have me enjoy and happiness. Because if you notice when you're enjoying happiness, happiness, it's not. So you're not so desperate anymore. Because we only ever want anything to be happier. We think we'll be happier for the having of it or for the absence of. Doesn't matter what it is in the world, for every single human being, we have one thing in common, is we're seeking happiness. And we think that in manifesting this job or this partner or having a baby or money or the house or whatever it may be, that we will be happier when we have it. And so if we can get to happiness, we don't have so much. Yeah, we don't have so much resistance or needing or wanting. And so we can release a little bit of that kind of desperate feeling. Like, some people will ask me, is it better to have a time frame on what they want to manifest? And it's a really hard question to answer because some people will manifest really well. Like in the month of June, I want this. Or the month of July, I want this to happen. And by the end of July, this will have happened. And for some people, that will work really well for them because of their degree of faith and no doubt about it. And then for other people, it creates resistance. Right. And so they kind of, with resistance, push what they want to weigh. And so, yeah, it just depends, you know, but resistance is. I mean, I could write a book on resistance. I mean, I talk about it in the Greatest Secret a lot, but it's an incredible subject because it is. All negative motion is resistance. That's what it is. It's. I don't want this. You know, it's the three words, I don't want this. I don't want this to happen. You know, I want. I want something to go this way, and I don't want it that way. And if just letting go of resistance is just, oh, my gosh, you know, the happiness and the joy that you feel, and then when you're feeling that way, manifestation feels really easy. When you're really happy and joyful, it doesn't seem big or hard at all. It seems easy. You feel like, oh, I could manifest anything.

Absolutely. And. And you have less of a need to because you're already happy where you are.

Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

So I'd love to know, what do you think is the role of destiny? And if something is meant to happen in your life, like an experience that is meant to happen, a soul contract, et cetera, versus how much we can control through manifestation.

That's a big question. We certainly have. Have some control over some things for sure. But two, I feel that we have a destiny. I sort of feel like it's both. And it seems like, you know, one contradicts the other. But I feel like we've got a blueprint, and that blueprint was worked out by us and with very good reason. Reason that blueprint and to free us. And so from a really incredible place of allowing, I think we create a blueprint. But then in between all of that, in that outline, there's lots of little details and things that we can manifest that don't affect at all the overall blueprint. So kind of feel like it's both. I know one thing for sure, we are all destined to fully wake up and realize who we are. There is no doubt about that. Not one of us can ever, ever, ever miss out on that. Ever. It may take a bit of time or so called time, but every single being will arrive home and be free. Every person and realize who they are. And that's just a beautiful way to look at everything. And there's manifestation of people at different stages along the way of that. But it doesn't matter where anybody is because the destination is the same for all of us. I remember when I speak to my mentor and I would say, oh, I want, you know, I really want more of the truth and more of the truth and I want to do it it in this lifetime. And he would sit, he would say to me, what's the rush? You've got all of eternity. And he met that. I mean, you have all of eternity. What's the hurry? So, yeah, I just. We do all have the same destination. And that destination is one whereby the incredible experience that we have had in the physical world will not do not harm us. The experiences, I can't even say add they're an experience. But in the end, in the end, the destination is the same glorious destination for every single being. And they will be free and they will know that they are infinite, that they are all that there is, and that nothing ever, ever, ever can harm them. And they are so much more than they ever, ever thought they were.

Do you feel that soul ages, like the number of souls or lifetimes we've had on this planet play a role in someone's awakening? Like those who are awakening are old souls potentially? Or do you feel like everyone in this lifetime can spontaneously awaken regardless of how many lifetimes they've had here?

I think anybody can spontaneously awaken. I think that's possible for everyone simply because it is who we are. And so, yeah, anybody can awaken. And I mean, I sort of wonder what, what happened in the previous lifetime that I came into this lifetime, you know, and I don't know. And the reason that I don't know is because it's not important for me to know. My mentor used to say, if you need to know anything from any other lifetime, and it's important for this lifetime, you will remember it. It will be given to you and you will remember. I just kind of have a sense of a country and things like that. But, yeah, I just think we're. I don't know, I just think we're all, all. We're all just so destined to end up where we are. And there appears to be a journey and like an evolution for the soul, there appears to be. And certainly when you look around, it feels that way too. And I remember that Buddha said that he had had 500 lifetimes and he recalled all of them. So one would think, therefore, that there are some sort of souls that have moved along more than other souls or have awakened. But I actually don't know the answer to it, you know, and it's kind of an speculation. Like, I. I guess I should ask the question, because whenever we ask the question, we get the answer right, and then we know for sure. But I don't know. I. I just know for this lifetime here that I'm so, so, so grateful to have woken up. Just so grateful. And I don't know what happened previously, but, oh, my gosh, whatever it was, just. Thank you, thank you, thank you with all of my heart. So it's kind of a roundabout way of answering your question, but, yeah, And.

I think truthfully, it's, you know, it doesn't really matter. You know, sometimes in our journey, we're like, I need to know all of my past lives and my astrology chart and my human design and my this and my dad, and it's like all of these things, and it can. It can be educational, for sure, but really from the highest realm, like, we're all love. We're all going to the same place. And just to enjoy this experience and to sometimes release even our need to label it right, and, like, have more and more. Just like, I'm a this, that, that, and. And it's like, you're here, you're love, you're light. And that in itself is enough.

Oh, it is. It is more than enough. And all of those labels, as you say, all of those labels just kind of box us in and imprison us to be limited, because every label is limitation. And we don't have any labels really at all, because we're unlimited. I mean, we are. I mean, I say this, we are holding the universe in our hands. You know, we. We are just beyond what most of us could even fathom and that's why in the ancient text they would talk about the unspeakable, you know, that you can't, it can't be described because we are just beyond description. The perfection. And the love as you say is, it's just cannot ever be defined because the moment we define it, we live limit who we are. And so yeah, just, just to begin to feel that presence is with, in absolutely everybody, it is who they are. And you can feel that presence at any time. And it's possible to wake up at any time. But it's all unfolding. As Robert Adams used to say, everything is unfolding exactly as it should. And I will say that to myself a lot of times, you know, like when through the last year and a half when I saw so many people in fear and I would just say to myself, everything is unfolding, you know, exactly as it should. I didn't have any fear at all in that time, but I really increased the work that I was doing and trying to and help people and soothe people through that time. But I think that time for all of us was an opportunity to let go of fear, be free of fear and let go. It's like a big wake up call for us to let it go. And there was, you know, a lot of sadness for people who lost, you know, lost loved ones. But there's no end. There's no, no end.

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So what advice do you have for someone who's really seeking to find more purpose in their life?

Right now?

It's almost like this. If we could just let go, what would unfold would be incredible, because I think in so many ways, even what we think might be our purpose is limited as well. So, for example, did I ever imagine I would be doing this? No. I mean, if I look at. Look at my life, you know, I was a secretary. I was a producer on radio. I was then a producer on television. I started a television production company. I mean, where was the spiritual journey of decades in all of this? But I know without a doubt, without any doubt whatsoever, this is what I came here to do. And everything else along the way was preparing me for this. And so I feel life will take you there if you can just trust life. And, like, if I look back at how this began, the point where everything changed in my life, where my life did a complete u turn toward the secret, toward my own company, was when I got fired. And I mean, that was incredible to me that I got fired because I've always been like this thought, I'm this really good person. I don't do anything wrong. And I got fired because I. I didn't dob on somebody else. And so I got fired along with her. And I was absolutely devastated. But, you know, that moment, that moment is what changed my life. And right then and there, I was on the Runway to the secret. So there's just this kind of trusting in life. And I remember when I got fired that I said to myself, this is for the good. You can't see it yet, but you will. And so, yeah, I have a lot of trust in life to take us where we need to go to. Yeah.

That's so beautiful that something that could have been the worst thing that happened to you is actually the best thing.

That happened to you.

It was. It was completely. Yeah. And that happened to me a few times in my life, including the night that I discovered the secret. Secret is my whole life had collapsed in one big heap. And I had two phone calls that just wiped me out. And I remember thinking, oh, that it was so tough that night, that it was like my ego jumped on a horse and rode the heck out of there because it was too much. And then in that moment, I kind of saw and realized a lot. It had a really big sort of awakening. But that moment in my life, truly that moment where I was in total despair, I let go. And in the letting go, everything came of this. What would become the secret. So it's a big deal. I think we get in our own way a little bit, a lot.

Yeah. These opportunities like led us to let go of what we thought the plan was going to be. I mean, even 2020, this experience for the collective. We were so in our day to day routines, not questioning things, just in the hamster wheel that this caused us to get off. That right now we're going through the greatest amount of job transition and even divorce and all of these things that had been bubbling under the surface, but we were just too busy to really look at them. That now there are going to be so many beautiful businesses and inventions and ways of conn that maybe would not have been had we not had this, you know, rug swept under our feet. So sometimes, you know, like they say, you need to have the breakdown to have the breakthrough.

Yes. And I think for a lot of people, they hit the bottom, didn't they? And I know a lot of young people were afraid and saying, is this the end of the world? You know, and I know throughout my life there were times in the world, crises in the world world, where we thought it was the end of the world. You know, there was, there was 20.

20, 2012, there was incidents, you know, where we're like, every 10 years there's an end of the world.

Exactly. And so, and so I really sympathized with all those young people because this was the first time that they had experienced something that they just couldn't believe what was happening to their life, to the world being turned upside down. But always when there is something that is like this, it is because it's a little bit like, except on a global scale. What happened to me and the U turn of my life? Oh no, we have a global U turn. And I just know with all of my heart that that will mean that what is ahead is absolutely amazing.

Yes. It's like the entire world having their dark night of the soul at the same time. And we'll all be rising up, up. And, and that's why more and more people are opening up to spirituality and meditation, all these different practices that they never felt like they needed before. But sometimes we needed to have that on, on my knees moment to finally open up and. And receive. Receive support from something greater than ourselves.

Yes, definitely. And like I just, if I look at my own life. And every difficult moment that I've had, if I look back, has been an blessing. And it has been a curve where my life turned or my life changed. And so I just see everything now far more clearly and don't see anything as bad. And I've had lots of experience, you know, really what people would describe as very, very challenging experiences, but all of those things were just. Just. They're just a fence, you know, they're just a fence. And. And we're all here and we're having this experience and. And it's colossal. It's Feels so real, and it's a miracle and it's beautiful. And just, I think too, to kind of the mind is so serious, right? So serious. And. Which is why the word, you know, enlightenment, which, you know, enlightenment just means more light. And more light means more joy, more happiness, more clarity, more direct intelligence, more peace, more allowing of everything. I know Krishnamurti said there's one quote in the book where Krishnamurti says, I don't mind what happens. And he did not mind what. What happened, because it's all just a passing show. And. And in the end, we're all fine.

So I love that.

Right. You can definitely get to that place, really and truly get to that place where you just know everything is totally fine. We are deathless. Deathless. So, you know, it's all good. All good. Good.

Yes. I love that so much. When I was going through my just awakening and was trying to figure out my path, I remember I would tell myself, it's okay. You're just at the shitty part of your memoir. One day this will be the point that everything changed. And it's so funny because then when I wrote my book, that was the shitty part of the story that everything changed. Like, and. And sometimes the things that we feel like, oh, well, I don't want anyone to know about this, or, you know, I never want to go back to this experience. It ends up being the thing that sometimes we end up telling people about the most because it shows people that change is possible.

Yeah. And we tend to resist change. Right. You know, where that's one of the things that fear loves, you know, is to be afraid of change. But we're in a world, it's a duality, and we're in a world where nothing stays the same. It's all constantly influx, it's constantly changing, which is fascinating, because who we are is unchanging. Who we are never is totally unchanging. And so we're in this whole experience of everything changing. I love it because everything's like the opposite of who we really are. You know, it's all. It's all the opposite. And we long for attention and approval, and yet who we are is all the approval there is and all the attention there is. And so there's this deep kind of longing within us and we don't recognize it that when we're longing for attention or approval or happiness or love, we're actually longing for ourselves. We're actually seeing, making ourselves.

I love that so much. We are already whole and perfect and beautiful as we are. It's just remembering that.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

Yes. Well, it was so great diving in with you on so many beautiful topics that I know so many people are wondering. So I'd love to share with listeners where they can read the Greatest Secret and connect with you more.

Oh, thank you so much. And I've got to say, is so wonderful to speak to somebody like you and to be able to talk about all of these things like this is just was heaven for me. Absolute heaven. And so thank you. Thank you so much. I just think, you know, whatever we can put out there, any one of us that will set somebody free and help them to happiness and have the life that they deserve to have is just worth its weight in gold. Every being is so precious.

Thank you so much for your wisdom and for truly being a pioneer in this movement. I know for probably so many listeners, the secret was the first time they ever even heard about these types of concepts. So thank you for really standing in front of the mainstream media that has its own prerogative and agenda, that is not, not always enlightened and for bringing the light there where it is so needed.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so, so much.

Let's just take a deep breath together. I love conversations like that. Just having a moment to dive into something so much bigger than our everyday lives and stressors and worries, worries and problems and just to reconnect to the larger, the higher part of ourselves. So I hope you enjoyed that episode. I hope it inspired you. It reunited or reactivated a part of your heart and your soul that may have been dormant. And I'm super excited to continue to dive deeper with you in the absolutely free five day rose gold goddess challenge. If you have not signed signed up yet, head over to rosegoldgoddesses.com that link is in the show notes and we're going to be doing this challenge together August 16th to 20th, diving into the five pillars of Rose gold goddesses, which include intuition. So I'm so excited to see you inside. I hope you enjoyed this episode, and I'll see you in the next one. Namaste.

Sam.