415: How To Heal Your Body Holistically + Spiritually with Dr. Zach Bush

Namaste, it's Sahara Rose. And welcome back to the Highest Self podcast, a place where we discuss what makes you your soul's highest evolvement. I just came back from whale watching in the Dominican Republic, which was such a beautiful reminder to move slower. You know, I was at a waterfall there, just observing the way that the water moves through the rocks and how perfect everything really is in nature. And this download came through move at the speed of nature, not technology. And it really hit me how we as human beings forget that we are Earth. We are so hyper attuned to technology, to our phones. I know for myself it feels like a part time job just to respond to my DMs and then my comments.

And then my WhatsApp messages and my.

Text messages and my email and my other email and it's like nonstop and it makes us feel like we're always falling behind, that we need to be moving at the speed of technology, which is the speed of light, lightning, it doesn't even exist. It's that vata, that air, energy. But really, we are nature, we are Earth. When we talk about connect to Earth, you are a part of Earth. So move at the speed of nature, because nature doesn't make any mistakes. Nature in fact far exceeds our intelligence. It knows things that we do not. So if we can move at the speed of nature, which is the speed of our true natural selves, I'm not saying move at the speed of a snail, because you are not a snail, but I'm also not saying move at the speed of a cheetah, because you are not a cheetah. Move at the speed of nature means move at the speed that is natural to you and find your unique flow, your unique cycles, your unique seasons, which are going to shift as you do, you may have seasons in your life that are more summer, more fire, more pitta, and others that are more winter, more kapha, more grounded, taking that sacred pause. And in this technological world, we feel like we need to be on and fast and available and responding and this urgency culture that if something needs to be done, we feel enormous pressure to drop everything that we're doing to do it right now. And I notice this so deeply in myself. So I am coming back from whale watching, or should I say whale waiting? Because if you've ever been whale watching, you know, you're like, wait 30 minutes.

You'Re like, oh, and there's a tail.

Oh, okay, it's gone.

Okay, they've gone under.

Let's wait. Oh, there is a hump and it just teaches you patience. You know, we watch these National Geographic documentaries and Shark Week and all these things and it's like they're like spin in the air and it's like full power, all this stuff happening. But that's not how nature actually is. Nature is slow, Nature is paused. Nature is deliberate. Nature takes its time. Nature isn't about getting your attention for a 10 second reel. Nature's gonna do its own thing and you gotta wait for it. So that was such a beautiful reminder for me to just take a breath, pause, and trust that all will happen as it's meant to in divine timing. And there really is no rush. So last week I interviewed the one and only Byron Katie. And so many of you have reshared that episode and said it was one of the most powerful conversations that you've heard. And I'm so deeply honored to share her wisdom with you doing her work. Byron Katie's the work has been so transformational in my life and I'm so grateful to have her on and for so many of you who tuned in and shared it. So that is another great episode. We have so many powerhouses and this episode, guys.

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Dr. Zach Bush, he truly is such an inspiration to me. Someone who at the same time walks the path of courage while being such a poet. And when I was thinking about him, I'm like, it's really rare to see someone who is, you know, a truth teller and a freedom seeker and really stands their ground and goes against the drumbeat and the, and the mainstream narrative, but does it in such a heartfelt and poetic and soulful way that it's like you, you can't argue with what he's saying because what he's saying is let's reconnect with beauty. And beauty is the path towards love. So Dr. Zach Bush is such a phenomenal thought leader beyond a doctor. His wisdom truly is transcendental. And in this conversation we speak about a lot of things regarding health, but taking health beyond the body. So I ask him questions like how do we create trust in our body when we may have had illness or disease that caused us to distrust or even fear our bodies? What can nature teach us about healing? How has the patriarchy impacted our view of health? How is fear and scarcity holding us back from truly being healthy? And he shares with us a message that he received from a deep meditative experience connecting with Christ energy that truly transformed his life. So I'm deeply excited to share this really beautiful conversation and at this time where we seem to be at war with our bodies. It's such a beautiful reminder to listen to them because our bodies and everything that is showing up in them has a message. And when we create a war with our bodies, we're creating a war with ourselves and we're creating a war with Earth. And we are all connected to each other and to her. So without further ado, let's welcome Dr. Zach Bush to the Highest self podcast.

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I'm super excited to see you in there. Welcome, Zach, to the Highest self podcast. It's so great to have you here.

Great to be on with you, Sarah.

And the first question I'd love to ask you is what makes you your highest self?

It's interesting. I am kind of in a rebirth process this year. I think this is one of those processes that you keep thinking you've checked a box or you've gotten to another level only to find out that there's lots more layers to the onion skin to peel back. But this year I've been able to begin to express myself much differently in human relationship across the spectrum of, you know, corporate world to, you know, just education space, nonprofit space to large finance. Like it almost doesn't matter this the environment. I've learned to express myself differently this year through some work that I'd been doing in the course of miracles under the tutelage of one of my close colleagues. And she has been, you know, channeling and working in the course of miracles for 30 years. And so, you know, one of the world experts in that space of content and she really helped me transition this year to an understanding of kind of this vertical relationship between yourself and the divine and through some other work that I've been doing in the work of Mary Magdalene and the like, starting to understand how the context of the divine feminine can express itself in me as a male or whatnot. And so it's been an incredible journey into winding the divine masculine and feminine together within myself and seeing what it is that wants to be expressed through me as a soul, as a unique entity in the context of this whole field of the knowingness of the universe, you know, how do each of us show up to express another pixel or fractal of that larger universal knowingness, that universal connectedness? And it's been a real joy for me to find new creative flow and new personal sense of self and self discovery even in this combination of the. The divine masculine and feminine within my own person.

I love that so much. And you so rarely hear men working with Mary Magdalene and the Sophia energy. So I love to hear that. And you know, so much of the medical field is so, so masculine, really, so patriarchal. Like, I have been really researching about just like the whole like ob GYN space and the origins of that and the different methods that were, you know, essentially came up with at a time that they believed women, especially black women, didn't experience pain. And how we haven't even been updating these different methodologies such as colposcopies and you know, even like pap smears, etc. And it just really shows you that there has been such little, little reverence for the feminine, for the feminine body. And, you know, especially with doctors. Like, we want to trust our doctors. And then it's. I think a lot of us are in this tough place that we're like, we want to do what's best for us. We want to do what's best for our health. And we genuinely don't know if what our doctors are telling us is that. So what is your advice for people who are on a more holistic path and also want to genuinely be taking care of themselves and not also going with any dogma that could prevent them from getting the best care?

Yeah, I think that in general, you want to assemble around yourself a team that sees you as a healthy individual. No matter if you have a list of conditions that you're dealing with or not, you are inherently a 99.999% healthy individual that may be expressing disorder or disease somewhere in your body, but you want a team that's really capable of embracing the whole you. And if your care team, practitioners, physicians, whatever it is, is focused Primarily on that 0.0001% of you that is manifesting a disorder or disease, you probably want to either change that least diversify that team so that the whole of you is being embraced. And what we find through that lens of disease management, that you are chasing the wind in an effort to throw wet blankets on this fire that's burning within you, whether it's be an inflammatory process or whatnot, you're never getting at that root cause until you back up far enough to find the 100% of the individual and understand how they're expressing themselves physiologically as well as spiritually, emotionally and beyond. And when you get into that 30,000 foot view, it becomes very obvious that there's recurrent patterns in the ways in which diseases manifest within human bodies. And so some woman showing up with cervical cancer at a young age, or showing up with an autoimmune disease of the thyroid at a young age, these are manifestations of a disorder or dysfunction within the greater ecosystem around that individual. And it's not an individual problem, it's a population expression that's happening. And until we start to back up far enough to see that, we're not going to understand why there's an epidemic of autoimmune disease in women. Why is there an epidemic of, you know, cervical cancer or whatnot? It's not until we start to understand an individual woman in the context of her greater environment that we really start to stumble upon root cause solutions, root cause opportunities to change that woman's trajectory, not just in the disease, but actually her trajectory of life itself. And when you get that team around you, that's as curious, if not more curious about your spiritual development on this journey than what score on the colposcopy you're getting on the pathology report. You're going to have a very rewarding experience as you move higher and higher up that stratosphere of care where your care team becomes part of your. The mirror that's going to help you in this spiritual pursuit of self. And once you really reach that state of I am, you will see disorder and disease disappear. It has to, because the I am state where you are so in resonance with your own soul and your own soul purpose, that coherent resonance is what destroys cancer cells. You know, the. It raises the memory of autoimmunity. It just clears the whole slate, gives you this new canvas to go paint the I am on. And so I really encourage everybody to begin a daily journey. If it's in your purview that you've had a lot of health problems and disorders, diseases, whatever they've been labeled to begin the day of burning that list in your head and just clearing that table to say, look, that's not me. I'm something much grander and more beautiful and powerful than any list that western medicine could possibly hand me. I am a divine being and I'm expressing myself in the context of a world, a society, a humanity that's unplugged from its natural law, that's unplugged from its natural state of being. And therefore there's great amounts of disorder and disease. But it's not a personal problem. It's not. I'm all but a symptom of this greater organism of humanity until I find that I am moment. And then I can have a direct divine relationship, relationship to source. That eliminates the toxicity and the pressure of the epigenetics around you from your parents and all the toxicity they've seen, the traumas they've seen, you know, dating back 40 generations. You can erase all of that if you can reach that, that moment of, of kind of that I am singularity, vertical relationship with the divine. That's when all other inputs become irrelevant.

I'd love for you to share more about this I am. And what does that really mean, especially to you and your experience and how do we cultivate more of that energy?

Yeah, it's a listening into self that gets you there. And the discovery in the I am state is one of self acceptance for sure. But it's actually, if I was going to put a finer point on it, it feels like coming home. And when you have that experience of this is my home, it shifts the whole mentality of the effort that you feel like you've been putting into getting through a day or defining yourself in the context of relationships, defining yourself in the context of your job and professional identity, defining yourself in the context of being a young parent or, you know, being a child of aging parents or whatever it is all of those externalized, you know, systems that are seeking to co opt your real identity. When you get into that I am state, you land in this space of knowingness where you really, truly lose the scarcity mentality and you find yourself in an absolute state of abundance. And that's the moment you're looking for. When you're traveling towards I am or I'm home. You're traveling towards this moment of such divine nurture, such divine acceptance of who you are, where you are, how you got there, the path you took, all of those things being perfect to get you to that I am moment. And when you're in that I am moment. You become so much bigger than anything you've ever experienced before. You can experience this, you know, in the kind of psychological space of seeing more things, seeing more opportunities, but you can really get it in that spiritual realm of the invisible space of how big are you? And start to feel into how extraordinarily magnificent it is that you are an energy field that's hovering between this ethereal quality of the sun, the soil, the plants that would feed you. You're in this thin strip of biology that populates such a tiny percentage of the universe. And yet this is where you chose to show up. You're showing up in a biologic particle state as an expression of this age old light being, this literal soul that's emanating life, animating life within this biologic matrix of a human body. And so it's this lovely experience, the I am state is coming into tune, into coherence with that original waveform of self, that original eminent light being. And that I am state, when you recognize and feel that for the first time is transformational, like you will shift perspective across all sectors of relationship to personal identity, to your sense of purpose itself will begin to shift. And the path into that, as you know, looks a little different for each of us. But the mechanisms along the path, I think, are very similar. And it has almost always to do with how good are you getting at listening and how good are you at being still for a moment? It doesn't take, you know, three hours of meditation to reach that space. It can happen in a split second where you remember to come back home, come back into this energetic resonance state where you simply express self. When you simply express, this is who I am, and my God, I'm alive right now. I have vitality within me. How precious is that, how miraculous is that, that I happen to be an ancient light being in a momentary particle state, expressing something of beauty and witnessing the beauty around me. And that's, I think, the purpose to becoming I am, is becoming witness to beauty. And that's why we're here. And our entire neurologic systems are wired for the reception of the neurologic experience of beauty. And it's exciting that you've never had to be taught that a sunset is beautiful, that a flower has a beautiful scent to it, or whatever it is. And so it's exciting that we are neurologically wired for awareness of beauty within the universe that we're resonating. And within that beauty we find ourselves. And we find out that we are Exquisite, beautiful, light beings that are expressing themselves through these physical shells.

I love how you share that about beauty. I remember I went to this conference few years ago, and she asked us to pick between three qualities. Would you want to make the world a place that's more good, more truthful, or more beautiful? We all had to go around and say it. And at that point in my journey, I was activist. I'm like, well, obviously good, like a better place. Like, isn't that the whole point? And I was like, why would someone pick beauty? Like, that's not important. We have things that we need to change and things that we need to do. And now, today, my answer would be beauty, because none of that stuff really matters if we can't enjoy it. But, you know, our Western culture makes us so obsessed with, like, productivity and improvement. Especially for those of us on a personal development journey. We're like, how can I heal the shadows and fix them and, like, get even better? And sometimes it's just to revere in the beauty of this moment and who we are and the magnificence of even being alive. So for those who may be struggling with that, who may be looking at the world around them and saying what's beautiful about this or even dis ease that's manifested within them, how do we acknowledge the shadows in the world and inside of us while choosing this lens of beauty?

Yeah, One of the big differentiators on the beauty front for me came when a friend helped me get past a blah, blah, blah that I had had for quite some time was the concept of love. And I was lecturing widely, studying broadly the intersection between planetary health and human health, and how our chemical practices around agriculture were having this extraordinarily negative impact on life within soil systems, life within human biology. We were literally, we're seeping the energy of life out of the planet through our chemical agriculture. So I was already intensely kind of in this analytical space of understanding. What I was more deeply disturbed by was that the way in which humans were interacting suggested we were a very, very long way from some sort of enlightenment that would allow us to stop being destructive and extractive beings. And the focal point for that was the concept of love. I was seeing so much evidence that humans don't love each other and humans don't love the earth that has given life to them. Humans don't love, you know, a natural system of God or universe or, you know, this universal knowingness. Humans don't love anything that I can find consistently enough to treat it with reverence. Instead we tend to treat it as a commodity, as something to be extracted, something to be consumed, something to be owned. This state of dominion and ownership drive in Western cultures perhaps in particular, but that was putting me in this crisis state of, like, my God, how are we ever going to make this leap to some sort of enlightened love state if we're this far away from enlightenment, you know, as a species, and we're speeding towards the sixth extinction event on the planet? And we're going to be caught up in that somewhere in the next 60 to 100 years at our current pace. And so it's unaccept. Acceptable in my mind that we go extinct. Not understanding the fabric of everything that I've been told is love. And my colleague came back from a Claire Genic journey that he was doing in meditation with a message for me that from Christ energy in this context, but came back with a message saying, zach, the fabric of everything is not love. And I knew that the next sentence would be the most important thing I'd ever heard, and it would put me on a track that was much more close to my purpose. And that next sentence was, the fabric of everything is beauty, and the experience of seeing beauty is love. And suddenly I realized that as humanity, we are this close to that enlightenment moment because we all know what beauty looks like. We all have the experience of being able to witness beauty even when we're exhausted, even when we have broken relationships, even when we have, you know, fill in the blank disaster or trauma happening. It never supersedes our capacity to see beauty. We can always see the sunset and say, that's beautiful. No matter how close we are to this sixth extinction event or whatnot. And so that we're that close was a huge paradigm shift of hope within me that said, wow, as humans, we are neurologically, if not even spiritually tuned to be witness to beauty. And when we experience that beauty, we will. Will have the sensation and experience of love. And we will feel into that to find a new relationship to everything, to the planet, to the life within it, to the vitality within our bodies, to our own spirit, to our own sense of identity. These are so close to being realized within each of us, and that's a relief.

Can you repeat that sentence again? The message that you received, the fabric.

Of everything is not love. The fabric of everything is beauty. And the experience of seeing beauty will give you the experience of love. And it's such a relief to find out that all of these efforts to love yourself are actually exhaustive. You have to go Love yourself, Go fall in love with yourself. Well, that sensation of love lasts for about seven seconds in the brain. The amygdala, we can trigger these amygdala, these experiences of love. A dopamine rush, norepinephrine, epinephrine shift. You know, we can feel this pleasure surge happen and we call it love. But to be in constant pursuit every seven seconds of that love experience is what I was really frustrated with and worried about, honestly, for humanity, of like, wow, if we have to work that hard to come into love for ourselves, we've got a serious problem. Like, we're not, we're not going to make it. But the experience of beauty is passive. You don't have to do anything to be witness to beauty. You just have to stand still for a moment. And so it's an exciting reality that to fall in love with the universe, to fall in love with yourself is actually an exercise in standing still long enough to find your own beauty, to find the beauty around you. And when you do that, you will experience a state of love rather than the emotion of love because the beauty is permanent. The beauty has a permanence to it that does not waver in regards to the environment around that beauty. The beauty is beautiful for the soldier who's fallen in the field and shot down by machine gun fire for another useless war. That soldier will die in the beauty of that sunset. Irregardless of the state of affairs that led to the brokenness and the dysfunction that leads to that situation. Family that is refugees from war torn countries right now sees beauty in one another. The stories that came out of the concentration camps, World War II, people found beauty in one another and they cared for each other in such exquisite ways in the most extreme horror that had ever happened. And yet the beauty was still there. And we have these extraordinary stories of lovers or spouses that were separated in concentration camps, assumed the other one was dead for years, held close to the beauty of that person, despite them believing that they were gone and then to be reunited decades later. It's an unbelievable pattern through these most horrific chapters of human history that beauty persists and beauty is real. And learning to practice that in your life, you're going to become very resilient and very regenerative in your capacity to tolerate the trauma and the chaos of the human experience as it's unfolding.

I love that so much and I think, yeah, self love is so challenging, but really to look at the beauty in yourself and instead of being like, I love my stomach, I swear I love it, but you actually don't to, like, see the beauty in your stomach, and then it houses your organs, and it keeps your womb, space alive and all of that. Now, for people who may be in a health challenge, that they may be angry at their bodies, they feel like their bodies failed them for whatever reason, or they may be angry at themselves for not catching it sooner. How can we find let beauty heal that again? I think sometimes we feel like if I accept it, then I'll be okay with it and it will persist. So it's like I need to do whatever I can to change this. But then that energy is like a warlike energy within itself.

Yeah. I think that's what we hand you as doctors. We hand you a battle, and we say, you've got to fight against the cancer. You got to fight against the autoimmune disease. We need to suppress your immune system. It's this warlike mentality that we practice in our toolbox of Western medicine all the time. And so we pass that on to individuals, patients, et cetera, through that warlike mentality that each of us carries because of our own training, education, and the toolbox of pharmacy that we're given, which is all battle mode. Kill the bacteria, kill the viruses, kill, whatever. And when you wake up every day trying to decide as a physician or as a patient, what do I need to kill today, you end up losing a lot of life. You end up depleting yourself at a very deep level. And so making that shift towards realizing you are a sovereign being that's expressing disorder or disease. It becomes a lot easier to shift the orientation of your energy and where you're putting it. The journey towards self is very often fraught with traumas, disorder, disease, exhaustion, dysfunction within relationships, or dysfunction within your job or professional identity, all of these levels. It is the friction of those moments that bring you closer to the knowingness of who you actually are. And so learning to embrace, if not at least giving grace to, the disorder that's seemingly plaguing you right now is a really important shift. And that's what I focus on every single initial visit in my clinic. I spend that first two hours with that patient helping reorient them to a state of gratitude for their journey rather than a state of anger or battle, all of that stuff. And so I've got this opportunity with each patient to be a part of a different journey. And it's so much more rewarding as a practitioner or a physician to be alongside a journey of healing that is in league with an understanding and in fact, an appreciation for the path, for the journey. And so we have the program that we teach online is called the Journey into Intrinsic Health. And it's literally embracing the fact that you aren't going to feel well every day. That's part of being human. There's going to be long periods of time where you feel disconnect within your body. When you feel disconnect between body and spirit, there's going to be long periods of intense friction between the people around you. Maybe it's your immediate family, maybe it's extended family, maybe it's work environments. You're going to feel extreme friction over and over again until you are in a flow state. And to get that flow state going faster in your life, it's not a work harder scenario. It's actually a surrender faster scenario. And so remembering that you are in a current of energy that is taking you towards your highest path. And the more you cling on to the rocks that you bump into, the more you identify yourself with the hard, unmoving objects around you, the more you cling to the roots at the edge of the river, the more you're trying to resist change, the more you're trying to work so hard to overcome the current that you're stuck in, the more wasted energy has been achieved, you know, the more exhausted you're going to be. And so it's learning to let go into the flow of that current of life that is inherently taking you to where you must be. At the termination of your contract with the soul body connection that you currently have, you are going to get there. And I've seen through my hospice work, tens of, you know, hundreds, thousands of cases of patients in those last few minutes of life, realizing it was all perfect, realizing the journey of estranged children and broken, you know, sense of self or deep insecurities about their role as parents or children or whatever it is, suddenly resolve themselves in a split second as veil becomes very thin and they can see that the destination was exactly the destination that was ordained and that they are getting there and that they arrived there for largely the frictions and dysfunctions and disorders and diseases that happened in their lifetime. Here they are, they're in the right moment, they're fully accepted, they're fully loved by source, by this divine within them, landing, finding that sense of I am, I am home. If you get there in the split second before you let go of this body and go through what we would call death, it is always a rebirth, it is always an expansion. It's always this beautiful unfolding of something much greater than a human body could ever manifest. And so if death itself can be a rebirth to the process of surrender, what a glorious thing life could be if we would begin the surrender process much earlier than we tend to in these western cultures. We need to surrender faster. We need to teach our children to surrender into the flow of the universe and to accept the journey. What came to you today and how did you react to that? What did you decide to manifest in the flow of the energy that you're in today? What did you expect to see and what did you see? Was there a disconnect between those? Are you letting go of the concept of need and starting to walk into the concept of abundance? These are the tools, these are the lexicon that we could begin to practice together with our children or with our peers or with our elders to really ask the right questions in the day of Are we getting closer to an acceptance of the flow state of being alive, being in thrive and being witness to beauty on all the fractal levels from whatever position we hold that day, whether that be out hiking a trail, 14,000 Foot Mountain, Rocky mountains, or laying in bed with chronic fatigue, chronic pain syndromes, and from that bed having the quietness and stillness to be able to find the deeper beauty within the human, human life and the human generative capacity. So those are the, you know, some of those brushstrokes that come in for me as you're reflecting those questions.

I love that. And how much do you feel like it's destiny? Do you think there are certain, even health ailments and challenges that we are destined to have that are part of our soul's contract or karma for us to work through? And how much of it is biology or created by our environments, et cetera.

Those are all inseparable in my mind. The environment that we've created as humanity is our path. We had to play out this scenario that we were against nature, that we needed to control nature, that we needed to extract the medicine from nature, that we needed to control the food production on the planet so nobody would starve. The sense of control, dominion, ownership, intellectual property, finding the secret pill, all of these things and traits, that was our journey. We had to do that. We had to walk this path to ask ourselves, are we God? Are we creating everything? Or are we subject to this more universal energy that we would call God and we are actually a part of the relationship, the dance between this all knowing field of energy within the universe and the biologic manifestations that are coming out of that dance of life between the physics and the biology. And so we in this biologic dance are going to manifest disorder, disease, paths that look broken, paths that look dysfunctional, all that's going to exist. And it's perfect because in the end, those, the friction between those two realities of you are always in flow. You're always going to your appropriate endpoint and you're resisting change. And you're trying, not trying to micromanage something that's so complex and beyond your imagination and its beauty. And so it's the friction between those two realities that create disorder and disease. So if you're finding yourself with a high degree of inflammation, dysfunction, disorder in your body, I'm quite confident that the world has taught you to cling to things that are not in the flow state that taking you to your highest path. So the faster you can let go of those things, faster you can let go of those beliefs, the quicker you're going to come into this I am state of like, oh, I'm in the perfect spot. I'm here to manifest life. I'm here as an expression of life. And this is how it's expressing itself in my body right now. And maybe that seems very limited. Maybe I'm limited to my bed for a period of time while I recollect the energy from the flow state now that I've let go of all the beliefs and identities that were keeping me anchored to an old self or a false self. And as I become true, as I become resonant and cohesive and coherent with my true waveform of this light being that I would call a soul, it's going to make everything so much more efficient. The use of energy in my body will be so much more vital, and my capacity to shift the way in which other people experience life will be, you know, manifest through my work as a physician or as an educator or whatever it is. And so it's an exciting, you know, interplay that as I become surrendered and I stop trying to micromanage the experience of each patient or their disease and start to be willing for something more beautiful and something much more mega than my own capacity to express itself in this patient's life, my own surrender towards that brings that individual to the faster and more complete capacity to surrender themselves. And when they see no fear in me as a practitioner, watching them surrender in the context of a story or narrative of cancer, they gain confidence quickly. And it's that really cool snowball effect where humans being mirrors to other humans become the most powerful modes of transformation, transmutation and all of this. And so I believe that that's where community comes in. So interestingly is that I've actually never seen anybody heal in isolation. I've only seen people heal in the context of relationship. And that's usually a relationship to a group of practitioners, but sometimes it's a relationship to a grandmother or it's a relationship to a mentor or something like this in life. And that becomes the mirror that the person can finally see themselves in. And they shift their whole mentality seemingly in split seconds, and then manifest a different body, and they manifest a different level of vitality within them as they make that change, having seen themselves for just a moment in a clean mirror.

I so agree with group and collective healing, joy based healing. And you know, in the. There was a story of this. After the Rwandan genocide, the US Government, I don't know if you heard that this. They sent a group of psychologists and psychiatrists to Rwanda to work with the people who just witnessed a genocide and so many of their friends and family killed. And they sent these psychologists to the village. And after a few days, the village kicked them out. And the government was like, why did.

You just kick out?

These are our top psychiatrists and psychologists. And the people said, no, no, no, I think you sent the wrong people. Because these people wanted to take us away from our tribe to sit in a dark room and keep talking about what happened. But in Rwanda, the way that we heal is we go outside and we join hands under the sun and we sing and we dance and we allow ourselves to be enchanted by stories. That's how we heal. And I feel like that is what's missing in the Western culture. It's so about what happened and what's wrong. And let me create a new label about that and analyze it and keep going back to and back to it. And like, if there's still any resonance of it, it's not healed and you're still broken. And sometimes the best thing that we can do is just to put it on a shelf for a while and go outside and be enchanted by song, dance, and story. And that's really the true healing that we need.

Yeah. And in a nutshell, you just described that reality of beauty, which is no matter what horror humans can think up and execute, it never diminishes the beauty. And so the Rwandans are recognizing the beauty of song, community, storytelling, and its capacity for resilience and regeneration within their bodies. And so it's a perfect example of what it would look like to have a society that does not dwell in the trauma, that does not dwell in the darkness, but is always paying attention to the sources of beauty around them and recognizing that beauty cannot be diminished by the human traumatic journey.

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Now back to the episode. I think too our over identification with our diseases of like, you know, let's say you get a certain autoimmune disease. For me, I dealt with amenorrhea for two years. I didn't get my period and I had perimenopausal symptoms. And I think the first part of it is you want to learn everything about it. You're obsessed with it. It's all you talk about. And then you find other people like that and it's, it's like the point of connection. But then it becomes this almost like identification of like I am an autoimmune warrior. Like that is who I am. Nothing else in my life matters. And it's almost like then we keep repeating that story which is manifesting this is the whole of who I am when it's just a momentary experience. So what is your advice for people right now who may be currently obsessed with whatever their healing thing is. And how can we connect to something larger than that?

I think that what I see in clinic is that the fervor that we put into our disease identities is actually misplaced fervor for wanting to be seen. So if you can acknowledge within yourself that your desire to have the label of autoimmune thyroid disease, or Hashimoto's or polycystic ovarian syndrome, or whatever you need to come up with in your list of diagnoses and disorders, when you recognize that you're clinging to those for a misplaced sense of need, your real need is for you to be seen, for your soul to be seen in its life force and in its purpose. And if you can let go of that list of disorders and diseases that are affecting your body and allow for space to actually hold on to something bright, the hope within you, your capacity to witness beauty, your capacity to experience love. And through that beauty, that is a lot of space to play in, that has a profoundly positive endpoint, not just for you, but for the ecosystem and culture around you, your immediate family, your larger community, et cetera. And so it's exciting for us to acknowledge how much energy we put into that activist mentality, which ends up reinforcing the very thing that we're hating and reinforcing our sense of autoimmune disease being a good thing is we feel like our body is against us because antibodies are attacking our own body. Therefore we're at war with ourself. And if we get more and more angry and, you know, experience more and more animosity towards this thing called autoimmune disease, we are simply reinforcing the entire physiologic discordance that's leading to that event in the first place. And I think we can fall into that trap when we're activists in just about anything, you know, and when we move away from being future manifestors to being angry at current paradigm, we lose our power. We immediately give our power away to the very thing that we dislike about the environment, the current narrative, whatever it is. And so as we look at this pandemic as the largest fear and guilt paradigm that's ever unfolded on our planet, the grand scale of 7.8 billion people directly affected by a narrative about a virus. And so. So this is the grandest example of what we are capable of manifesting in our belief of war against nature and our belief that nature is here to attack us. And it is a turning point for us right now. Are we going to embrace the narrative of against nature, or are we going to begin to reimagine humanity within the context of a nature that's always been pushing for more adaptation, more biodiversity, more vitality within the life forms. Therefore we became real. We had to march through the fifth extinction of the dinosaurs and everything else, so that there would be enough intelligence within the biorome, within the genetic record of Earth, within all those viruses to actually manifest. Deciduous trees, flowering plants, mammals and ultimately humans. We are the result of the stress of previous extinction events because nature is inherently always pushing for more adaptation, for more biodiversity, for more intelligent connection to the knowledge field. This connection being something we would call consciousness. And so we are manifesting and we have been manifested as part of this natural march of nature towards being a better and better witness to her own beauty. We are the highest manifestation of life on earth in our capacity to witness and communicate beauty. We are here to do this thing thing. We are here to be witness to this. If we choose to be separate and we choose a state of scarcity and we choose a state of against nature, against ourselves, we will be short lived. But we will have still contributed something massive to this planet in that we became capable of art. And so every piece of music ever created, every piece of fine art ever created, every poem ever written, I believe is the perfect record of our capacity as a species to create and co create beauty within the universe we live. And so we have done that, we have achieved that, and maybe that was enough. And so when we march into an extinction event, we won't have to do it out of a sense of failure. We will have showed up and we will have been able to participate in the co creation of beauty in ways that none of the other animals on the planet have ever been able to. We will have a record of song, we will have a record of written word, we will have a record of sculptures that date back tens of thousands of years. We will have a record of the exquisite capacity of humans to touch one another with a sense of love and beauty and reverence. And for that we've contributed something pretty massive to this field of consciousness, to the connection between biology and, and a field of knowledge in the universe. We are at that God connection. We are at that I am state and that's enough. And so we can give ourselves a huge permission slip to say that we have done it to the best of our capacity. And there's been a lot of light in amidst the darkness that we've created and the destruction we've wreaked on the planet. But there will be more beauty to follow. It does not end with humanity. Our own extinction is hardly going to be a blip on the radar of the expression of beauty within the universe, within even our small planet. And so there will be more beauty to be seen, and there will be more complex biology that will follow humans because of the nature of nature, which is always more adaptation, more capacity for biodiversity, a more robust capacity for knowledge, consciousness, and the like. And so there will be more creativity and more beauty on the planet in the thousands of years, millions of years to come. Come, whether or not we stay to play is only part of the story.

And sometimes, yeah, just as you said, the best way to heal from something is to create art. Not to keep reading about it and talking about it and freaking out over it, but to sculpt, to dance, to paint, to come back to the things that we love to do as children that for some reason, we were made to believe were not worthwhile. Those are our greatest healers. And I truly believe that if everyone was in any type of flow state, whatever medium it was on a daily basis, I mean, we wouldn't have definitely the pandemic, but many, many pandemics and epidemics that we're simultaneously in right now, simply by doing things that don't even need to be that complex, things that, again, we've used to do as children, but, again, feel like they're not worthwhile. So for people who right now are maybe fearful, they're fearful about the way that humanity is going, the metaverse, things getting more technological. We're wanting to connect back to nature, but it almost feels like the ship is sailing and there's nothing we can do. First of all, what are your thoughts on the metaverse and VR becoming our main reality? And how can we bring nature and indigenous wisdom along with us?

Yeah, I think technology will always miss the target of the human experience in its fullness because it's not going to engage us emotionally or spiritually the same way in which life does. And so no matter how visually or sensory stimulating the VR world becomes, it's not going to move us towards a spiritual space of awareness of the I am. And so ultimately, there will be a huge counterculture movement that will be equal and opposite to the technologic march. And we see that already. We see this huge movement towards growing your own food during the pandemic. We see a huge movement towards screen free time for kids. There's a growing awareness among parents that having kids on screens all day long is toxic, and it screws up their capacity for socialization, consciousness Itself, self expression, creativity, all of these things get shut down by this technological co optation and industry distraction of the brain. And we can do this, you know, with, with Netflix, you know, or whatever it is as adults. We get sucked into these distractive, you know, states of being where we're simply a receptacle for other people's narratives and other people's, you know, schema for distraction. Like you said so powerfully, stepping back into a creative role is your path to freedom. And so sit and play that musical instrument that you haven't been picking up as frequently, sit and do that, you know, fine art practice, or sit and simply be witness to nature for a short or long period of time in the day. And it will fundamentally change your sense of self, your vitality, your capacity to express yourself an authentic way where you're really speaking from and expressing from. I am. There's going to be a different energy to you, and you will start to attract much different things and people to you as you make those changes yourself. So you will begin to manifest a different reality around you as you find your path back to true authentic creativity and the capacity to create beauty in your life. And that path is inevitable. I've seen it too often, you know, at the bedside of dying patients, to know that that is ultimately what's going to happen again. You are going to become a co creator in the universe. Even if it's in the last few seconds of your life, life that you come to realize that, you will realize it and you will immediately move beyond the veil and you will co create with the universe once again. And so if there's this blip on the radar of VR and Megaverse and, you know, all of these things that sound horrific even before they're created, it's not hard for us to immediately move past that narrative and vision to a natural law state where humans have learned that nature is inherently abundant, inherently in support of more life within you, you, within me, within our communities. The fabric of nature, the fabric of life itself is here to foster more of you, more of your capacity to express self. And so when you put yourself into alignment with that, it has to powerfully transform all other narratives that would try to sneak in, distract you, fill your mind, spirit with, you know, hopelessness or sense of, you know, disempowered state, state. Move back into that creative state, move back into your space of surrender, say, hey, there's a universal flow, I want to be in it. I'm going to let go of all expectations and I'm going to Let go of all my list of needs. I don't have needs. I have the desire to see more beauty and I have a desire to participate in that beauty. That is a much different day than I need this from my spouse, I need this from my kids, I need this from my work. I need this from the Netflix content tonight. All of those needs of adventure and distraction and productivity and it's a chasing after the wind. You will not find yourself in that list of needs. You will find yourself in the quiet current below the needs in a state of abundance, in a state of releasing the belief of dominion and ownership. And you start to become a steward of life rather than somebody trying to fight off death. Become a steward of life within your yourself. Become a steward of life through your co creative capacity for beauty.

And so true. I hear so many people talking about how do we increase our lifespan to live to 120 years, 50 years? And it's like, what's the point if we're not enjoying, like spend all of our time to live longer and then. And then what? And I'd love to hear your take on, you know, sometimes when I speak to people who are more on the mainstream technology and science path and I speak to them about nature, they say, well before science and technology, people were dying at age 30 or age 40. People were dying of diseases all the time. So the reason why we have such long lifespans is because of this. So what is your response to that?

Yeah, so actually we had long, long lived peoples for thousands of years. Right. And so there's a lot of people that would live deeper in the human record, hundreds of years of age. And so we have intense longevity at every era. The average age of death in around 1900, for example, was around 48 in the United States. But that was because there was so much traumatic death that was associated with childbirth and early traumas in manufacturing environments and things like that. If you lived past the age of 40, your likelihood of living to 80 was about equivalent today. But there was just a lot of early death due to toxic environments, dangerous environments in manufacturing and the industrial revolution that was happening. And the quality and scale or the durability or longevity of life that occurred between 1900 and 1960 had really nothing to do with modern medicine or anything like that. It had everything to do with a shift in water purity in inner city environments and a reduction of air pollution from coal burning heating systems throughout New York and other large cities at the turn of the 20th century. So as we cleaned up our air, water and food systems in that first half of the century, longevity improved dramatically. We made other public health interventions as well. Things as simple as seat belts and things like that improved longevity. And so we made simple decisions and movements that reduced the amount of trauma, traumatic death. What we saw in the latter half of the century was a diminution of life expectancy again. And so we shot from, like, age 48 to 78 and 82 by late 1970s, and then from the late 70s to the year 2000, 2005, et cetera, we see this decrement of age expectancy again in the United States, dipping into the 70s again. And now concerns that we may see a whole new revolution in the amount of childhood and early adult loss of life from cancers and autoimmune disease and all these things that have become epidemic metabolic diseases, obesity, and the complications thereof. So we're deep into, you know, loss of longevity as a civilization, and we will have no choice but to reap the consequences of that in the next 10, 20 years as our children die faster and faster. And those, our younger people are more and more tragically expressing this intense level of disconnect to their nature because of the amount of antibiotics they see, the amount of herbicides and pesticides that they eat, the amount of disconnect from that natural soil within themselves, the microbes that would create a healthy, thriving human body, are dying under the toxic pressure of everything from our food system to our cosmetics. We are poisoning our bodies at every turn. And therefore we're putting in an intense epigenetic pattern towards disease and dysfunction. We have 1 in 3 males in the United States now sterile by sperm count. That's unacceptable level of collapse of fertility. And with that collapse of fertility comes extinction. We cannot engineer ourselves out of this situation. There's not enough IVF to keep humanity alive. There's only the march towards, towards this loss of life within us. Until we bring ourselves back into this natural law, back into this realization that we are all one. The microbes of the soil are as important as any macroeconomic system we ever created. So we need to make sure our macroeconomics start to align with the microbiology of our soil systems. If the money of movement at the big billion trillion dollar level is not having a positive impact on soil mycology and soil biology, then we're doing the wrong thing. We've disconnected human productivity from natural systems that support life. And so that's a lot of what my companies do is envision technologies, products, et cetera, that bring us back into that alignment where macro finance, macro energy, and technologies start to match and align themselves with natural systems of carbon loops, carbon cycles within soil systems within the microbial digestion, metabolism and the like. And so that it's been a really exciting, you know, 10 year journey to go beyond the clinic and start to see how we can heal a planet, and we can certainly heal a culture and a species, as we bring coherence of natural law and natural systems into the human behavior. And so that the technologies, the VR that we create in the future, could actually bring us closer to an understanding of disorder and disease and dysfunction function, if it learns the narrative of natural law, if it learns the narrative of how does life unfold within a human body. So VR could become an important tool to help people visualize what a cancer is and why it's not scary and why it's actually their most important guide to their highest form of self expression. And their own exploration and discovery of self will be through that cancer journey. And so VR could take people on an extraordinary journey of freedom and empowerment. But it's going to have to be based on the change of mindset behind the programmer who would give us the VR in the first place. The mindset of the programmer and the big corporations that are controlling those programmers is we need to gamify the human experience to make more money. And that's the goal. Then the megaverse will take over and accelerate the extinction event on the planet, period. It will speed it up and it will complete it. If instead we start to envision an Internet, a software environment where all of the AI systems of intelligence are modeled after mycelial networks, so that all curiosity among humans is augmented and supported by an AI system connecting you to the resources that the mycelium would need. Put trees in touch with each other so that they have the right nutrients and they have the right communication network to understand the greater whole. If the Internet were to work as mycelial network, we would have nothing to worry about from VR, ir, all of these different AI systems. This is going to be a turning point. Can we learn systems of natural law, systems of natural biology within our technologies, or will we continue to put all of that ingenuity and productivity against that and nature?

So beautifully said. And yeah, it's really up to us. And our level of consciousness is really what will choose this. Everything can be used from technology, even to our food systems in light and or shadow ways. Specifically on the question on fertility and the decrease in fertility, do you feel like a lot of this is related to EMFs, chemtrails? Like what do you think some of these causes are?

I think the vast majority is toxicity of our food system. So the amount of herbicides and pesticides that we get in food residues today are just grotesque. And they're killing the mitochondria, which are the bacteria inside of our cells. So as we lose mitochondrial density, we lose the vitality of life itself. So it undermines our capacity to resist disease, it undermines our capacity for reproduction. So I think the toxicity of the food system is number one one. Right behind that would be the toxicity of our consumer products, which would be plastics in the form of endocrine disruptors, which would be the 160 chemicals that an average American or Western woman is exposed to through her chemical cosmetics in a day. And so food followed by plastics and endocrine disruptors followed by cosmetics are probably the three biggest offenders of, of human survival at this point.

Yeah, I think it's a great reminder for us because do you feel like just buying organic foods is enough or do you feel like a lot of these organic foods still, the mineral is still not rich, et cetera.

Unfortunately, the USDA organic certification is a list of 30 things not to do. Don't spray this, don't do that, don't do this. At no point in that 30 point checklist does it mention anything about soil health, microbiology, nutrient density, chloric quality. There's no mention of health anywhere in the checklist of USDA organic. And so in a classic regulatory governmental solution, we created no solution at all. In fact, we created a label that it has no reflection back towards the actual behavior of the farmer and their soil that they're managing. So when I set out to make a documentary on the impact of herbicides in the Mississippi river on cancer, I thought that I was going to tell people to all buy organic and shop, you know, grow organic and all this, only to find out that a lot of the soils on USDA organic farms are worse in quality than the chemical farms next door. And so it was this terrifying moment of like, my God, I thought all we had to do was organic and now we have to do what we have to do. Regenerative agriculture. What the heck is that? Nobody had heard of that term, you know, a few years back. So, so we've been part of, you know, with the farmer's footprint and Project Biome and all this that we've been involved with globally. Now we're just a participant in what has been a decades old effort to prove that there is importance of soil management food systems that would result from that soil management that will have an incredible impact on human biology and so survival. And so that revolution is afoot. And the only way you're going to be a part of that revolution right now, because labeling hasn't been helpful or effective at connecting the dots on is this food actually nutrient dense? Was the soil actually taken care of or not? You have to know your farmer. That's the only solution we have right now. And so to do that, you need to get to a farmer's market, you need to get to a csa. There's no city in America that doesn't have access to the those. There are rural towns that don't have access to that, in which case you're going to have to, in these extreme rural environments, become the grower, you know, grow a backyard garden again and be part of that, even if it's just seasonal, even if it's a few plants. You have to start to participate back in the soil management of the world that you live in. And the closer you get to the soil, the more community you're going to find around that soil, the more community you're going to discover. You're going to meet farmers, you're going to meet people who are engaged in urban gardening and backyard gardening, rooftop gardening. You're going to start to attract this new community to you and be a participant in a regenerative possibility for the future. So regenerative agriculture is definitely the path forward. Regenerative agriculture describes soil management as the primary purpose of the farmer, which is much different than being a farmer whose purpose is to kill whatever weed they can find that day and to beat back the fungus and to spray all the ants antimicrobials they can think of. And so in a very similar way, the doctor has found himself in the same situation as the farmer in that we outsourced our education to the chemical industry. And both the doctor and the farmer wake up trying to kill everything around them with more and more vicious chemicals. We need to shift that mentality. We need to shake off that education and step back into the possibility of being an advocate for life instead, instead of a practitioner of death and destruction. So the doctor and farmer have to make this ultimate umbilical cord cut from the chemical industry to step back into belief that nature knows how to do life better than any chemical company ever has. Nature knows how to do food systems, Nature knows how to do biologic recovery of toxins and all of this. So the path is forward. If we align with that nature and we, when we help the farmers become Managers of soil instead of producers of food, we will have an enormous downstream benefit to humanity, perhaps highest among those being our own survival and avoidance of the great extinction event here.

It's just such a great reminder. I was going to the farmer's market every week and then the pandemic happened and then you start to order your food online on the Amazon Whole Foods, which comes in so much plastic, so much waste, but it's almost like there's no way to get your greens without the plastic that it's wrapped in the box. So it's such a great reminder, especially to support these farmers. And what questions should we ask? Because I have heard that also at the farmer's market, not everything necessarily is even organic, let alone regenerative. So what are some questions that we should ask when shopping?

I think that one of the ones is just simple questions about soil management, which is do you use composting as a primary nutrient delivery for your soil systems? Do you use cover crops? Those are two positive questions. Rather than do you spray herbicides or do you use Roundup, which are common questions. And those are kind of accusatory questions in and of themselves. And I'd much rather be buying from a farmer that uses a little bit of glyphosate once a year to knock down a cover crop or weeds or whatever it is, but they're taking care of their soil, they are using compost cycles, they are using all of this other, other proactive cover crop diversification. A question could be, do you have animals on your farm? Have you reintegrated biologic systems of animal life and cycles of all of the bionutrient diversity that they're capable of bringing in. So cover crops, composting and animal management are three simple questions that'll get you close to a regenerative farmer. If all three is yes, yes and yes, you've probably got yourself a regen farmer there.

Amazing. And what is your take on hydroponics? Do you see this as a great solution in the future or it lacks that soil?

Yeah, I think the latter. I think that hydroponics is a great example of food on life support. It's the ICU version of food production. It does not equate to healthy food and it certainly does not look like natural systems. So we need to move back into soil systems as our primary generative environment. And the vast majority of out of season foods that are on the shelf right now, the berries, all of your tomatoes, things that you know are not growing locally because it's snowing in Your backyard. It's that out of season supply chain that's going to be most disconnected from its nature. And that might be a 9,000 mile supply chain from South America, or it might be a 500 mile supply chain from a hydroponic farm nearby. But, but either way, there's no way that food is connected to your nature, connected to your rhythms of seasonality within your microbiome. There's no way that that food is reflecting back at you a natural system that would support your body. In December of 2021. You know, it's like this. We have to start moving back towards seasonal and local eating to get our bodies nutrified with the very things that are capable of giving life in these seasons that we developed within for billions of years.

Absolutely. And such a huge tenant of Ayurveda that the foods that grow in this time period are going to give you the energy and the qualities that you need, such as root vegetables will give you that grounding during the fall time, which is at the vata time. Cold, dry, rough air. And I know for myself what really attributed to all of my hormonal issues was I was a raw vegan in Boston where there were not coconuts and mangoes and pineapples growing, but that's all I was eating. And it was that disconnected with where I was, which was a snowy environment. But me thinking, oh well, raw foods must be the best foods on earth for you, so I should just eat them. Because I saw a bunch of YouTube videos about it and must be the truth. So I think that that's so helpful. And I also see a movement of so many people moving to community to be able to grow their own food. So what do you see in the future? Do you see there to be maybe a split between these two different societies? One that's like, like blue pill, red pill, like what are you seeing?

I do see a split and it's pretty obvious. You know, I think, and I think we have a choice as to whether or not if we're going to choose to see a different future, see a future reintegrated with nature, we're going to have to choose how we spend our energy. And if we all become activists and go attack the other paradigm of the Gates foundation and everything else that you can think of that represents, represents the dark side to you, throwing your energy at that is probably not going to succeed at the end of the day. And so it's really going to be about how much community can we build around this alternative vision of a co creative beauty expressed by humanity as we come into alignment and coherence with our nature. And we can do that right now. We are working on that. Just by this single conversation, we are helping bring attention to the possibility of what a community could do to humanity together. And so I get, you know, deeply moved by each of these conversations in the sense that it gives me a direct experience of what it feels like to be a connected human. And right now, in this moment, as you listen to this podcast, you are a connected human listening to a long form, you know, dialogue between two other people that have a heart for you and for the planet and are expressing something beautiful within themselves. And so you are being witness to the very condition of being human by being part of this podcast. And so it's an exciting, simple way to become part of at a greater expression of humanity as we come into community around a like minded vision of where we could go. And as long as we continue to put our energy as a community into that future, the polarity of, you know, all of the destructive consumption behaviors that collectively we have created as consumers, we let go of all of that and we become, you know, the solution and we go into a flow state while the rest of that recalcitrant system clings harder and harder to the rocks, trying to avoid it coming apart at the seams. The empire of the United States is falling apart actively. We have a gross instability of the US dollar, Therefore we are doing things like creating narratives of pandemics and printing $4 trillion in 12 months because we have a failing economy, because we have a failing US Dollar, because we have a failing empire that was extractive and destructive. And we extracted all the energy out of the planet for the wealth of this one empire. And it was a completely insoluble algorithm at its very origin story. And so we have yet another collapsing empire, and it will collapse and there will be more empire building after it. Or there will also be the possibility of the first coherent, cooperative human international movement that captures natural law and understands the application of natural law and natural systems for our own ingenuity. And we could go beyond the fiat currencies that dominate the macroeconomics of, of central banks and all of the systems around us. And we could start to re envision value at a core level where value is aligned with life and the value of our monetary systems align with metrics of life. Those kinds of simple solutions, aligning value with life, allowing monetary systems to align themselves with metrics of life, those are simple things that we can do. We have the technology at our fingertips to do that. And if we choose to, we will create something much more powerful than fiat currencies and central banks and all the like. We will create a decentralized system of vitality within our macroeconomic and socio political structures that will allow for a different expression of our humanity.

So beautifully said and holding that vision with you, I think it's so impactful for all of us to focus on what it is that we do want to create rather than what is already being destroyed and continue to weave that higher vision because there is such power in all of us joining forces. And you know, in Vedic spirituality this is the time of Kali Yuga. It's the time, it's the energy of chaos and destruction. After that comes Satya Yuga, which is the era of truth. So you know, after also any war, we experience the renaissance that happens. So, so all of you guys listening right now, we are all part of the solution. And thank you so much Dr. Zach Bush for being here, for sharing your wisdom with us and for being so poetic in your delivery of such potent and deep knowledge. And I just want to really honor you for your courage as well, for speaking truth in a time that's not accepted. And where can listeners further connect with you and support and join the various initiatives that you have going on?

Yeah, the Journey of Intrinsic Health is available. It's an eight week program of walking into that I am state through understanding kind of the eight tenets of human biology and how we can create chaos within our bodies when we're not in alignment with our own natural law. So Journey of Intrinsic Health, you can find that its own URL or you can find it through ZachBushMD.com ZachBushMD.com is also my clearinghouse for a bunch of free education, including the Global Health Education Summit that we have about 14 events that we've done over the last year and a half that have given a deep dive on the science of the virome, science of the innate immune system, the science of death and dying and rebirth, the science of heart disease and how we have that backwards. So lots and lots of paradigm shifting information there on the global health education site within Zach Bush. And when you see that, I think it'll give you a sense of the scale of the community that's paying attention to this new possibility of vitality and life there. Our nonprofit work you can find at FarmersFootprint US, also at ProjectBiome AU for Australia. And so we've got lots of opportunities for you to engage with regenerative farmers around the World. Just in the last 12 months, we've produced over 105 mini documentaries of farmers that are doing the right thing of soil management around this country. So it's a very inspiring story that covers indigenous farmers from all walks of life that are among us here in the United States and practicing regenerative culture of agriculture that dates back thousands of years. And so we don't have to go figure this thing out. We need to remember what it looks like to grow real food. We need to remember that we come from an Earth that is is always in a state of abundance. And when we do that, we find a new hope for our future. So get your kids engaged. Farmers for Print has lots of opportunities for you to get engaged there. We have a Mighty Networks group there that meets every week and there's storytelling time, there's poetry, there's all kinds of beautiful sharing and creativity among the community of food system stakeholders there that are participating through Farmer's Footprint. So those are some of your avenues for the deep dive on soil biology and how it impacts human health. The website is intelligenceofnature.com There's a whole line of dietary supplements that are derived from ancient soil that reconnect human cells and their capacity for communication across systems therefore vitalizes incredible array of regenerative capacity within that human body. So if you're not aware of ION and the intelligence of nation and that website will get you there.

Well, thank you so much for all of these potent resources and we're so grateful for your wisdom.

Thank you so much for sharing.

Thank you for having me on. Thank you for having a dialogue.

I am glistening and glowing and radiating with love and even heightened appreciation for beauty. I have been walking the beauty path for about three years now. Having beauty be one of my core values and recreating beauty everywhere that I go every single day. I offer rose petals to the ocean and surround myself by beauty. But what a reminder. And I love what he said, that we think everything is love, but why aren't we seeing it? But if we see beauty in everything, the natural result of that will be love. So instead of trying to see, well, what is this breakup teaching me?

This doesn't feel like love to me.

How can I see beauty in this separation? How can I see beauty in this conflict? How can I see beauty even in what is happening in the collective? And when you can find that beauty, there really is such freedom and acceptance on the other side. Acceptance that we don't need to fight against everything, but rather if we see the beauty in it we know that even a heartbreak, even something that feels like the world is ending, also has a beauty to it. It also is a renewal. And then we have this appreciation for it and we realize we're not the victims of our surroundings, but we're really the creatrixes of them. So I absolutely love this conversation. If it shifted something in you, you.

Had an aha moment.

You had a takeaway. Please share it on your Instagram story. The world deeply needs to hear more doctors who are in their hearts, more conversations like this that elevate our perspective of health and the mind body connection. Because this transition that we're moving to right now is the invitation for us to finally come back into peace and harmony with our bodies. So this conversation may be that we reminder that someone needs so share it on your Instagram story. Tag me I am Sahara Rose and Zach Bush, MD, and I'm so excited to see your takeaways. So I hope you loved this conversation and I would love for you to leave a review. So please share a review with me if you're listening to this on itunes and take a screenshot of that review so I can send you a free gift as my thank you.

You can email that for free gift.

Over to Sahara@iamsaharose.com Take a screenshot of your review and I will send you a free gift of my unreleased book Eat Right for your Mind Body Type, which is a deep Ayurveda book all about eating right for your dosha. So again, take a screenshot of your review and send it over to SaharaMSAharabros.com and I will send you over my free ebook. I hope you love this conversation. Share it with people that you think it may resonate with and I'll see you in the next one.

Namaste.

Ram.