459: What You're Missing About Manifestation - What It's Actually All About with with Cassandra Bodzak

Namaste, it's Sahara Rose. And welcome back to the Highest Self Podcast, a place where I discuss what makes you your soul's highest evolvement. If it's your first time listening, welcome. This podcast is all about taking spirituality and making it modern, grounded, real, relatable, fun. Because life is too short to take it super seriously. If you're here all the time, you are going to adore this episode, because the guest that I have on today's podcast is actually my number one most downloaded ever Highest Self podcast guest. So this guest is Cassandra Bodzak, and if you heard her on episode 389, how to manifest anything that is in alignment. You know a bit about her story and the fact that we're actually best friends, and we've been friends for six years now, and we have many different types of conversations around just the online space and manifestation and spirituality and business and how these things have really become interconnected and in some beautiful ways and also in some more shadowy aspects. And in this conversation, we talk about what people are often missing in the manifestation space, the manifestation hashtag. If you look it up online, you're gonna see luxury cars and handbags and Bora Bora vacations and private jets. And is that actually what manifestation is about? And we really each just share from our own experience, like, what does manifestation really mean to us? And what. What does spirituality really mean to us? And are we using spiritual terms like manifestation to actually just continue materialism? And it's just taken on a new jargon, but it's the exact same thing. And at the same time, wanting to have nice things is not a bad thing. Wanting to have luxuries and treat yourself well and having a life of ease. So we really talk about that balance. You know, it's not about selling all your belongings and becoming a monk or a nun. And it's also not about just using spirituality to get things and finding our own middle ground.

So this is a really rich and.

Dynamic conversation and one that I feel needs to be had more in the spirituality and manifestation space. Because we just see things online and we don't get to dissect and talk about them. And that's really what we do in today's conversation. So, without further ado, let's welcome Cassandra to the Highest Self podcast.

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So good to be here.

The first question I'd love to ask you again is, what makes you your highest self?

What makes you my highest self is tapping into the truth of my being. And the way I do that is through my meditation practice. So connecting to that divine inside of me is what helps me be my highest self in my life.

It's so amazing. Like, so sometimes we just have a moment that we remember and it brings us back to our greater understanding, our highest selves, which is really what this podcast is about. And we've been going through our own experience in the past. I mean we're always talking about this, but I'll just share being very vulnerable here on the podcast. But, well, Cassandra here, one of my best friends, is the number one most downloaded episode on the podcast, which is amazing and we love her here. So in the five years like number one most download. So I'm like, oh man, Cassandra, your episode did so well. Well like we got to do another manifestation one. So I was like, how to manifest your partner and your home. Like those are the two Things that people really want. Right. And we do have amazing stories on that, and we have manifested that. And it is important to have an aligned partner, and it is important to have an aligned home, and it is important to make money, and it is important to all of the things. But that's not what spirituality or manifestation is really about. That, like, right before recording this, I kind of had a come to Jesus moment. And you're like, yes. Of like, no. This is what also people get lost in, in the manifestation space that it's just turned into a spiritual jargon that we use on materialism and consumerism and getting more. And I feel like we're losing sight of what spirituality is really all about. So I wanted to talk with you about this on the podcast because we do manifest and we do the rituals, and I believe that manifestation truly works when it's of service to the greater whole.

Absolutely. And it's even beyond that. It's also, like, it's about connecting back to our truest self. It's about connecting to our highest self. And it's funny because, you know, when you brought this up, I was like, oh, I love talking about this. This has been a big portion of some of the podcasts I did around the book. And the reason I even wrote my book, Manifesting Through Meditation was, in a way, a comment on how this kind of manifestation has kind of gotten diluted. I feel like in pop culture, we'll call it. Right. Social media world, is because it's gotten so far away from its spiritual origins and gotten into this, like, energy of like, oh, more money, more clients, more bigger homes last year trips, more Chanel bags, more whatever, right? It's gotten into this, you know, thing, but. But actually, like, how it began is that the. We incarnated here, right? To remember the truth of who we are and to help as many other people through that remembrance in ourselves, we open up other people to the remembrance in themselves. Right? Because when someone's connected to the truth of who they are, we. It's almost like we recognize each other again for, like, the. The. The essence of our being and the ess. Our being is a divine creator, right? We are whatever you call your higher power. We all are pieces, right? Like, if the higher power is the sun, we're all rays, right? And so we're all connected. And the essence of that higher power, source, God, whatever you want to name you want to give it is divine creator energy. And so we are. So we're like little babies to, like, sparkly objects. When we hear the word man, manifestation. Because there is that part of our soul that's like, oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, my gosh, I am a creator. I can, you know, turn my thoughts into things. I can, you know, shift my reality and my perception. We have these tools, and I think part of why we incarnate is to remember who we are while being in physical form. And so there's something about manifestation that's actually completely central to the spiritual awakening journey. But it starts. And that was kind of like the craziest thing is, like, the craziest thing about me writing this, the book Manifesting Through Meditation. And I think part of the reason why the podcast that we did together, where we go through all the different four steps, blew up so much is because the first step is the one that's the most important, and it's the one that no one does. And the first step is plugging into your divine source, right? It's connecting to your true self, Connecting to your highest self, as you would call it, right? It's like there's a bunch of different languages we can use for the same experience, but it's plugging into the truth of your being at the core of it. And from that space, then we are divine creators. It's our natural energy. And so I think manifesting in and of itself in its purest form is actually incredibly spiritual. Where it gets kind of out of the loop is when we are focusing kind of too much, I think, on the material aspects of what's going on and forgetting that manifesting. The core of manifesting, right, is to raise your vibration, raise your frequency, get into that state, right? Because your highest frequency, your highest vibration is remembering that you are creation energy, that you are source, that you are divine, right? And so when we get into that, then all of a sudden, like, stuff happens in our life for sure. But what's even better than whatever the quote unquote stuff happening in our life is is that for anyone that's ever had that experience, it's like nirvana, right? When you plug into that, you're so happy you don't need anything. When I am like, you know, and listen, like, both of us, like, we do our practices, we do our rituals, we do all the stuff. We're still humans. And so I don't walk around like Jesus or whatever all the time, or I'm still a human, but prioritizing that feeling, the more I prioritize that feeling, the more I'm plugged into that feeling. I find that the more I'm plugged into the truth of who I am. The more aware I am of being a divine creator, the more aware I am about literally, like, you know, it's kind of. It's become cliche now, but we were talking about this, like, kind of being the light, right? Like, we're all the light, or we're all. You know, we're all shining, right? Is the less that you actually even care so much about these external things, and the more that kind of flows effortlessly.

100%. I think that's totally it. We see the shiny objects, and we're like, wait, if I can manifest my dream house, if I can manifest six figures, if I can manifest this, then that means I can create my own reality. And it's almost like the things that we're reaching for are the things that the media show us as examples of success and happiness. So we realize that we are divine creatrixes of our own reality. But then the thing that we reach for is, like, below the first branch, you know, it's like. We think it's like, oh, so if I can create my own reality, I'll have a Chanel bag. And it's like, no, that's not. Those powers for, like, those are also made by child slaves in China on it. Like, there is nothing actually inherently valuable about these things but our media. So it's almost like we take. We have these, like, openings of spiritual understanding, which is a progression. I'm so glad that manifestation and crystals are in the forefront, but then we don't go all the way of, like, oh, what is the reality that I actually want to create beyond the Chanel bag, beyond the private jet trips to the Maldives, beyond these. And then I think we are in such a social media world that then when we see someone having these things, we think, well, that must be the pinnacle of manifestation, you know, that must be the pinnacle of success. Therefore, my version of it should look like that. I mean, maybe instead of a Chanel bag, for you it looks like a Rolex watch, or for you, it looks like something else. But it's like, it's still a material possession that is only valuable because of the marketing that has been done around it that isn't actually changing. It's just your perception of the story you've created around yourself by having these things. So it's like, so let's go beyond that into what is inherently valuable, what is inherently abundant. To me, it's like, let's, like, make a planet that everyone has access to food. Like, that is. That is truly abundance. Let's live a world that you know. And I think people don't talk about this in the online but in the coaching space. We talk about this behind closed doors all the time. But it's like a lot of the people that you see that are talking about having this and that, they're not truly living in alignment with their dharma. They're not truly sharing their sole purpose. They're just sharing those things because they also think that's what other people want. So it's this like self fulfilling prophecy of everyone is just kind of like faking it till they make it, making it, being truly experiencing joy. And none of them are. So then it's a six figure month, a seven figure month, an eight figure, a nine figure. And then it's just like, who's making more? Let me copy what they're doing because they must have had it all figured out. But that person is even looking at their own life feeling like, am I actually known for my thoughts or am I just known for the money that I make? And is that really what people want to emulate?

And when it becomes actually is, it's, it's filling what I would call it filling a God sized hole, right? It's like you're filling a God sized hole with money. You're filling a God sized hole with things you're feeling. You know, some women do it with having different lovers, right? There's like you do it with food, you could do it with anything, right? And it's like, I got to get the new car, I got to get, get the next bag, I got to get the private jet. And it's like they'll always be another thing because you're not actually filling the hole, right? And the problem with that is that the more you get, the more you'll want. Because the more you'll realize the more you get, you get that next car, it doesn't fill the hole. You need a fancier car. That's still not going to fill the hole. Because the hole never had anything to do with the car or the Chanel bag or the house or whatever. It had to do with your relationship with God, your relationship with Source, your relationship with your highest self. You're the divine inside of and your soul. And so we feel depleted because we're not doing the thing in alignment. We're not following what our soul is called here to do. Express how it's field called to do. And so then we try to fill it with these other things that we think are shiny fun objects. And I would venture to say that, like, all those things can be neutral, right? Like, let's say all those, like, material objects are neutral and you can either. And it's from that space of neutrality that you can intermingle with them, right? So for instance, if you feel like having the car, the Chanel bag, or the six figure month, or whatever makes you more worthy, right? Then there is like the hint that you're filling a hole, right? That will never be filled by a material possession. Because your worthiness can only be found in your connection to the divine and your connection to your highest self, your source, right? In your, that spiritual life. And so but if you have that connection to your spiritual life, if you feel full up, then you don't need any of that, right? And so that almost becomes like sprinkles on a cake, right? It becomes this, like, fun thing. There's not an attachment to it. There's like, oh, that's a pretty pink dress. I'm going to wear the pretty pink dress because it makes. Because I'm feeling, you know, bright and I want that pretty pink dress. It's not, I'm not feeling bright. So I'm going to put the pretty pink dress on and hope the dress is going to make me feel bright, right? I'm already feeling that way. And so therefore what happens in there, there's a level of discernment that happens, right? Because then you realize, okay, well, all these people I'm seeing on social media, I don't know why Chanel just came up today, but sorry, you know, I.

Have nothing specifically, I have nothing against.

Chanel, but then start realizing, like, actually, like, there's a bunch of different designer bags if you want a nice bag, right? And maybe like, there, there are some designers, like, not even like, let's say Chloe, right? Chloe is another designer. You don't see that as much on Instagram, let's say, right? But then when you're in that place of being fold up and then you go, you want to buy a purse, right? Because you're a woman and we sometimes we want to carry a purse, right? Then you can just look at it from that place of being like, okay, what purse is pretty that I resonate with that I want to carry my things, my wallet or whatever, right? And it's a different relationship because you're not buying that purse to say something about yourself. You're not like, oh, I need that Chanel purse so that everyone knows I'm abundant, right? And so I feel abundant, right? Because that Chanel burst is not going to do that. If you don't feel abundant, you'll just feel not abundant with the Chanel burst. And then you can go and buy whatever pink, purple, blue, whatever bag you want. That is just fun. And you're like, whatever about, right? Because you know that that bag has nothing to do with you, right? And that you're worthy if you had 70 bags or you're worthy if you had no bags. I think one of the things that I have found that has kind of simultaneously happened as I've done more of the spiritual inner work. Like I'm someone that likes. I like nice things, right? I like quality things. I like well made things. I have a certain aesthetic, right? Like beige, neutral things, gold, right? But, but what happens is you one, you need less, right? And when you do, when you are getting things, it is from that place of like, I'm getting this because it's really beautiful, right? It's really beautiful. Or if it's like clothing, like this turtleneck I'm wearing, it's really soft, right? And you're getting it from this completely different space. It's not to define some level of worth, right? And so I think what's happening is that we've confused this material life examples, right, for actually genuine fulfillment and happiness. And it doesn't mean that you don't get to have, like we talked about, you get to have the house, you get to have the partner, you get to have whatever car, clothes, whatever the thing it is, trips, right? But when it comes from that place, I actually feel like going back to the we incarnate here to remember that we're divine creators, to remember that we actually are powerful creators. We're not victims, right? And we have that ability to, to manifest things and call things into reality. And it's kind of like this, this remembrance of the truth of who we are, right? While we're here. And we can create impact with it. And then what happens is part of our, I believe part of our soul's journey is that we get to play with things in the physical, right? We get to crave different experiences, like I think both of our souls to different places. But our souls have had like very strong like travel cravings, right? And like, I think that's part of our. Was part of our soul's journey, right? We came here and my soul wanted to experience like traveling to these different parts of France or whatnot, right? Going on these different pilgrimages and stuff, right? And then that can be like from like a really genuine soul desired place, right? And not from this place of, like, I would still do all the things that I do if no one ever saw it on Instagram. And I think that's another thing to ask yourself is like, the things that you're manifesting, the things that you desire, if no one would ever know that you had it, if you just got the satisfaction of whatever that experience was, would that be enough?

You know, it's so funny because I was watching this TikTok today saying that festivals have become a staging of having fun of. People go to the festival, they're not actually having fun. They go even to the party and the events, and they're going there to create content. Oh, my God, how sad is that? That even, like travel and the things that, you know, I've seen these famous travel bloggers and they're like, fighting, but then they get the perfect picture. So you think they're having the most romantic time in this hot air balloon in Morocco, but they actually had, like, the worst trip ever. So we have created this social media culture that we're living for content rather than living for ourselves. So we think that, that me having XYZ Bag or XYZ Mastermind or XYZ Fill in the blank, whatever it looks like for you will look good on social media. And that will make essentially people then pay money to me. And it's like this cycle that we're in until we awaken out of. And yes, just like you said, you can have all the things. But truthfully, I think what we desire is the freedom. The freedom to be ourselves, the freedom to be able to travel and experience a new culture and eat the delicious crepes in France or foods around the world. And to me, that's what true abundance is about. For me to have the choice to do I actually want to be working this job or not? Do I actually want to be in the situation if my bag is heavy, is it going to make or break me if I pay the extra bag fee? Little moments like this, or when abundance start to show up of, oh, wow, I can take a taxi rather than taking the public bus. I can stay in the nice hotel rather than staying in the cheap one with no ac. And that's why I understand and even I was there of, like, if I can just have abundance, and I think abundance, we're afraid of using the word money. If I can just have enough money, then I will then have those things. But then where we get lost is, well, then there's the next level and the next level and the next level. And it's never ending. And then I see so many people even entering into the coaching world of like, I just want to replace my corporate job income and be able to help people. And then once they do that, well, I just need to reach my six figure year now. I need to reach my six figure month now. I need to reach this, now I need to reach that. And it's like we live in a capitalistic society that there's always going to be more to grow. And they've designed it that way, that as soon as you're rich enough to afford the Rolex, there's Audemars pj and there's another brand. Another brand. And you'll just never end until you awaken out of it. And I can understand someone listening to be like, well, easy for you guys to say. Like, you guys already have careers and I don't have that. So I need to just be focused on making the money. But the thing is, it's like if you don't awaken out of that trap, in the creation of it, you will create a cage for yourself that you'll never be able to leave. And no amount of money will be enough to buy you that key to get you back the freedom that you even created this all for.

Yeah, absolutely. And I do think it's interesting, the money thing is an interesting situation. And I have a somewhat controversial belief around this because I do believe that sometimes while we're on our spiritual journey, while we're figuring things out, while we're figuring out what that is, that thing that we want to share with the world, and I do think, and I think we both share this in the way that you can create an impact, you could be a light in the world with that not necessarily being your profession, Right. And while it's like amazing when they can overlap and they do overlap, I think sometimes having something that's able to take care of your basic needs, right? If we think about Maslow's hierarchy. Hierarchy or needs, right? Like you need to be able to take care of, like, your basic needs. You need to be able to, like, pay for your rent, pay for food, whatnot, right? And if that's not taken care of, then it's hard to ascend the pyramid, right? And to get into that spiritual enlightenment and to get into that space where you're plugging in, right? Because you get into this, it's almost like there's so much momentum towards scarcity in that, Right? So I do think sometimes for your manifesting and for your spiritual path, One of the self loving acts you can do for yourself is just have some way of paying the bills, right? Just get even if it's like a basic thing, doesn't have to be fancy, doesn't have to be, you know, bells and whistles, sparkly. And you don't need to confuse it for your higher career. You don't need to confuse it. The way I often tell people to think about it is think about that as a vc, like an investment in your future career, right? So that you can get to that place where you're like plugging in and you can do this when you're, you can do this when you're broke too. You can do this from that place of having no money. But it can be harder if you have some of those basic needs that are not being met, right? So if we can kind of take care of those basic needs and it gives you a little bit of that, it gives you that leg up, right? To be able to then plug in and to then start creatively thinking where can I serve? Where can I give, right? And have that originate from that place. Because I think what we're seeing more and more of is, is instead of I call them like, well actually I don't call them. Steven Pressfield has this great book, he has two great books, War of Art and Turning Pro, and both of them about following your soul's journey. And he calls them shadow careers. And so like the shadow career is like the career of someone, let's say someone wants to leave their nine to five, become a coach and they desperately want to coach people on how to be more conscious parents, right? But they don't see, they don't know how to make money coaching people and being conscious parents. So they coach people on how to manage their finances. And so they've kind of like created this career that's just like it's in the right direction but not quite the thing because they went for the low hanging fruit because they wanted to just do the thing that would make money, right? And so I think in that moment we can purify things by having what I call the VC fund going that creates that baseline so that you can have the space to really go for, you know, let's say that conscious parenting coaching role, right? And you have that space to figure it out and do it really in alignment and really authentically and not immediately pivot towards something that's just going to make you money totally.

And we need that variety. Like that is why Source designed us to have unique gifts each and Every one of us in our fullest expression is naturally a solution for a world's problem. So that person who recognized within themselves, I would love to be a conscious parenting coach. Like, yes, that is your code. That is what you're here to share. You are here to be that lighthouse. But then, yeah, maybe at the beginning, someone may have said, oh, I have to pay to get coached on how to be a parent. Like, no way, I'm not doing that. And maybe 20 other people said similar things. If I don't have the money or that would be good to know, but I'm not going to pay for that. So now you've created a story that no one is going to pay for a conscious parent coach, but people will pay on how to manage their finances or how to make six figures online or whatever the thing is. And then you convince yourself, well, I guess that's what I'm going to do, because that's what people are going to pay money for. And I don't want to go back to where I was. And while that makes sense, and maybe it is a moment in time that you do do that until you can get yourself off of your own feet. But don't lose sight of your purpose. This. Don't lose sight of what you actually, I see all of these people, they have these beautiful awakening moments of like, I'm here to be the solution of the world's problem in this unique texture and way and essence and flavor. And then when they try it and there's some resistance, they're like, oh, so I guess I'm going to just become a business coach. Not that there's anything wrong with being a business coach, but do you genuinely want to be that business coach, or are you just doing it because you believe that's what people will pay for?

Because at the end of the day, at the end of day, all of it, what is all of this for? Is because we want to feel happy, we want to feel fulfilled, we want to feel lit up. And when do we feel those things? We feel those things when we're on mission. We feel all those things when we're aligned. We feel those things when we're plugged in and connected. And so anything that we do is an offshoot of that. Right? And so there's no I tell this even. I'm teaching an entrepreneurship class at UConn right now, and I was giving the kids a talk because they were starting to feel like, oh, was it bad if I end up accepting a job opportunity or something because I'm such a die hard entrepreneur. And I was like, it's only, first of all, it's like nothing's bad, right? But it's about that conversation with yourself. Because for me, I know that wouldn't be in alignment. But if you get an awesome opportunity at a really cool company that really lights you up and you're really stoked about like the people you're going to work with and the projects you're going to work on, then maybe that's the next aligned step for you. Great, right? But if you're like, if you're choosing it from that place of fear, right, if you're like, oh, this is just, it's just more steady, it's just more, right? Then what happens is it's like anything, right? Why do we just going back to that whole thing, right? We have to start from that place of wholeness. We have to start from that place of power that we already have everything. So we need nothing, right? And from that space it's like if we're going to make a decision from a place of lack, a place of fear, fear of like, oh, I need to do this to make money, right? You're only cheating yourself, right? Because everybody else can think, I mean, people could think you have the coolest job, people could think you're slaying it as a whatever, six figure business culture, whatever it is you're doing, but you have to be with you every day. You are living inside of that. And what happens is if you are not in alignment, then that hole gets bigger. That like God size hole, that divine size hole gets bigger. And that's what ends up happening, is that you're like, oh, reaching here for the private jet to fill it, reaching here for the new bag to fill it, reaching here for the like fake Instagram friends to fill it, right? And you're like pulling all these things to try to fill this hole just because you're doing something that's not in alignment with what your soul came here to do. And so the reason you're feeling funky is because your natural intuitive guidance is trying to say, hey buddy, wrong way. Like, okay, we tried this path, not the right path, right? Let's make a change. And for whatever reason, like we do, right, we ignore it because we're scared. We ignore it because of money. We ignore it because what will society think, right? What will society think if I give up my high paying gig and then decide to be a gardener in Costa Rica? It's like, okay, well, society lifts up the Elon Musk's of the world, the Jeff Bezos of the world or whatever, and these people that are making all this money. And here's the thing, it's like there's nothing inherently bad or good in the sense of, like you were saying, each person has their own individual piece to play their own individual part, and they all serve. But where things get messed up is when we're not playing our piece, right? And that's how we can do it. And that's how we can do it through manifesting, right? Is getting back to that, you know, like we talked about in the other podcast. The first step is plugging in so you making decisions from a place of wholeness and abundance and the truth of who you are. And then the second step is connecting to your soul's authentic desires and not what society is telling you and not what Instagram is telling you and not what's cool right now. And I think that's a really good kind of test for yourself sometimes. It's like, you know, social media is one of those things where you can use it as a barometer for where you're at with that, right? Can you look at things on social media and say, wow, that's like, really, like, good for that person, you know, and also, like, totally not for me, right? Like, I see. I remember when the pandemic started and I saw some people, like, moving to Costa Rica, like, you know, buying this land, starting their own, like, eco farms or whatever. And, you know, and I can look at that and be like, wow, that is so cool. And not me, right? And, like, so much respect for them and, like, that's their journey and their path and that looks badass. And also, like, not, right? Like, I can look at someone driving, you know, someone I follow just bought like, a red Porsche or something like that, and I was like, cool, whatever. I have no desire to get right. And it's like in those moments, being able to say, okay, well, I can see all these things going on and I can connect back with my soul and my truth and saying, what is. What's my next step, right? What's the thing that I feel connected to that's part of my soul's journey, right? Honestly, want to go, like, we can think about, like, like babies in marriage, right? It's like, you know, every, you know, everyone, we have this societal thing that, like, that's like, like, clap, clap, clap. And, you know, not that those, those aren't beautiful things. Like, they're beautiful things. And also there are things that are not going to be for everyone. And so I think it's when we get to that place of being able to celebrate everyone for whatever they're doing and hopes and prayers that they're living their authentic truth. But then come back to our authentic truth and ask ourselves, well, what are we really manifesting? Because it's part of our soul's expression and our soul's path in this lifetime, and what are we manifesting because of how it's gonna look to other people?

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Absolutely. And I think that that's a really good point. Like, it's true. It's like, we celebrate certain types of impact in this world. And, you know, one of the things that me and my dad had to talk about this. And so my dad was, like, brought up very Catholic, right? He was like a very, like, good, good Catholic boy. And we were talking about that when I. When I started my business and I was doing all this stuff, and I was like, I'm changing the world, dad. And, like, like, you know, I'm making an impact and I'm helping people and all this stuff. And I was like, dad, like, you know, my dad works, like a job his whole life, supported our family. You know, he was like, literally, rock star dad, great dad. But I never really felt like he had, like, a mission, right? Like, I never felt like he was, like, purpose driven. And I always thought it was so interesting because he's spiritual, right? And so I was asking him about it, and I was like, what do you feel like your purpose or like your mission was or whatnot in this life? And it always tells me two things. He said, one, I knew that, like, my person, one of my purpose was to be a father for you and your brother. Like, I was very clear that that was, like, a big part. Like, even before I had. Before I had kids, before I met your mom, I knew that that was a part of my journey. And then I felt so much fulfillment. I remember my dad told me on his, like, 55th birthday, I got him concert tickets. I sent him, my brother to, like, this, like, rock concert they wanted to go to in the city. And. And he called me up afterwards, and he was like. He was, like, crying. So sweet. He was like, if anything happens to me, I just want you to know that I fulfilled what I needed to do. You and your brother are great, and I'm good. Like, I'm good. I completed the mission. And the other thing he said to me is that he's like, I also feel like my purpose wasn't just one thing. It was like, a bunch of little things. He was like, I like to think that there my dad is the kind of person that will literally see someone struggling with, like, a bag and, like, run and go pick it up. He'll, like, you know, if he sees someone, like, he'll walk you up your. You know, like, he just is, like a helper, right? He's like that person and he's like that to so many people in his life and to strangers. And he always just feels like he's like, I just hope that maybe one of those, like little things I did turned around someone's day, right? And I remember the first time he told me that, it was like my whole like, brain exploded because I'm so not like that on so many levels, right? I'm so big picture. I'm so like, you know, I need to like create this whole ripple effect and this whole thing. And I couldn't fathom feeling like it's just different, right?

But what it opened me up to.

And I think what you're getting at, which is so important is that we all have that different things and not everyone. And I love that, like, I love that about my dad. That like, he is clear that that was part of his journey and he has no heirs or desires to do any of the stuff I do or ever did, right? And I think the more we can ask ourselves that question, like you said of what is success to me, what is one of the questions I ask people instead of how much money they want to make, I ask them what kind of life they want to live. Tell me what your life looks like. Tell me what your day to day looks like. Tell me, do you go on trips with your family? Do you have a yard where your kids can play, right? Do you live walking distance to a park, whatever it is, right? Like, tell me about your life. What does your life look like? Because oftentimes people attach themselves to this idea that they need some sort of money or they need some sort of title or whatever it is. But our life is how we spend our days, right? At the end of our life, it's how we spend our days. It's not what we got in our bank account. And so if what we got in our bank, if what we have in our bank account can serve our days, great, right? If that can help buy organic food for you to put on the table, fantastic, right? If that can help provide a tutor for your kid to help them with math, amazing, right? If that can help provide you some an assistance so you can spend more time painting or whatnot, great, right? But like, what is the life that you want to manifest? What is the day that you want to manifest? You know that like to me, that's, that's the clincher and that's what we want. And that's often the craziest thing is when we get clear on that, that's when I Have this meditation. I'll give you the link to it. I think it's divine. It's a divinely designed, your life. It's a free meditation, right. And it just walks you through your dream day. Like, what is your dream day? Because oftentimes you can have at least 90% of that dream day to day. It's like, if you want to be out in nature more. Yeah. So maybe right now you don't live in the middle of the Amazon jungle or whatever, but if part of that craving is being able to, like, be with trees every day, then, like, go find a park or a tree in your neighborhood that you can, like, visit every day and, like, tune into and say hi or whatever you want to do. You want to lay on the grass, you want to be by a body of water, right. Find a river or a lake or the ocean, depending on where you are, and make a weekly trip there. There's so much, actually, that we can call in, right. And then that bigger manifestation will happen, will unfold organically. If you're. If you make that a priority and that's just a part of your life, then what happens is often it just unfolds. Right. And I think that's another thing I wanted to just hit on that you talked about that I thought was really important when you talk about these, you know, different levels of stewardship. Well, I also think even as you're looking to ascend levels of stewardship, it starts with the first level of stewardship. Right? Like, I know both of us have talked about this. Like, we were life coaches, everyone in our life before life coaches, professionally, right? We were the person, you know, started off. We were the person that people come to for healthy advice. Right. And then it came more spirituality, and. And then it grows and it grows and it grows. And it. It also starts from, I think, you know, sometimes right now, people try to start at the top. Right, Right. They want to jump straight to that. Like, I have this massive stewardship. I just want the massive stewardship. But the question is, are you being a good steward of where you're at right now? You know, are you being a good steward of the money you have right now? Are you being a good steward of the impact you have right now? Because you have impact. You have impact right now. You have impact in your community, you have impact in your family, you have impact with your friend group. You have impact if there's 50 people that follow you on Instagram, right. You have impact. And so are you being a good steward of that or right and if you're being a good steward of that, then more will come, if that's part of the path, right? And then you be a good steward of that next level. And then more will come if that's part of the path. And that's how things also naturally manifest. Because what's happening again, you know, for those of you that listen to our first episode, that last, the fourth step is quantum embodiment. And what quantum embodiment essentially is, is like, are you being as good of a steward of your 50 people as you would be a 50,000? Right? Because if you're showing up to say, I want to be a leader, I want to be a light, I want to be, you know, I want to be making an impact in whatever lane you want to make an impact on. You want to revolutionize the world by going eco friendly. Start with your home. Start with talking to your family members about getting them to be more eco friendly in different ways. Start with talking to your local coffee shop about getting them to get rid of plastic or whatever, right? And when we start on that level, but instead you're like, I just want a million people to follow me on my ego friendly blog.

Which is just the ego wanting that.

Which is just the ego wanting that. And so it's not rewarded, right? And so it's like, but if you start making that impact on your community, little by little by little by little by little, it happens, it grows and it blossoms because you are being a good steward at every level.

Mm, totally. How can you have a million followers if you're not even being present to the 150 followers that you have now? If you're resentful of like, oh, why are these people DMing me and annoying me all the time? It's like, okay, Universe is like, obviously she can't handle 150 followers, so let's not give her more because that's going to be too overwhelming or because we can manifest anything. But there's the blocks in the way. So I know, especially when it comes to social media growth, and one I had to overcome for myself was, on one hand I said I want to reach more people, but the other hand, I was so afraid of haters and people not liking me. So if I had this block of I cannot stand, it will break me apart if people don't like me and write mean comments to me or write even stories about me. I can't handle that. So Universe is like, okay, let's stop the growth right here. So every time I notice, like, energetically when I overcome, whether it's fear of haters, fear of being seen, fear of saying the wrong thing, when I'm able to let go of those fears actually allows me to then be a steward of greater amounts of people. And the same thing with money, if we're afraid of, oh my God, like, I can't handle myself with money, I max out all my credit cards already. Like, so universe is like, you can't handle more? Or I make the worst business decisions. Universe is like, okay, let's make sure not to grow your business because you're having a tough time where you are. So it's, how are you right now with what is available for you? Which, by the way, is more than it ever has been before. You already have been letting go of these different beliefs, and here's where you are right now. So are you willing or even desiring maybe your genuine desire is to be the most present person for these 150 people. And you're sure that you probably don't want more because you don't want to deal with potential haters. And that's also fair and you can choose that. But wherever you are, be there, don't quiver. Don't want one thing, but actually be afraid of what. Because everything has a package, you know, greater. Like I think it was Yoda or someone said, like, with greater responsibility, you know, comes a greater impact or something like that. And it's true. It's like, okay, if you want to have $10 million a year, that comes with a lot more responsibility. Do you know about financial planning? Do you know about tax? Do you know how to, you know, xyz that comes with that. And not to scare people, but it's just more people following you. Okay, do you want to be that person? Every time there's a global event, people are going to be coming to you. Like, what's your opinion on this? Why didn't you post about that? Why aren't you talking about this issue? That's that just comes in the box and no box is perfect. So which box are you going to choose?

Absolutely. I love that. And I think that's so true. And it is, it is about being one, just honoring that. Like success is at the end of the day, you feeling happy and fulfilled with your day in your life. That's all it is. It's not a number. It's not a number of followers, not money in the bank. It's not items that you own. It's are you happy and fulfilled at the end of the day? Right. And it's so. So much of that is. It's you being a good steward of what you have today, you honoring what you have today, you being in that. In that space. And again, I think that really does. It comes from the discernment of you being in alignment. Because here's the thing. When you're in alignment, you do the thing because you feel called to do it, right? You do the thing because you feel called to do it. When I started my blog back in the day, the food blog, right, I literally just did it because it made me happy to record these awful YouTube videos of me making cupcakes. It made me happy. And I was going through a really hard time with my brother, and I was genuinely sad about what's going on with his health. And that was something that I literally did just entertain myself, right? Like a kid would play with a doll. That's what I did. And I also did it because I knew how much pain I had been in trying to find food I could eat, eat. And so I was like, hey, if, like, one other girl is out there looking at this video and figures out how to make healthy vegan brownies that she can actually eat, and she has had brownies in, like, three years because of her food allergies, like, when, right? And she's not going to care that I did all in one take or that I'm not that great, you know, the camera angles. She's just going to be happy that I showed her how to get this recipe done right? And it was through doing that that, like, literally, my Instagram started growing, my blog started growing. People started reaching out to me. The producers at ABC found me. It was. I didn't have any, like, grand ambitions of taking over vegan cooking or I had no grand ambitions of even at that point doing, like, the book or the TV show or anything, honestly. I was like, this is something I love. And I didn't even see it as a possibility to make money on it, honestly, Right? But I was like, this is what I want to do. This is what I want to contribute. And at the end of the day, I felt more fulfilled having recorded and posted that, like, janky YouTube video, right? Made me feel a little bit happier. Like I had done something that day, you know, that was like giving something to the world. And so I think when we get back to that feeling and kind of circling all the way back to how we started this conversation and the intersection of the spirituality and the manifesting conversation is that core to, I think, our spiritual path is realizing that there is, there is a higher plan that we don't always know. We are not all knowing in and of our human selves, right? That we are connected to a divine that, that has a higher intelligence. And so realizing that if we stay on alignment, if we stay on our path on a day to day basis, if we plug in on a day to day basis and we follow those intuitive nudges and we listen to what lights us up and we do our best to navigate, align, that it's not our plan to micromanage the larger picture and that sometimes it can be even better than we ever imagined it can turn out to be because we just take those micro aligned actions and we are, we're manifesting, we are, right? We're manifesting, but we're manifesting in alignment with, with the divine, right? So we're doing our little part. We're following our intuitive action. We're saying, oh, that's in alignment, that's not in alignment. And we're navigating ourselves as we move through things, but realizing there's also this, there is a divine intelligence around us that has a plan even bigger than us, right? That's giving us divine inspiration, it's giving us guidance. And so you may think that, oh, the way I get to share this with the world is a book. And Divine's like, no, I got way better things for her, right? She's actually going to do a speaking tour because that's what her gift is. She has a great throat chakra and she's going to really be able to transform people by speaking in a way that wouldn't really even do the same in a book or, you know, no, that person's really great working one on one. She's going to create massive impact working one on one with all those people, right? And it's like trusting that we'll get our divine assignment. We will be place and it will feel good and it will be in alignment and it will be even better than what are kind of smaller human influenced brain by everything else. Feels like it has to be.

Yes, and discover your dharma. I write about how when you're living in alignment with your dharma, you experience Korea, which is that feeling of divine flow where you are almost taking a back seat and the universe has the driving wheel and you are just trusting that it will take you places that you can't even imagine with your human mind. Because like, who am I to think that I know better for me than the universe? Like the thing that created me, like it is an intelligence beyond me that not even the top scientists will ever understand. Why are we here? How do we have consciousness? What is consciousness? These are questions far beyond the human understanding. So who am I to think, oh, I should live here and have that boyfriend and that job and that. This. It's like I have no idea, truthfully, what is in my highest good. And I believe true manifestation comes. Comes when you are being of service to the highest good. And even those things that you want, how can you relate them to the highest good? Because the universe wants what's best for the expansion of the universe. And it is inherently neutral. It wants to grow. The universe is always growing. If you look at quantum physics, we're like quadrupling in time, space, reality, at any moment of time. It's beyond our comprehension. So each and every one of us is a spectrum of the universe in human form. We're all here to expand and grow. And I remember. I remember hearing the story of, well, why is there so much evil in the world? You know, if we're. If the universe wants what's good, why is there so much evil in the world? And it's like, imagine the entire world was just this desert of nothingness. It's just a desert. It's neutral. But each and every one of us, we have a water bucket and seeds, and we can plant our own oasis. So I don't know why the world is a desert, but I can make my own oasis, and I can water it, and I can grow it, and I can invite you to me, my oasis, and I can come to your oasis. And every single person can create their own oasis. They can create their own vibration of what heaven on earth looks like for them. So the question is not, oh, well, why is there so much evil in the world? It's like, why do we have the capacity to create good? Like, no other animal can do that, like dogs, cats. They can't be like, I'm really choosing to create good in the world. They're just. They're just being. Whereas humans, we can. We can tangibly be of service. And I think that's really what's missing in the spiritual conversation of how is what you are manifesting of service? So even if you are manifesting a home, how is me being comfortable in my home and feeling grounded going to allow me to be of service, to channel the books that I'm here to channel, or the one on one coaching or being of service to my organization or whatever way it helps me stabilize my root chakra so I can then do this thing, me being in partnership, it allows me to feel loved and nurtured and fulfilled and met emotionally, which I can channel my love into the preschool that I want to create or whatever else it is that you want to do. So I think whatever it is you want to manifest, my practice is always like, how is this of the greatest good? And I feel like the more I can see that, the more I can make it less about me and more about the entire planet. Even with Deepak Chopra, when I met him, I was like, if this is for the highest good, let it work. And it was because him writing the forward of my book allowed more people to have trust in Ayurveda and more people to heal their health problems, which gives them more energy to raise the vibration of the planet. So I really think of service is that missing link.

And just to also just bring it down to like the, like a macro, a micro level. Where, like the macro, right? It's like, okay, how. One of the exercises that I love giving people is blessing people all day. Like, not like, don't. You don't have to, like, be like one of those people that, like, go up to someone. And especially now in like, Covid times, don't touch anyone, guys, unless you're friends with them. But like, just walking through. When I lived in New York, a practice I would love to do in the morning. So when I was walking to get, like, my green juice, I would literally just bless all the people. Like, in my head, I would just be like, blessing on you and a blessing on you. I hope you have a great day. I hope your heart is at peace. I hope. And that's like a. That's like a micro form of that of even thinking, like, okay, well, how is this, like, my home is a blessing on my children, is a blessing on me, is a blessing on my pets, is a blessing. Blessing on anybody that walks into these walls. My home can be a blessing on the community, right? If I'm a good steward of my home, my home can be a blessing to everyone that ever visits me, right? It can be a space when people come in here, like, they're blessed, they feel loved, they feel safe for that moment. Like, I know within these walls, I can provide them peace, right? And serenity. A blessing can be you making dinner for your partner. I'm going to. This is like a blessing on them, right? I'm going to provide, like, make this beautiful dinner for my partner, my kids or my friends or whatever. And being in that spirit, it's really. It's funny because we. Right before this call, I had a client and we were talking about how when you're working on your money stuff, one of the best things you can do is just pay it forward. So whenever you feel like a little. One of the things I love to do, because I worked as both a barista and I worked as a waitress when I was younger, I. I give big tips, and I love that because I know how much those people are making, and I know most of them are, like, hustling to do something else while they're working those jobs, right? So I love to, like, you know, throw an extra, like 20 at the barista or tip the same size as whatever my bill was at a restaurant or whatnot, and just give a blessing, right? Like, I acknowledge you, I see you showing up, right? And. And I think there are so many little ways we can make blessings right? In a person's day. I remember I was broke as a joke. I was on food stamps when I was, like, first moved into the city, and I'm, like, barely affording this little closet of a room. And it was Thanksgiving, and I used my food stamps to buy, like, turkey and cranberry and whole wheat bread or whatever, and I made these, like, turkey sandwiches and I gave them out to all the homeless people in the neighborhood. Neighborhood, right? And I didn't have a lot, but I felt like the richest girl in the world, right, that day because I was able to give a blessing, right? And at that point, like, I couldn't make a big donation. Like, now I donate to, like, wellness in the schools world. I donate to places, right? But I. I didn't have two coins to rub together for that fight. So I was like, this is what I do have, right? I know I'm going to get a nice good meal because I'm going to actually get to go home with my family and eat for dinner for Thanksgiving. But I can use this to give others. And I. I think that's also how we get to manifest, right? One of the biggest lessons in A Course in Miracles is what's missing. What you think is missing from the table is that which you're not serving up, right? And so we feel like we're missing something if we're not feeling, like, loved enough, if we're not feeling abundant enough, if we're not feeling blessed enough, or whatever that is, right? It's an opportunity for us to get give, right? It's an opportunity for us to say, okay, how can I give love if I'm not? If I'M not feeling that love. And how can I give something that's, like, abundant, even if I'm not feeling abundant? Because we all have something to give. And sometimes even if you don't have the money to. Or the things to, like, make sandwiches or whatnot, sometimes it's as simple as holding a door open for someone at the store or smiling at someone, you know, saying hi to, like a senior citizen that you see grocery shops, shopping, you know, and just acknowledging them because you don't know how much interaction they get with other people or whatnot. We have so many ways to give blessings. And the magic of giving a blessing is that it brings us back to the truth of who we are. We remember that we're, you know, that we're, you know, an infinite divine creation source, that we are love, that we are abundance, that we. We inherently are abundant. And who just we are are, like, in our very essence of our being is abundance because it's infinite possibilities. It's endless love, right? And so we always have something to give, because we always have. So we. We are love. So we always have love to give. We always have blessings to give. And even if it's saying a silent prayer, silent blessing for someone you see on the street, you know, do that for five people after you listen to this podcast and, like, come tell us how you feel and come tell us what manifests. Because when you start feeling that way, then, like, you're not even trying to manifest stuff. And, like, blessings come back to you because that's just how the universe works. You align with being the giver of blessings, and you will also align with being a receiver of blessings.

So true. I remember as a kid after watching Aladdin, I thought I had three wishes. And I remember I would, like, see someone who is handicapped. I'm like, okay, God, I'm going to give them one of my wishes. And then I would like to see another person, like, okay, I need one more wish to give this person, like, one more wish to be of that person. And every time, too, especially when I see people with disabilities, I'm just like, blessing and blessing them. And now I know I have endless number of blessings to give, but it's, like, so inherent in children that we can feel even the power of that, like, the power of a small interaction, even also with our own family members sometimes, too, I forget, like, me calling my mom is genuinely the highlight of her day, her week, like, her month maybe, you know, and it's like we forget just texting a friend, being like, you're doing amazing. Let me know how you are. How can I support you? I think we so forget all of the little ways that we can be of service that it feels like this faraway thing. I remember before I also started to make money, I still lived at my grandma's place, but I heard about this organization, Cambodian Children's Fund, and you can sponsor a child. And it was like $75 a month or something, which that was hard for me to continuously make. And I was like, you know what? What I'm going to do it. And that allowed me to step up into my abundance. I was like, no matter what, I need to make this payment because I cannot let this girl go to school, you know. And it made me step up into wow, that feeling of being like your service, your gifts, being of values to other people as well. And then that became my new normal. And then as soon as I could pay for one, I paid for another and another, another. I have like 10 of them now. And it's amazing because. Because every single time I up level it allows me to be of service and also to the people I want to give a voice to, to those that we have no interaction with. In parts of the world that they don't have computers, you know, in parts of the world that they still are starving, in parts of the world that there is no grocery store to go to, they're in food deserts. And I think sometimes we get so disconnected from that. Even though it's like one third of the planet is still having a hard. A hard time feeding themselves and goes to sleep. Like it's a huge percentage that only when we travel do we sometimes see that. That I think that's what's like, I want to see people like I manifested like putting toilets in this village that didn't have any and they'd have to walk to these latrines a million miles away. I want to manifest world peace between Ukraine and Russia. I want to manifest, you know, all of these things that I believe leave truly as spiritual beings, which we all are. Let's put our focuses towards something that can truly create a better world for all of us.

Yeah, absolutely. Because that inherently, that's inherently abundance, right? That's like what real abundance is. And the thing is, is when you're focused on helping others, the universe is such. And the way we all are energetically work is as such that you will be provided for, you will be taken care of. Right. The more that you focus on serving and blessing and giving and how can I show up, you know, within my means, with what my resources, with what my gifts are right now, right? With blessing. Even if it's praying for people every day. You pray, Pray. You pray enough for a certain group of people or you pray enough for a certain, you know, like, say you pray for, like, little girls over the world that are, you know, struggling. You'll be guided. You'll be get. You'll get divine inspiration. You'll get creative ideas of, like, oh, you won't even realize it. And all of a sudden there'll be something that comes across your Instagram about, like, oh. And you're like, oh, great, maybe let me look into that. Or you'll see something at your local church or your grocery store, and it's like, like, oh, there's a collection for canned goods or whatever. And it's like, things will start illuminating in your path, even if you just start with, like, how can you use me? And it's a beautiful prayer to start every day with, like, how can. How can I be of service today? And the. The way the world works and, like, kind of the foundation of this whole, like, law of attraction thing, right? It's like you attract what you are. So if you are the very essence of abundance, you will also experience that abundance. If you're always from that space of, how can I be of service? How can I be giving? You will be taken care of, right? And the beautiful part of it, it goes back to what you were saying with Kriya. I love that, is that you're in such a flow that it just happens. It's not like you're not white knuckling. You're not forcing it, right? You're. It's almost like your energy is flowing in this way and whatever unique way you're meant to. And here's the thing. Like, look, I made sandwiches for the homeless people around 65th street when my 20s. That wasn't like, I wasn't meant to start, like, the Turkey Sandwich Coalition or whatnot, right? I mean, I'm vegan. I don't even. Haven't even eat. I didn't even eat turkey at the time, But I thought it was like this festive Thanksgiving thing to do for these people. So that wasn't like, you know, my destiny wasn't to make the Turkey Sandwich Coalition of homeless people in New York City or anything like that. But that was still part of my path because that taught me about abundance. So we don't even need to translate everything into it being. It's like every little step gets to be its Own little step, right? And it's teaching and it's, it's helping us attune with that truth of who we are, that next level of frequency, that frequency of getting ourselves out of lack and getting into abundance, right? And when we're in abundance, then the decisions we make stem from that place of abundance, right? And so then we will be able to be in our right mind, so to speak, right? We're in our, we're not in our right mind when we're thinking in lack. We're not in our right mind when we're disconnected from the source and the abundance of our truth of who we are. And so once we just get into our right mind, and this is also just like a hack to get into your right mind, like be of service, you're in your right mind, right? It's that simple. Like literally go bless a few people and like you're in a different frequency already. And from that space then all of a sudden you have to make a decision for your business. You have to make a decision about your budget, you have to make a decision about whatever it is you're doing. You get to make it from your right mind, right? And then all those little right minded decisions fall up. We're not meant to. We're not here to like struggle for our things, right? We're not here to be part of like the struggle. But we learn sometimes through struggle for sure, right? And it helps clarify us, helps get us back into alignment, helps plug us back in and like remember to use our tools and plug into the divine. But the more that we do this, the more that we focus on service, the more we focus on how we can and give the blessings, then the more that we align with the frequency of that vibration that we have a lot to give, right? And then the more things effortlessly flow.

It's about that trust, trust. And it's so big, that's really the missing link. Because we are conditioned from our families or schools. Like there's no one you can trust. Like have a backup plan and, and you know, in the 3D level, like, yes, have your savings for sure, have those things. But I remember, you know, when I was 23 years old and I was like, not sure if I would be able to live my purpose or not. And talking to my shamanic teacher Malaika, I'm like, aren't you afraid of being homeless? Like I'm so afraid of like, what if I just don't make money living my dharma? And she was like, and she's like a shaman DJ like plants trees around the world with like, woman's placenta. Like, she's completely free spirit. And she's like, look, I have never once in my life not had a place to sleep. Like, whether it's a friend's place, whether it's being invited, because millionaires just want to be around my vibration and they invite me to stay in their homes. And like, right now she's like, on a yacht ship with like million billionaires Club because they just like her. And she's like, I actually end up in the best places of the world that even if I worked my entire life, I wouldn't be able to afford because people just want to be around my energy and my energy just attracts it. And it was so out of this world for me because I had never met anyone living like that before. But now I've seen many people in this sphere. Our friend Daniela Gill, the Akashic record reader, same thing. She's like, living in this mansion in Kauai, living here and just like, invited to stay in these places just because of her energy. She's just in the vortex. And you know, that's not going to be everyone's path. Like, for myself, I'd rather just have my own home personally. But it showed me that you can trust that you truly living in your gifts is going to provide for you in ways that you can't even understand. And that fear of, like, what if I become homeless? If you actually take some time to talk to homeless people, which I have done, most of them lost their path at some point. They let go of their dreams, they let go of their purpose, and it spiraled into mental health issues and not knowing themselves. So it's not like, oh, they tried to live their dharma and it failed and now they're homeless. It was just another path of also not living your dharma that ended up this way. And I think it's important to know that because it's like this big boogeyman in the back of our minds of I might end up homeless. And it's like, as long as you are living in alignment with your dharma, your gifts, in co creation with the universe, you will always be supported.

Absolutely. And I think, you know, just that example of, like, there are so many different ways that that things can manifest. So it's like you can manifest. I think both of us have experienced manifestations. Or like, we manifested money to pay for thing that we wanted. Right. We meant like, or whatever. We, you know, that we were in that flow. So we bought our, you know, I Bought my home. You pay for your apartment. It's. But there's also ways of manifesting where, like, we've manifested trips so we didn't have to pay for, right? We're manifested experiences that we didn't have to pay for. And they're all. That's why it's so important to like, loose your hands from the ideas of, you know, how everything has to kind of fall and line. It's like, who knows, like, if you have a vision of yourself on a boat or whatever that's in like your vision of you being on a boat. Like, maybe you buy that boat, maybe that's someone else's boat, maybe someone loaned you their boat, maybe you get invited on a boat. Like, there's so many different ways that that vision can come into reality, and they're all equally abundant, right? Some people would even debate that it's like more abundant to be living on the boat, but you didn't have to pay for it, right? You know, there's so many different ways it can happen. And. And I think when you are in trust, and I think trust is the biggest thing because trust is. Trust is what allows you to keep. I think trust and devotion go hand in hand, right? And it's like devotion to that higher calling and trust in your higher self and also trust in you, right? I remember I also had a homeless fear, and one of the things that healed it for me was actually like going down the line of all the different things that would have to happen for me to. To end up homeless. And I realized that there were so many points. Like, first I was living by myself at the time, so I was like, well, the first thing I would go is live with roommates, right? And then like, the second thing that would happen, maybe I have to live with a friend or a family member, right? You go down the line of how many things would have to happen and you realize that you actually have to have some trust in yourself to write. Trust in the divine. That one. If you're following the thing that lights you up, you. You will be provided and things will happen, you know, in more magical ways than you can imagine. Imagine to trust in yourself, that you have enough devotion to that calling to do what it takes to hold that space. And like, for me, a lot of that path. I knew when I started out that. And I was in. I went to school for acting and I think that actually, like, prepared me for entrepreneurship because I knew that, like, my trick to being able to do my creative call calling was going to be Able to be like, okay, I just need to like wait tables or work my assistant job or whatever. It is in devotion to my calling, right? And this is in devotion to my calling because it gives me the freedom to keep going after this calling and let it evolve and let it grow and trust that it will. And then like, so it's, it's that both, it's like trusting that there are all different ways this could work out. And maybe you end up manifesting a sweet deal with where you have a living situation where you don't have to pay rent and you live with a family member while you're getting your business going. Or you manifest, you know, a sweet part time gig that's like fun and easy, that you can just like enjoy. Even when I was working those jobs in devotion to my higher calling, right? When I was waiting tables, for instance, I didn't enjoy waiting tables. Wasn't like, I love waiting tables, but I would go in every day and I would bless everybody that I waited on. And that was, I would bless them with my energy. No matter how I felt about the fact that I had wait tables, I knew it wasn't like my Dharma or whatever, you know, I was just like, I'm here, I'm here and this is providing for me to follow my higher calling, so I'm just going to bless everyone. And it made me so magnetic. I feel like I only had that waitressing job for a few months because I would, I mean, everybody loved me. It was crazy. And like, my manager was like, like, you're just like from another planet. And I got so many auditions, I booked so many gigs that eventually like my manager called me up and said, like, we love you and you like always have a job here, but like, you're always filming, so I don't really feel like you need this job, you know. And I was like, you're right. And I literally even manifested the most loving exit to that job, right? And so it's just, you know, it's trust and devotion to that. Whatever that vision is that you have for your life, what the impact you want to make or what that path looks like or how that path unfolds. Being able to trust the process and be in devotion and to following that alignment and following that higher calling. And I think the more that you lean in that that's like, that's the only thing that expedites the process because you stop resisting it and you just like, like surrender to where you are and are the blessing and are of service. Right where you are. And then all of a sudden, like the universe, God, your higher power is like, okay, she's got it. Let's go.

Show up fully wherever you are. Show up like you are auditioning for that dream role at your waitressing job. Show up like you were the CEO at the company at your assistant job. Show up like you have a million followers to your150 and that's really how you manage manifest.

Absolutely.

Yes. So many goodies in this conversation. I'm so glad we took it this angle because it's just like we need some real, real. And I think that people are just afraid of talking about this other angle because, you know, everyone wants to talk about what's fun and like how to manifest the fun things. And like we do talk about that too.

Absolutely.

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