500: The Path to Liberation with Zahara Zimring

To me, another part of liberation is the rewilding of ourselves, of tuning back into our natural, primal, untouched nature, because society has so deeply domesticated us that we're, like, playing all these roles and wearing all these masks and performing our lives. You know, like, even with social media, I witnessed in myself of, like, I was like, at this gorgeous waterfall in Costa Rica, and my first inclination was to grab my phone and take a video for the Instagram stories, rather than being at this waterfall. And it's like, even just those layers of domestication. So how can we first become aware of them and then release them?

Yeah, slow down enough to really listen. And I notice for myself, deconstructing and deprogramming the social media addiction is significant. And when I really slow down enough, I can see that when I do that, there's something that I'm wanting to get away from inside of myself, even if that something is the feeling of being bored or doing nothing or lacking some sort of stimulation. But why is it something to resist if we're lacking stimulation? Stimulation in the form of talking to a friend or social media. If you need to have something happening all of the time, there's something that we're afraid to feel.

Welcome back to the Highest Self podcast. My name is Sahara Rose, and on this podcast we take spiritual topics and make it really grounded, modern, fun, relatable, so it can actually serve the needs of today's people. And I have been on a path of spirituality through the body, using the body's wisdom to tune into our soul's desires and seeing our desires really as sacred. And for me, our body, our human vessels, are the most godly things on this planet. And we can tune into our body. We're able to tap into our intuition, our womb wisdom, and all of the ancestral wisdom that we are holding onto somatically. And to me, the path of embodiment is the path of liberation. Because ultimately, I believe why we are here in humanity is to liberate ourselves from all of the wounds and the limiting beliefs and the traumas and the suppression and the stories that we have been holding onto, not just psychologically, but also somatically through the body. And as I have been on my spiritual journey, I've realize it's not about me getting somewhere or realizing something, but rather it's how deeply can I liberate myself from everything that I am not? And it's really a shedding process more than anything. Like, things that you thought were just you, like parts of your personality, were actually parts of your childhood. Conditioning or societal conditioning or ways that you thought you had to be to get accepted by men or friends or other people. And I find myself, as I grow, it's really observing and becoming aw of these different layers of conditioning that I have developed over time to gain love and acceptance and realizing that they're the very things that are holding me back because it's causing me to wear a mask and be someone that I am not. For example, if I want to be in a relationship, I need to be the perfect trophy wife. And how playing that role is actually keeping me from being in a great relationship, because that's not who I am. I'm a full spectrum, multifaceted goddess. So I've been on this path of liberation. And when I met this queen that you're gonna hear today named Zahara. So, yes, you, Sahara X Zahara, on the podcast today, she has dedicated her life and her career to liberation. So I'm excited to have her on the podcast here today because we're going to be talking about what I believe is the missing thing that we're all really desiring. Like underneath the breath work, underneath the therapy, underneath all these practices, what do we really want? And that's liberation. So let's welcome Zahara here on the Highest Self podcast. Welcome, Sista Queen.

Thank you so much, so much, Sahara. It feels so good to be here. And this topic is my jam.

And before we get into it, I would love to ask you, what makes you your highest self?

Yeah, that is a very big question. I think in the, you know, in the conscious community, in the spiritual community, we talk a lot about, oh, embody your highest self. But what are we actually saying when we say, embody your highest self for me, what that actually means? My highest self is the me that is free. My highest self is the me that is transcendent of the stories, the conditioning, all that is not me. But I used to have the impression that to transcend is to come away from. Actually, to transcend is to include all of. And so to transcend the stories, to transcend the fears, to transcend the limitations means to include all of the parts of yourself that ever went through any of the traumas that would cause you to go into protection, to experience limitation, to include all the parts of yourself that ever had conditioned fears that allowed you to create identity structures because you're an intelligent being, to create identity structures to protect yourself from that which you're afraid of. And as we grow and we liberate ourselves, we become ready to not avoid that which we're afraid of, but we actually become willing to feel that which we're afraid of. And that's what true liberation is to me. So higher self, the embodiment of my higher self is to become when I am the embodiment of willingness, when I am willing to include all parts of myself, when I'm not avoiding that which I'm afraid of, when I'm willing to feel all fear is a fear of feeling when I'm willing to feel that which I've been afraid of. Which doesn't mean you're creating yourself into that. It just means you're not resisting the experience that you're afraid to have. It means you're not controlling your away from it. Which oftentimes I find we end up self fulfilling ourselves if we have too much resistance. That's why the saying what you resist persists. If we have so much resistance and pressure against something, we actually have a certain amount of attention on it. And we will very commonly have to actualize ourselves into that reality so that what we're afraid of gets stirred up. And we have to generate the tools in order to hold ourselves right there and then through that process we develop and build trust in ourselves that goes beyond anything we had ever experienced before. Which when we trust ourselves, we're not resisting that which we're afraid of in the same way. And that is liberation. So to embody my highest self means that I'm willing to feel it all. And that means expanding emotional resilience and capacity. I believe on the highest, highest level, we're all connected. We're all one. We all came from source and we chose to incarnate into an individuated form. So we chose to come into a separative experience into the body. And when we come into the body, this body is the only body on this entire planet that is uniquely attuned to receive the frequency of your higher self consciousness. Like I've got the antenna for the unique curriculum, personality structure, liberated expression of my soul that is meant to be channeled through this system, through this body, in this lifetime. So the first step for me is to actually receive the texture of who it is that you are. What is the frequency that your body is tuned to receive? What is the texture of her, the you that is free? Like, if I really connect and open up my channel to connect to the me that is free, what is she like? How does she feel? What is the most liberated expression of my essence actually feel like? But that's a different thing to tune into that than it is to embody it. So you can tune into how you move, how you walk, how you feel your dharmic purpose on the planet in this lifetime. But then to actually embody it, that's step two, you become familiar, that's through meditation, you're becoming familiar with the frequency that is yours to steward through this body in this lifetime. Then the second step, from my perspective, is to embody that frequency. Now on the phase of embodiment which you spoke to in the intro, when we devote ourselves to becoming the embodied expression of our higher self consciousness, that means spirit is moving through your system at speed. So spirit comes in, inspiration strikes, and you are instantly in the action of it. There's no fear, there's nothing obstructing the liberated force of God consciousness moving through your body and your action. That is a tall glass of water. That means you have deconditioned all of your humanity's conditioning. And there's something in that that like, I really feel like for me, it's been a really humbling journey just to say, okay, now what is the embodied expression of the me that is free? So then when we bring that in to the body, it will illuminate everything that's not a match in my containers. A lot of the trauma healing comes up. Where the fears are, where the conditioned protection patterns are, will come up very strong. In contrast to this deep devotion that you've made to now you've received yourself, now that you're embodying that frequency. So you're in the action, speaking, saying something that you've been afraid to say for the very first time, singing on stage, writing a song, serving in a way that you never thought you could, and everything you've been afraid to touch and protecting yourself. We keep ourselves, we over effort, all the protection mechanisms, as we start to shed them away, it's really vulnerable because in that reality you are willing to feel the thing you've been most afraid to feel, to embody the frequency of your higher self. That means I'm saying I'm willing to feel that which I've protected myself from my entire life. That is so courageous. That is so courageous, so embodiment. And that's where a lot of the deeper somatic work and trauma healing, nervous system recalibration to help to actually expand your nervous system capacity to capacitate the energy of fear, the energy of grief, the energy of heartbreak, the energy of sadness, the energy of failure, the energy of rejection. Are you willing to risk feeling those feelings that you've spent A lifetime protecting yourself from. That's what it takes to embody the frequency of your higher self. And then from there, once you feel that you are in a large degree. Cause I don't know if you. If we're ever all the way there. But if you're getting there to a large degree, the third phase from my perspective is then expression. So receiving you receive, become familiar with the unique frequency of what it is that you're here for at the highest level. And then embodying that through devotion, that can take years of deep work to really calibrate the body to be able to source that energy. And then once you're in there, there will be a shift. And once that shift happens, now we're in the express. Now we're doing the things we never thought we could do. Now we're singing the prayers we never thought we could sing. Now people are showing up in front of you and saying, there's something different about this person. I feel different when I'm in this person's field. And often contrasting energy can come up. You're the walking as the expression of your liberated being. That can bring up a lot of contrast in other people who aren't there yet. That's where competitiveness and comparison and unworthiness and those pieces can come up. So actually having a field of invitation for others to do this work is what I'm here for. You know, that was the most comprehensive.

Answer I've ever heard to that question. So much to share. I'm like, where do we get started here? It's funny that you said that because, yeah, to me, my process has been emote, embody and express of, like, feeling the thing. And I've noticed in my own process as well, of like, we spend our entire lives running from that thing that we just don't wanna feel. And that's why most people, you know, they don't start the heal journey, you know, because they're so afraid of feeling that core unworthiness or abandonment or unimportance or whatever that thing was. And just like, feeling it feels like you. If I actually felt it, I would never be able to get out of it. And so I think we create all these protection mechanisms and create all this, like, logical sense of like, oh, like, I don't need to do that because xyz. And like, for me, just, like, recently I went to Burning man in 2019 and it wasn't my thing and. And I just had this, like. I was like, I don't like Burning Man. Like, it's too much work, and it's dusty and it's da da, da. And then most recently the past couple days, I'm like, I have resistance there. And I know so many of my dear friends, it's like this huge, like, revelatory experience for them. So what if I went into this thing that I don't want to do that feels uncomfortable, that feels like a lot of work, knowing that there is magic to it. It just. That just wasn't my experience at that level of time. But then I'm like, why am I gonna put myself through feeling discomfort? Why am I gonna put myself through that? My life is great here. And it's like, there's resistance. I know it's there for me. Exactly. So it's funny because I feel like source consciousness almost makes us have to walk into our biggest fear to grow. And it feels by design. And that has been my life and, you know, your life as well. So where do we cross that line between, like, okay, I'm really afraid of this thing. Let me walk into it. Versus, like, just making our lives hard and how do we know when the medicine is going into your fear versus, like, nourishment and taking the path of ease?

Totally. It's such a good question. So I love even the inquiry around Burning man because it just brings me back to that. I went very comprehensive in my response and the simplicity. If we want to condense my response into one word, it's willingness. It's willingness. I'm embodied in my higher self consciousness when I'm willing and within. Willingness includes compassion. Willing is not perfect. Willing doesn't mean it's gonna be comfortable. Willing doesn't mean it will go the way you think you want it to go. And I say the way you think you want it to go. Because often when it doesn't go the way we think we want it to go, it went the way we need it to go so that we can get to where we need to be for the next season of our life. And I feel like there's something in that that's really valuable relative to your question, where I know through many seasons of deeply initiatory. And when I say initiatory energy, I mean something that on the other side of it, you're not the same anymore. And after those initiatory seasons, the result, even though I was experiencing that, which I didn't prefer, the result on the other side was a level of trust in life that I wouldn't change trade for the world. And when you know that, so I Feel like, let's add trust into the ingredient with the higher self embodiment, willingness and trust. And sometimes to really gain embodied trust beyond concept, we have to die. Before we die, we have to actually surrender control. And it's hard to do that through concept. Say, well, just surrender control and then you'll develop trust. That's like easier said than done, right? And so for me, on the other side of getting slapped around hard by the universe and having to let go of everything in my known reality multiple times, as soon as I did, life showed up in ways that blew my mind every time. And I realized the degree that I don't resist the release that is happening. So if there's a surrender, if there's a letting go that you're being asked, it's the place you've always lived, your familiarity, the relationship with the person you thought you'd be with for the rest of your life, the degree that you don't resist the release that's happening is the degree that you can simultaneously receive the new life that's coming in. And so that doesn't mean if you're not resisting it, it doesn't mean it doesn't hurt. So this is to your question. If it's happening, I trust that it needs to be happening. And if there's a big initiatory energy happening in your life, I don't think you can just decide to take a self care day and it'll go away. I really believe that we can recognize like the Burning man piece feels like a choice. That feels like your badassery being like, yo, like I'm pretty self. I've been through many big initiatory arcs that I didn't choose. And now I'm like, I'm working my. I call myself a liberation artist. I'm working my liberation artistry. And like when I track my field. So this is you in active participation with life. I feel if I'm consciously tracking for my edges. Oh, there's one there. That's kind of where you sit in the question of like, do I want to like stabilize in a deeper level of self care, would that be valuable for me in this season? I would say the answer to that is yes. If you, if you've just been through a major initiatory arc and you can feel with your intuition that you know what? Right now I think the most self loving, stabilizing choice would be to nourish and restore. Not to resist another initiation happening, but actually to replenish so that when change comes again, when the Next big ask comes again, especially for those of you who are leaders and facilitators and guides and lighthouses on the planet in whatever form. And I imagine if you're living to this podcast, you're one of those. The initiatory arcs are coming. They come and they really change us in ways that are good and they hurt sometimes on the way, but it's good. And so if you need to restore after a big one, you kind of know, you're like, wow, like, whew, I feel like I just turned that corner.

And sometimes too, after a big one, it kind of makes you want to make the choices as well. Like, I found that during my divorce, I never was a cold plunger before, but I wanted to start doing it because it would make me realize pain is just sensation and this too shall pass. And it was like the somatic practice of that of like, I really don't want to go into that. And then once I do, I feel amazing after. But then after a while of doing that, I just didn't feel like I needed that medicine anymore and it served its role for me. But I think that, yeah, we can take these moments and like, lean into it and then that medicine is acquired. That sometimes the medicine is like, you don't always need to be chasing the next healing modality as well. And it's like finding that balance within yourself of where do you naturally tend to lean.

And that can be tough too, because we also, in the personal development space can kind of get off on getting expanded and the next big expansion. And so to move into the non doing actually then becomes the next big expansion. And just to know when we really do need to restore. And there's a difference, but it's important to be willing. And that trust that comes from the initiatory arcs for me helped me recognize when something I really don't prefer is rising. And like, wow, I have had resistance to that, you know, and this is something that's here for me. And sometimes it comes in really subtle ways now, you know, where I can see the way my own pattern of either one example is needing, like, things will feel really, really good. And then there's like an upper limiting thing that can happen for me that I'm working through right now where it's like, oh, I need to then make sure that what's really good is really true and really gonna stay. And that's a fear of losing love, the idea the other shoe is gonna drop, and this need to check. And then when I over check or I over Start to force and that's the energy of control. I'll notice this like ripple in the field where then you actually start to push self fulfill your way right out of the thing that was already happening that you wanted. So we really are in active participation with life. And sometimes in any relationship, like sometimes life is doing a little bit more of the heavy lifting of here's the next wave of expansion. And sometimes you're in the seat of like, oh, do I want to be proactive in this next wave of expansion or am I actually responding to this is where the growth is right now. They're a little bit different and sometimes it's right in the middle where you're kind of in that sweet choice point.

And I find the more that we choose to die, the less intense the deaths are for sure. You know, like, previous me was like, I don't want to sit with ayahuasca. That sounds like really intense and I don't want to vomit. And no. Whereas this Saturday I'm sitting in my first ceremony, which I'm very excited about. And you know, the old me was just like, I'm afraid of what will come up, you know, and now I'm like, the only thing that can come up are emotions and I'm willing to feel it all. And it's like I've felt so much that I'm just like, I'm actually excited to know what does next level feeling feel like? You know, because it makes you come more alive the more that you feel. It's like these parts of you come online and you realize that you were just operating at something like this much of the frequency of life, like radio station, like 94 to 105 and now you're like 80 to 120. Like I think of it when I'm like DJing, you know, it's like if I just like stay in the 120 range, the set's going to be all the same. But if I'm like working my way down, it's a really dynamic set. And it's like that's, that's your life, right? Like you get to have these different genres, but yes, to experience those higher highs of bliss and unity, consciousness and love, you need to go into the low ends, you know, and you need to feel that pain and that suffering. And I realized that I had spent my whole life so afraid of pain, so afraid of suffering. And then it was like I wouldn't have chosen to go into it. So God made me have to go into it. And Now I'm like, so let me choose it in these micro ways. And then I don't need to, you know, have this, like, crazy experience. It could just be, okay, I can feel something's off. I can feel there's that next initiation. And that's how it does become exciting. Of just like, ooh, what else is under the hood of the car that I'm not aware of? So I want to dive deeper just into the concept of liberation. You know, I feel like a lot of us, when we think of liberation, we think of, I don't know, like, take your top off or like, I don't know, the fourth of July. It's like almost like a word we haven't really embodied in our lives, in our vocabulary, even, like the word freedom. It's like we think of human rights, but it's like to you, what is like to live a liberated life?

Yeah, Living a liberated life is a life where I surprise myself again and again. And I find that I'm able to unlock untapped potentials as an infinite being channeling source consciousness through a finite body, which sounds so meta. I've had so many lifetimes. In this lifetime, I hear myself. Even that sentence that I just said, I'm an infinite being channeling infinite consciousness through this finite form. In my Olympic athlete phase or my sports agent phase, I didn't have an ounce of connection to that, even that type of language. In the first seven years of my journey of awakening, I had no touch point to the possibility that I could play music, sing songs, play the guitar, work the drum. Now I'm able to hold hours of sound on my own because I was willing to feel the feeling of it not sounding good. I was willing to feel the feeling of being rejected. What if it doesn't work but people don't like it? What if you know, all those feelings? Everything we're speaking to here is through the willingness to feel the shadow sides of the spectrum which I spent so much of my life protecting myself from. And the way that would look for me historically was people pleasing, contorting myself, keeping myself small. When someone's in that type of protection, they're afraid. They're afraid of being rejected, of love being taken, of love being conditional, right of not being included. These are like primal, human, instinctual pieces that it makes a lot of sense that we would protect ourselves from. And so I had to be actually willing and go through a season of letting relationships recede for a while so that I could feel what it is to have my own Back fully, no matter what, and in that, and then put myself out there and be vulnerable and try things that I had never tried before. And that's what liberation means to me, is that I'm just willing to be having fun with life, to try new things, to rock it out and surprise myself if I'm not surprising myself with what's possible. Like right now, I'm watching you. You're DJing, you're finding new iterations of who you are and what's possible for you. Because the higher self consciousness that you're stewarding through this body is limitless. We are limitless beings with so much untapped potential in so many different categories. Now, the body that we chose to come in with, I really do feel like we each have a unique design and that design is connected to our body, the combo of the consciousness being channeled through the body. So focusing our attention as we discover and we unlock more of what's possible for us, we're gonna start to lock into our design even more. And we find that through what we're excited about. What do you lose? Time? What are you doing when time goes away? When I'm in my facilitation mode and facilitating ceremonies and immersions, I can do that marathon level for a full 24 hour experience. An overnight experience, that's a 10 hour full on. And it feels like 30 minutes for me. It's when you're losing time and it's the same for anyone else. So if you haven't found what it is that allows you to go into a timeless state, I. I know that there's more.

So in my own spiritual journey of really honoring the sacred feminine energy within me, I realized that we're not all the same. And we all have different pathways that we can take. That I put together in creating five archetypes which I call the Rose Gold Goddess archetypes. They are the Embodiment Queen, the Womb Whisperer, the Intuitive Oracle, the Expressionista, and the Joy Priestess. And I've put together a free quiz so you can find out what your unique combination are. So the Embodiment Queen is the person who's always in her body, dancing, moving, very connected to her nervous system. The Womb Whisperer always knows where she's at in her menstrual cycle and probably has a yoni steamer in her bathroom. The Intuitive Oracle has three oracle card decks on them, a pendulum, and knows about their past lives. The Expressionista is creating art through everything, through singing, dancing, writing, poetry, everything for her is an opportunity to create Art. And then we've got the joy priestess who wants to laugh, dance, and not take herself super seriously. You can find her doing karaoke at an improv class or twerking it on the dance floor. You can guess which one I am. So you can head over to rggquiz.com to learn what your unique rose gold goddess archetype is. Again, that's rggquiz.com and you can find that link in the show notes. And I've created custom graphics that you get in your results so you can share which rose gold goddess archetype you are. I'm super excited to see. And I want to stop right there, because what you're describing is living your dharma. And also what you're describing is you may have dharmas and things that you've never actually yet tried. And I think that a lot of us think, well, if I was a good singer, I would have been gifted with a good voice. So because I didn't have a good voice, that's not my dharma. And yes, some people naturally have better voices than others. But then look, for you, that wasn't your background. You were a sports agent and an athlete, and now you're singing for hours on end, and your greatest expression is singing. And we've shared how. First it was, like, surrounding yourself by musicians. Then you realized why it was because you wanted to be that. And it was the same for me of, like, I was like, I want to date DJs. It's like, cause I wanted to be a DJ, but I thought I could never do that, so how could I be close to it? And now, even for me, too, it's like, I love people's voices. I'm, like, very magnetized by it. I hear that a lot. And it's like, because I haven't. I mean, I've done my speaking voice, but I haven't stepped into my singing voice yet, because that's what's there for me. But so then we have those things that. It's like, had we not had the courage to step into this new uncomfortable thing, that you're not good at it. And. And like, being a coach, like, at the beginning, you probably. The first coaching session, you talk the whole time. You don't even let the person talk. And it's like that discomfort at the beginning, most of us never go through that. It's like Aladdin going through that little, you know, that gold mine thing that there's like, there's nothing there. And then it's like, boom. All this gold and it's like, that's there on the other side. So it's like finding that balance between the things that come easy for you, effortless for you, you know, it's why you're here. I'm the same way. I could do this podcast. You're. I'm like, on hour five right now, and I'm just like. It's about, like, five minutes. And there are also expressions that I don't even know about yet that will.

Become part of my life's work, including potentially singing.

I think we've created that Runway.

When I was at a Red rock.

I was like, one day, I will be here singing. And I was just like. And even, like, my relationship with plant medicine and things like that. I was like, that's not my path. And it's like now that identity has changed, so it's like letting me. New parts of ourselves come online with. Wrapping them with who we've already been all along.

Yeah, it's amazing, and I'm so excited to experience all these new iterations of what you're stepping into. On the other side of some of life's biggest initiatory death portals is life. That's the cycle. That's the nature of life. That's the nature of nature. It's cyclical. We're gonna go through life, death, life cycles no matter what. That's what it is to be human on the planet at this time. If we're in resistance to the death part of the cycle, that is what's gonna yield stagnation, you know? So I really appreciate the many iterations that I've gotten to journey through that has led to more possibility, spectrum opening. And with singing, I mean, I wouldn't consider myself a professional musician, but I would say that I can now hold a field with my voice. And it's not about having the best voice. It's about loving the voice that you have and going all in on the voice that you have. And I'm telling you, if I can sing, you can sing. And it's literally just the willingness. Again, I keep coming back to that word. It's the willingness and the devotion. But really, where do we want to apply our devotion? It's to that which we're most passionate about. And you've really got to devote yourself. So find what has you. Go timeless, and then devote yourself right there.

And to me, another part of liberation is three wild energy of ourselves, of tuning back into our natural, primal, untouched nature. Because society has so deeply domesticated us that we're like Playing all these roles and wearing all these masks and performing our lives, you know, like, even with social media, I witnessed in myself of like, I was like, at this gorgeous waterfall in Costa Rica and my first inclination was to grab my phone and take a video for the Instagram stories rather than. Than being at this waterfall. And it's like even just those layers of domestication. So how can we first become aware of them and then release them?

Yeah, slow down enough to really listen. And I notice for myself, deconstructing and deprogramming the social media addiction is significant. And when I really slow down enough, I can see that when I do that there's something that I'm wanting to get away from inside of myself. Even if that something is the feeling of being bored or doing nothing or lacking some sort of stimulation. But why is it something to resist if we're lacking stimulation? Stimulation in the form of talking to a friend or social media, if you need to have something happening all of the time, there's something that we're afraid to feel. And rewilding, for me is coming back to my primal nature. It is coming back to my connection to the planet, to the earth, to the breath, to the waters, to the. The trees. And if I'm in nature, the way that I appreciate it the most is to get still. And in that stillness, it doesn't mean that it's always ferngully comfortable, you know, ferngully beautiful and fairy tale vibes. It's like, wow, when I get the most still, that's often the most revelatory place to be. I have this tree. I have this tree. It's not my tree. There's a tree that I love in Topanga and. And it's this incredible. The biggest grandmother oak I've ever seen. And it's just so beautiful. And it's the secret spot. And over all my years here in la, I would just go to this tree and find time to be by myself. There's no service, so I can't check my phone even if I want to. And in the stillness in that place, in that space is where I meet myself the most. That's where I find I notice all the ways that I wanna reach outside of myself in order to feel safe, in order to feel secure, in order to feel whole. And I find the security and the stability through. In training, co. In training, co regulating with a tree, you can co regulate with the earth and move it, you know, connect to the Schumann resonance, the Schumann frequency, which is the pace of the planet and to really feel that, to breathe that up through your feet. We are of the earth to breathe that up through your feet. We've got to find our way home to move slow. And that's earth energy. That's earth energy. That's the most wild. It's, you know, I think we've jammed on this a little bit from, you know, there's Eastern traditions and there's, you know, these South American and native traditions, Earth based wisdom. And then there's also the more transcendent, right? There's leaving the body through spirituality, right. It's like the elevator goes up. Transcending the form. A lot of the Eastern traditions really encourage more of the transcending the form, coming out of the feeling, not letting the drama of all of the form get, get a hold of you. And then there's the earth based traditions which is so much about the howling at the moon, dancing around the fire, permission to feel and express fully. And that's the path of embodiment. And so I really, I walk more the path of embodiment. And I find that the path of transcendence is also really important medicine. They're complimentary. I think both are super important because we can go into the shadow of what's rewilding. There's like first stage in David Data's work. First stage, second stage, third stage. The first stage and the third stage can look very similar. So if we put it in that framework wild, you know, and often in the first stage it's just like I need to get free at all costs. So first stage wild is like, you know, a woman who's been contracted, closed, repressed her whole life just in that explosive fuck you. It's almost like a teenager kind of rebellion. Like fuck you, I'm free. I can do what I want. You know, that kind of energy. And that's actually really important. That's an important stage of development to blow away all of the control systems that you've bought into at any point. We're always, always responsible for whatever it is that we've chosen to buy into. We blow them out with our rebellion, right? Like I can do what I want. I can run naked outside and howl at the moon. And it's kind of like fuck it, you know. And then there's a grounding into the, I would say the second stage, if we're using this framework, which is more of a balanced, integrative place of mutual respect for self and other. And then there's a third stage which I think is kind aiming for, which is Total devotion to whatever's true and needed in the moment. And sometimes what takes the most courage and what's true and needed in the moment, the wildest thing you could do in certain situations is be quiet. But that isn't because you're repressed. That's because you're not speaking out of force or pressure. It's because what's true in that moment, the most wild, authentic thing that you could do is actually. Actually hold the mark or hold the line in a moment. And then in that same. A different scenario, same day, the most true, authentic thing you could do was hold a boundary and speak a harsh. A truth. That is really scary to say. And that's wild. Wow. That was wild. Sahara said that, and I was like, wow. When I really sat with it later. That took a lot of courage to say that was wild. But she had to go through phase one of liberating, being willing to do that. Phase two of kind of integrating, landing in it, not needing to do that. But then phase three is again, just being willing to do whatever it takes. That is true for you in the moment. That's spirit moving at speed through the body. That is you embodying your highest self. That's wild. That's nature. That is what is natural. That is supernatural. That is supernatural. To be fully allied and devoted to the moment and willing to do or not do whatever serves the highest for you, which, if it serves the highest for you, and it's true, it will absolutely serve everyone around you. It will serve the field. That level of devotion and willingness, that's third stage wild. That's higher. Self embodied. That's hot. That's. I love that. That's where, you know, that's the aim.

Yes. It's so interesting that you say that, because this morning I was, like, observing in myself of, you know, after my divorce, I was like, I'm traveling everywhere. I'm in Egypt, I'm in Dubai. Now I'm in Bali. And now I'm in Trinidad. Now I'm in St. Lucia. And now I'm DJing in Costa Rica. And it was, like, for months, and then I came back to LA and I was like, I kind of just like, want to just, like, stay at my house and ground. But I was like, but I'm free. I can live anywhere I want. Like, why would I do that? But I was like, but that's my genuine desire. Now I don't want to. I love my inner bad bitch. That's like, you know, all over. But I just want to ground and have these conversations and have a routine in a fridge and, you know, and do my writing and stuff. Even though I. And. And it's like I have the full potentiality to do it all. And I'm choosing this in this moment.

It's not cause you're repressed, it's because it's true.

Exactly. And I was like, it's so interesting because we think that. Yeah, it's like, imagine you just got out of a jail, for example. It's like, the first thing you're gonna do is like, whatever you couldn't do. You're just gonna eat. You're gonna whatever. And then it's like, you're gonna not create a new jail, but create a new cocoon and create a new nest. And I think there is something really natural in that, that, like, we need those ebbs and flows of the winters and the summers and the winters and the. We can have more micro expressions of it that, like, maybe this weekend we'll all get naked and howl at the moon and have that.

Yeah, we probably will.

And then be able to have, like, a really inward week where you're just, like, really committed to your work and, like, loving doing that too. You know, I think sometimes when you're not, like, I ask people who, you know, who are not living their dharmas, I'm like, if you could do anything you want and you won the lottery, what would you do? And they're like, I would just hang on a beach forever. And I'm like, would you really? You know, because even that beach would get boring after a while. So I feel like that's exactly what liberation is, is to choose. And choosing doesn't mean the most grandiose thing at the time, but to choose what actually feels like the right next step for you. So, so many juicy tidbits to share. So if someone is listening right now, and maybe they're feeling like, okay, okay, I'm in this death and rebirth cycle, but I haven't allowed myself to fully die. You know, I'm still holding onto the past relationship or the job or the thing I'm so afraid of letting go. What advice do you have for them?

First of all, compassion. You know, becoming aware, I would say, is the first step. Just be willing to become aware of where you are holding on and be honest with yourself about. And then when you are honest with yourself about where you're actually holding on, that means you're speaking to a part of yourself that's afraid. Because if you're holding on and in control holding on, for example, to a relationship that has expired, and you know that, and you have to fight to be in it and it's expired. There's a part of you that's terrified to experience the feelings on the other side of what that release would be and to go into the unknown, which may be the first time ever, ever truly going into the unknown, you know, I had a big breakup after a four year relationship where we built ourselves into a reality that was everything I thought I wanted. Beautiful home in the Palisades, incredible community here, serving in a good way, both of us. Man, I thought I'd be with for the rest of my life. And then I started feeling stagnant and I held on for as long as I could. And we laid it all out on the field, we did everything. And then we found out the house was being sold. And by the time we moved out of the house, we decided to each go to different countries. Creates separation for a month. And by the end of that month, we ended the relationship and I found myself in a foreign country, no longer living in the city I had been in for eight years, no longer knowing if I'd even be back with my huge community that I felt safe with, the relationship with the man I thought I'd be with the rest of my life over. Had no idea what was next. And just on my knees in the jungle for the very first time, like, wow, you know, and what happened in that moment is I made up a story which in some way is true. I that from my facilitator hat. So take what's true in this, right, That I had to know for the first time in my life that I could hold myself through that initiation, that I could. So I had a session with this somatic therapist during that time that a friend recommended to me. And my nervous system was like freaking out. Even though on a higher level this brings us back to the higher self. And then on a higher level I could see that, wow, this is gonna be a reference point for me for the very first time of actually holding myself in a truly unknown place, with heartbreak, with trauma coming up, and with awareness that I'm not going to numb, escape, run away from it, like, really, like, I'm here for this, I'm choosing this. I had enough perspective and context at that point to recognize this was an initiatory energy that was creating a reference point for me to actually hold the work that I do with integrity for others to move through, through these life passages and still my body in that moment, freaking out my Nervous system, super, like panic attacks, not able to, like in the jungle by myself, panic attack, like this heartbreak relationship, barely able to fully accept that. And this somatic therapist gets on with me and I shared with her while I'm like, you know, in tears and I'm in the mind, I'm in the story. And the theory of, you know, I chose this and this is happening, it's gonna amplify the work I'm doing with the dojo field. And I'm in the unknown. And this is the. I need to know that I don't need anything or anyone outside of myself to hold myself through this. I need to know. And she said, you know, Zahara, the story you're telling me right now, like I feel you in the facilitation of it. And perhaps looking back retrospectively, you'll see that, which is what happened. And, and I feel really sad for the little girl in you right now that you're asking to white knuckle on the level of the body through this experience. This is really hard, what you're going through right now. This is a really big thing. And if you see this is like developmental level stuff coming up, where you feel mom and dad, you know, like the masculine safety authority figure is not here. My partner, right? Like, this is like developmental trauma coming up for you, where you're feeling abandoned, you're feeling alone, nobody's there to support you, you know, all those things. But it wasn't. Nobody was. It was that I had a story, that I had to do it myself. So I wasn't open to the support. So in that moment, she said, if you see a baby in a bassinet, or even a three year old in a crib or a small bed, and that three year old is crying, or a one year old is losing their mind, or even bring it lower. Cause I mean, younger, because this is developmental trauma coming up, which it rings the bell of the whole line. If you're about to release something that big. If you see a baby crying in a crib, you don't take away its pillow, take away its bott. Tell the mother to leave and say, you figure it out yourself. You say, oh my God, how can we make this more comfortable for you? This is a really big thing that you're feeling. That's a big feeling. You got this. Here's a bottle, here's another blanket. Let's bring the mama's face over and like, you don't have to do this by yourself, Zahara. You know, like the one year old in you. So maybe there is a reality where you doing this for yourself actually looks like creating a reality where you're receiving support. And that really landed for me. So what happened after that? As soon as I opened up my field and I was like, wow, like I actually get to take care of myself deeply through this experience, which includes receiving support from others. That is me receiving support from myself. I walk into a coffee shop that day and a dear brother of mine was sitting on his computer. I have this big house in the jungle in Costa Rica that I'm at by myself. And he's sitting on a computer looking at airplane. He's like, whoa, Zahara. And we hadn't seen each other in a couple years, but a good dear brother. And he was also going through a breakup and he's looking at Airbnbs on a computer to move into that day. And I was like, man, I have a spot. You should just come stay with me. And after that it was like this windfall of support in every form coming in and just I was open to support in whatever form, whatever's the bottle for my 1 year old, for my 10 year old, for my 25 year old, for my 35 year old, whatever it is, it was just like one stepping stone after the next showing up. And that's where that trust in life began to build in a way that feels like it's integrated. Where now I know when big the next big ones, you know, big initiatory arcs come, I trust and I know. So for the ones going through that right now that are holding on, they're like, wow. I just can't seem to let go. I'm too afraid. I'm at the edge of the precipice and if I jump, I just don't have the, the reference point that the net will appear. I would say first, just be willing to know and be honest with yourself that that's where you are and bring compassion to the fact that that is really scary. And compassion is the lubrication that a true evolutionary process needs to actually feel healing. We wanna like stretch, but we don't wanna break a leg. You know what I mean? So it's like, wow. Then when you start to feel this environment of compassion and no matter what with yourself, I'm aware that I'm staying in this relationship longer than is true. And maybe I'm not just not ready. I need another month to just fully, thoroughly explore it. That's me like stretching, but I'm not gonna break a leg. And then life will continue to make it harder to stay as soon as you're honest with yourself. And then there'll come a time where you're gonna be ready to let go. And it doesn't mean it's not gonna be scary. But when you let go, that's where we start to find all the ways that we had needs that weren't met at any point in our life, they're gonna come come up and we get to find the way to meet those needs for ourselves. And sometimes it doesn't look the way we think it's going to look. Meeting our own needs, sometimes doing it ourselves, having a backbone doesn't always look like I have to know I'm doing this for myself. I'm self sourcing. This is all coming from inside. It's true. That's true. And your energy is an attraction field. We are relational beings. So the what you need in a moment flushes. So can we just let any story go about what it looks like that you'll need and just know that you're willing to give yourself whatever it is that you need when you jump off that ledge into the unknown. And life will support that process. But that reference point is a big one. I love that.

Well, thank you so much for sharing all of your wisdom here. I deeply resonate with your story of the exact same thing. It was like really my dark night of the soul that opened me up to receiving support and community. And so sometimes we need that experience and it's gonna hurt regardless. So it's like, do we wanna prolong the pain or are we ready to dive into it? So thank you for all of your wisdom and your stories and where can listeners connect with you further?

Yeah, so you guys can find me on Instagram A harazimring Z A H A R A Z I M R I N G and my website is the same. I'm calling in the women now for an intimate group for the next round of the dojo immersed, which three month higher self embodiment initiation that I actually described at the beginning of the episode. And you'll know. I really trust that the women who are meant to come into the dojo field will feel it and will know and I encourage you to reach out to me. This is the time. I'm calling in the women now. So I feel really grateful to have the opportunity to be exposed to your community. And I know knowing you and who you are and the way that you walk, that the women and men listening are a reflection of of that. And so I feel really grateful to get to transmit my message and my heart and my work into a field like that. So thank you.

Beautiful. Well, thank you so much for being here today and thank you so much for tuning in. If you loved this episode, I would love for you to leave a review on the iTunes store and as a free gift I will send you my Womb Meditation, which is a meditation to connect to your womb's inner wisdom and receive her answers. Because our bodies know we just need to take that moment of stillness to really drop in and listen. So you can head over to Podcasts on your iPhone or or the Apple Store, leave a review and take a screenshot and send it over to me@saharaiamsahararose.com youm can find that email in the show notes and I will email you over my free Womb Meditation. Be sure to also share this episode with anyone that you think will benefit from it. Share it on your stories we need more liberated souls out there living their dharmas, living their fullest expressions and being permission slips for other people of what's possible. This is how we co create the world that we all seek to be a part of. So I just honor you for really tuning into this conversation. It takes a certain type of frequency for being here. So I see you, I feel you and together we're going to co create this beautiful liberated world. So thank you so much for tuning in and I'll see you on the next one. Namaste.

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