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For those of you guys that don't know, Sam was actually my very first business coach. So when I started this podcast, I was like, we need to get Miss Samantha Daly on, on here because truly, and like, I mean this so genuinely, I wouldn't be here without you.

Oh my God. It feels like you have— well, you have completely changed your life since when we worked together, and it feels like so many lifetimes have passed between then and now. But it also has happened like so quickly. But it's just been really fun to like watch you grow and just like do your fucking thing. And you were like almost at the point of moving to New York when we were working together. And like, since New York, I feel like your whole vibe is just like complete and your brand like has completely like evolved and shifted. So it's really fun to like see this version of you now.

Yeah, I remember. I mean, when we started working together, I was still mindset coaching, manifestation coaching, and I remember you telling me over and over, like the one thing that sticks in my head that I literally still tell all my clients and I hear like in my ears all the time is it's not about selling more, it's about being more, you know, living bigger, like that whole concept. And I think you really drilled that into my head and like that's become a core pillar in my brand, like through the whole shift into business coaching, moving to New York, all of that. And like anyone listening, you need that, I think, tattooed on your head because it's been one of the biggest things that's helped me blow up.

Yeah, you don't have to sell harder. You just need to live bigger.

Exactly.

And I think you're a really fun example of that because you're someone who, like I say that a lot, but like you're someone who literally took it so seriously and like you just were like, you made your whole life like around that statement and like it really worked for you. So I think it's so cool to see like you are now the embodiment of that saying like don't sell harder, live bigger.

I was like, live bigger. Got it. Let's move to Manhattan. Yeah, heard. Yeah, I love that. But I mean, I even say that to Lucian, like, we take that in our personal lives too. So not even like selling, but just the concept of living bigger and like living a bigger life. We have totally taken that and ran with it in all means. I mean, like, Italy was a huge part of that too. We're just like, how can we live bigger? How can we go do bigger things with our lives? And like, now he's on the verge of leaving his 9-to-5 which I never thought would happen. Like, he was Mr. Like, I want to be the Wolf of Wall Street. Like, that was his vibe. And that's why we moved to Manhattan, right? He's like, this is my dream job. I want to work on Wall Street. I want to be a stock guy. And now, like, seeing the evolution of how that's rubbed off on him, and he's like, fuck corporate, I want to be a real estate developer. Like, completely came out of left field, but it all stems from that concept of like, let's get out there and live bigger.

Yeah, I— it's so funny because I remember the conversations. I was gonna say this to you yesterday when we were messaging, but I remember the conversations of him being like, do you think you're gonna be able to like make enough money doing this? And then like fast forward a little bit and he's, he's like caught the entrepreneur bug and he's like, wait, I think I'm gonna quit my job and like work for myself. You're like, oh, interesting.

Okay, yeah, I, I mean, you helped me with that. Like we were having those conversations and I'm like, Sam, like I don't know how I'm going to pay rent and how am I going to keep up with Lucian? And he's making all this money on Wall Street. What am I going to do? My business isn't taking off. And you're like, you need to calm down first of all. You are going to soar. And I mean, that completely manifested. But it's so funny looking back on the conversations that we had. I literally remember sitting here when I just moved into New York at this desk, getting off calls with you and being like, deep breath, you can do this. And I was so stressed. So it's so funny to be face to face again now. What? A year and a half later, 2 years later or something like that.

Full 360, which is so funny. I remember telling you like, there is going to come a day where like you're going to make more money than him. Like, don't worry about it.

He's going to go away. I'm like, I want to believe you, but I'm curious. Like, I just want to spin on that a little bit with you because you're the breadwinner, like in your relationship, I can assume. And I'm curious, like, what that dynamic is like for you because it's so opposite of what, like, society kind of pushes on everybody. Like, the man is usually the breadwinner in any relationship, right? So, like, I'm curious, like, what that's like for you in your relationship.

Yeah. Okay. I'm going to take, like, a— we can unpack this further, but I want to be just, like, really real about this because I've been having so many realizations lately about this. And I think it was like always aspirational to be like, I'm the breadwinner, or like, I'm the boss in the house, and like, I make the money. And now I'm like, I actually don't— I actually don't want that. Like, I, I've had several years of this scenario, and I'm like, it would feel so cozy and supportive and great for me if you were actually making more money. So then I could maybe chill with like how ambitious I am and like how much I love to work. But then again, I was just talking to Jaime about this the other night. It's like, is that also just a story in my head where I'm like, if you were making more money, then I would feel relaxed enough to like chill more in my business and not want to launch all the time or not need to sell all the time. But in reality, like, I just love what I do and I love working. So I would probably be working this much anyways. I don't really— I don't really know yet because that's not our reality. Yet, but he's fully aware. Like, the goal is like, no, I, I want to go back to the times where like you were making more money than me. I don't know, I just like that, like being the feminine person in the relationship. I just want to feel that again. I think when you are the breadwinner, there's certain— like, I underestimated, or I guess I didn't even think about like the weight of the responsibilities of, you know, we bought a home. I mean, I guess I bought a home, and there's so many just expenses and life. And like, we were used to living in Europe, right? Like, we lived in Spain for 6 years, and then we moved to the US, and I bought a beach condo, and now I have a car, and I have health insurance, and all kinds of stuff that I didn't have to like think about in Europe. And I think it's a combination of, you know, being the breadwinner and having that sort of pressure of like, in order for us to maintain our lifestyle and take care of the things that we— our bills and stuff like that, like I need to be producing. But it's also just like the weight of responsibility of adulthood that I wasn't really used to because I spent my early 20s like fucking around in Europe, essentially, you know, working really low-paying jobs and not really having to worry because most stuff is free or cheap in Europe, you know? Like, I didn't have to think about that stuff. So I think it's a combination not just of me being the breadwinner, but also just a new, a new echelon of like the weight of responsibility. And I really, I really don't like it. Like, I do not. I say all the time, there's certain things that'll come up and I'll be like, I can't be responsible for that. Like, the word responsible has come up so much, and I'm realizing I have like an aversion to needing to be responsible for everything. Yeah, I'm like, no.

Like, the mail, goodbye.

I didn't open our mailbox for 6 weeks when we bought this house. I literally— because there's like, there's like cubbyholes that have our like apartment number on them, but then there's the actual like lock mailboxes where the US Postal Service like puts your proper mail. And I just like never opened the lock one. And so I opened it after 6 weeks and there's overflowing with letters. Like when you get a mortgage for something, there's so many scammers that mail you shit that's like Final notice, like mortgage statement. And I didn't know that they were all scams at first. So I just saw all this mail and I was like, shit. Oh my God. Like, I totally fucked up. Like, I do not know how to be an adult, own a house. Like, and it was just like a lot of things where I was like, yo, like the responsibility of making a lot of money is like actually real.

More money, more problems. More money, different problems.

Different problems. That's right.

Yeah. Oh, that's so interesting. I love that you brought up Europe too, because Something that just came to mind when we went out for dinner on one of our, like, really nice Italian dinners, we sat down, they, like, pulled my chair out and all of that, feeling like total lady. And we get the menus and his was the only menu with the price on it. Like, mine didn't even have numbers on it at all. And that's how every table was. And I was like, I kind of fuck with this. But like, imagine that in America. Like, I feel like people would riot.

Totally. It's like very anti-feminist to do that. But also there's a— that's the thing about like feminine energy is like we all— I think we've been societally conditioned to want to be equal so badly. And there's so many areas in life where women do need more protection and more rights and we do need to be equal. But then there's like we've just kind of like brushed that as like a broad stroke across everything, like we want to be equal in everything. When you really get down to like the heart of your true desires, a lot of women don't want to be responsible for the same things as men. Like, they, yeah, they just don't. So it's like, yeah, I want to be equal in the sense that I can work and earn my own money and, you know, hopefully have fucking proper healthcare where there's so many things that we truly do need. But there are still a lot of things where it's like, yeah, I desire to be like the feminine who is submissive to the masculine, or take care of the masculine. Yeah, like the masculine provides and protects, and it feels really good for him to have the prices on the menu and for me to be like, wow, I feel like a princess in this moment. And if you don't like that or you don't want that, like, that's cool too, right?

Yeah, exactly. I mean, I think that's where it stems from a lot for me, because like for so long, I mean, I was selling rental cars and not making a lot of money, and before that I was working at like the vet's office not making a lot of money. So now like that money is coming in, I feel the competitiveness like kicking into overdrive, right? But like, I feel what you're saying because I, I love that in a relationship. Like, I want him to take care of me. I want to be in my feminine. I want him to like pay for stuff. Like, sometimes we go to like Chipotle or whatever and he pays for his, and I look at him and I'm like, what about me? You know? So like, that's still there too. But I, I think that's I think that's part of it. I think it's like that competitiveness from not having a lot of money and like not being confident in my own finances. And now it's like getting kicked into overdrive now that it's like coming in. So I think that's where my thoughts come of like, I want to be the breadwinner. But then I think deeper down, you know, like having opening the conversation up, I'm like, do I? Yeah, no, I want money. I want money and I want, I want the, the security, I think is what it is.

Totally. And that's like why I felt like I should say that, because I felt the same way. I always wanted to make my own money and have that sense of like independence and power and whatever. And I have that. And also I can have that without being the breadwinner because it's one of those things I feel like where it's almost— yeah, it's like this thing that's idealized and then you get there and you're like, I don't really— I don't really fuck with this as much as I thought that I would. Like, I kind of want, like, you to be, like, the boss.

Yeah, definitely. Has Jaime ever felt, like, like, insecure about the amount of money that you make or, like, that dynamic in the relationship?

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No, he's never felt insecure about the money that I make, but he definitely puts a lot of pressure on himself because he too would love to be like the provider. So I never put pressure on him, but he has his own like intrinsic sort of pressure of like, fuck, like I wish I was doing better for us because I want to be the provider.

Yeah, Lucian's never like voiced it. Like I remember the first time I had a $20K month and I think that was the first time he was like, whoa, like something's happening. So I think that was the first time he was like, I, I need to get, I need to get started with something. But he's never felt insecure about it. I think because he's so secure in the fact that like he knows he's gonna be successful, he knows he's gonna make so much money. But I've definitely seen like, we're both very competitive, you know? So like I've seen that kind of fire be lit under him, which I think is a good thing, but like. Like, it's just interesting kind of seeing it happen for him. I'm like, oh, I made $20K months, and he's like supportive and he's celebrating. He's like, that's incredible, like, keep going. And he like, he wants that for me. But then I look over and I see him like on his computer, like, I know he's like over there grinding.

It's so funny. I feel like you guys kind of have that, like, even with the New York and like Red Sox, with the Yankees and the Red Sox thing. Like, I feel like you guys kind of have that like dynamic in your relationship where you're just like Kind of like one-upping each other.

Yeah, that's hilarious. So I mean, I've been dying to hear the story about how you guys met over in Spain because here's where my head's at. And like, I was just in Italy and I like was kind of thinking about you because I knew we had this podcast coming up and I'm like, I feel like that was really brave. Of her to, like, go on dates with foreign men. Like, I instantly— and this is just my fucked up brain— like, I think Taken. I'm like, this man is going to kidnap me. And like, I would be so afraid to go on a date in Europe and like, date a European man. Like, that would be an actual fear of mine. So like, I would love to hear the story of how this happened.

Okay. Well, to be fair, I definitely had context for the movie Taken. Watched it many times. My dad and I love that movie. My parents probably felt like me going away to Europe at 21 years old was going to be like a take-in scenario. Yeah, totally. But also, I was 21, so you're kind of like at that age where you're, you know, that like bad things could happen, but also you give way less fucks than you do in your late 20s or early 30s, right? Like, you're just, there's so many things now that I'm way more scared of that I had, wouldn't have even thought of when I was 21. So I think there was— I had that going for me. I made sure to like tell people like that I was going on a date and let them know like what was happening in case they didn't hear from me and stuff. So I tried to like take precautions, but it definitely was brave. I think it was more brave not just from like a safety perspective. Well, he actually picked me up in his car at my host family's house, so I literally got in a car with this guy.

See, like, this is what I'm saying. This is what I'm saying.

Okay, let's rewind a little bit because I actually was smart. I'm going to give myself credit. I actually was smarter than that. The true first time that we met up, I was like, it needs to be in a public place and my friends need to be there. Okay. So we were going to like an Irish pub. It was St. Patrick's Day. And I told him, I was like, we're going to be at this place if you want to come by. And so that was the first night that we actually saw each other. But that he took so long to show up that night that I was I was so drunk by the time that he got there. I was stumbling out of the bar as he was like giving his ID to the bouncer and like walking in. And I just hear my name and I like look up and it's like this Spanish dude and he's saying my name and I couldn't put any words together. I was like, sí, sí, sí. No, no, no. I was just saying yes and no to all these things. And then I was like, bye. And I went and got a taxi and, and just left. So that was the first time that we— that was supposed to be like, I'm going to get to know him in a public place, like where my friends are. That was the plan. So we decided to do that that night. Yes. Yes. But I actually think that was a power move that I was so drunk that I didn't even care to, like, stay once he showed up because it, like, left him with this, like, intrigue of like, yo, this girl is like so on her own shit. She like doesn't even care. Like, she doesn't even need me. So I was like, Honestly, shout out to that because that's not my personality type, really. But that was lucky. That was a lucky move. That was a good chess move. So that was the first time that we saw each other. And then the— our actual, like, proper first date, like, get to know each other, he picked me up from my host family's house and I did get in the car with him. Um, but I think, like, what I was gonna say is I was more nervous about just the communication piece of like, I have to speak a second language on a first date with someone. Like, do you know how nerve-wracking that is? Yeah. Like, people are nervous about a first date in general. Not to mention, I barely am like getting by in this language, in this country, and I'm about to go on a date with this guy that, by the way, I think is so hot. I told my friends, I was like, if I do not sleep with him, like, this whole trip is a fail. Like, we will be hooking up. Like, that was the mission.

I feel like language doesn't matter.

Language doesn't matter at that I was like, we'll figure it out. Like, body language.

Yeah.

So I wasn't trying to like date. I really just wanted the experience of putting myself out there while I was abroad. Like, fuck it, why not? I'm single, I'm 21, I want to get the full experience. Let's meet some people. But I was by no means like thinking that I was gonna find a partner or like someone that I would be with long term at all. So that was kind of crazy. And our first date was awful. It was so bad. Like, we could barely communicate with each other. He was like trying to understand what I was saying. His English was so bad. Like, we were like— he picked me up at one point and threw me over his shoulder and like pretended to put me in a trash can.

Oh my God.

And it was just like, like we were trying to be like cheeky and bantery, but we like, yeah, the language just like couldn't do it. So it was bad. And then he dropped me off at my host family's house, and when we pulled up, he just was like, ciao. And I just opened the door and I got out. And so I was like, we're never gonna— we're never gonna see each other again because he thinks I'm an idiot, probably. Um, because we had been like messaging for a while before that, but when you're typing or texting in another language, it's so much easier to like think more carefully about your responses or like double-check it in Google Translate.

The translator.

I know. I'm like, oh, he probably thinks I'm so dumb. Like, he probably thought I was like so much like better at Spanish than I actually was. And so I just told my friends, I was like, I'm glad that I went, that I pushed myself, that I had the experience, but like, we're never talking again.

Yeah. How did you feel like when you got out of the car? Were you like low-key in love or were you like, that didn't go so well?

No, no, no, no, no, no. There— I caught no feelings on that first date. I thought he was very cute and like charming. Yeah. But I also felt like an idiot the whole time. So I was like, oh, like, like it's just natural that we're not going to talk again, you know what I mean? Like, he probably sees nothing in me. This would be like really hard and weird to like do this again. So it was just like moving on.

Oh my God. Meanwhile, that's literally the love of your life.

Yeah. How crazy is that?

That is actually like so crazy, you know, especially with like the language barrier and like all things going wrong at the beginning. So then where did things take a turn?

Learned. Yeah. So a couple— I think it was actually the next day I went to London and I met up with some of my friends from college who were all studying abroad at the same time, but they were in different places. And so we met in London and I was telling them about the date because I had been texting them, you know, like, oh my God, this guy on Tinder, he's so hot. And I was like, it was so bad, you guys. Like, I felt like an idiot. Like, we're definitely not talking again, but like, glad I went, yada yada. And then we're on the London Eye and I get a message from him and I'm like, you guys, he just texted me.

Like, what?

He's like, ciao. Yeah, he was just like, I hope you're having fun in London. Like, when are you going to be back in Madrid? I want to see you again. And I was like, excuse me, sir.

Wow. What?

What do you want to see of me? Yeah.

You're like, why?

Literally in my head, I'm like, why? But so then we messaged a little bit back and forth, and then when I got back to Madrid, he was like, let's meet up. And so we went on a second date, and the second date was a little bit better, and we kissed and we were like feeling it. And then the third date was even better, and then we like hooked up and it was like very like the energy just kept flowing. And then we just got to know each other over the next like 3 months. We would go on dates like a couple of times a week and it was just, we just run around the city together. Like he showed me so much of Madrid. He would like take me out. We'd be like walking through the streets, like with open wine bottles, just drinking and laughing and talking and—

Like a movie.

Yeah, it was like Lizzie McGuire movie in real life.

And at this point you hadn't started your business, right?

No, no, no, no. So I was 21. I still had a year left in college at the time. I thought, you know, when I graduate, I'll go into PR, I'll get some sort of like communications or marketing job. No signs of like entrepreneurship at all on the horizon. I was at that time, I was like, I'm going to move to Chicago and be like a corporate girl.

It's so funny, isn't it? Like looking back at what your dreams were like before entrepreneurship even existed. Because I mean, I didn't even know that coaching was a thing until I got on TikTok one day and I saw someone that said like manifestation coach and I was like, what? Like I'd heard life coach before, but I was literally just making like random manifestation videos. And then the algorithm kind of just like pushed those people to me and I saw someone that said manifestation coach and I was like, the fuck is that? And that's kind of how I got introduced to it. But like before I had seen that, this dream of being a coach or like, I mean, I'd had my business before that, but even before that, like I was working at a rental car company and I'm like, I'm gonna be the area manager. Like, let's go. And that was like, let's go. That was like my goal.

No hate to any rental car area managers out there.

Yeah, but like, kind of, because it was terrible. Like, when I was working at that job, I remember like the thing I was striving for, like the promotion, was moving from my flagship location to the airport and like working the rental car thing at the airport. The airport people worked overnight. Like they would literally go in at like 7 p.m. and work until 4 in the morning. And that was the goal. That was like the thing I was working towards. And now I'm like, I would blow my brains out doing that again. But like at the time, that was literally— that was what I was striving for. Like, it's so weird to look back at what your dreams were before this whole like thing opened up for you.

That's why expanders are so important, like finding people that are doing shit that's inspiring to you because it's so true. Like you would just never know, like like, that is just proof of you can only dream as big as what you've seen be possible. And so until you see someone doing it, you have no context for it. So why would you be trying to do it yourself? Like, I remember the first time I saw someone say that they made $100,000 in a month coaching, and I was like, whoa, this has to be fake. Like, what the actual— Fuck. Like, that would be like such a goal to make $100,000 in a year. Like, are you kidding me? Literally, this bitch is making it in a month. Like, goodbye, deceased. But then I was like, and she's going to be my coach. And then in a year I built a six-figure business. I hired her as my coach and I figured it out.

Yeah, it's, it's so true. I mean, we hear like the phrases— I was talking about this with clients the other day, but there's like these overused phrases we hear all the time. One of them is like, get in the room, right? And we hear it all the time. And I think you kind of become numb to that advice because we hear it so often. But when you actually think about the importance of getting in the room, getting next to people that, like you said, are expanders and showing you what's possible, like it's one of the best pieces of advice that there is.

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Yeah, so true. It's one— it's like one of those things where it kind of falls on deaf ears, right? But when you really think about— I guess when I think about in my own journey the magnitude of what it's meant for me to get in the room, I'm like, yo, like, get in the room. And I know you feel this way too. You are like, You're like, literally stop making excuses. Like, shut up, just do it. Get in the room because it's— it changes everything. It's exactly what we're talking about. Like, you have no context for how big your life could be until you surround yourself with people who are already doing it and living it and they have the tools to help you get there, especially at the beginning.

And like, I think that's when people are the most scared to make an investment like in themselves. You know, when you're coming from corporate or like a regular job. And now you've entered this world where people are spending thousands of dollars on themselves and their businesses. It's like, what the heck is going on? And it's super intimidating and it's scary and it doesn't really make a lot of sense at the beginning. But I think at that point you are like a sponge or like Play-Doh. You can be morphed into literally anything. And if you take that advice seriously and you get in the room at the very beginning and you're expanded by people at the very beginning, I think you have less humps to like overcome, you know, whereas if you're taking the slow lane, you're not getting in the room, you're trying to do everything yourself. Like if, like you said, if you just fucking do it and figure out the rest later, like get in the room, put yourself in that situation, you get expanded like so much faster.

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I can't remember exactly what he was talking about, but Alex Hormozi was talking about something in, in relation to like his portfolio clients, you know, the, the businesses that he invests in and helps them grow and how the more that they do it without guidance and they may be really successful, they can get to like the— because he only works with people that are like like $3 to $10 million, I think. Yeah. So he's like, it'll take us way longer for someone who is further along but like hasn't had the right guidance because there's so many things to fix now. Like, you've gotten yourself to a certain level of success, but like you also shot yourself in the foot because you did it in a way that kind of fucked you over. And now you're like buried in this hole where it's like, this is the way that we have found to make money. And he's like, okay, but like there's a better way, but now we have to redo everything because like this is like bad.

Yeah.

And so he was kind of talking about how it like takes longer then, right?

I mean, think of like anything, like literally any kind of conditioning like that, like money mindset conditioning. You spend your whole life thinking something's one way and then it's like so hard to reverse those stories, fix your money mindset. Like it's the same thing once you get in business with like how you're operating, who you're getting next to, just like the way you're looking at everything. So it makes sense that that if you do things one way and you're not getting in the room and you're not listening really to what everybody's saying, like, it's going to be so much harder for you later.

Yeah, it's like childhood programming. If we could all have that, like, ideal mindset given to us from the beginning, we would be able to go so much faster because we wouldn't have to do all of the rewiring and reworking. And I think that's like— I'm not saying that's possible. I think we all are gonna ultimately, no matter what you teach your kids, there's going to be some sort of rewiring necessary. But it's like the same analogy of like, if it was all— if you started earlier doing the right things and putting the right things in your ears, you would go faster.

Yeah, I mean, I think back, so I'm just thinking now of like when I was at my mom's apartment and like you were coaching me. One of the things that you said that like really shifted everything was, we need to shift your minimum standard. Like, your minimum standard is so low. I was going for like $1K, $2K months, and I'm like, well, that's— in my head, that's the next step for me. So like, that, that makes sense. That's like the way that you would achieve a goal, right? I'm like, well, I've made this much, now let's like bump it up a little bit and make this much. And you were like, girl, no, like, we need to completely shift this. And you shifted it, and we started talking about the minimum amount of money that I should be making was $5,000. And to me, that was a stretch at the time, but like, being in conversation with you about it so much, it started to feel more normal. And I'm like, okay, it's only $5,000. Like Sam said, it's only $5,000. So like, it's only $5,000. And that became the minimum standard. And I had my first $10K month. So like, if I hadn't gotten in the room with you, if I hadn't heard a different perspective, if I hadn't said like, okay, fuck it, like, I'm just going to hire this girl and get in and start listening to how you were talking about things instead of trying to figure it all out on my own. Like, who knows how long that actually would have taken me? Because think of the progress that I was making. Week, I was like making $500 a month, going for $1,000, now going for $2,000, now I'm gonna try to go like a little bit higher than $2,000, instead of hearing your perspective of just like, no, we need to completely shift this.

Yeah, that was huge for you. I remember that you were like, oh my God, but it happened so quickly too, which was why you were like, wait, was it really that easy?

Yeah, it was like—

and I don't think, I don't think you ever went back after that? Like, it just kind of— it just kept growing from there.

I didn't, because the idea of having a minimum standard kept growing with me, and I kept like pushing myself. Like, okay, I did that so easily. Like, what's— what number can I go to next? Like, what's my next minimum standard now? Like, can I make $10,000 by minimum standard, even though it's double what that just was? But like, I did, you know. But it's— it was the way that I was thinking about it, and I think people people put these big amounts of money on a pedestal. And so like, no wonder you're always beneath it, you know? People are like, $100,000. You watch like game shows and shit, you know? You watch people on TV and they're like, you're gonna win $100,000, and it's this huge-ass thing. Like, it's no wonder people are always, or usually, beneath that amount, you know? Like, think bigger.

I know, I was thinking about this, like, because I like to watch some of those shows like Too Hot to Handle or like The Perfect Match or 50 grand, whatever. Yeah. And they give them like $100,000, but then they have to split it between the two. And I'm watching it now, obviously from my perspective, and I'm like, that is literally nothing. Like, clearly they're on the show not for the prize money because the prize money is like nothing. Yeah. But the world like conditions you. Like, if I were to watch that show growing up, like if it existed when I was a kid, I would be like, Holy shit, like $100,000. Like, the world conditions you to think like that is the biggest amount of money ever. And so then you put it on this pedestal where you're like, it feels like it should be impossible to make $100,000, right? And so then you create that reality for yourself where it is feeling impossible for you to make that amount of money.

Exactly.

I'm not sure, like, what the entire solution is to that. But I think once you start making better money for yourself, you really realize how much things are just made up and like how it's, it's weird. Like you almost become desensitized to numbers and sometimes it's a good thing because you're just— your energy with money is way less emotionally charged. Like you can just be way more neutral. But for some people it can be a dangerous thing where are just— numbers mean nothing to them. And so then they go balls to the walls until like bankruptcy because they're like, oh, fuck it, 10K, 20K, 100K, whatever.

Yeah.

So I think there's, there's a line there too.

Yeah, definitely. It's like, it's not even kids though, you know? Like, I think about $100,000 growing up, I'd be like, holy— like, eyes falling out of my head. But like, that's how adults are thinking, you know? And it's like, it's a weird concept to grasp when you are making more money and you're like, you start seeing it and you start seeing like the evidence of it and you realize like, wow, that, that was how I was thinking. And now you start seeing other people thinking like that and you almost like, one, you feel bad because it's like you have no idea. But I think talking about like how to fix it, I mean, for the people that can control it and the people that do have the self-awareness, like going back to getting in the room, getting next to people who are normalizing these amounts of money changed everything for me. Like getting next to people who are like, yeah, 100K a month, like, going for more, or $10K launch, like, no big deal, and they were just talking about it. I started desensitizing myself to those amounts of money, and it became so much more possible because I'm like, this bitch is doing it. Like, if she can do it, I can do it. We're basically doing the same thing. Like, I just need to start thinking about these amounts differently.

Yeah, yeah, I think that's a huge— that's what I was going to say too. Like, people that make that feel normal are like help you calibrate your own nervous system to not feeling so like mesmerized by those numbers or feeling like they're insane and really just feeling like they're normal and possible and doable. And lots of people are doing them.

Yeah, it's wild. I mean, like you said, when I came in here— in here meaning like getting into this industry— and I saw the amounts of money people were making, immediately my reaction was like, no fucking way. Like, there's no, there's no way these people are making entire salaries within a month, or like millions of dollars within a few months. Like, it just seems so out of the box and so unreal. And it's weird now because those numbers, like, even like a million dollars, right? Like, a million dollars to anyone is still a lot of money. Like, we can agree. But I still, like, I hear $1 million now and I'm like Like, I don't think of it like I used to because of the conversations that people are having around money right now.

Totally. It's fucked up. Like, my business is about to hit $1 million and I'm like, I don't even feel like— like, I wish I felt something different, but I'm like, cool, that's not that much money. Because it's not like there's $1 million in the bank account, you know, that's like sales accrued like over time. So it's, it's different. I mean, if I, if someone just injected a million dollars into my bank account, I think I would be like stoked, obviously. But yeah, it's crazy. And even, even when people talk about like, um, like investors and things in terms of what, what we need, especially as Americans, in order to retire with inflation, they'll tell you, you know, you are going to need at least like $3 to $5 million to retire in order for you to even just be able to live a middle-class, like, regular kind of lifestyle, right, to sustain that. So if you just think about that, it's like, okay, damn, like, we need to step up our game then.

Yeah, it's, it's like scary. It's scary when you think about numbers like that and like the mass majority of people world won't have that. Like, they just won't, you know. So you think about how many people are going to be fucked when it comes— like, if we're thinking about those numbers, it's like actually scary. So fire under your ass.

Which is why, like, there's a lot of parts of entrepreneurship that feel really unsafe because there's so much uncertainty and there's a lot of fluctuations in your income, and every month is never going to be the same. But at the same time, it's it's almost the only way for you to have true agency over how close you can get to that. Like, if you're not an entrepreneur, you can't just make your own prices and increase your rates and truly influence what you earn at any level, at any step of the way.

Yeah, totally. So I have this thing and like, obviously, you know, like the rich bitch theme I got going on, like with my brand. And I'm curious, like, how you feel about it with your business and things like that, because I have this standard for myself. And like, Lucian and I are pretty much on the same page about this. We're like, one of our biggest fears— and like, I used to be afraid to talk about this, if I'm being honest, because I thought people were going to be like, fuck this bitch, like, she thinks she's above everybody. Like, I had all these fears around it, but now I'm so like at home with this feeling because we talk about it so much. But like, it's this fear of mediocrity and like this fear of living like a super average life is like one of the things that drives me the most because I don't want that for myself. I don't want that like for my family, like that kind of thing. So that's like one of the reasons we honestly like work our ass off with what we're doing right now. So I'm curious, like, your take on that.

I think for me, like, if I think about the fear of mediocrity For me, it would be not as much— and not saying that you said this, but I think some people fear mediocrity from the sense of like, what is my life going to look like from the outside? And I don't want to look average. And for me, I'm just like, I just like nice things, you know what I mean? Like, I want my life to feel extraordinary. Like, I don't want— I don't want it to feel average. I don't want it to feel mediocre, right? And so I, I agree with you in that sense of like, I just like nice things. I like going to nice places. I like doing fun stuff. I like being able to pay for stuff without checking the price. I like having nice clothes. I just like nice stuff.

So yeah, I agree with you. I mean, when we say like fear of mediocrity, that's what we're talking about. We're talking about like the fear of like having to pay your bills and having like finance things over— overhanging over you and like that kind of way of living. Like we want to be in total, total abundance overflow and like the fear of not having that is kind of what we mean, you know. So it is a feeling, but I, I wanted to bring that kind of to the table because I low-key like know that about you. I know that you like the nice things too, and like I, I feel the same way. And it really like was a big thing for me to to start saying it more online and like bring rich bitch as like my core part of my brand because I do like the nice things. Like, I want to fly first class, I want nice things in my apartment, I want to be able to eat like top quality food and go out to nice dinners and things like that. So I just find it so interesting, like, the, the other side that kind of, kind of comes from that, like, people getting super defensive when you say that. So like, what's your take on where that comes from.

I think it's a— I mean, I think it's an ego response. If you feel like something is inaccessible to you or unavailable to you, or you feel like it's insensitive because it's been harder for you than it has for someone else, then you're going to feel triggered by that. You're going to feel triggered by seeing someone say with so much confidence and ease, like, I'm a rich bitch and I like nice things, or like, I just bought this designer bag, or, you know, flew first class to Rome. Like, that's going to be triggering for someone who has a desire to also do those things but is not allowing themselves to lean into it and find a way to get closer to it. And instead, maybe they're in a place where they're in a bit of like victim mentality of like, well, that's not possible for everyone, or that's not possible for me, or, you know, that's insensitive for you to talk about it because other people are struggling and have hard things going on. I think it's always important to remember that if you make yourself struggle more, that doesn't take away someone else's struggle. So, you know, from like for a person like you, it wouldn't make sense for you to like fly in economy if you have the means to fly in first class and you want to do it just because, oh, like other people can't. Can't do this. Like, you're— by you flying economy, you're not giving anyone the opportunity to fly first class. Like, so what, the things that you worked for you're not allowed to enjoy now because other people don't have the same experience? Um, I don't really think so, right?

Yeah, that totally makes sense. I've just been met with so much resistance with people, which I was expecting. And like, I have thick skin, I don't really give a shit, but I'm saying it more for people that have a desire for these things and they like want to talk about this in their business and they want to be open about the things that they desire and like desire for wealth. I mean, that's the whole theme of like Rich Bitch Academy, right? It's like I want to create a space for people to come in and talk about like, I want to be rich as fuck, like I want this extraordinary life, I want these things. But I've been met with ridiculous amount of hate from people. And that's how I see it. I see it as like it's an ego thing, it's a it's like a sensitive thing if you think that it's not possible for you, that kind of stuff.

Where do you— is that like on TikTok? Is it like on social media?

Yeah, TikTok, Instagram. I get like DMs, like people hitting up my DMs saying like the most ridiculous things almost all the time. Like I've gotten, you're the Antichrist, like you, you're what's wrong with America. Like I get it almost daily, like people just really triggered by the brand that I'm kind of like putting out there. So it's been interesting.

Yeah. Oh my God. But I feel like that's going to happen any time that you are being your most authentic self or, or telling the truth of your experience and your desires in any way. So there could be people listening to this that maybe don't identify with that, but when they start showing up online in their most authentic way, there's going to be people that don't like it.

It's like you're never going to be able to make everybody happy.

And then on the flip side of that is because you're so firm in what you want and claiming it, there's, I'm sure, so many people that have been way more magnetized to you because of it. Oh yeah. Like, oh, finally, like, finally someone who's just like saying it like it is and being honest and like, yes, I want that stuff too. Like, teach me, help me. And so you get to then help those people and you're not meant to help everybody. Like, one single person on this earth cannot serve everybody. And so that's your niche. Woman who's going to be really inspired by you, who's going to be really expanded by you, and you get to help her. And everyone else, they can find their mentor that feels most aligned for them. Like, it doesn't have to be you, you know. I think money is always going to trigger people, like, whatever the conversation is when it's about money. And I always try to recognize, like, in all of my free classes that I do, that that I don't really know who's gonna come to them. A lot of people are followers, so they know me, but there's always the chance that there's new people in your audience that have never done something with you before, and they come to like a free class of some kind. And so when I do have free classes, I always— if I'm talking about, you know, business or my success or how I hit this goal, I always make sure to share my recognition of all of the forms of privilege that I have because I am aware of those things. I know that I'm white. I know that I fit the beauty standard. I know that I'm thin. I know that I grew up in America. I know that I grew up in a home with two loving parents who supported me. I know that I had access to education. I know all of that stuff. And I know for sure it definitely contributed to me being able to do what I did in my 20s as a young woman, you know. So I'm fully aware of those things, as I'm sure you are as well. And it's just, it's unrealistic for people to think that we are going to be able to caveat that in every single piece of content that we share, because short-form content is short-form for a reason. And there's not going to be a giant disclaimer, right? Just so you know, I'm also a good person and I recognize this, that, and the other thing, and I respect you for this. And if you don't feel the same way, that's okay. And like, I'm not going to do that in every single piece of content and neither are you. So I think it really comes down to, you know, knowing yourself, having your values, making sure the people that are in your world and in your audience or your clients, like they know who you are and that's all you can really do. And there's always going to be people on the internet that don't get the full picture and they just jump right to judgment.

Yeah, totally. I mean, I've felt a huge sense of like freedom and relief in my content when I stop trying to put disclaimers on everything because like in every caption I would make like a bold statement that felt super powerful to me and I'm like, this is what I want to say. Like I would put it out there and then like a few lines down it would be like, but don't get it the wrong way, or like don't get it twisted or whatever. And I would put a disclaimer on everything and eventually I was like, this is— it feels like it's defeating the purpose of what I'm real— of like the punchline that I'm really trying to get out there, the message that I really want want to send. And when I stopped putting those disclaimers on it, yes, I got more hate comments or like more people DMing me or whatever, but like you said, I got the flip side of people who are like, they felt empowered by those words, or like they felt empowered by the message that I was sending, and they didn't care if the disclaimer was there or not because like what I was trying to get across actually got across.

Yeah, they felt the, the power of it. They were activated by it. They were like, yes, Yes. Yeah. The, the disclaimer is just kind of like water things down from a marketing advertising standpoint, from being your fullest. Like, it's like, imagine if you wanted to be a comedian and after every joke you were like, but no offense, in case, blah blah blah, like, I don't mean it in that— like, it wouldn't be funny. Yeah. Like, it just wouldn't land. So it's the same thing. Or if you were like, you know, I'm just a really happy, joyful person and I want to be my authentic self and share that with people. Maybe you're silly, maybe you're goofy, maybe you dance in public and you start doing that. But then after every time that you have like a dancing video or a silly moment, you're like, but also, you guys, like, sometimes I cry and sometimes I'm sad. Like, why? Why? It totally ruins the moment of the energy that you were trying to give.

Exactly. Oh my God, I, I really like this conversation because it's one of my favorite things to work on with clients is like digging and finding out like, what do you actually want to say? You know, like that to me is the rich bitch identity. It's like, let's stop giving a fuck about the disclaimers about like who's going to say what and what comments are going to come and who's going to disagree with you and who's going to think it's offensive or like whatever. And just fucking say it and like getting down to that message and removing that need for the the disclaimers, because for me, like, the disclaimer theme, the disclaimers on posts, like, comes from fear, you know? Like, it's a— it has nothing to do with what you actually want to say. It's your fear of what other people are going to think about what you're saying.

Yeah. And it allows you to be more well-liked, and what you're sacrificing by being more well-liked is any level of magnetism for the people that would really want to work with Yeah, totally.

Okay, question, and I just— I want to hear your take on it because I have two answers for this. Does money buy happiness?

I think so. Like, I, I teach it in the way that money doesn't buy happiness is a, is a limiting belief when it comes to money, because most people, when they have been taught or when they have said themselves themselves, money doesn't buy happiness, it comes from a place of wanting to have more money and then cushioning that or trying to make themselves feel better by going, but money doesn't buy happiness, so it's about these other things, right? So what you're doing most of the time with that statement is you're trying to make yourself feel better about the fact that you desire something that you think that you can't and so what you're perpetuating by saying money doesn't buy happiness is that I'm not going to have a lot of money, so I would rather believe that my happiness doesn't depend on that. But you, you do want more money because everybody wants more money because money is the currency of our world. Like, that's just what it— you literally can't even survive in the world today without money. You need money to have shelter, water, food. Like, it's not a desire, it's not an extra. It's literally a fucking necessity. Yeah, you need it. And everybody on some level does desire more of that holy resource because it allows you to do so much more, whether it's for yourself or for other people in need or for your family. So I think most of the time we're lying to ourselves when we use the phrase money doesn't buy happiness. What I'll add to that is that I think money is a magnifying glass in the sense that whatever you are, you're going to become more of it the richer that you get. So if you are, you know, a greedy, power-hungry, narcissistic person, then you're probably going to do bad stuff with your wealth, and you're going to become more of what you were before you had access to the money. So in that way, if you are addicted or depressed or a narcissist or whatever, I don't think adding more money to that equation is going to make you now a happy, healthy individual. That's not what I'm thinking about when I say like, yeah, I do think that money can buy happiness, but I think there's, you know, money gives you the ability to have— I think Chris Harder talks about it in this way. It gives you the ability to have more 10 moments in your life. Like he talks about evaluating the moments in your life on a scale of 1 to 10. And a lot of those 1 moments are like when someone needs your help and you wish that you could write them a check or provide them with something and you can't and you feel awful about that, or your car breaks down and you have no way to fix it, or you hate your living situation, but there's no other option because you're strapped for cash. Like, those are all one moments, and all of those one moments could be turned into 10 if you had more money. So money gives you the opportunity to have more 10 moments, which then allows you to have just more moments of peace and ease and less moments of stress and worry and frustration. It doesn't mean that your life is fixed or that you're happy forever because of money. Not at all. But it just means you have more of those 10 moments.

Yeah.

Wow.

I love that. I've never heard that before. That's like such a cool way to look at it because I see it from two different angles, right? I see the angle of like money doesn't buy happiness in terms of like love, right? Or like feeling towards each other. But then I feel like you can also add to that and see that having more money in a relationship is alleviating problems, right? It's alleviating like most commonly— most common problems like in relationships. So I think that contributes to it. I think it's like a multi-faced answer, but my answer to it directly is always yes. Like when people say, does money buy happiness? I'm like, I'm like, yes, and, and, yeah, exactly.

Like, I have more— more of a conversation. Yeah, totally. Well, I mean, money is the number one reason for divorce.

Exactly.

So when you think about, okay, what ruins love, statistically, most of the time it's money. And that's because you have way more one moments when you're in a marriage where there is so much stress stress and pressure on both of you because of the financial situation. And so then rather than approaching life as a team and being able to have fun together and do good things and just feel safe and at ease, you turn against each other and you're arguing constantly. And why did you buy that? Or that was so expensive. Or what are we gonna do about that? Who's gonna buy the diapers? So yeah, I mean, love and money are definitely connected in that way for sure too.

Yeah, I see that. And on just the most basic level, like you said, shelter, food, like place to live, insurance, all like basic necessities, all comes down to having money. So like I see people saying, oh, money doesn't buy happiness, money doesn't buy happiness, and I see it as a defense kind of mechanism.

Yeah, exactly what I said. I think most people that are saying that that is because deep down they would desire to have more money, but they feel that it's not available to them. And so they're trying to make themselves feel better about that by saying, oh, but it's okay because money doesn't buy happiness.

Yeah. And I'm like, money also bought my trip to Italy. So like, I have to argue that as well.

And you're like, and that was peak happiness. So I don't know what you guys are talking about.

I don't know what you're talking about because I use money. I'm like thinking about all the things. I'm like, money gets my nails done. Money. I'm like, that makes me pretty fucking happy.

Literally 10 moments.

Those are my 10 moments. Like, I, I have those, and every single one of them, I'm like, well, I couldn't have done that for free, so.

Totally. Wow.

Okay, awesome. I love this whole conversation. I think it's really important, honestly. Like, on, on a more serious note, I think people need to think about money in terms of security and in terms of freedom, and not necessarily on the other side of like, rich people suck, and like, rich people are the bane of our existence, and they're evil and they're greedy. Because like you said, it just makes you more of who you are. I think about it like in our relationship, and I'm— you can relate to this too because you said you were a teacher, right?

You said— yeah, I was. I mean, I don't have a degree in teaching, but when I moved to Spain, I was an English assistant in the schools Not making a lot, I can assume. No, girl, we made like around $1,000 a month and then more than half of that was like just my rent.

Oh my God, that's crazy. But I see it in like relationship-wise, right? Like with you and Jaime, me and Lucian, like as we've made more money, it's amplified the love in our relationship. Like we have gotten closer with the more success we've had because is the opportunities have grown. So it's like we can do the things that we want, we can go experience life together, we can do more things together and not necessarily worry about like, oh, we can't go to that concert or we can't go do the thing that we want to do because money is in the way, right? So like with that not being such a problem, our relationship has grown too. So like I see that connection with love and money too, just like very directly.

Yeah. And I think that really comes down to eliminating a lot of the stressors of a relationship. Like, it's not the one event that you went to that was like, oh, we're so much closer now. We love each other so much more because we went to a concert. It's like the fact that you can do things with each other and for each other without adding stress to the equation. That's what makes it easier to just sink into the love bubble because there's not this like looming cloud of like stress and worry of how am I going to pay the bills?

Yeah, definitely. Do you guys want to get married?

Yeah. Oh, we're getting married. Fully. I fully expect the proposal, everything. We'll probably— we, we talk about it a lot. We'll probably have like a really small wedding, which is funny because like when I was growing up, I pictured like— I guess it's just that was conditioning of like what everyone tells you, like big wedding, whatever. Yeah. I'm like, no, you must be like like my best friend in order to be there.

Yeah, that's how I feel too. I don't know, like, about size-wise. I mean, I want to have a bougie as fuck wedding, but like, size doesn't matter in this case. Like, size doesn't matter. Okay, you're like, correction, correction, in terms of the wedding, the guest list. But yeah, like, size, big big wedding isn't really like what I'm looking for. I'm looking for more like the memory of it, like the experience of it, things that like matter most to us. But yeah, I'm like sitting here aging, waiting for my ring.

Aging. Honestly, Lucian, if you are such a Wolf of Wall Street, where's the fucking ring?

Okay, let's see the proof. I like lowkey give him shit all the time. But I think, you know what I think?

You know what I think, which you can probably relate to, is similar scenario that we're in. First of all, we have never been in a hurry to like get married until like maybe this year. I'm like, you know, I am going to be 30 in December.

I used to though. I used to be the bitch that was like, I want to be married and have kids and like, what are you waiting for? We've been together for 2 years. I'm like, blah, blah, blah. And now 6 years later, I'm like, think, take your time.

Yeah, I think it's because you— well, the four of us, like, our relationships both, I think, are very career-focused in this moment right now. So it's like, there's not a lot of pressure to be like, let's do it right away or right now. I also recognize, I'm like, if I had to plan a wedding right now, like, see you later. Like, I have shit to do in my business. Like, I don't have time for that. And also, what I was going to say is I think like Lucian and Jaime are both in the place of wanting to really like figure their shit out and like come into their own in terms of like career and entrepreneurship and real estate so they can settle into that feeling of like, I'm good, I'm solid, I'm locked in. Like, I think that's a real thing. Like Jaime told me, he's like, I want to feel like steady in my career before I get down on one knee. Like, yeah, I think it's a, it's an emotional thing for them to be like, I feel like I am I can now promise you to be like the provider. And so I think that's a phase that they're both in separately and just in general, like, we're all kind of like career focused right now.

Yeah, we've had that conversation. Like, I've, I've like, I joke with him. I like to push it. Like, sometimes, like, I see, I don't know, like a proposal video or like someone talking about marriage and I like side-eye him and I'm like, oh, like, must be nice, but lowkey, I'm like, I'm not in a rush. I used to be in a rush, but I also think— and I will add to that— that was part of me being insecure and like, got to lock this down, like, got to get this man, got to lock him in. But now it's like, I'm, I'm so comfortable in our relationship and so, like, secure with him that I'm not in a rush, like, whatsoever, you know, like, I can, I can wait until he feels secure and ready and like, and like, I also don't want to pressure him. Like, I don't want to be the— in real life, I don't want to be the bitch that's like, propose to me, you know? Like, I want him to do it when he's ready, when he wants to, and when he's excited about it.

Yeah, I think that's the difference too, is like feeling safe and secure in your relationship where it's not, oh my God, like, is he ever going to choose me? Is he going to get serious about this relationship? Like, that's not what's happening. It's like we're both very serious about the relationship. We know we're going to to get married. Like, we know we're going to be together for life. It's just like a timing thing. So yeah, I'm in the same kind of place as you of like, all right, it's just like when it feels best. Like, but it's not a question of like, oh, is he never gonna ask me? Is he never— like, no, like, we know.

Yeah, it's locked down. Like, we've got it locked down. We're off the market. But like, you're like, he says you want to put it right in. Yeah. He knows.

He knows what's good for him.

Yeah. I'm like, babe, I can take care of you. I'll be the provider. No, but hopefully soon. I think we're getting there. How long have you guys been together? 8 years. Okay, so we're 6. So you first.

Oh, we also met when we were 21. So I feel like, yeah, if we were to— if we were to have met when we were like 25 and then we were together for 8 years, It might be a little bit different, but the first like 4 or 5 years of our relationship, we were both like children, like in internships, like hadn't even graduated college yet.

Oh yeah, we were in college too when we met. Like crazy people, like not, not ready. Those years I don't think count towards like serious relationship, you know, like since living together and like really choosing each other, I can say is where I see it like really starting. But yeah, we're getting there.

Yeah, no, slowly, slowly but surely.

We are getting—

we're giving so much hope to all the girls out there that like really want to get engaged. We're like, 8 years, 6 years.

Titanic. I'm like, it's been 84 years, you're fine. She's like, I've been together 2 years. I'm like, shut up.

Literally, we're like, calm down, sis, you don't even know.

Yeah, I don't even know what it's sounding like. Okay, but it's fine. Like, I'm fine waiting. And then secretly I'm like, fuck.

You're like, I'm not even in a rush.

Okay, make myself feel a little bit better.

Yeah, that's what we tell ourselves, literally.

So, okay, so what's, what's looking forward for you besides, besides engagement? No, I'm just kidding. What is what are like your goals right now and what are you working towards?

So I'm about to hit my million— my first million dollars in business, which is really exciting. So that's kind of my— just the, the goal that I've been working towards this year of knowing that it's possible and that it's coming and just kind of like seeing that on the track and continuing to kind of do all the things in business that'll move the needle, um, to get us there. So there's that. The podcast has also gotten so big recently. We have crossed over a million downloads at this point. So, and so that's come into focus as like a new kind of focal point of the business and just kind of trying to really capitalize on all of the success and cool things that we're doing on the podcast and putting out more content. Video and short form and, yeah, just kind of upleveling that. So there's that. And I think I had my Saturn return last year, and it was the year that I moved back to the US, bought a house, finally was growing roots and trying to feel grounded. And so I think moving forward, my goal is to finally like enjoy where I am in life because there's been so much transition and upheaval and stress and new responsibilities. And I just want to like feel like I'm settling into everything that I've created. Like, yeah, okay, we're like on solid ground.

Yeah, yeah, it's like such a nice feeling. You have to celebrate the million though.

I know, I don't know what I'm gonna do.

You have to. Like, I'm all for, like, the chill vibes of, like, yeah, like, I made $1 million and, like, I'm happy and at peace.

But, like, if you don't celebrate that, you know, I got to think of something. I know I got to think of something and it can't be boring.

Yeah.

When, when we did $1 million on the podcast, I got a cake and we did like a little— but it was literally just me and Jaime. I'm like, you have to take pictures of me. And it was like hot as fuck. And I'm sweating on the beach with this cake, like, trying to shield it from the sand. Like, the pictures look really cute, but like, the experience of it was not like, oh my God, Instagram versus reality. Totally. So I feel like I should have my own— like, I want to actually like celebrate the million dollars. You have—

you literally have to. I would be mad if you didn't. Like, it's a million.

I need to like go out in Miami or something.

Yeah, you need to like— you actually need to celebrate. You need to do something like kind of wild.

I know. The thing is, I don't know when it's gonna exactly happen. I mean, obviously we can track it, But yeah, literally the other day I made a mistake. I was like doing numbers and I was like, I think I missed it.

Wow. I literally calculated and I was like, I'm like, babe, we already did it.

And then I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. No, no, no, no, no. I like, I miscalculated something and I was like, okay, fine.

That would be like the most rich bitch thing. That would be the most rich bitch thing ever.

Like, I fully expect that. I fully expect that to happen because I'm not like checking it on the daily. I don't want to be like obsessed with it. So it just comes to mind sometimes and I'm like, oh, you You know, it's been like a couple of months. We've had some significant launches. Like, let me check in. And I literally did that the other day and I was like, I think I missed it, but I didn't. It's fine.

Okay. I'm sure you'll update all of us, but you need to— you need to think of something really cool to celebrate that for yourself.

And now I got to get a brain. So now I feel pressure.

I'm like, we're watching.

You're like, is this going to pass the Rich Bitch test?

Yeah, literally. But a million is such a big deal. So I'm going to be the first to congratulate you, even though it hasn't happened yet. Coming along soon, um, and we'll be awaiting to see how you celebrate that.

Oh, okay. You have to help me think of some good ideas because I feel like you're good at the bougie stuff.

I will buy a house in Lake Como. Yeah, I'm like, that's it, that's it.

Oh my God, I wish. I think we need a lot more than a million for that.

Literally. Last question, Samantha Daly Samantha Smith. I thought your actual last name was Daly for like, I think up until yesterday. Not actually, but like, not actually, but it took me a while to like figure out that that wasn't your last name. So like, where did that come from? But like my Zoom name, I'm like, what is your name?

Surely you knew when we were working together that my Zoom name is—

I did.

No, but a lot of people, a lot of people do think that my name is Samantha Daly. Yeah. Which is funny. Um, yeah, it started because before I ever had a business, I wanted to like blog. And it started when I studied abroad, and it was called something else when I was studying abroad. It was like Airline— Airlines and Tan Lines or something cheesy, something like that. I can't— yeah, I can't remember what it was. This is like circa 2015. Okay, give break. Um, but then when I got back and I got into more like mindset stuff and like health foods and smoothies and like all the stuff that was very like 2016, 2017, I was like, oh, I'm gonna like put this on my blog and like talk about mindset stuff and travel and like food and things like that. And I would have just done like my name, like Samantha samanthasmith.com, but I feel like one, I don't, I don't know, it just doesn't have a ring to it. Like Samantha Smith, like it's just like, come on, it didn't have a ring to it. And you are never gonna find that name available on anything. Like that's always been the challenge for me with having such like a common name. There's no handles on any social media, no emails, like nothing can ever be just your actual name. Yeah. And so I had to get creative and I was like, all right, It's going to be like daily inspiration and recipes and mindset tips and stuff like that. So it was like Samantha Daily, and that's how it started.

Cool. I didn't know for a while. Like, I figured it out eventually when we were like working together because I saw like, I think on an invoice or something, but I was like, what? What's Jaime's last name?

Lopez. Like, we have like the most classic—

I was going to say, so are you going to change into some like really super uncommon name? You're like, nah.

No, no. And also, like Spanish tradition, you like, you don't take your husband's name. Like, it doesn't really— how it works is like the kids. So the, the man and the woman, they both maintain their names. And then if you have children together, they get both of your last names.

Oh, wow.

So they would be like— and the father's last name usually comes first and then it's the mom. So it would literally be like Lopez. Which is literally cringe.

Like, oh my gosh, that's so funny.

Okay, bad.

And can I make you feel better though?

Yeah.

When I was working at the animal hospital, like a few years ago, I had a client who came in like regularly with her dog and she was getting married. And I remember like being saying like, I love your ring. Like, when's the wedding? Talking about it. And she always had this like weird vibe, like when we would talk about the wedding and I never really knew why. And then it came up in conversation, the name of her husband, like the name she's going to be taking.

Was it like Butz? Was it like—

Are you ready? This might be— I don't know. The last name of her husband that she was taking was Shrek. She had like a totally normal, like, I don't remember what it was, something very like normal American standard name.

We'll say like Williams or something.

Williams, yeah, like something like that. And she was like— I remember when she told me, and not even like— she wasn't even laughing, so it was so awkward because I have like a nervous laugh and that's fucking hilarious. So I was like, oh my God. And she had almost like tears in her eyes talking about it. And she's like, I like don't know what to do. Like, I'm married, he's like the love of my life, and his last name is Shrek. And it was like S-C-H-R-E-K, so it It doesn't spell like the movie, but still, like, the bitch's name is Shrek.

You know, there's so many people that aren't taking names anymore. I talked to a bunch of my friends recently when we were like at a wedding or something, and they were like, I haven't changed my name yet. I haven't changed mine. Like, and everyone's like, it's literally such a pain in the ass. Like, I just don't think I'm ever going to do it. And I think it's like less common now.

Yeah, I think it is. I mean, I'm taking it.

I feel like I worked for that. Yeah. 6 years.

I've been waiting 6 years. No, I think Lucian would, like, lowkey be offended if I didn't. And he has a nice name, so I'm cool with it.

Okay, that's good. Jaime, like, doesn't want me to take his name because he thinks it's weird because, like, in his culture you just don't do that.

He's like, that's fucking weird.

So I'm like, the more—

and I used to be like, wait, no, like, I want to take my man's name.

Like, yeah, I like— that feels so nice to me. But now I'm like, you know what? Now that I think about it, everything that has my name on it, all the business stuff, like all the, all the insurances, the house, like keep your fucking name.

I don't need—

yeah, I don't need any more administrative work.

That's so funny. And like, I have a secret. I've been kind of waiting because like, you know how I have the Social Manifesto, right? That's like the LLC and stuff. I don't really use it that much anymore because I've been using— I just like, I'm Dev, like I tell you my name. But I haven't changed anything on like the business front, branding, LLC, any of that, because I know I'm gonna take his name. So I'm like, I'm gonna just hold out with the Social Manifesto and like, I have a feeling we're getting married like relatively soon and I'll just change it then.

Perfect.

Yeah.

You don't want to change that shit twice, I'll tell you.

No. So I'm just going to wait. Yeah, like, I support— Dev Della Fera sounds nice. Oh, that's cute. Yeah, it's cute. So like, that's why I was like, I can see that being like a cool, like, cool coach name. I'm going to wait and I'll change out my branding when I get married.

Married. Perfect.

We love it. Another reason to go.

Yeah, you're like, um, there's some legal stuff that needs to be sorted out, so can you like hurry the fuck up?

Oh yeah, this is bigger than just you. Oh, awesome. Sam, thank you so much. I'm gonna drop your— all your stuff in the show notes, where to find you and anything like that. Any last words to leave us with?

I don't think so. Oh my I, I can't pull something super motivational out of my butt right now. I'm so sorry to everyone.

I love you.