Episode 10: Microdosing 101 with Walter Masaracchio

Ha. Mr. Walter, thank you for joining me today. What's your last name?

Masaracio.

One more time.

Masaracho.

Masarakio. Did I say it right? Okay, cool.

Look at this.

Happy you're here. Appreciate you taking the time to sit down, chat. Yeah, yeah. So Walter is a fairly new friend. We met earlier this year here in Nosara. He's a fellow expat who decided to leave your homeland of Italy and move here to Nosara, Costa Rica. And I'm excited to have this conversation with you, to have you share your story, your journey, and the path that you're on, and also learn more about you. Because often during these conversations, I learned so much about my friends, even though I've known some for 10, 15 years. When we sit down and talk, it's like, oh, really? I didn't know that. So, looking forward to discovering you and sharing your journey. So you've been here in Nozada for how long now?

It's been, like, about nine months.

Nine months?

Yeah.

Okay. Why Nosara? What brought you here?

Why Nozada? That's a great question. So for some reason, I was living, like, in a place. It's called Madeira. It's, like, impossible. It's like a beautiful island. One of the best places I've been in my life.

Okay.

But it was lacking the humuity.

Okay.

And I said that I would love to live in a place where actually I'm able to meet people that are inspiring me daily. And for some reason, I felt this huge intuition to come to Costa Rica, and I didn't even know where to go, because I just knew Costa Rica, but I didn't know where. There were lots of options, but I didn't know where. So then my mind logically said, okay, let's go to Tamarindo. It seems to be, like, an easy place to go, and there are people there for sure. What happened? They booked this Airbnb for. For Tamarindo, and for some reason got canceled.

Okay.

Okay.

And then universe intervening totally. Yeah.

And then I just had two days left, and I couldn't find anything available. The only places I could find available was actually in Austin, Alzara. And I just book it for 10 days. So then didn't choose to come to Nozara. It's kind of the divine brought me here.

Nice.

And then, like, I fell in love completely with this place, with the people, with the nature and with the lifestyle and with the food and everything. And I said, okay, I'm gonna be here for as long as I want. That's pretty much how I came here. I did not choose to do that. I didn't know anyone here. I just. Just. I was surrendering to the divine and here I am now.

And you, being the friendly, outgoing man that you are, I'm sure you made lots of friends real quick. And you and I met at the Elemental Rhythm Breathwork teacher training. We had connected before that on Instagram. We had started following each other, and you were very open and inviting to reach out and connect. And we met and we did the teacher training together over the weekend. And you shared something during that weekend when we were speaking that really resonated with me. And in that moment, I felt a connection to you and knew that you were someone I wanted to get to know better. And we exchanged stories of what it was like growing up, dealing with being bullied, getting picked on, and it's not feeling loved and accepted. And you shared with me that you were once resistant to reaching out to other men to develop a connection, develop a relationship. You were hesitant because of what you had been through in your childhood years, being bullied and getting picked on and dealing with that type of negative behavior. And that really resonated for me because I also dealt with racism, bullying, not feeling like I fit in. And for many years, I stayed away from associating, hanging out with large groups of men, even though I had some dear male friends, it was more like small groups. So I never played team sports. I never liked putting myself in a position where I had to be picked or chosen to be in a group. I would avoid putting myself in a situation where I would have to be chosen to be a part of a group because I didn't want to feel that I might be rejected. And we share that in common. Yet I found it so surprising when you told me because you're so loving and outgoing and open, and really, you were very kind and welcoming to a new friendship with myself. So, you know, I'm curious to know, like, what did you go through and what experience did you have to overcome to have that shift? Because for me, I recently had a big breakthrough in that, in attending the men's initiation retreat just over about a month ago. You know, I was able to overcome that resistance and the fear I had of being with other men and really allowing and inviting in true brotherhood. So I'm curious to know, like, what was it that created that shift for you and what's helped you to overcome that trauma or that experience that you had when you were young?

So when I was younger, as you just Mentioned I did not develop a really nice relationship with the masculine also, because from where I come from, from the culture, there is this idea that a man has to be in a spec specific way. And so for some reason also genetically speaking, like, I was always like a really small guy and not really big. And so I was like one of the first targets to actually being abused.

Okay.

And so then I've been abused at school. I've been abused actually also in my family, a little bit from my brother. And of course, you know, it was not intentional, but of course, like, this was the way we were brought up. And so it just happened. And what was really bad for me is that actually, like, I understood that I couldn't grow as much anymore as a human being. And so then I started to develop, you know, some kind of narcissistic traits myself to kind of defend myself from all of these people, like, picking up on me. And so then I had to become like an asshole myself to kind of overcome this environment. And so that's pretty much what happened, like, during the high school. And so then how everything started is that then I realized there was some dark patterns towards me, some shadows that I didn't want to deal with anymore because it was not serving me, it was not serving the planet, it wasn't serving other people. And I said, I want to do something about it. So I said, go very deep into personal development. Spirituality, books, self help, you name it. And then, you know, I went into a plateau where I felt, okay, I'm growing, I'm healing, but still heal. I was struggling with one specific thing, which was about, you know, being constantly friend zoned from women.

Ah, okay, okay.

And then I said, wow, what's happening here? Why is this happening at times? And then I could see a part in a clear pattern. I did not have any male friends. I only have female friends.

Okay, okay.

And so of course, like, how can I show up as a man if I'm not even hanging out with men? And so then I've solved these little signs that can. There's something really, some wounded masculinity within me that is not allowing me to connect with guys. And so then, you know, as you know, I came in Osara and get to know, like, one of the best men in my life here. And I felt really inspired. Some of them, you might know, maybe, you know, Kyle, they all met Gio, I met also Trevor. All of these people that I met here, they completely changed my view of men and relationships. And so then little by little, I started to actually create new connection with. With men, to the men groups. I said to develop more my masculinity, to show up more as a man, and of course, like, understanding these patterns and to not repeat them again. And so now I am in a situation where I love to be with men and I love to have guys friends. And now, of course, it changed the whole thing also when it comes to women and. And this kind of situation, because that was not exactly how I want to show up, how I want to express experience, life. And now I know I can hold space and be like a real man for guys and for women. So that's exactly how I went through. I'm sure you might resonate with this.

Yeah, absolutely. You know, I totally get it when you share that you had to become an asshole to protect yourself. And I went through my asshole stage of putting it in everyone's face. Look at my car, look at my clothes, look at my girlfriend, you know, look at my fancy life on Facebook and Instagram. And I needed to show the world, like, fuck you, I am good enough. Not only am I good enough, I'm better than you, and I don't need you. And, you know, I remember my business partner Ralph used to tell me, bro, just be nice to people. Like, listen to them. Don't just be like, shaking your head, like, oh, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah. Because I had so much resentment and anger for all the years that I felt like I wasn't good enough and that people wouldn't choose me, that it was like, well, I'm just gonna show you that I'm better than you. And then I won't even acknowledge you, and I won't even ask you for your help, and I won't even try to include you. You know, when it's the exact opposite of what I wanted, you know, like, I just wanted to feel that love and feel that community and. And just be able to not have to pretend all the time. And often when I'm working with clients remotely, males, entrepreneurs who are going through their big shifts, I let them know that there are communities out there. There are groups of men, whether the online or in person, that you can connect with that will hold space for you. Because to be able to be with men and know that they're here to listen to you, they're here to support you, not judge, just hold space really allows you to have that, the courage to be open and vulnerable. And that's something you do a lot of. Like, in your posts, you share what's very real for you. You Share what's going on. And it's beautiful and it's inspiring because that's how we lead by example. That's how we show other people that, hey, it's okay to open up and share what's really going on. And of course, you know, you have to use your discernment because there's such thing as oversharing. However, you know, for me, tapping into my vulnerability and being able to just let people know what's really going on behind the perfectly curated Instagram feed is what allows people to connect with you and also helps them to have the courage to also open up and share. And I think that's what's really important, because, you know, when we've gotten to a point where we've done the work and we are at a place where we can see that, okay, I have this way of being. I'm doing these things that really aren't serving me, and I now have this new awareness and I'm working on. Feels good to share that with other people, because, like you said, you meet people now. You meet other men who are where you were a year ago.

Yeah.

You know, and. And, yeah, they could possibly have that. Call it awakening or have that realization themself that you don't need to operate this way anymore. And it's in sharing stories and being real and vulnerable that other people can connect to what it is you've gone through. I'd be like, yeah, you know what? Me too. I'm feeling that also. So I acknowledge you for being so vulnerable and real with your story, and that's what drew me to you as well. Because, you know, even though we didn't know each other very well, you were very open and you just shared from the heart, and I could feel that, you know, so thank you for that.

Yeah. Also, I think, like, vulnerability is, like, one of the most powerful weapon that we have. Absolutely. When it comes to connection, when it comes to being real, that's. That's powerful, actually, for sure. Not actually a weakness.

Yeah. And that's. You know, often we hold back from being. Being vulnerable. And because we don't want to be truly seen, we don't want someone to actually look in the corners of the shadows, to see those parts of us that we want to hide from the world. But, you know, the first step in healing what's in the shadows is to shine light on it, and we can shine light on those parts by simply speaking about it and knowing that it's okay. We all have parts of us that we're not proud of or parts of us that we think are broken or need to be fixed. And that's okay. That's a journey of life, right? Yeah. So I'm happy that you're doing the work. I'm happy that, you know, we're. We're walking this path together. And, you know, I'm super curious about your journey and what brought you to the work that you do, because what you do is of great interest to me, and it's what a lot of people who follow me on social media have asked about, because I speak openly about psilocybin. Ayahuasca plant medicine has been instrumental in my growth, and I'm no expert on it. I had my fair share of experiences. However, you are someone who is, I would say, almost an expert, pretty knowledgeable on plant medicine, especially celestial psilocybin. So how did you. How did you develop this practice or this process that you have of teaching people how to microdose psilocybin? And. Yeah, what. How did that evolve in your life? What impact did psilocybin have on you that inspired you to now share this medicine with people?

Yeah. So I'm gonna tell you from the beginning, please, what happened, because. So when I was really young, because much like I used, was using lots of drugs and lots of alcohol from the age of 13, 14 till 20, 21, then actually had a beautiful experience. It is called El Camino de Santiago. It's like a walk of 800 kilometers.

Ah, okay. I've heard of this.

Like a religious walk, but you can do this.

Like a pilgrimage. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Beautiful.

And basically, like, by the end of this experience, I decided, do you want to do any more drugs in my life? No more alcohol, no more cigarettes, as, like, being sober af. And so what happened is that I stuck that. But for some reason, psychedelics were coming to me. Articles, books, and people talking about it. And then actually, at some point, I was reading a book, so I was really into flow states. And there's a book called Stealing Fire.

Yeah. Stephen Kotler.

Correct. And so this book was talking about psychedelics. I said, why? If this guy is talking about psychedelics and he's like, nailing it in life, like, with the flow states, I really want to know what he's talking about. So they took me a while to kind of, like, understand how to go through that. And then basically, like, I decided to actually microdose by. By myself, on my own and literally see how. How would that work at the end, at the beginning, I didn't know what I was doing. I was just taking things and see how I felt, how I wasn't, and let's say pretty much good experience, but not as excellent. But then I started to actually be like, very unnerved and like, take notes and, and experiment and things like that. And then experiment at the beginning with the lsd. And I've done this properly, like really like for eight months and taking data and trying different doses, different activities. And that completely transformed my business and my, my beliefs and my. And who I am. Pretty much how I show up in.

The world through microdosing lsd.

So microdosing LSD at the beginning? Yeah.

I'm curious to know about that because I've. I've only done LSD once in Tofino, and I microdosed it with some mushrooms. And LSD has a really bad rap. A lot of people think you're gonna do acid and jump out your 10th story window and die. So can you tell me a little bit about how do you microdose LSD and why would somebody want to do that?

Yeah. So first of all, let me tell you that LSD has this bad connotation because of what happened in 1760, like with Ellipti, Mutilere and Das. You know, basically what happened that LSD was legal. Like they found it and everyone was taking it. And then of course, lots of people had amazing experiences. They said to start this beautiful movement, like the feminist movement, the environment movement. They stopped the war in Vietnam. So that's kind of like these kind of things triggered during these moments where people were starting to take lsd. But at the same time, you know, the government didn't like it. And so they said to create literally ads, campaign on how bad is actually lsd. And so let's say everyone in the us, in Canada, and let's say in the Western world has been conditioned with the idea that LSD is very bad. So they have lots of beliefs about it already. So people are gonna get installed with that. You're gonna go crazy. You're gonna be psychotic.

Yeah, it's gonna, like damage your brain. You're never gonna come back off of a trip. And. And I'm a perfect example of someone who has been indoctrinated to believe that. Yeah, you take lsd, you're going to fry your brain and you're going to be, you know, out to lunch the rest of your life. Clearly, it's not the case.

Yeah, My opinion is so untrue because if you use this properly with the right set and setting, like what is the only downside of lsd? There is no one doing ceremonies with it, if you think about it. But if you do ceremonies with that, people, people have the exact transformation experience people have with ayahuasca and with psilocybin. Nothing more, nothing less. I just feel for some people they might, may, may be more inclined to. For that and some people less. However, LSD is mostly used for parties. People go to raves, people go to festivals and they use that. And of course, you know, this is not something you want to take with lots of people. With people that might trigger you traumas and things like that, you're still tripping as much as you're tripping with psilocybin. And so that's why people don't have this, this positive experience, because they don't take it consciously.

Got it.

They don't nail the second setting. They don't really attack. They don't take the right dose. They smoke weed with it, you know. Oh, yeah, that's, that's toxic.

Yeah.

And my opinion, let's say recreationally speaking, my way is to do MDMA and LSD together.

You've done that?

Yeah, yeah. The best. Excuse me.

That sounds powerful. Yeah, yeah. And just, you know, to your point about people using LSD as a party drug, mdma, otherwise known as ecstasy, you know, big party drug for last 20, 30 years. And MDMA is now being used to treat PTSD.

Yeah.

MDMA is in stage three clinical trials for mental health therapy, which is incredible. So I'm sure it won't be too long until LSD is also. The perspective is shifted around that. And one of the books I have over there on my bookshelf is how to Change youe Mind by Michael Pollan. And it talks about how MDMA and psilocybin back in the 50s were being used for mental health therapy, relationship counseling, you know, it was being used for many different. It was being used in many positive applications to help people. And then it got out into the party scene and people realized, oh, wow, they could have some really fun nights out on acid. And I'm super curious to learn more about it. Especially like, how much do you take. If you're microdosing lsd, how do you take it? Because it's a liquid, but then some people apply it to paper. Yeah. So can you share a little bit about that?

Yeah, I will do for you a small microdosing LSD101.

Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Okay.

I'm actually. Oh, so you're gonna give me a one on one course right now. Okay.

Boom.

Let's go. All right.

This is like what I love about lsd. It's very easy to do that.

Okay.

It's much easier than psilocybin. First you can table it easily, literally can travel with LSD without problems at the end. It's just a piece of paper.

Not that you would ever do that, but just saying.

Let's say if you wanna keep, you know, educating yourself.

Yeah.

While we are somewhere else, you can do that easily.

Okay?

So by the way, so the way you do that, that usually you might take some paper. So first of all, make sure that the LLSD is proper. LSD. First, first thing first, make sure that you test it or that you buy it somewhere where actually is already coming from the laboratories. And there are many actually places called like chemical. Chemical researches.

Okay.

So basically you can buy those chemicals and they are like based, not kind of legal. For example LSD, there is a compound called 1P LSD.

Okay.

They changed a few molecules is the exact same. But it's kind of legal, okay. None for human consumptions, which means you can purchase it completely legally and then you can use it for experiments.

Okay.

Maybe with your rats or with your dog or whoever. And you can be on a. You'd say, okay, okay. So this is I guess the best way. So usually when you take this from this laboratory, it's super high quality best way. So this is the first step.

Now you buy that online.

You can buy this online, okay. It's only two to replace it is completely legal, which is the US and the uk, okay. But you can purchase this everywhere in the world.

Okay.

Easily. So then the first step is this, the second step is basically to take some kind of liquid which is like either distilled water or vodka, okay. So that you can keep the quality of LSD without actually getting wasted. So then what you will do then you take under the microgram of a sheet and you put it into the, into the, into the, in the liquids which is either distilled water or vodka. And for example, you put 10 ML of vodka there and then you put a sheet of LSD which contains 100 micrograms. This equals 1 milliliter equal to 10 micrograms, which is a microdose already.

Okay.

And for me a microdose is between 5 to 15. You can go also 20 almost to go to a museum dose.

Okay. Now is it in liquid form at this point? Point, because it's. You dissolve the sheet of paper into the bottle of water or Vodka. And then you take it out with what like a dropper?

I usually take like a syringe. So you can be like a super.

Right? Yeah.

Because the drop picture you don't know much.

Right? Yeah, true.

Usually like 12 drops is, I think no, 20 drop is like 1 milliliter for what I know. So but anyway I prefer to use the syringe so. Because I like to be very scientific.

Sure.

And collect data.

Makes sense. Okay. So you draw out the desired amount with the syringe and then you just mix it in with your smoothie.

No, you can just, just easily got it. I usually like to take this on an empty stomach and keep it like this for like 3 or 4 hours.

Now with microdosing LSD, how often do you take it? How long does it last? Are you seeing pink elephants around the room? Like what, what goes on? Because I like I said I'm very inexperience with lsd. I'm actually saving my big LSD experience for Burning man in a couple of months. Yeah.

So you managed to go there?

Yeah, I'm going to Burning Man. Yeah. I don't have a ticket yet. If anybody has a ticket, hit me up. I need a ticket. I've got an RV and I've got a camp and I don't have a ticket. Let me know I'm ready. So yeah, I'm going to Burning man again. I've been twice before and somebody said to me LSD was built for burn or made for Burning Man. Like you know, like it's the perfect environment with the art and the lights and you know, the creative environment. So I'm saving my big trip for that. But anyways, side note, back to microdosing. So what, how often do you take it and what impact is it going to have on you?

Yeah, great question. So LSD compared to psilocybin do it less. It has a more, more of an impact in your brain potentially. So then I will do it twice a week max and I will do it every third day.

Okay.

So you do one day on and two days off.

Okay.

At least. And then you pretty much dose again. So when it comes to the filling like literally like it's sub perceptual microdosing. So you're not supposed to feel it. If you feel it, that's not a microdose, that's something else.

Okay.

So then it's free. You're not supposed to feel feel it. But usually where you feel with lsd I feel like more energetic, more creative, more into flow states I feel like less in a chatter in my mind and I also feel like more connected with my feelings.

Okay.

And so also when I, when it comes to comparing, let's say LSD and psilocybin, I see LSD more as a tool of doing, more as a tool for the external world.

Okay.

For example, people like in Silicon Valley, they microdose with lsd.

Okay.

Because they want to get more creative, they don't want to solve problems.

That's more useful. Interesting thing.

Compared to let's say psilocybin, which is.

More like more creative, more so would you say like microdosing it? Psilocybin kind of allows you to tap more into your feminine energy, whereas LSD maybe has you more in your masculine energy, more in your doingness as opposed.

I wouldn't say so. I would say that like, for me, like the best thing is to say like microdosing with C. Psilocybin is more a being thing.

Okay.

It's about being okay. While psilocybin is about doing. And also I will say that psilocybin is more for internal experience, while LSD is more for external. But I think both of them, they can bring you the masculine, the feminine because you can still dance and feel connected and it's very feminine.

Okay.

Still be very vulnerable as you in during the day and witness and be more empowering towards people. Simple as still lsd.

Yeah.

Even if you're more productive so you.

Can microdose LSD and go to work.

Yeah. That's exactly what you use it for.

Interesting.

Okay. Yeah.

Wow.

If you need to be productive and you don't have any kind of distractions, you want to micro dose with lsd, not with psilocybin will disrupt, in my opinion, this productive flows.

That's really interesting. So thank you for sharing that and definitely sparks my curiosity to. To experience microdosing lsd.

Maybe I can give you the opportunity if you want.

I appreciate that. Yes, I would like that. So in regards to microdosing, psilocybin, because it's something that I've done off and on for years, it's something that I've recommended to friends and clients who may be dealing with depression or anxiety, microdosing is something that is gaining popularity. You know, it seems that psilocybin has. The public perception of psilocybin has shifted now that, you know, it is being used in therapeutic context and it's become legalized in some states in the US and may even be legalized in Canada soon. There's actually A retreat center facility called Dimensions that I've invested into in Canada. And they're going to be hosting psilocybin focused or retreats supported with the plant medicine in Jamaica and ultimately in Canada. And they're in the process of being legalized and certified and receiving the, I guess you call it the certification to be able to serve. So hopefully there'll be that. There'll be that breakthrough in Canada and already in the U.S. hopefully other parts of the U.S. where people realize that, okay, the old stories of what magic mushrooms would do to you aren't valid. They're not relevant. And that psilocybin, when used in a therapeutic context, can have really, really powerful results. I know psychotherapists who use psychedelics in their sessions and they say that a client can experience years worth of therapy in a matter of weeks when integrating psilocybin into their psychotherapy sessions. So can you share about the process of microdosing lsd? First off, how would somebody do it? How often would they do it? What could they expect from experience? And even not just how often they should do, but also how long they should do it. Because I have my own thoughts and ideas about that. But again, I'm not the expert, you are. So yeah, please share.

Of course. Like I would say that before to actually start to microdose you, to understand what is your intention? What is your intention? Like, do you actually want to be more productive or do you want to overcome your mental health issues? You know, because that's important to understand and address. So if you're already doing fine with your mental health, which is, thanks God, you know, it's a good state, maybe LSD is a better option. You might not need this extra feeling better because you feel great, but maybe you're starting with procrastination. We're starting taking action. Creativity is the best option in my opinion.

So, so you're saying that LSD actually helps with procrastination.

Correct.

Oh, that's, that's good to know.

While you know, because actually what I see is like you're very sensitive to the world. Like why are you laying down all day in the sofa? This kind of question arise, why am I pleasing other people? Why am I not actually living my dream life? This kind of question I usually ask every time I m for LSD and then I like, oh, I need to do something about it. That's the. And then of course, if you're starting with mental health, maybe anxiety or depression or idhd seems lsd, that seems l to do a Better work. And so then it's different intention. So first of all, understanding what is your intention, then when it comes to lsd, you are doing twice a week, every other day. Psilocybin. No, every one day on and two days off, like two times a week. You see, what I would suggest is to do one time you do it fully working. So you choose the day to focus on your business or focus on whatever you're working on, like brainstorming or whatever. And then on a day, take it easy, take it nice, go on the beach, go for a walk. But same intention on reflecting about how can you optimize, say your business life or your lifestyle or generally your connection with people, just brainstorming your idea. Psilocybin, you can do it more often as soon as you combine with other kind of supplements. So psilocybin can do it up to four, up to five times a week.

Okay.

And because again, it's more helpful for people who have depression because let's say if you have depression might not work twice a week, you might do it more often because you want to have this kind of gluten in it a bit more often.

Okay.

So then you do it four times a week, five times a week, and you combine it with other supplements. While I love to combine psilocybin is with lion's mane, with cordyceps.

Okay.

And niacina.

Oh, nice. Okay.

So putting this kind of stock, it's great. I know there are lots of company out there that actually create these tax already for you. With many others, maybe you can put also ashwagandha.

And I think, correct, you can create.

Your own one, which you create. You create all of these beautiful medicinal mushrooms in one, which I think is very powerful. However, like if you want to do it on your own, it's very time consuming. It's not easy because you need pretty much the mushrooms, you need the coffee grinder, you can cut the capsule machines, the capsules, you need to keep them, keep them too long, like in the capsules. So it's a bit of a.

They lose their potency. Yeah, Correct. Okay. Yeah.

Okay. So then I think it's best to be efficient to actually find a company you trust and that you connected with, with the mission and then purchase it from them. I know a few companies that we can link them in there.

Yeah, perfect.

In the description.

Yeah, that'll be helpful because that's what I get asked often is, okay, this microdosing thing sounds great. Where do I get them? You know, and there seems to be More and more companies popping up that are offering microdose capsules with, as you mentioned, many different formulas. Like if you want focus, if you want less stress, if you want more energy, there's these different blends that would provide those results for people. And it seems to be a bit of a gray market right now where it's not fully legal, but it's also, I guess, well, if it's not fully legal, it is kind of illegal. However, there are mail order companies that you can buy online and they ship them to, to you within 24 hours. And you've got fresh, healthy microdose capsules delivered right to your door. So, yeah, if you have any links, please share those. And in Canada, there are quite a few companies that are providing these capsules as well. So, yeah, we'll share that down below. So if you're interested, you can check it out and Mr. Walter will give you the microdosing 101 breakdown. Yeah, so you're taking them four to five times a week.

Yeah.

And how many milligrams of the psilocybin itself?

So unfortunately, the thing that with these companies that you purchase it is already there. It's the same dose, which is a bit challenging because you want to test different doses and see which one works best for you. Okay, so let's say then, you know, you can take one or two capsules, but then the kind of sideways you're gonna take, you're gonna take in the same time even more Cordyceps or Leon's man, which I don't know if it's a good idea.

Now I know there are different companies that some have 100 milligrams of psilocybin with Lion's Mane and Chaga Re Sheer, whatever. Then some have 125, 150. I've even seen some microdoses that have 200 milligrams of psilocybin. Now when I do 200 milligrams of psilocYbin, I actually, I feel it. Like, I feel it to a point where it's not productive for me to work. Yeah, so what? And I know obviously height, size, weight, all of that plays a part, especially if you're taking with food or taking on an empty stomach. But you know, for myself, I'm about 180 pounds. I like to say I'm five foot ten, but, you know, I find that if I take any more than 125mg, I actually will feel it. I don't feel it. So that's kind of the sweet spot for me. And I break it up with two days on and two days off and continue like that because I also don't want to build up the tolerance to it because I find that if I did do it four or five days in a row, I would need to start doing more to get to that. That place.

Yeah, yeah. It has to do with the dose as well. So, yeah, I have the same feeling like you. Like when you take a bit too. Too much, you definitely feel it and it's not productive. So you want to find those. That is aligning this. Why, like these account downsides of buying those medicines from, you know, this company. Because then you're going to stick with what, whatever you have. Because for some people, maybe even 50 is the right dose. 15 milligrams. Yeah, you said the under 25. Some people, 50 is the sweet because.

They'Re sensitive to it.

So you won't be able to do that. Even these capsules.

Yeah. And to anybody watching or listening who's interested in finding out what works for you, there are different companies that offer different dosages. So buy from the different ones, play around, see how it works. Or even buy a capsule that has 125mg and break that capsule in half and just do half at a time. Try that out to see what that feels like. Right. And just, yeah, finding that sweet spot that works for you. Because, yeah, if you pass that threshold where it's not a microdose anymore and now you're actually starting to feel it, it could make you tired, could make you a little. Could make you hallucinate a little bit, you know, And I think that's what probably stops most people from trying microdosing, because they did mushrooms once in high school or at some college party and they started seeing pink elephants dancing around and like, oh, my God, I can't take mushrooms in the morning. How am I going to go to work? How am I going to, like, drive my car? And I remember I was speaking to a girlfriend of mine who deals with some pretty serious anxiety at times, and I told her, like, you know, maybe you want to give microdosing a try. And her first thing was like, but. But, you know, how am I going to go to work? How am I going to function? And the key to understand the dosage that is suitable for you is that you should be able to fully function, if not anything, perform even better in a flow state because you're taking the right amount. So do you know if there's any formula or Like a ratio that people can figure out, like if they are male or female and of certain height or certain weight, what the recommended dosage is for them. Is there anything like that available?

There's nothing like that because it has to do mostly with your neurochemistry.

Okay, got it.

So there's nothing to do with the weight and everything like that. It could, but it's like a whole combination of things. Hormones, chemistry, weight, and then this is gonna play a big role.

Got it.

Like, I'm very sensitive. Usually I feel with little. For example, with me, I will sd like 7.5 micrograms is like a dose that I already feel it and it's already good for me.

Okay.

And under the micrograms, I think it's like the taste hard for me.

Okay.

For the psilocybin, so I would say for people to really try different doses, let's say I would. Psilocybin or 50, going 75, going 100, under 25. Until you feel it. When you feel it, you just go below that.

Okay.

That's kind of how you do behind you find a sweet spot. And then the same thing with LSD. Try 5, try 7.5, try 10, try 12, 13, 15, Mike. And see until you then pretty much feel it and then you can say, okay, stop, I go below.

Got it. Okay. And with microdosing psilocybin, how long can you do it for? Like, is it something you should do for a couple of months and stop. Can you go continuously? And again, I say this because I know there's a lot of people out there who deal with serious depression and anxiety, and microdosing can be super helpful for that. And for someone who's experiencing depression or anxiety and don't want to take meds that are going to numb them, having an all natural alternative is very appealing to them. However, how long can they take that for?

Yeah, so usually what I suggest is to do it for a month and see how you feel. Do you feel better, do you feel worst? Because you want to actually take it for at least one month consistently, which will be two to four times a week and see how you're feeling.

Okay.

Then after that, I would say to always take a break for like every month taking a week break or taking like a month off every two or three months to kind of like re. Stabilize the resistance as you were mentioning. And for how long? I would say, like for me, I think now I don't need. I don't need to microdose anymore. So you want to reach a Level where you don't need this to do this anymore.

Yeah.

So you don't want to still. Because I know actually lots of people who use this still as a coping mechanism.

Right, right.

Okay. You know, because still they say, yeah, it's useful, it's better, but then it still can be used just a coping mechanism.

Got it.

So you better not get this kind of relationship with it. You don't want to use it as. I need that, you know, feeling like, let me help, help me break through whatever is holding me back, whatever is getting me depression, and then let me go ahead without it. So I would say that technically the more you microdose the this, the less you need that. If you microdosing properly.

Okay.

If you're not microsing properly with the right intentions and with the right integration, you might microdose forever and not see an improvement. You see improvement in the day you microdose, but actually you want to see the real benefits of microdosing is when you're not microdosing.

Got it. Yeah. I'm glad you mentioned that because intention and integration, super important when utilizing plant medicine. And how would. What would be a best use practice, let's say, say for someone who. Let's say they are dealing with depression and anxiety and they're using microdosing as a way to kind of shift their mindset, what could they do in combination with the microdosing that would help them to have that breakthrough or that shift in their perspective that has them either living in the past depressive state or feeling in the anxious future state? You know, is there anything, activities, any practices, anything that you would suggest they could do that would complement the microdosing to help them get to a point where they don't need to microdose anymore?

Yeah. So what I really suggest, when people microdose, you should do different activities all the times. For example, one day you go and meditate and just sit with yourself for like three hours, five hours, no distractions or anything. What is coming up? Go and write it down. It's coming up insecurities, coming up fears. That's actually things are coming up as you take in the medicine, which is amazing. Sometimes you can numb them. We just pretend that it's not. It's there. So whenever those feelings comes, go and. And take notes. Another thing which I think is very awesome is like when it comes to performance and sports, you might could also go something like that. Maybe you go for a run, you go for a walkout and push yourself, yourself a little more.

Okay.

Because you know, at the end, you're blocking yourself with your mind, right? Your mind is blocking you at 30 or 40. But actually with the microdosing, you can feel that you can go more beyond that without actually. I mean, your body. Then what is amazing, in my opinion, has been like going social settings on microdosing. What is triggering you?

Okay.

What is about people that is like kind of feeling you like this way. So that's amazing. So go in different settings and then taking notes about what is triggering, triggering you, what makes you feel great. Because that's already the blueprint that you have.

Okay.

When the light and the shadows kicks in, and then pretty much journal and reflect and take some kind of actions towards that, because that's exactly how you use it. Use microdosing as a way to help you see what's triggering you. And then walking through that slowly so that then you can go back and it's not triggering you anymore.

Okay.

Just feel. It's okay when this happens. I feel connected with this. So that's kind of how I feel it. Like, it helps you and emphasize those triggers and emphasize parts of your life that you're neglecting. And then pretty much you go and walk with that.

Okay. So going within and letting whatever's there come up. And then that's, you know, great suggestions. And what I found to be super helpful is taking a day off my phone, microdosing, going for a hike in nature. You know, allowing myself to receive the frequency of, whether it be the jungle or the mountains, the ocean, you know, just being immersed in nature and out of the vibration of the city, the traffic, the concrete, and all of the, you know, elements that just are not of a high vibration, I would say. And, you know, when people have asked me, well, how does psilocybin work? Like, what is it that it does for you that has you shift your mindset? And psilocybin stimulates neuroplasticity. It allows our brains to be more malleable. It allows our first off, our consciousness to expand for us to see our life, see ourself from a different perspective. And from that new perspective, we can then have a. A new awareness of what's there. Like, when you talk about what's triggering you, what's creating that emotion for you. When we're looking at something from this angle, this is how we see it. And we have a way of responding now. We shift over this way, and also we see it from a different perspective. We're like, oh, it's actually not how I thought it was. And having that shift in awareness then allows us to develop a different perspective or thought on it, and that thought will create a different emotion for us. And what's super important to understand is when we get triggered, we usually have a default reaction. And that default reaction is so ingrained in us through our neural pathways, because that's how we've reacted to that. Let's say it's a person who says that thing that just always triggers you. You have that automatic default way of reacting to them. You're not consciously responding. You're emotionally reacting. And often it's automatic. It's coming from a deep wound that just keeps getting reinforced. Every time that person triggers you with the psilocybin, it allows you to see that person in a different way. And in seeing that person a different way, you now have a different reaction. Or you can choose to have a different response. Now, when you choose a different response, whether it be to a person or whether it be to cigarettes or whether it be to whatever habit or vice you no longer want to indulge in anymore, when you start choosing a different response time and time again, you're now creating a new neural pathway. You're now forming a new habit. And this is why psilocybin is so helpful when it comes to breaking habits, shifting beliefs, and creating a new story. Because not only does it support you from the conscious awareness standpoint, but it actually supports you in the biological neurological context of now. You can develop a new neural pathway that will provide a new result for you. And, you know, I like to use the analogy of, you know, a field. You know, there's, you know, here's where you are, and, you know, on the other side of the field is where you want to go. And if you cut through the grass enough times, you're gonna create a clear path. But, you know, maybe that journey isn't the journey that's for you, but it's a path that you form. So you get, you know, get triggered. You walk that path because it's what you know, because it's clear, and there it is. So it just becomes the automatic path. You look at the big field, all you see is that one path. You take it, even though you don't like that path. It's the only path you know, when you start to develop a new awareness and you can consciously choose a different response, you start taking a different path. And you start taking that new path enough times that you create a clear, easy to follow path that takes you to possibly a new destination. If that's Your intention. And what happens when you stop walking down a path in the grass? After a few weeks, the grass grows back and eventually that path disappears. That old path that wasn't aligned with where you want to go slowly fades away. And you now form a new solid path that has you going in the direction that you want in an alignment. And that's what psilocybin allows you to do. See your situation from a new perspective, developing a new awareness that has you now able to choose a new response. And you choose that new response enough times, it now becomes your default reaction. And that's how we break habits and develop new routines, new practices in our life. For example, like, you know, if somebody wants to get up, pretty practice meditation or breath work or journaling in any of these modalities. You know, we get up, we have a routine. You know, some people get up, check their cell phone, plug in their coffee machine, go to the bathroom, take a shower, scroll, drink coffee, check their messages, and that's their practice. And that leaves them feeling anxious and stressed. And that's not how they want to start their day. That's what they've been doing every day for the last 15 years. So it's what they know. Do you want to disrupt that pattern? Okay, if you do, then how are you gonna shift your awareness to now? Start choosing something that you know is more aligned with how you wanna start your day. And then it's about doing that over and over and over again. But where most people break down is they keep going back to that default routine. And this is where something like psilocybin can help because it disrupts how you start your day. It allows you to break that pattern because you're looking at your life from a new perspective, developing that new awareness. That's from my own experience of how psilocybin's benefited me with just expanding my awareness to allow me to make new choices that are more aligned with the life that I want to create. And which is why I feel it's such an important option for people to consider. Now, I'm not saying everybody should microdose or it's the end all, be all solution for people. However, it is one of these natural medicines that is available to us, that harmless, all natural, in my opinion. Much healthier than what the pharmacy will sell you and easy to use with really no negative side effects to it. So this is why I really want to have this conversation with you, to have you share your wisdom on how someone could microdose. You know, what the benefits of it are what the process is. And now I know you have courses, you have workshops and you even offer one to one in group coaching on how to microdose. And we'll put that information down below because I'm sure a lot of people who are watching or listening are like, wow, that's something I really want to try. And hopefully this will be the conversation that has them go from contemplation to taking action. And I know you also offer other courses in coaching. We were talking about that before we jumped on here. And I think it's super interesting this new form of, I guess topic of coaching that you're offering. And it's something that I went through the process experiencing organically. I'm sure you did as well. And it's going from being in a fixed location, living, you know, your current life, maybe working a job that you really don't love, to becoming nomadic and following a new path and really living a life of true freedom. So, you know, I would love for you to share more about this, this new offering that you're putting out there.

Yeah, absolutely. So I've been feeling that recently more and more people want to share their gifts. They know they have a deeper purpose, a deeper calling. And I think there are lots of people out there that want to do that. But for some reason they are holding themselves back because the people around them, they're like, oh this is too risky or like no one is doing around them. And then of course they feel self doubt or imposter syndrome or procrastination and they are not doing it. And at the same time I do know lots of people actually the world, lots of people like they, they already know lots of people will die with lots of regrets. Because one of the biggest things we wanted to create at the end is like I wanted to live a life true for myself, wanted to do the things that I wanted. Instead of, you know, getting your 20s and already being stuck in the job, being stuck in a marriage and then having kids and then pretty much surrendering to that. What I will say is that first fill up your cup first truly live the life you want and then build up whatever is needs to build up. So then I really, my calling is I want people to go in they that balance. I live the life as I wanted to live for myself. So I'm not saying that everyone have to do that, but whoever feels the calling and wants to travel the world. You want to be financially free and have your own business online and pretty much serve the world with your gifts like this is the best time to do it. Like, Instagram is giving you so much exposure organically, you don't have to pay for ads anymore. It's amazing. If you have a gift, you can easily share that. And so I feel that this is a really big potential for people and you can break through and break free from, you know, being stuck in a 9 to 5, which potentially for some people, it fits their purpose. Like my parents, they're happy with it. I'm not convincing my parents to do that. I know, I don't say I don't think everyone should do this, but if you truly are stuck in that place, in location and job, but you don't feel fulfilled, it's time to make a change and do something about it. Literally. Like, take some months off. Like, understanding what is your vision? What would you like to do? How do you want to help people? And then pretty much choose one of the different modalities that you might have either online or in person. Online would be one of the best ways because it requires way less investments. It's just a really low investment you need to make to create something online. You need to take a phone, an Instagram profile, or whatever.

So for someone who knows that there's something out there that is their true calling, they know that what they're currently doing isn't the life they want to live. What are the first kind of initial steps that if someone was to work with you, like, can you share a little bit about your process, about how you get someone to go from, you know, what they perceive to be safety and security, being in their city, doing their job, to possibly walking away from all that and taking that step into the unknown? What is that? Yeah, what kind of support do you provide them with?

So first of all, it's important to do a reality check. And how are you doing? How are you feeling right now in your life situation? Like, are you happy with the job? Are you happy with the family? Are you happy where you are? So then having a reality check. So once you understand how you're doing is good to have a vision, understanding. Well, how would you like your lifestyle to be? How would you like to actually live your life? What is your ideal job that you want to have? Because literally everything is possible for everyone as soon as we do the work, right? And so then understanding, like, reality track and then having a vision, then I'll say the next step would be to let go of any limiting beliefs that you have, because then we hold back ourselves with those limiting beliefs. Like, I'm not Now enough. Or like, I'm not worthy of this. Like, people are way more successful than me, but this is such a voice in our head because I started from scratch and. And I did that, and I think everyone started from scratch. And so I would say that there are so many limiting beliefs. We need to let go. There is important. What. One of the beautiful, actually components of my coaching is also content creation. I'm really passionate about content content creation because I think it's like, one of the best ways we can express ourselves and inspire other people through using the power of social media and the power of Internet. So then we're gonna understand exactly what kind of content you can create. Like, how can you create powerful content?

Oh, got it. So you even help them to kind of create their message.

Correct.

Create their content. Teaching them different ways to create video content, photos, and actually express themselves through social media. Exactly. Oh, that's. That's amazing.

Yeah.

Okay.

And of course, you're gonna walk through confidence. How can you radiate more confidence? Because at the end, like, you're gonna have to eject whatever you feel like in the videos. So you better, like, have a vision about what. What you want to do and then getting this confidence so that when you get on the camera, you're fully yourself, fully vulnerable. And then, of course, I love all about marketing, and I love exactly how to create your message, how to launch your product product, how to make sure that you convert your followers into clients so you can actually make a living with it.

Okay.

At the end, you're exchanging your potential with. With other people. And they. Because I think everyone in your life, everyone is an expert in something because at some ways, we overcame some problems ourselves. And so then I think we're already experts in something. Just because you don't have the qualification, because you don't have the university degree doesn't mean that you're not good at.

Yeah.

And I'm sure there are millions of people out there who were going through the same struggle, but they need society, they need the guidance. And so you can be one of them. Even if you're a zero client, you are your own client. You've been working on yourself. You've been overcoming this struggle, which could be anything. Could be you're a single mom or a single dad, you've been having a physical condition, or maybe you just built your business from scratch. You did that. You overcome that. So then you can already teach to any other people to go through that without the same struggle.

Yeah.

So this kind of what I feel like, everyone can do that.

Yeah, yeah. It's a beautiful process. Thank you for sharing that. And you know, I know that's something that you had to go through yourself, leaving Italy and, you know, discovering your own voice, creating content, finding these new modalities, and now building your business. And as you share your process, it really reinforced my belief and the process that I can see that I went through. When I knew it was time to leave the nightclub and restaurant industry after 25 years, I was like, the hell am I going to do now? You know, I've been doing that for so long and you know, I'm a high school dropout, you know, left school at a young age, started working nightlife at 18. You know, like you said, starting from scratch. I had to start from scratch to build my career. And then when I knew it was time to leave the hospitality and entertainment industry, it was time to start from scratch again. And I remember thinking to myself, well, okay, now what? You know, like, what am I going to create now? And as you suggested with your process, the first thing I thought about, well, what do I want my life to look like when I open my windows in the morning? What do I want to see? You know, I knew that I wanted to work where I want, when I want, with who I want. I wanted that freedom to be remote because having eight businesses open at the same time with 300 employees was very stressful and I didn't ever want to deal with that again. Plus I had multiple partners. So it's like I just want to be on my own. After 15 years of partnerships, I just want to be on my own. So I started with looking at the lifestyle and I knew I didn't want to deal with winter anymore. I want to live in a warm tropical climate. I want to wear T shirts and shorts all year round. I want to be nice and tanned. I don't want to deal with six months of winter. And lifestyle was the first thing that I really like, got clear on what I want my life to look like. And then I asked myself, what am I really passionate about? Like, what do I love so much that I would do it for free every day, that I would wake up jumping out of bed, can't wait to do whatever it is that I'm going to do. I said, okay, well I love travel, I love great food, I love fitness and adventure, I love personal development, I love meeting like minded people. So I was very clear on what I'm passionate about. And then, okay, I've been doing the nightlife, restaurant thing. For 25 years creating over 12 companies. What am I an expert in? What am I really, really good at that I've learned as a result of this amazing 25 year career? Okay, well, I'm an event planner. I'm a marketer, a brander. I know how to create content. I know how to tell stories and get people enrolled and excited. And those were my expertise that I wrote down. And then lastly, I looked at what impact do I want to make, you know, because owning restaurants, clubs and bars was fun, but I knew I had more to offer the world. So what impact do I want to make in the world now? And I knew that I love personal development and what had done for me and I want to share this with other people. So I thought the impact that would light me up, that would make me really feel truly fulfilled, is to help other people with their awakening journey, with their process, guiding them through the roller coaster ride of personal development. And I didn't know how I was going to do it, but I knew that's what I wanted to do. So when I looked at the lifestyle, my passion, my expertise and the impact I wanted to create, it was very clear that hosting retreats and exploring my love for travel and adventure and good food, while also creating unique experiences that get to teach people some of the exercises and modalities that have been helpful for me would be something that I would really, really, really love to do. And I knew it from the first time I hosted a retreat. I was like, this is it, this is what I'm doing. It was on that first retreat that I made the choice to close blowfish after 15 years because I knew, like, okay, this is where I want to put my time and energy. So very similar to your process of what you shared. It works. You're absolutely right, you know, and it's. And we all have our own calling. We all have our unique gift inside us. We all have that passion that can be our profession and we have expertise and skills that maybe we don't even see in ourselves. But we get asked the people around us, hey, what am I really good at? Like, your friends come to you for something, they ask you for your advice on something because you're really knowledgeable on that. Yeah, you don't need a certificate on the wall. Maybe you're just really good at it because you've got 10,000 hours in on that, you know, and you just need to know a little bit more than others in order to help guide them through the next few steps. Yeah, because we're always Learning along the way. I'm happy that you're helping guide people and supporting them on this journey because yeah, right now people are looking for a way out. People are looking to find their purpose, follow their passion, and they're looking to leave that 9 to 5 matrix model. So it's beautiful that you're sharing this with people now. And for those that want to learn more, we'll put the link down below. This is a course that you're offering that right now. Now is it one to one or is it a group course? How are you providing this?

So right now I'm in a better process because I've been doing mostly microdosing coach. But since like I've been talking three months on my own to reflect on my next step in my life and have this kind of intuition message from the divine telling me that I really need to help people who are like three steps behind me.

Okay.

Because I, I, I feel like I can be more efficient with that and they can actually resonate more with me.

Okay.

I said if someone want to live the lifestyle I'm living with the same way, like as, you know, like they can do that. So that's kind of like exactly what's happening. So it is a better process. So right now I'm like looking for five to six people. They know they want, they're stuck in a nine to five. They're stuck in a place that they don't like. They want to create content, they want to make a life for themselves. So we're going to work one on one with the them.

So perfect.

I'm gonna make a really reasonable price because this is better process. And so I'm gonna also make sure I get feedback from them. So you know, I'm gonna work with them. You know that I create this program like as in alignment as I can. And then after those I have this total number of people like I will pretty much then stop that. I will be running my seniorship program on my own.

Okay.

Once this will align perfectly.

Okay, beautiful. Yeah, that's good. Because I actually have a few clients who came on my last retreat who had that epiphany of they want to be nomadic, they want to be remote and possibly working in Costa Rica or somewhere else. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna make an introduction because I feel that what you have to offer them will be highly valuable. Yeah. So thank you for sharing that. Thank you for sharing your journey and your wisdom with all of us. I look forward to learning more from you about the LSD microdosing. And yeah, just thank you for your time. I'm glad we got a chance to sit down and chat today and, you know, for any of you that want to follow Walter, we'll put the Instagram, social media website, all links down below. And yeah, brother, thank you for the work you do. And as I said in the beginning of this conversation, I'm happy to be walking this path with you and thank you for your contribution and for being who you are.

Thank you for inviting me and thank you for the work that you're doing. I'm sure many men are gonna grow and they're gonna become, you know, the best version of themselves.

That's it.

And thank you for showing up for this. We need more of you here.

You need more leaders in the world. Together we rise up.

Yes, we do.

All right, my man. Thank you, brother.