George Bell Episode 11 Interviews with Dads.

All right, cool.

Why don't you start by, uh, introducing yourself? Tell people who you are, what you do, how many kids you got, marriage, all that jazz.

Uh, my name is George Bell. I'm originally from Steubenville, Ohio. I joined the military when I was 19 back in '98. So from there I moved from Ohio to North Carolina, where I, where I spent most of my career. I did like 3 years in Germany, um, so I retired from the military. I did like 20 years and some change. Once I got done with that, I started working for a company called Fieldcraft Survival up in Prescott, Arizona. So I moved from, um, Fayetteville, North Carolina, a lot, to Prescott, Arizona once I retired back in, uh, December 2018. And, uh, I'm running— I'm the, the chief of operations here, slash vice president, slash this, slash that. It's a small veteran-owned company, so we got— we wear many hats. Uh, so currently I have, uh, 2 daughters from a previous marriage, 12 and 6, and then I have a son that's 17 months old from my, uh— I, I got remarried and currently been remarried for about a couple years now. It's kind of where I'm at right now.

Thank you. Just got my drink. Oh yeah. Uh, what branch are you in?

I was in the Army. Uh, my job was, uh, psychological operations. I did, uh, my whole career was that. And, uh, it was torturing people.

What's that? Uh, no, I mean, what's psychological operations?

So we're more of like, um, we provide like— we're a voice of the commander or whoever we're supporting the battlefield. So we do a wide variety of, like, dissemination of information. So whether— whatever our message is, we try to persuade or try to change the behavior of our target audience to make them do what our overall SOP objective is. So if it's, you know, go out and vote, we do a series of products that will, you know, make people go vote. So it's billboards, TV stations, newspapers, radio, Anything. Yeah, this is within the military.

Yep.

Okay, so, uh, this isn't—

you're not creating content that goes out to the public, it's staying strictly within the branches?

Yeah, and we work with DOD, and then, you know, depending on what, uh, element we're working with, we'll have different, um, approval chains. So if you're working at an embassy, the approval for the products is going to be the ambassador, but at the same time, you have to run it up your, uh, your, like, commander side of it so they know what's going on, so they can brief it and track it.

Civilian talk, civilian talk, that's marketing and communication.

Yeah, basically it's, it's marketing, advertising.

It sounds so much more cooler the way you say it.

Yeah, so, uh, but yeah, I mean, when it comes down to it, it's just, it's just marketing, advertising, and, uh, just trying to change people's behaviors and try to get them to do what you want to do.

And you came, you went Straight school.

Yeah, I went— I did a year. So I, I graduated high school, I did a year of college, I went to Ohio Northern University. I had, uh, very big dreams of becoming a pharmacist, which didn't really work out well. I did a year of that and just didn't— wasn't for me. And then I enlisted in the military, and then I just did 20 years.

So, uh, did you flunk one of those core, core classes?

It was a lot. It just like I wish I could say I had a, like I partied and, you know, I didn't care, but I just didn't have that work ethic. That's the study ethics in high school to carry on to college. And when you have like biology, anatomy, calculus, chemistry, it was way over my head. But the funny thing was I got it. I got, I got an A in all my pharmacy classes. So go figure.

Oh really?

Yes. I had a lot of friends that for some reason were going into the pharmacy segment when I was at WVU. And same thing happened to them. So I guess in that program, like, you don't have the option to retake certain core classes that you fail. And they would, you know, they just couldn't do it their freshman year, either, either talent or what, or they just party too hard. And, uh, so they had to switch majors. Oh wow.

Yeah, I got lucky. Yeah, I was lucky. I got like right into the pharmacy college. I know some colleges you have to do like a couple years of pre-pharmacy and then you get in. But, uh, this one I got straight in and I just kind of— I, I was over my head and I should never have done it. But hey, you live and you learn, it happens.

Yeah, I think it all worked out well.

Oh yeah, sure did. I can't—

so you did, you did one year in school and then were you recruited, what, off, off, uh, off campus to go in?

Yeah, so, um, after call— after my first year, I went back home for the summer, um, and I figured I was like, I need to figure out what I'm going to do. So I did like a summer class, and I was just like, I'm just not feeling this. I want to work, I want to make money, I want to travel, I want to do something different. So I just called the recruiter up, went down, and then started the process of getting in. And, uh, I got in at the end of, uh, 2008. Yeah, 2008. So, and the rest is history.

Wait, 2008?

I think it was— no, how did you know? No, no, no, sorry, years of this year, 1998. I'm terrible.

Okay, that makes way more sense.

I feel like I tell my wife sometimes, I'm like, I can't remember like my late 20s, early 30s. I just have to like really like find a date and then pick pieces and put it together like where I was.

I struggle with my kids' names sometimes.

I do the same thing, much less birth dates.

Yeah, uh, where was I going with that? Um, how did you grow up? Do you have both parents in the house?

Yeah, I have both parents in the house. Um, my dad, uh, was blue collar. He was, uh, in the, in the local 809 Laborers Union. My mom, she's a nurse's aide. She works at a hosp— she works, uh, for hospice care. So she loves her job, man. She— it's like She's an angel. That's what we call her because it's just like she takes care of these people like with the utmost respect and just so nice to them. The families love her.

And this is a tough field.

Yeah, it's very tough. And she just has this like personality that just like eases everybody, just makes everybody feel good. So it's just like, it's nice. And then I have a younger brother. He's 2 years younger than me. I'm 41, um, and he's 2 years younger than me. So Yeah, we kind of grew up everyone in the same house.

There was no— were they all military, uh, decision?

No, I, uh, what's that?

Were they on board with the military decision?

Um, yeah, yeah, they were, because they really— I mean, my dad didn't want me living at home, and I really wanted to do something with my life, so they were all, all for it. They were proud. So, and then once, uh, 9/11 happened, then everyone got like nervous, so I I mean, it was obviously they're going to worry about their son, so.

Oh yeah, because you went in, I guess that would have been what, your fourth year? Yeah, pretty much.

Yeah.

Is that the reason you re-upped and made it a career?

Um, no, not necessarily. I think I was just at the point where I, when I, when it came to my, my re-enlistment time, I just was at a point where I was, um wanted more. I wanted to see what, what was out there. So I re-enlisted for like another 4 years and then another 6, and then you like re-enlist indefinitely on like your last sign-up. So I did that and I just kept— I liked what I was doing every time. I was going places, getting put into like different roles and responsibilities that I liked, and I traveled everywhere. So I just, I just kept with it, you know, grinded it out.

So I don't know if this falls into you, but I've noticed there's a lot of similarities with military. And military is obviously huge. There's lots of people, so there's different— seems like a lot of young guys go in the military, they get married right away. I'm not quite sure what causes that. A lot of divorce as well, and probably just quits. And then a lot of stupid financial decisions.

Yeah.

So give young kids a bunch of money, then they just do crazy stupid with it.

Yeah.

In my opinion, did that happen to you?

Yeah, in my opinion, you see it a lot. I mean, you see a lot of young guys come in, you know, they're, they're away from home. This may be their first time ever out of their hometown, you know. They're getting money and they got a bank account set up, so they go get a car payment, and then they go down and they get like the worst interest rate. They get like a 30% interest rate, and, or they get a loan for like new wheels and rims or tires and stuff, and just make very piss-poor decisions financially. And then I think the part of like people getting married too young, I just think sometimes, uh, the military gets a little boring sometimes. So, you know, you want to have that partner or that girlfriend. And then a lot of times, uh, people get married to get the, uh, extra money you get. So when you get married, you get a basic housing allowance and you get a basic— and then you get like, uh, food for like your, your incidentals, like your groceries and stuff like that. So And that's your—

they give you a little extra then.

Yeah, you get like, I think you get anywhere from, depending on where you're at, it goes by your zip code, uh, you can get up to like $1,700 a month for housing. And then I think the, the rate for— it's called BAS, it's like basic allowance for— I forget the S, but, um, it's like $250, $300. So you're getting like this extra money on top of your pay. So yeah, I mean, that's like Yeah. So I think a lot of people get married for that reason. And then for the divorce rate, I mean, it's kind of— you look at our deployment rate and then I know back in the mid-2000s you had the surge and you had guys in Iraq for 22 months straight. I mean, yeah, you get your mid-tour leave, which is like 14 days. That's going to stress up the relationship.

Yeah.

So that's going to stress your relationship out. And then just the training cycle sometimes. Um, just it's non-stop. So you're a lot of times, a lot of the, uh, you're not home and absent from, uh, the wife, and you know, stuff happens.

And I can see that. But plus, when you, when your foundation is, uh, you know, you rusted just to get a little extra money.

Oh yeah, it's not like you don't, you really get to like learn that person, like their little ins and outs or what makes them tick.

And yeah, and I'm assuming as soon as you get in the military Yeah, you're not home. All right, well, that makes sense. Yeah, I've noticed, like, you go to a base, that strip right outside the entrance of the base is just like nothing but entrapment financially. It's just all the stupid thing you can do right outside the base. Yep, that was funny.

Yes, it is. And it's like cheap and it's like high price. Hey, that's terrible.

Yeah. Uh, Married, uh, when did you get married, I guess, the first time around?

So my first time I got married, I was, I mean, I was, I think I was 20, 21. I was real young. Um, I got married.

You were one of them.

Yo, yeah, I was married. I got married in 2001, or no, 2000. And then, uh, we, we stayed together about 15 years, and then, then we end up getting divorced.

Oh, that's a long relationship.

Oh yeah, but The funny thing about it is like in the military we were so up and down with our deployment. So it was like a lot of times you didn't see that person or if I was gone. So we spent a lot of time apart.

I guess, yeah, because you were wartime.

Yeah, I was.

Yeah.

I mean, as soon as I basically got in, like 2 years later, 9/11 happened and then boom, I was— it was basically nonstop other than training missions and then just down or downtime we had.

So. 2 kids with that marriage, right?

Yep, I had 2 daughters with, with, uh, my first wife, and then, um, got divorced like 2015, and then did the whole, you know, single thing, dated here and there, had a girlfriend, um, you know, did the whole dating site stuff, and, uh, finally, uh, found, uh found someone that's like kind of— we just hit it off like first date. I mean, after the first date, I deleted the apps and just said, hey, let's just, let's do this again next week. And then, uh, it just— every weekend we just got together, and then it just blossomed into a sweet relationship, and we got married. It was great. It was—

we were both—

yeah, we're both a little older. I mean, I'm in my— I'm 41, she's in her late 30s. So we're like, let's just go get married. I mean, it was just, you know, I'm getting ready to retire, we're moving You know, I just— we knew it was the right time. And I mean, I don't need anyone's permission anymore, so I'm a grown-ass man. So, you know, I just married her and that's what we did.

So, so I never dated in the app world. I just, you know, when I was, you know, I was a teenager when I got married anyway. But, uh, there just weren't apps. That's the first time I've heard somebody say delete all the apps. I made it serious.

Yeah, exactly.

I never, I never thought about that before.

It was the— honestly like a different world. When I, uh, got divorced, became single, was a whole new world, you know what I mean? It was— I, you know, it was everything, you know, it was crazy. And then I was at a point where I was like, well, like, what do I do now? And then my buddy was like, get on this app here and, uh, you'll, you'll be cool, man, just go have fun. And I did that and it was, it was the weird— that it's a weird culture, the, uh, dating, online dating. Yeah, it was ridiculous most of the time, just ridiculous.

How old were your kids in 2015?

Uh, that was my, uh, my oldest was I think 7 or 8 at the time, and then my youngest was probably 2, maybe 2, 2 and a half, I think. Number 1, it's very young.

2-year-old probably doesn't affect us. My 7 or 8-year-old knows what's going on with Mom.

Oh yeah, that's kind of, uh, you know.

So the best thing about my divorce, if you handle that and try and keep it—

so the best thing about my divorce, we stayed like, we stayed good friends. Like, we're still friends to this day. Like, there's no animosity. Yeah, we might have our little, uh, disagreements here every once in a while on certain things, but, um, we try to keep it as mutual, uh, friendly as possible. We don't discuss anything in front of the kids. So once we decided to get the divorce, uh, it— you know, we talked to— I, I talked to my oldest daughter. I explained to her what was going on. And, you know, I, I think, you know, at the beginning it was kind of strange for her to like think about like, why isn't Mommy and Daddy together anymore? And, you know, I've never treated my kids to where I hid anything from them. I don't talk to my kids like uh, like, like a kid. I talk to them like a grown-up, like a grown-up, that— but I, I communicate to them in a way they can understand it. But I'm not using like— right, age-appropriate, like, yeah, I'm using age-appropriate terms so they understand like this is serious, but it's nothing to worry about, we're still together, um, as in co-parenting.

Yeah.

So when I made sure, like, at the beginning I made sure that I visited him like all— like when we did a week on, week off and we didn't do any like custody, we didn't do any child support. It was everything we want to do. We didn't want the courts involved telling me that I have to pay this certain amount for my child when it just didn't— doesn't make sense for when me and my ex talked about it. So we decided to do it on our own, and we did week on, week off. But during the week that I didn't have them, um, I always make sure I stopped by, hung out with them, you know, for 30 minutes, hung out, ate dinner sometimes, and it just made it to feel like Hey, Mommy and Daddy might not be married anymore, but we're still here, we're still working together and, you know, making it the best we can.

So, and how was her— I guess, how was her acceptance of that? Did it take her a while to kind of adjust to it?

I think at the beginning it was kind of weird because she was going— they were going back and forth to the house every week. But I think at the end they just— it became a normal, like, way of life because nothing really changed. The only thing that changed was Mommy and Daddy wasn't— weren't living together anymore. But the love, the Like, we know I have a thing every Friday night. I try to keep it Friday pizza and movie night, you know. They get to pick the pizza, they get to pick the movie, and then we just have like a nice family thing. So I made sure like I kept special moments throughout the week, and then when I had them, I made sure like things were special and that they would remember that stuff. So nothing's like really negative during that time.

So, so this will be a tough question in the sense that you've obviously remarried, love your wife, and have another daughter. So it's probably gonna be a tough answer, or it's a weird question to ask, but I'm still curious. So you're in a good relationship with your ex-wife, like things are amicable. Why was there a fraction in that relationship? Why, why did that one stay together?

So, you know, we were together 15 years. A lot of the times, you know, I think— I want to say, I mean, just I think due to the military and the fact that we got married young Um, you know, we just get— didn't get along sometimes. So it was like sometimes it's a roller coaster. And then, uh, and then in the end, basically when your wife tells you that she's a lesbian, there's nothing you can really do about it, you know what I mean? So her feelings changed and, you know, things change, and that's what happened. And like, I'll be honest with you, like when it first— when it first happened, I mean, you know, it crushed me. It was like, what the hell? What, like, did I miss something here? And And I just put like all this negativity on myself and like, was like, what happened? What did I do? Did I say something? Did I do something? And, but in the end, once I started processing, I would talk to like, I would go to our behavioral health on base and I would talk to them and explain what's going on. And, you know, through all the work and discussion, I kind of was like, you know what? This was kind of the best thing that ever happened to us, to be honest with you. Like the last 5 years were hit or miss. You know, once I did start looking back on it, little things came up. I'm like, oh, okay, I see, I see. And then, then we just talked about it. We talked to— we had a good talk for about 3 or 4 hours of talking about the situation and just worked it out. I mean, I, I, I try not to like live in the past. I try not to like hold grudges because all it's going to do is like get my anxiety worked up, get my depression back. You know, I don't want to— I don't want to think about that shit. I want to be able to move on, move forward, stop moving, never stop moving forward. And just, you know, hey, it didn't work out, high five, let's, you know, let's make it better here on out. So, you know, it worked out for the best.

So, so I guess that's, that's two big adjustments for your kids then, because they have to deal with parents separating, a, a gay parent.

So yeah, big time. Yeah, it was, it was different.

But is that, is that mostly your wife kind of talking her through that one, or were you involved in that as well?

I definitely was hands-off on that one. It's really, um, it's none of my business what they do in their relationship and how they run it on their side. Um, her, uh, her wife right now is amazing with the kids. Like, she takes care of the kids like, like it's the— she's like she birthed them, you know what I mean? It's like, it's a— it's great. It's, it's nice. The discipline and just getting stuff—

considering the circumstances, probably the best you can hope for.

Oh yeah, definitely. I mean, I, I, you know, I hate playing like the what-if game, but it was like, if it was like another guy that she left me for, something like that, honestly, it'd be a totally different ball game.

Yeah.

And I don't know why that is. It's just the way that I am, I guess.

I don't know. I think most men would feel the same way. Yeah. So, so there's a lot of stigma, um, and obviously you did it because that was going to be my follow-up question there. Did you go to any counseling? I know the military's got a lot of support and that stuff, but at the same time a lot of guys just like to shy away from that stuff because it's unmanly. They should be able to deal with it.

Well, I look at like, just, I'm not like, I could be like, at the beginning of my career, in the middle of my career, I was always like, oh, I'm not gonna, I don't need to talk to anybody. I'm not feeling this. I'm not gonna, like, why? Nothing's gonna change. That's gonna happen. And then once I started deploying and coming back and getting into these roles, more responsibility, I looked up and I looked up and I'm like, you know what, I have to take care of myself because if I can't take care of myself I can't take care of my family, I can't take care of my teammates. So I made sure that I started going to, you know, when I was in Germany, I started going to counseling. And then when I got back and then all this, the divorce happened, I didn't go to counseling for that because I didn't have time at the beginning, at the beginning of it, because I was deploying to Germany for, for another mission. But once I got to Germany, I went and saw someone at behavioral health and just talk every once in a while just to get stuff off my chest, really. I really didn't— I really wasn't asking for any advice because I kind of knew like what I needed to do, but I just wanted to vent and then get to some stuff back and forth. Yeah, just want to get off my chest, that's all.

So, and yeah, I'm assuming you would recommend that to other people as well.

Oh yeah, I, I tell you, I go into like talking to somebody at like behavioral health or mental health, honestly helped me out with so much stuff in my life, like just decision-making, like working out feelings that I had. And, and then if, if even if I wasn't feeling bad, I'd still go and just talk about like what I was doing in my life and just things like that. So it's like, and that person's not going to sit there and judge you, they're not going to sit there and, and like tell anybody what you said. So having that trust, it's all about trust. If I'm sharing my feelings, I have to trust someone in order do that. So, um, and by having that outlet, like, right here, I'll make sure that I take advantage of that.

So are your kids— you're in Arizona now? Yeah.

So my, um, I have my son is here with me, and then, um, my two daughters, they're in, uh, St. Augustine, Florida right now, but they're Oh, that's right.

Yeah, I forgot about that. That's where I'm from.

Yeah, so, um, they're moving to Colorado, like near Colorado Springs, because her— my ex's brother lives there. So she wants to be closer to family, so they're leaving. They'll be out there end of this month, and then I go from, uh, here to, uh, Colorado Springs area, and I pick them up at the end of the month. So, and I'll have it for the summer.

How are you doing custody now?

So during the school year, my, uh, ex has them. It's just easier that way, I think. I, I think, you know, if I look at it, I think that my daughter should be with her mother, you know what I mean? Like, I get it on the father, but I think the kids should be with their mother. And that's what we— that's kind of what we agreed on. So they get them during the school year, and I get them on like all the breaks, like, um, Thanksgiving, Christmas, and then spring, and then summer break. So We can— it's kind of split in half, to be honest with you. I think 50/50.

And you're getting them for the whole summer?

Yeah, again, for the whole summer. And then, um, and then right before school starts, I'll drive them back and then they'll start school.

What if, what if school never starts back up?

That's what I'm saying. They might just do online. They could probably stay a little longer with me. Yeah, so that'd be pretty cool.

That'd be fun. So you're— how are they again? I should have remembered this. I don't have notes. I don't have a place to write my notes today.

12 and, and 6. And then my, uh, my 12-year-old, she's gonna be 13 in July, so that's another milestone.

Yeah. Uh, so you starting to prep for college?

Uh, yeah, really, but kinda. It's slow, though.

You can pass your GI Bill.

Yeah, so like, I got 100% disability through the VA, and, um, I think I think I can send them through my benefits, uh, they'll, they'll probably be paid for. So that's another perk of, you know, being like retired and being broken.

So, but, uh, was that a battle injury?

No, it's just I think what, like, everything they do is like they take, um, they go— you, once you retire, they, they do— you get a physical and they go from the top of your head to the bottom of your feet, everything that you um, have like long— and they go through all your records and stuff that you've been seen for. So it's mostly, uh, I got a lot of back, like lower back, uh, shoulders, my neck. I get numbness, so it's like just nerve damage and stuff like that.

Yeah, you guys get the snot beat out of you. Yeah, I feel like that's pretty common story. You guys have been there for a while.

Function day to day, but it's after that day, it's like I feel every bit of that.

Uh, yeah, you know, I get it. What are you looking at?

Sorry about this, I was trying to get stuff off my screen.

Uh, you distracted me with your finger poking me in the face. But I have to—

where are we going with that?

I'm moving right now. Is it okay if I'm on the move doing this?

I had a follow-up question, you just distracted me.

That gone.

All right, so remarried? Yep, remarried. Uh, just had a kid.

How old?

15 months, did you say?

Uh, he'll be, uh, what's May? He'll be 17 months this month.

Okay, how's that going?

That's great.

What's it like having a toddler?

Yeah, he's, uh, he's at— he's into everything. I can't even keep up with him half the time. Uh, he's talking, he's, he's trying to talk. He does a lot of the mimicking stuff to where he mimics, and it's funny because he'll do like— he'll blow on his food. But, um, he likes to— he just likes to follow you around, like everywhere you go he follows you. He's, uh, into everything. He's into chords, like he loves playing with chords. He loves singing, he loves dancing. So all these things he just loves doing.

And it's just—

we'll put— he'll sit there, he's like 17 months, and he sits and he watches movies for like an hour. Like, it's, it's the weirdest thing that what he does. So, uh, and it's just, it's cool to see him grow. And it's like sometimes I'll go away for like, um, for like a weekend and I'll come back and it will feel like, uh, he's, uh, I like, like he's like a different person. Like he just looks different. I don't know, it's just like, it's great to watch them grow.

They, they grow fast. So I take it, uh, when you were, uh, in the military, you weren't there?

Um, So I, for my, uh, my oldest daughter, I was kind of like, I was kind of there for her like for the first like 3 years of her life because I was an instructor at the, um, at our, uh, Non-Commissioned Officers Academy. So I saw her a lot, but then when I started like deploying, um, once I got done with that job, uh, I would do 6 months at a time and come back and just kind of, as I was gone, it was, it got a lot harder, uh with my second daughter, because my second daughter was born, I was, um, I was— I deployed to Ukraine. So she was born in January, I left in Ukraine I think in March or April, I think it was. And I was gone for another 6 months. So when I came back, she— it took her like a couple of days for her to even like remember who I was. So yeah, it was like weird.

Any advice for military dads then on that?

Um, I feel like I would just say, like, have a good, uh, like, have a good support system. Like, have a good, like, like, friends and family you can trust and that can be there for, like, your wife while you're not there. And, um, and then while you're deployed, just have, like, those special little things like that you do. Like, try to, like, I mean, as much as you can, or your, you know, your situation is, just be there for them as much as you can. And, uh, like, call them every once in a while or send them letters. Like, little things like that would go a long way.

Can you do this kind of stuff while you're overseas?

Um, yeah, depending on where you're at. They have an MWR, it's like the morale welfare people, and, um, and they have like— you'll have telephones, video chat set up, computers and stuff like that. So It just depends on where you're at.

Okay, that would help a lot. You could have that face-to-face interaction.

Where are you going?

There you go, you're back. Okay, you going—

so, so they have a lot of things. They have like mail system is good, so if you want to order stuff and send them, then everything's there for you to set up.

All right, so tell everyone about, uh, what was this, Global Tactical? I can't quite remember what's the name.

Oh, Fieldcraft Survival. And we're, uh, we're preparing this company. Um, we educate, uh, you know, educate people on just being prepared, like having, um, just for example, like a med kit in your car or a tourniquet on you just in case, you know, someone does get injured, something like that. Just a simple thing like that. Uh, we, we saw— we saw different products, uh, for like mobility training. And then we also provide training for, uh, like law enforcement, military. We do open enrollment training for, uh, rifles, uh, pistols. We also do a long-range, uh, training like, like, uh, rifle, like long gun training. We do got a lot of training and then we got a lot of products.

And then we also have a, uh, is that normally in your town or do you guys travel to do that?

We travel, yeah, we travel all over East Coast, West Coast. Um, and then, uh, we have a, like, our pod— we have a podcast that we have different guests on different topics. And then we do a, um, we have a YouTube channel with different, uh, topics on anything from cooking food to, uh, doing a bug out and how to pack your, uh, your bug out bag and equipment that you need for that.

Oh, what's in there?

Uh, so you get the staples of preparedness. You got medical, you got food, shelter, and then like, uh, something to start a fire, and then something to gather water. So you put all those things inside of that, and so as long as you have all those covered, you should be able to survive for, you know, depending on how many, uh, days you, uh, you could plan for. So We usually— you should usually— we usually say have a, have a supply of 72 hours and per person, like, sustain yourself once that is up.

Now you recommend it like per person, or do you recommend that for like an entire family?

I would say bug out bag with like, you know, a, their own little thing in there, like just something to fire, something to get water. And then, um, then you should have like a, I think, a bigger cache of like food, water for everybody. So, um, so you have enough if you're gonna bug out. So if you're bugging out in a vehicle, you know, you're gonna make sure you set your vehicle up for bugging out, like where you put your stuff at, or Organization is key, knowing where everything is at, and then streamlining everything. So make sure that you just bring the necessities you need so you're not carrying all this weight.

And that's what we call a hard stop, because George Bell with Fieldcraft Survival— love him like him—

he decided to drive around during the end of this podcast.

So we had to do a lot of deletes, and we lost him at a certain point. You can also hear my kids screaming screaming in the background if you listen real close. But listen, George gets to all day, every day play with guns and come up with training and survival and all that fun, cool stuff we all wish we could do. So check him out, Fieldcraft Survival. Good having him on, good talking to a military dad, a divorced dad, a dad dealing with custody situations. Hey, we need dads for our podcast, so reach out to us. You can DM us or email us anyway. Obviously you're listening to this, so you found us one way or the other, whether it's YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, however, just reach out to us. You can always email me at Townsend@TownsendRussell.com, go through the website 100Dad.com or 100Dad.com, it all goes to the same place. But we want to get as many dad perspectives as possible and see both the good and the bad, because it's out there and we want to We want to talk to real dads about real things. So if you're a dad who's willing to speak about it and put it out there, hit us up. Let's make it happen.