Jake Paul vs Mike Tyson, Patrick Bet David Debate & TikTok Being Banned

Dude, nuts.

Tyson. They just announced today. Tyson's fighting Jake Paul.

Yeah. That's stupid.

Why?

60 year old man, bro. What do you mean, dude?

Have you seen him recently? Training? He still got it, bro. Welcome back to Stick Talk.

This is a members launch episode. We have nothing planned, so let's just get it.

We're not even in the members lounge tonight, bro.

We leveled up.

We're in the members.

Yeah.

Members mansion.

Members mansion.

Respect the Grand Cathedral cigars.

But this is. This is a step up. Like a Dave Portnoy. What does he call it? The emergency episode?

Emergency press conference.

Emergency press conference. Or is that Andrew Tate?

Oh, it's.

I think it might be both.

I feel like Tate does something like that.

Yeah, he does.

He calls something different. Emergency press conferences.

Who started it first?

Dave, for sure. He's been doing that for years, since like 2015.

I just thought of it when we. When, when you guys said it.

Definitely. Dave.

Dave with the old barstool videos where he's like standing on top of the water cooler.

Yeah.

It's crazy that. Well, the one time he's in Tampa, we're not there literally.

Per minute.

Where'd you see him?

I texted. I was at the cafe at the Edition and you can see between the wall and the staircase, like a little blip of the lobby. And I just saw him zoom by.

I love. He's like, I texted you. Like, I'm trying to get him to explain it for the podcast. What are you stupid? I'm like, yeah, it's the people, though.

I thought you didn't remember for sure.

I saw him in a Fraggle hat.

Two episodes, dude.

We had a good conversation at lunch about it. I think he's. He's with it now.

No, he's like, you should call it Fraggle. I'm like, no, no.

It does kind of sound fire, dude.

It does.

Fraggle.

Yes.

Yeah, like you put it on a dog and waggle. Fraggle, waggle.

Anyways, the reason I was saying this is an emergency podcast is because this is the first birthday podcast that I think we've done.

It's not my birthday, though. We're close.

Oh, we did one on my birthday.

Your birthday doesn't count. It's his birthday.

All right.

I know. As I said it, I realized my.

Birthday is always the most significant of the group because then I can kind of guide you guys.

Yeah, we could get a zoom in on Christmas.

As the younger co host of the podcast, I'll tell you guys.

Yeah. What is it like being 25 compared to 24.

I'll let you know tomorrow. But I think it's going to be a lot different, honestly.

Really?

Yeah.

What do you anticipate changing quarter century? Just. I. I can't get away with tax evasion for much longer. I. I bought a 6 milligram instead of a 3 milligram at the gas station, so that's different.

Oh, wait, you did. I didn't catch that one. Yeah, I didn't, like, put two and two together. You're never a six guy.

No.

Like, you bought the sixes. You're saying you didn't just find them and, like, that's all you're left with.

Not like, I looked. I look, I looked at both choices. And I want the road less traveled for me, more traveled for other people. But, yeah, no, I think basically, if I look at my life, every year since 2021 has just been better and better and better. So excited for it.

Do you think that trend will continue or is it kind of like the markets where you got to see.

I don't think can't continue forever.

Like, at some point got to come back down.

Yeah.

There has to be cycles to it. I'm due for, like, a hard reset.

Yeah. Yeah.

Maybe rock bottom.

Yeah. Yeah.

Maybe Christian will, like, clog my toilet or something.

Now we'll just split up his roommates, bro. And the best thing that ever happened, you will leave.

That's great.

Yeah. Tomorrow's your birthday, so tonight we're doing the pod and getting some steak dinner.

Blessed. Blessed to have another birthday with you boys. Eat more steak, talking about business, make more money.

Yeah, bro.

What'd you eat today?

What did I eat today? I had a protein bar and I had a protein shake from the fridge. And then I had another protein shake after the gym. Then I had three girl scout cookies.

I love it. I couldn't even tell you what I ate. So much random stuff today.

Louis. Bossy. And some cookies.

Yeah, but, like, how many cookies? Like, you said three. I. I don't know.

There's only 160 calories. I'm trying to lose weight right now.

I have. I have a good question.

Cookie power ranking. Go.

I'm a tag along guy.

I don't even know what those are.

With the peanut butter. Like the one.

I don't know what those are either.

The chocolate ones with the peanut butter.

Those are valid.

I like thin Mints the best.

Thin mint is second for me. And then Samoa.

Samoa, Thin Mint. Tagle. I. I'll reverse you.

Okay. That's respectable, though. Those are the top three. I feel like, no debate every other one.

Short breads are close, though.

The what?

The shortbread ones that we were eating earlier.

I don't know if they're called shortbread, though.

That's not the name of them.

But the ones with the peanut butter in the middle.

Just. No, just like the plain ones.

N. That.

Those are far.

I'm not a fan.

All right. Anyways, back to business. Because that's why people are watching. Not to, like, see.

That's a great business cookie rank.

You literally watch us, bro.

It is true. You specifically because you're a TikTok fan. We're not really relevant in this world, bro. Did you see? Actually, this is super relevant. That Congress is, like, making a lot of progress on banning TikTok in the United States, and now TikTok is asking its users to, like, like, help save TikTok in the United States. How do you feel about that, bro?

Just move to the next platform, bro.

If Tick Tock gets banned before something. No, no, something else that we're launching launches.

Oh, that would be.

That would be a shame, because that's gonna cook.

Honestly, the next platform, bro.

I know, but.

Yeah, but for whatever reason, your style with Tick Tock is obviously, like, the sauce goes anywhere. You think?

Yeah.

Why not just post all the Tick Tocks to Instagram, man?

Too lazy. There's no.

You think it would work as well on Instagram?

Yeah, Yeah, I think it could too. After talking to.

I feel like Tick Tock, though, is like, the one platform that anyone can just start and, like, get millions of views. Like, Instagram is so tough. Instagram.

Instagram shuts down. Everyone's gonna go somewhere.

Well, it's true. Like, you're saying the audience is going somewhere else, basically.

Yeah.

Like, they're just gonna go to the next platform. Even, like, they're gonna go where other. Wherever Cbrice Copy is. Honestly, they're gonna shut it down. It doesn't matter.

That's. That's literally how I choose where I live every year.

I think the one.

Wherever CP writes copy is where I reside.

I think the one. I think the one thing that normies would, like, rise up for is keep Tick Tock on the Internet. Go for anything. Border crisis, war. Nah, Tick Tock goes, bro.

I'm on the side of ban Tick Tock. I'm serious, bro. Dude, if you, like, go listen to.

The Rogan episode, bro, they already have whatever they want.

There's a Tick Tock.

You think Tick Tock is the only thing that Takes our data. No chance.

That's owned by China. Yeah.

China knows that I'm 510 with packing 2 inches. I don't give a. What does that mean?

What.

They'Ll just. With those measures now everyone knows with those measurements. So they'll just assume he's Chinese.

Yeah, he's one of us.

There's nothing.

No wonder he's pumping on Tick tock. Now it all makes. Makes sense.

He's got the home.

The home team just pumping his content.

Pumping off a Tick tock too from Tick tock, if you know what I'm saying.

Yeah. Okay. All right. Actually, I have a serious question.

Yeah.

I was thinking like, what's a banger question to start the episode with? You're just sending us an audio note in the client ascension text message shot.

Yeah.

Saying that you had to fire someone. Talk about what it's like to fire someone. Because I feel like that's like I'm.

Not going to talk about this specific.

Well, I'm not, I'm not saying tell us who you fire but like what is it like to have to fire someone? I feel like that's something that not a lot of people in the space have to go through because.

It sucks. But if you set clear expectations from the start, it's never like what?

Like, like surprising.

Yeah. Yeah.

I mean I would feel a lot worse about it if it was something where expectations weren't set. Regular W2 job, they're depending on this, then they lose it and it's like bam, in an instant. That sucks. But for me, like our offer is high ticket. We don't expect people to be at KPI right away.

We.

We expect them to basically ramp to half KPI, which is a 10% close rate. And we give them like a batch of calls. And a batch for us, subjective is 20 calls. You don't hit the numbers. So like you don't close two out of the first 20 calls, you get fired.

Yeah.

And it's something where like if you're doing commission only sales because almost all of my guys except for like Sophie on and Ryan who are newer on the list kit team, they're all commission based.

Yeah.

So it's also like they're not super thrilled anyways. And you're gonna have like one or two people. The most, the most common is like. Yeah, I was kind of like looking elsewhere too because I'm not making any money. It doesn't seem to be working out. Or you have the person who's like ready to like scratch, fight and claw and, like, kind of make it work. Those are the ones that are a little bit tougher to let go of because, like, you still have to let them go, but they obviously are a little bit more emotionally disappointed. But this was the former, where it was like, I kind of get it.

Yeah.

I was. I was halfway out right now, too.

Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. I just want to ask, because I feel like that's like. There's a lot of good things in business that are, like, fun to talk about, and then it's like, oh, you got to fire this person. It's like.

It sucks. It sucks.

Yeah, it sucks. But I was thinking. I was thinking the same thing, because you're in sales, which is, like, known to be, like, probably out of all departments in business. The highest churn.

Oh, yeah.

And then I'm in, like, cs, which is like, dude, like the former. What you're saying, like, they rely on this. They've been working there for a year. It's not really expected because it doesn't really have any measurable KPIs, like, sales, where it's like, you don't close two out of 20 calls, you're out.

Yeah.

So it's like. Yeah. For me, I was, like, thinking from the perspective, like, what I had to fire people always is like, dude, like, so emotional every single time.

Yeah.

It's not like that for sales.

Yeah.

It's less emotional because you have those numbers to point to. So even if they are starting to get emotional, it's not like, hey, man, I hear you. Like, this, that, and the third.

It's just like, the numbers don't lie. Is really. Is really numbers driven.

Yeah.

And that's something that I've been, like, working on, is trying to get, like, a little bit more ruthless in terms of just, like, being a little bit more like, here are the numbers. This is what it has to be. And just treating it as, like, a.

System as a whole, rather than, like, person to person.

Yeah. Yeah.

Because you need a little bit of both. But I would say, like, my personality leans way more towards, like, the person to person.

Yeah.

As opposed to just looking at it as a system. So, like, the truth is in the middle, but I feel like you're looking at it just purely cold, hard numbers versus, like, personal relationships. I. I'm naturally way more here. So I've been trying to move myself back more in the middle since the first event that we went to with Cole when he was talking about how, like, the most dangerous person in the company is somebody who's not performing. But is a good culture fit?

Yeah.

And you like them.

Yeah.

That's. That's who people will hang out with the most. And I, I feel like with anybody, you just naturally hire people that you get along with and like.

Yep.

So that's like the most common scenario with companies is like the person that can just essentially become like a personality hire if you don't let them go.

And it's. And it's also like a good screening question for yourself is like the person that's hiring them in the beginning. Beginning is like, dude, like, I do you like the person too much to the point where it's going to be a problem if you have to fire them. Because there are hires like that where it's like. And this is where like family gets involved. Like you're hiring family members or like friends. Like, that's why people are cautious with it. Because then you create a situation where you might have to fire them and.

You have to be cautious with it. But I still think it's one of those things where you should probably go with your gut.

Yeah, definitely. Because they're not to hire. Because we. One of our top performing closer is that exact situation.

Yeah.

Our best friend growing up. And I even told him in the beginning, like, listen, dude, this is what it is. Like, if you don't hear your numbers, like, I love you. And it may get awkward, but like.

And that's like the biggest fear you probably had going into it.

Huge fear. Huge fear. But I tried to say, like, as much as possible, this is what it is before going into it. But the reason I went and hired him anyways is because of my gut was like, I think it's going to work out. Like, if I had to place money on it, I would say it's like minus 350 that it's going to work out.

And even if it didn't, it's fine. Like, it's not to say don't hire that person just because of the chance it might not work out.

That's where I disagree.

Okay.

Because if your gut tells you, like, if you're very upfront about the numbers.

Yeah.

And it doesn't work out. There can still be that fractured relationship, even if you were super up front. So I'd say if your gut says it's not going to work out, I wouldn't do it because then you're running the risk. Like we had. I had another situation, uh, and this was with one of our little cousins where, like, he was talking about maybe work for us. And like, my gut told me it wouldn't work out, so I didn't hire him for that reason because I could have been as upfront about the numbers, but, like, the risk reward and how much I value that relationship wasn't worth it. If I was at like a minus 350, I was at like a plus 420.

Betting odds for people listening.

Yeah, that's how my brain works.

Yeah. I guess more of what I was saying is like, don't not hire someone just because you're thinking of the worst case scenario.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. Like the worst case scenario is always going to exist. But if your mind says, hey, I'm willing to take that chance because I think that it will work out, then.

Yeah, exactly.

You're just betting on your intuition.

Yeah.

And I think. Who was this? I think it was Garrett Campbell. He had like a really cool video about that that I loved and he was like, every time you don't go with your gut, you're robbing yourself of the chance to fine tune your intuition. Because, like, if you go with your gut and you're wrong, then the next time you go with your gut, like, your gut will be sharper if you just get into a scenario where like, you're going with your gut enough times and taking chances to do the right thing.

Actually do the right thing.

Yeah. Yeah.

That's really interesting. I like that you talked about what Cole said at one of his first events. I think last weekend you were just at the second event. How much fun was that?

Dude, they do a good job with their events. They're pretty, I would say, similar to us and that they make sure that everybody has a good time too.

Yeah.

Which is smart, right? Because people are traveling like, yes, they want to learn a lot, but they also have 90% of the information that you're going to share in front of them. If it's like a community based event like theirs where like a lot of people who go to our events are also inclined Ascension. Basically everybody who goes their event is in their mastermind. So, like every single person in the mastermind could just watch the recordings. Right. They could just go through the content again.

Y.

It's good to have that in person reinforcement and just learn it in a different way. But people are traveling. It's a business expense. Vacation, essentially.

Essentially, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Make sure they have a good time. But no, I mean, it was super fun. Couple good memories from there. A couple funny stories and like, it was cool. Just because a few people that we've been interacting with for a while on Twitter. Like, like Jeremy Moser and you know, some other guys that we'd like seen before at like different agency type stuff and like networking events just got a lot closer with, you know, getting their phone numbers, texting back and forth afterwards. Just always, always valuable.

Yeah, that's far. What was the biggest takeaway from the actual content, would you say? Because those presentations is similar to any Mastermind event that you get into. What I've realized is like the content is so like meta to our specific type of business that it's like overwhelming when you're there and then you kind of have to zoom out and like think of how do you actually apply it all.

Yeah.

So like I guess biggest takeaway but more so like what's something that you've already started implementing?

I've implemented like 18 different things from that event. I've never implemented break them all down. 18 things I could actually from my notes.

No, let's do it. Just valuable for the audience then. They don't got to pay 68 grand to join the Mastermind.

I mean still join if you want to. I'm not trying to take their business, but hold on. But yeah, I literally had like action.

Items from like4subscribe to the podcast channel free.

If you don't subscribe at this point, Christian, what are you going to do to yourself? Jump in the pool and he can't swim. So one was just like having costume track certain numbers, like offers per day, units per month. This is very specific to people who are managing sales teams, by the way. And it was cool because Cole talks about all this different stuff, but he recently had to jump back into sales management. So a lot of it was a little bit different than his content, but it was like more fresh and up to date because he had the recent experience of being back in the trenches.

Yeah. And this is Cole Gordon from what's the business called?

Closer Closers IO.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Have cost them go and backtrack, march and everything going forward. So the close rate is more accurate of the calls that were generated that month because like before it would be like, okay, somebody closes a deal today from like a follow up call. It's just marked as a close for like March 7th as opposed to just actually going back in the sheet which is more of a hassle. But I mean that's, that's what we pay costume for is to be more so in the weeds there. And then also like another thing that you can do once you start doing that Is start tracking these sales cycle like how long it takes. So if that's like a metric we have like line in the sand we can say okay as of March our sales cycle is 21 days. How can we get that down? Like do fast action bonuses help? Do you know pushing to not take calls when both decision makers are on the call helps. Is there any way that we can you know give some sort of like time based incentive? Like if somebody has a client that needs to close next week or you know a wedding coming up, do we just give them an extra week or two in the program? Things along those lines where it's like when you're testing that stuff like it always seems to work because you'll have like two or three.

Yeah. Isolated cases and you're like oh yeah, it worked.

But when you actually have the number and you can look at it month over month and you're like okay, yeah this actually worked. One guy from their team just seemed like a stud. So I told all the sales guys like start going to his calls. Yeah, more often. It was super funny because his name is Ashley and they were always like what Ashley's calls? First off I was like ash. I just figured it was a chick. But like literally he's Connor Sunderland. Really 64 Irish dude. Just like big fucking guy, just legend. I, I swear Irish people have an advantage.

So now next time we start hiring for sales it's like we're looking for a 64 Irish guy.

Literally. Literally like they're just undefeated track record there. Certain stuff that went into like people that I needed to pip on certain metrics which I don't want to pip is a performance, performance improvement plan.

Yeah.

And then with the setters it was super helpful to kind of understand how many leads per day you should have full time for each setter which is 30 to 40. We're more so at 40 because we get people who will just funnel hack because they're like in our, in our ecosphere. Like we have like clients and client ascension go through the funnel all the time simply because they're just trying to see what we're doing. Which nothing wrong with that respect. But like okay we, if we have three setters we need at least 120 opt ins per day and then measuring from that like what the coverage is on the weekend because the way that they have it with their setters is they'll have a more heavier days in terms of hours. Monday, Tuesday and it'll kind of ramp down throughout the week. So like Monday, Tuesday should Be like a ten hour day. Wednesday should be like a nine hour day. Thursday, eight hour day. Friday, it's cool if you put in like a five hour day and then just work the weekend if you're behind on your numbers for a given week, just because naturally, if you're not having people close in the weekend, which most B2B companies don't, a set on Friday is not nearly as valuable as a satin Monday because the no show rate when you're setting somebody on Friday for a Monday call is just statistically a lot lower.

Higher no show rate.

Higher no show rate. Yeah, yeah, that's what I meant. Definitely have everybody who has an iPhone just suck it up and text from their personal number. It was super funny because Cole talked about it for like five minutes and somebody like raised their hand. They're like, they're like, so does it have to be an iPhone? Like, like if I have like a VA in the Philippines or like overseas, like, how would I do that if they don't have an iPhone? He's like, ship them an iPhone. It's worth it. And they're like, so are you like just betting on the fact that most people have an iPhone? He's like, no, it's statistics. Most people have an iPhone. He's like, next question. He got like annoyed with it. But yeah, a couple more things like that. And then on the list kit side.

I don't know, most people just have them by. By the numbers, you know.

No, he was just like, no, I'm not betting on it. Most people do have an iPhone. It's not a bet.

It's just a stupid question. It's like just.

Yeah, exactly. And then another thing on Liskit, which was super helpful, was the guy named Ryan Dice, who's the founder of Digital marketer. He's had three companies in the Inc. 500, fastest growing company simultaneously. So the guy knows how to scale. Super, super smart dude. But he was talking about this CEO dashboard for tracking things. I was like, oh, shit. Like, we already do that. We're great. And then he started talking about all the things that go into it. I was like, oh, we don't do any of that. We're not so great. And he was talking about kind of like his way. And I think this is like, get scalable.com resources if you guys want to just look at this. Like that's a his like sales asset or like bonus at the end was fucking sick. But the thing that he talked about about like mapping each and every growth engine and a Growth engine is essentially like, okay, you have a funnel where somebody comes through cold email, comes through an opt in. You have to literally map like every step in the decision making process for that prospect. And where there's any human intervention, he's like, your job as the business owner is to make sure every single step has an assignee, but to also make sure that none of the assignees are yourself because you'll never be able to scale if you don't. And it was pretty cool because, like, he, he kind of shit on like some of the most common books that people will go to for like scaling and operations like Traction, for example. He was like, the whole idea of like an integrator and a visionary is the dumbest thing of all time.

Yeah, yeah.

He's like, what are you gonna be like a full time visionary? What even is that? Like, what are you just gonna, you're gonna wake up in the morning and just your vision board and just visionate all over people? It was funny. He was like, you guys all laughed at that, right?

That's kind of true though.

He was like, yeah, because Vision 8 is not a fucking word. He's like, think of every single company that, you know there are defined roles. Like the, the real big dogs in the game. They have a CEO. They have a CEO.

Yeah.

They have a director of sales. These are all real roles and responsibility. And if you build out your team and you do this exercise for each one of your teams, like, nobody actually has like the just visionary. Like even Steve Jobs.

Being a visionary is like a good trait to possess.

Yeah. But it's not a job title.

It can't be a job title. Like, what he says a lot of people mess up on is like, oh, I'm a creative, I'm a visionary. I need to find an integrator that will do everything that I have in my mind, which is just a terrible working relationship because that person is also.

Not going to be a business owner level.

No. And even if you do find them at a business owner level, at some point the scales are going to tip and you're going to be like, I'm doing all the fucking work. So any, like, great quote unquote, like integrator worth anything is just going to either A, leave or B, get to a point where they're just becoming like a yes man. And you're like, hey, go do this. And they do it. And they go to this, Go do it. And like, they're not actually bringing anything to the organization. They just become the person who does the work that you don't want to.

Do, which is what the defined roles are then for. Yeah, like hiring actual people to do the defined roles.

Yeah, but, like, I mean, we've. We've probably gone through this with our own business.

Yeah, absolutely.

We're like, for example, like, Daniel would be like the visionary here. You'd be the integrator. But if Daniel was just doing ideas.

Visionating.

Yeah.

If you're just visionating all the time, think of how unhealthy of a working relationship that would be. Like, think of if he came up with the funnels and you made all the funnels, and he said, like, I have this media buying strategy, and you had to do all the media buying.

From the 10kk study funnel. I thought of. And he made it.

Yeah, but you do a lot of the work too.

Yeah.

I'm saying, like, you're actually. It's interesting because your role is the least defined out of all of ours, but you're much more so like somebody who takes very specific things and implements them. Like, you're an implementer. You do a lot more work for students than any of us.

Yeah.

So it's really not the case. But I thought that was.

Integrate, Daniel, please. I'm always like, yo, let me help with the copy. He's like, I got it.

Yeah. Yeah.

But no, I thought that one was interesting. And then maybe my favorite one speech wise was Todd Herman, which was very cool because it's. It's like all mindset. Right. And mindset stuff is like, woohoo. Like, you know, it kind of seems like, you know, it's a fugazi. Fugazi. It's a woozy. It's a wise fairy dust. It doesn't exist. But with him, he caught my attention just because, number one, like, the guy was so down to earth. Like, he's done incredible things. And like, I ran into him at the open bar the night before, and I didn't even know who he was. And we just shot the. For like 20 minutes before he spoke at all about himself. His name's Todd. Todd Herman. But he helped Kobe come up with, like, the black mamba. Like, he invented that with him.

Like the mentality, like the alter ego, you're saying.

Literally the alter ego. So his whole thing was, if you have an identity problem, let's say Andre is. Is insecure to the point where he can't create content.

I am.

But let's just. Let's just say you are. You're obviously comfortable creating content. We're. We've been yapping on the mic for 72 straight episodes at this point. Whatever it is, he says most people will just want to try to change that about themselves. But think of how hard that is to change something fundamentally about yourself. Like, it takes a lot of work. That can take years. Where, like, the easier shortcut, per se, is to just invent somewhat of an alter ego and say, hey, Andre doesn't like to create content, but AJ. AJ's a beast. AJ is Gary Vee Jr. Whenever he steps into AJ, he's doing Gary Vee a disservice. He's doing Elon Musk, like, whoever, like, your kind of idols in that space, a disservice by not going out. And to create content, even use something called, like, enclosed cognition. And this is what sounds kind of silly, but it's like, literally like having. For him, it was glasses. Like, whenever he put on glasses, that was him being like, hold on.

Guys. Always getting called.

Yeah.

I mean, unfortunately. But he was like, whenever I put on these glasses, like, I slip into the alter ego. And he would literally, like, do that on sales calls because his thing was, like, he couldn't take sales calls because he was afraid to be, like, an advocate for himself. He was, like, a little bit too humble and, like, a little bit too nice with that stuff. But when he put on glass, he was like, this is me. His thing was, like, super. Richard was his.

Was his alter. So cool. Was he also behind, like, the Miley Cyrus, Hannah Montana stuff?

No.

No. But honestly, like, say, dude. Honestly, yeah, same thing. But he's like, it's actually just a much more natural and easier fix for people to slip into an alter ego as opposed to try to change themselves, like, fundamentally, and then you just eventually become that person.

I actually use that.

How so?

Because exactly what you said. Like, so I grew up. Andre Hagel Jr. Is like, My full name growing up. Everyone, friends and family, call me aj. But in a business setting, have you ever heard anyone call me aj?

No.

No. So, like, when I hear Andre, it, for whatever reason, triggers, like, a different personality trait in my brain. Like, I'm now in business.

Yeah.

And then when it's aj, like you guys see me outside of business, like.

We'Re swing I've ever seen.

Exactly. But that's literally where it comes from. And part of it, you go from.

Like, way more serious than me to way more, like, stupid than me. I'm like, what the fuck?

Yeah.

But that's part. That's how I'm able to do it, actually. I've talked about this before, but I never, like, understood why.

No, like, the enclosed cognition thing is actually super cool because they've done studies where it's like, people will take the same tests, but one group is just in regular clothes and another group is in, like a lab coat. So they're supposed to feel smart and they will test better 100 of the time. They even did this with kids where it was like they gave them a bunch of different keys to go figure out the locks. Right.

So we're Jordan's to every exam. So I feel like Mike.

Yeah, exactly.

Same. But like, it's like, hey, here are all these different keys. Here are all these different lock boxes. The. The point of the study is that you're just trying to see how long these kids will try until they figure it out. Because none of the keys actually work for the locks.

Yeah, right.

These are like five to seven year old kids. And one group just had regular clothes on. Right. The other group, they gave them like, Dora the explorer outfits for the girls, like Batman mask and capes for the boys. And they went like, exponentially longer simply because they would talk themselves back. Dora always finds a way.

Yeah.

Batman wouldn't give up, but it's stupid. Then he was like, you basically just do that as like a short term fix until you become that person. And like, Kobe's whole thing was like, he couldn't play the innocent archetype anymore because he was always kind of like an innocent archetype coming up. Like, everybody loved him. Then he had the rape charge.

Yep.

So this was like, right when he started working with him. It's like he can't go on the court and be like, the guy that everybody loves because that's just. It's gone.

It's gone.

Yeah.

So he's like, we need to kill that version of you and you need to become this version. So that was like his new basketball alter ego. He's like, you're a killer when you on the court.

Now that's fire, bro. I did. You could apply this in so many different ways. I feel like even at our last event, like, I just wore a suit rather than, like a casual outfit.

The what, do you work with Big Ben too, or.

No, no, but like, I just wore a suit at our last outfit. And, like, being on stage in like, a fire suit.

Yeah.

Just completely changes, like, the way you present yourself on stage.

Yeah.

If anybody wants to look it up. It's called enclosed cognition, bro.

I wore a suit out to the edition last Friday as a Joke. And I was like, this is dope.

Feel like just an alter ego, a different version of yourself. Like Batman.

Yeah. Yeah.

So I thought that one was cool because typically, I'm more so like, mindset, like, whatever.

Yeah.

But, like, this guy, just from talking to him first, I was like, I'm gonna listen to whatever this guy says. And obviously, like, guys we all look up to, like, Kobe, like, you just.

Yeah.

It's a little bit more credibility and social proof than most. Anna Montana. I mean, look at my list right now.

The wig is the blonde wig. That.

And she just kept singing until she really became that girl. Now she would just want a Grammy.

Yeah, actually, it's crazy.

Yeah.

That was basically the whole event, though. Like, you had Ryan Dice, you had Todd Herman, and you had Cole's people speaking, which was more so, like, specific sales management stuff. The part of the podcast where everybody probably fell asleep, which I find the most interesting. But it was cool. It was cool. Went to the casino, won some money, and just had a good event.

That's far. Out of boy and a boy. All right, those are my three bullet points. You guys got yours?

Yeah.

Who's winning the debate tomorrow? Cuomo or Candace?

Yeah, that's gonna be far.

What is this?

The PBD podcast tomorrow that I'm going to.

They're debating.

So he's having Chris Cuomo. Andrew Cuomo's brother used to be on cnn.

Yeah.

And Candace Owens in their debating on the podcast.

I would love to know what happened.

It would have been more fire if it was Andrew Cuomo.

I want to know what happened to him.

He's a master debater.

Tomorrow be like your brother doing.

Does your brother just get, like, put in witness protection or, like, probably. Do the elites just go to some exile place to chill?

Like, actually Bohemian Grove?

He hasn't showed up one time in any. Like, you haven't heard of him since he got. Whatever. Kicked out.

Retired at Bohemian Grove.

Honestly, like, the last couple of times I heard from him, he was actually saying some, like, pretty smart.

Yeah. He was like.

Yeah.

Kind of siding with Trump.

Really?

Yeah, he's just talking about. He was like, immigration is clearly a problem, which for some people on that.

So Democrats are great.

Democrats are really good at talking about it, and they don't do it.

But. So Chris Cuomo.

True. I want to say it's true. Most of them don't even talk about it at all. They just pretend it's not an issue.

The whole Biden campaign was all these things. And then he got in the office and nothing happened.

No, but you knew what Biden was going to. Biden didn't change his strategy once he got in office.

But like the shit that they campaign on is all woo woo and they don't do it. That's a fact.

It's.

It's definitely.

That's the same with both sides, bro.

But it's also like, you know what you're getting into, like their policy with the borders always open border policy. Democrats, like, that's just, that's what they believe.

I don't know.

I remember when he was like gassing up all this stuff he was going to do and then.

Oh, of course, like he fell flat on whatever the good things sounded like in the beginning. But like, it's not surprising that they have an open border policy. That's just like Democrats.

I don't think Democrats nor Republicans implement better. I think they're all equally talk, in my opinion.

Yeah, it is more so on a candidate level, I think it's not like party level, but also like to dance point about Andrew Cuomo. Like, he's definitely showed up a lot differently than when he was in office. And then same with Chris Cuomo. If you listen to him his first time on PBD podcast, see what happens. If you Google, he's saying like really like sensible things. And that was after he got fired from cnn.

It's just because when you get kicked out of the club, you have no more incentive to the club.

It's same with Tucker Carlson.

Yeah.

Like, anyone that leaves, like, like if.

We just fire somebody, they have no, they have no. Like, they don't have to speak great about client attention. If they do Carlson, like, you get kicked out of the club, you don't care.

Damn.

Yeah. What'd you say?

Chris Cuomo and Carlson had an episode?

Yeah, Chris Cuomo. Like, did people in the media remember Lucas was telling us like Tucker Carlson, even when he was at Fox, he'd have like dinner with. What's that chick's name with the short hair that's on like NBC or msnbc.

Mm.

Rachel Maddow. Okay. Rachel Maddow. Like who? Like on the surface level, if you're just a consumer of the content, like, they hate each other. They're polar opposites, but apparently like they're cool with each other. Like they'd get lunch every week.

Damn.

Like behind the scenes. So like, yeah.

Fucking.

It's all two faced. Pro in politics. It's all two faced.

Honestly, it's interesting because I don't know who's going to win the debate. I don't think Republicans are necessarily any smarter than Democrats.

I think Candace Owens is really smart, though.

I think Chris Cuomo is really smart too, though.

But bro, Candace Owens is like, I've listened to enough of her content. She's like a Ben Shapiro.

But have you listened to enough of.

Chris Cuomo's on the PBD podcast when he debated with PBD? Yeah.

Okay.

Which is like, PVD's sharp, but when it comes to politics, like, he's got a clear bias.

Yeah.

Because like, I've listened to both of them. Candace Owens and Chris Cuomo probably like a similar amount. I listen to one person a lot more than the other. And like, for me it looks like going into it it's like pretty fair.

Yeah, it'll definitely be. But like, there's like a Ben Shapiro type in Candace Owens where like Ben Shapiro, like, dude, he's probably one of the best debaters ever.

Yeah.

Yeah. It's so annoying. But like, he's so good at it. Like, you even if you like want to disagree with him after you hear what he says, it's like hard to disagree with him.

Yeah.

Even as like a Trump guy myself.

Facts don't care about your feelings.

Yeah, he's like totally. Like he went against Trump after, like, what happened and he's like a Desantis guy and whatever. And you listen to his episode and it's almost like convincing myself that he's right. Like, like I'm signing with the Santos.

When I'm listening to our thing though, like political debates, it's all like, can anybody actually be right?

No, it's just he's good at debating.

Yeah.

He's going to influence people. Like to believe what he believes.

Yeah.

And I think Candace Owens is like that same type. And I don't know, she's just so well spoken, dude. Like, it's is very.

Well, let's say like Candace Owens wipes the floor with them. Right. Okay, great. Like convincing when they're in that room. Now if you flip that and Chris Cuomo wipes the floor with her just because of the audience that will be in that room. I bet Candace Owens would still vote. Would like get the most votes. Like if you had to place it up to events. There's so much.

No, but just in general, like, if you're asking the room after, like, oh yeah, they'll still side with Candace owns regardless of how it goes down.

Right. Just because so much of the room is already brought in.

Her.

Her views.

Yeah.

I'M the same way. I'm not acting like I'm above it, but I'm just saying, like, that's the reality of, like, these debates.

It's like you're just gonna. For sure.

What's the. The, like, is there a specific thing they're debating or is it just like, hey, regular. Just a bunch of current event stuff.

Yeah, that's it.

That's it.

I will say pbd probably like the best moderator.

Best moderator.

Best moderator.

Yeah. I. I hope one day he gets.

Tomorrow because he's actually got, like, the presence to like, really, like, stop.

Yeah, Like, I. I wish one day he'd moderate something between, like, a Trump and Obama or a Trump and Biden.

Like my Michelle Obama ticket.

No, she already said.

She said. She literally came out yesterday.

Yeah, like, literally the other day they asked her. She said no. So it would be a crazy switch rate of lying.

I mean.

Yeah, I know, but at this point, it's like, there's not much time.

Hit her gender for 20 years, bro.

Terrible, bro. It's my girl.

Dan's always like, Michelle truck you in Oklahoma, bro.

Probably I'd let her tackle me.

Yeah.

Oh, man. Anyways, my second bullet point. What do I got here? What are you guys drinking right now? Do you know?

Just red wine.

No idea.

Yeah, but, you know, if it's like a. It's a. Is a cab.

It's definitely cob.

Okay.

I only drink cow. I don't like any other wine.

You like a little bit more dry?

Yeah, yeah.

I hate, like, sugary wine. Nasty. Yeah, yeah.

Okay. That's wine talk.

That was one bullet point.

That was Sean o' Malley ever lose again?

Yes, absolutely. He's an all time great entertainer, not an all time great fighter. I think he'll beat Cheeto.

I agree with that. I feel like he already lost one of the last fights and he won.

It was like, versus Peter Yan.

Arguably. Like, he should have not won that.

Yeah, it was. It was very difficult.

I knock out the last guy.

Oh, yeah.

Versus Al Jermaine Sterling, which he was the biggest underdog in. Just caught him right off the bat. It was such a great fight. I love Sean o', Malley, but I think Rob will probably eat him up whenever that fight happens. Rob Dwashwali. Is that just killed that last name? You just know ufc, so Marab has actually been the top guy for a long time. He just doesn't have, like, he's actually doing better now with his. His social media whatnot, but he doesn't have that Large personality, where, like, he's. He's killed Yan. He's killed basically every competitor in that group. The only person he hasn't fought and beat is Al Jama and Sterling because they're best friends. Like, they will. They refuse to fight each other because they've been training partners for so long.

Who is it? Jose? What's his face?

Aldo?

No. Who's the Miami guy? Flying knee.

Masvidal. Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Jorge. Jorge Masvidal.

Colby Covington. Right. They were best buds.

Yeah.

For a long time. But I mean, Colby just I far. That's maybe like my least favorite fighter.

Yeah.

In the ufc. And so many people are like, yo, Trump.

Like, I think it was a play for a while until the last fight. That was the end of it.

Yeah.

And also it was like, so everybody. What's like a huge red flag for me is like, this guy's completely different. Different. Like, he's the nicest guy. Like, very soft spoken.

Yeah.

Until he turns it on. Which one? I don't like. I feel like, dude, be yourself. Like, I mean, Jon Jones, questionable character, but he really is just a psychopath, which in some rights I respect. But after the last fight when he got his ass beat and he had put his hands up and he was like, oh, it's like the Democrat. Like, he. He started blaming like the Illuminati and like just all, like all this. Yeah, that was. That was like, you lost. Everybody saw you lost.

That was bad. Yeah, I didn't like that at all. He very dislikeable. Wait, so would Murab get the next fight then? Whoever wins.

Absolutely. Whoever wins this week, like, it's crazy that he hasn't gotten. The only reason that Sean o' Malley got the title shot versus Al Jermaine Sterling before him is just because of.

Popularity and because you said he wouldn't fight Sterling anyways.

Yes, yes. But like, at some point that was like the collision course. Right? They. They. This has to happen.

Yeah, yeah.

Because he's just been. He's. He's been the number one contender.

Is Nigano gonna fight Jones or not?

Ngannou's fighting tomorrow.

Anthony Joshua versus Anthony Joshua. And then he has a MMA fight versus Ryan Bader, which is during the pfl.

It's a PFL fight. Yeah.

So maybe. I mean, Jon Jones was at the last PFL fight. He was out in Saudi Arabia. Had like the fucking.

The princes.

Yeah, yeah.

He had everybody out there, so it could happen. I think at this point, Dana White is like a. A pretty staunch negotiator. And like, seems like a guy who doesn't allow people to walk all over him. I think it wouldn't be Ngannou coming back. I think it'd have to be John probably having two more fights in the ufc, finishing up his contract and then going to the pfl.

Yeah, just to him up.

I don't know, bro. I think in Ganu, he's got no.

More fights after this. Like, Jon Jones has beat everybody. Like, okay, he beat Stipe. Cool. Like that's the best heavyweight of all time. He just beat past his prime, of course. But then he.

I wish he fought Ngannou like when Ngannou was in his heyday in the ufc, because that would have been. I think that would have been like an actual good fight.

Yeah, but Ngannou's lost against guys that Jon Jones was.

He lost his T B, didn't he?

Yeah, yeah.

First fight.

So we'll see what happens. But I think. I think in Ghana was more so just focused on getting a bag, which. Why wouldn't you.

I don't blame him. The dude was growing up in like coal mines, right.

The crate. The crazy thing is that he almost beat Tyson Fury very, very close.

Yeah, he knocked him down.

He came closer than any boxer has besides Deontay Wilder in the one fight, that first fight.

Yeah, yeah. I'm excited to see the. The Joshua fight because Joshua, bro, it.

Is no.

Tomorrow or tomorrow.

Nobody watched Tyson Fury version. Ghana got extremely low ratings.

It was a weird time though.

It's like my dad said, like when.

Yeah.

Cuz it was over. I think it was overseas, right?

Yeah.

My dad, someone like Tyson Holyfield were in their heyday. Dude. Nuts.

Tyson. They just announced today. Tyson's fighting Jake Paul.

Yeah. That's stupid.

Why?

60 year old man, bro. What do you mean, dude?

Have you seen him recently training? He still got it, bro.

It's just like ch.

Would you pay for that pay per view?

Absolutely. Everyone's gonna. You can say you're not now, but the day of the fight, everyone's gonna be talking about. It's on Netflix.

Yeah, it's also on stream East.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Everything is.

Yeah, good point. I mean, I don't know if I'll.

Actually pay for it, but it's interesting because Garcia fights Haney.

Yep. I don't know if that fight will actually happen though. Off the rails.

Yeah.

It's insane.

It could be a good fight promo though.

It.

Oh, I think it definitely is.

Like he's been trending every point. It's like Far from fight promo, though. It's more so like this dude is.

Oh, he's going through real, real.

It's not anything to do with Haney. Like, it's not like they're going at it.

Yeah.

In that division, like, it's like everybody kind of plays for the top spot, but it's just Javante Davis is. Is the best. Like, clearly he beats like, Haney is still undefeated.

It's like the nostalgia of, like, the OG boxing, bro.

Haney's undefeated.

So good.

But Lomachenko beat him.

It's good. But you think old boxing or current day UFC?

I mean, probably UFC.

Yeah.

Tough to know. It's like LeBron James or Michael Jordan.

LeBron.

We weren't.

It's not tough to know. It's already settled.

Honestly, like, the Tyson fight seemed lit in theory, but he would just knock the guy out first round. That'd be it.

Yeah.

Until. Who was the. Who's the first? Buster Douglas.

Buster Douglas.

Buster Douglas was like the big upset where, like, he first lost.

Trainer died, though. Mike Tyson.

Yeah.

Bad influences. That's probably. That's what's going on. Ryan Garcia. No, but I'm saying, like, bad influences.

Train drive. That was it. No more.

Yeah.

Didn't he get the face tattoo after that too? Or was that way later?

That was way after.

Damn.

He bit near, though.

Yeah.

The guy's heroes.

That was wild, bro. I'll never forget hearing about that in, like, St. John's Middle School.

You're like, what?

Yeah, a fighter.

Bit of guy.

The guy's ear off.

It's the coolest story.

Yeah. Coolest story ever.

It's like a David Goliath. It sounds like a fable, right?

Like, it's like, no way.

Yeah.

It's like, how much of the year? How much of the year?

I forget who the boxer was, but there was some. I'm not gonna think of it.

Great story. That was all. There's Christian's first bullet point.

I mean, I have two great bullet points.

All right, go ahead.

I already pulled them up.

Which ones?

Candace Owens, Chris Cuomo, and then the Sean o'. Malley. Two great discourses.

That was good. That.

Those are good. Yeah. I think we covered a lot of ground in this one.

We did. So far, so good. The one question that I have for you guys, this is. This is a really, really good question here. LeBron James or Michael Jordan?

Not engaging.

It's LeBron James, bro.

Not engaging.

40,000 points.

I know, it's crazy.

Think of how many points.

That is crazy.

You know I saw that was the craziest stat off of that. I just wanted to bust Christian's balls for a second. But this is actually insane. Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, combined, It was like 39,200 points.

Draymond Green just passed Larry Bird and all time three pointers.

That's cool.

That's insane.

Yeah, that is back to what you were saying.

Yeah.

39,000 points between the two of them. He scored more than both of them combined. That's the crazier one. I don't know if it was 358 or 368, but it took him three holes, 258 games to score his first 10,000 points. 0 to 10,000. And it took him from 30 to 40,000. 358 games. The exact same amount of games. Which means it's not just him playing long and like longevity. Like longevity. It's no. Like, he literally hasn't slowed.

Yeah, he just taking the same amount of games. It's like 26, 7 and 7 averages every year. Every single season.

How old is he? 21st season.

20Th, I think.

June 21st, Jordan would have hit 40,000. 16.

What if. Yeah, but Jordan was at the blackjack table.

Respect.

Getting certain.

Respect.

Loved ones killed.

All right. That's wild.

I love how every time there's an argument you bring up, you can't do that.

That one I can't get behind.

It's.

You have no proof.

I can't make a conspiracy theory.

I can make a conspiracy.

Bohemian Grove.

LeBron cheats on his wife. I could say that.

Okay, it's fine. Doesn't cheat on his. On himself on the off season.

You're just shifting the goalposts all over the place.

But it is crazy. I guess. He spends $2 million a year the same as, like, the. Who's the one guy who wants to live forever? Brian Johnson. Brian Johnson. He spends the same on his body as him.

That's crazy.

Think about that.

Yeah, it's not that insane.

Some people are also just built different. Like, it makes like 50 million a.

Year off his body, at least.

Yeah, but like, where does the 2 million go?

Go?

Like, what can you do?

That's what I'm saying, though. It's just like the. The dedication year over year, when he could quite literally off and go on a yacht every single off season and have the best time in the world. Like, look at McGregor right now. Like, he's got a Lamborghini yacht. A Lamborghini yacht. Like, you know how tempted that is? Because LeBron can get eight of those.

LeBron just loves the attention, bro.

Oh, he just loves the game.

He loves the game. What do you mean, the attention?

It's. It's not a game, bro. It's more than a game.

More than a game.

Such a great.

Like a. Make a movie about that or something.

But no, some people. A lot of it has to just be like, God given though, you know, I was watching was an interview with DK Metcalf.

Okay.

Like, if you think of, like, who's like, the biggest freak of the NFL.

So he's analogy for you. If you have two business owners.

Yeah.

And one of them gets to a million ARR. And exits his company in a year, and the second guy takes 5 years to get to 800k. ARR. Which one do you respect more?

I would respect the first guy more.

Right.

But why would you say 800k when he scored like, more.

He's still chasing the six rings and he's never gonna get it.

We're talking about points.

We're talking about points.

We go by points.

Stay on topic. Yeah, just stay on topic.

I know. That's what counted.

We're talking about the 40,000.

All right.

Points are more similar to dollars.

Yeah.

Easily 100. 100.

I mean, what do you want? $6?

All right. Crazy good podcast.

But DK Metcalf, this is actually insane. His diet. Every single day. He said he'll get up, he'll work out, he'll, you know, drink some water, maybe have a protein shake, work out some more. Then he eats two bags of candy, like, a large bag of Starbursts and a large bag of, like, airhead gummies.

Sounds awful.

And then they'll hold him over to dinner, and he eats dinner. This is one meal. But his whole. His whole thing, he says, one cup of coffee, two bags of candy, one meal like that. That can't be good for you.

How do you get that big, though, with that little food?

It's genetics.

Yeah.

Right. So it's like, there's gotta be some of that in LeBron, too. Because I've heard a lot of people say LeBron's got kind of like a crazy diet too. Like, he'll drink wine all the time. You'll eat whatever the he wants.

But it's not fair, man.

I know. Just like us physical specimens, man. It's not. It's not fair because you got guys like Christian.

It was a.

That's crazy, bro.

He didn't even fight back on it. I was just joking with him. And he just took it.

I admit it.

My metabolism sucks, bro.