Chris Reynolds built a podcast empire interviewing founders across $100k to $100B valuations, then turned it into a paid community and mastermind groups. Billionaires are driven by fear of a half-lived life, not money. He learned from them that single focus for a decade beats chasing shiny objects.
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I'm curious, talk us through your backstory. How did you get started?
I would say entrepreneurial journey kind of launched when I read the book The 4-Hour Workweek.
So how did you change the business model?
I just decided to launch a podcast to tell those stories.
What gave you that itch to explore high performance?
That's my biggest fear too, and I didn't know it up to that point in my life.
Now you focused on longevity or muscle building?
For me, that's most important is longevity and agility.
Any biggest failures which you would like to share? Always follow the money.
The money never lies.
What inspires you, Chris?
Well, I love just supporting people in their business growth.
What's going on? What's going on, everybody who's actually listening to this podcast right now? First of all, guys, welcome back to another episode of The Nikhil Sai Show, which is hosted by me, The Nikhil Sai. And guess what's going on today? We're back with another amazing guest. The guest who we are actually jumping on is not just a normal business person like we typically talk about. This guy is an entrepreneur, a visionary who also running a podcast, and he has interviewed over 500 entrepreneurs on his show. I'm not just talking about normal guests, I'm talking about billion-dollar company founders. And this is going to be an exciting podcast, so make sure to tune in. If you're an entrepreneur and you want to build a high-performance routine and you want to get more clear on what you would like to achieve and get tactical advice with amazing stories, this is a podcast for you to definitely tune in. Now we are talking to the creator of the Business Method Podcast and the man behind M3 Founders Club. Let's not waste any time and actually let's welcome Chris Reynolds. Hey Chris.
Hey Nick, how's it going? I'm excited to be here and excited to make a great podcast with you.
Yeah, absolutely, brother. I mean, Chris, what have you not done? I mean, you've been featured in, you know, Inc. and you've been featured in Tropical MBA Podcast, DNX Podcast, Authority Factor. Wellpreneur. I mean, you've been everywhere, brother, and you've been interviewing all these amazing entrepreneurs. We are stoked to get into the learnings, uh, because I personally feel connected because I run a podcast and I built a million-dollar marketing agency by doing it, by learning from other people. And I believe this is one of the best ways to equip knowledge and also share knowledge as well. Before we get into the podcast realm and, you know, high-performance stuff and all the tactical stories we could get into, I'm curious, talk us through your backstory. How did you get started? What actually made you to come into the podcasting, what actually made you to build the M3 Club overall? I'm stoked. So walk us through your backstory from the beginning to what's going on.
Yeah, I mean, my, I would say entrepreneurial journey kind of launched when I read the book, The 4-Hour Workweek, and I'm sure you're familiar with it. And a lot of entrepreneurs have changed their lives because of that book. And so when I read it, it opened my eyes to the ability, you said you're living in Dubai now. I actually, after I read that book, started an online business and I became a digital nomad for about 10 years and lived all over the world, had an amazing time, you know, knocked off so many bucket list dreams. But while doing it, I realized, and this is, you know, I started traveling in 2011, so this is 13 years ago now. While doing it, there wasn't a lot of people that were building communities for digital nomads back then. And I saw all these amazing people as I was traveling, build businesses online, but they had no place to go and be together as like a community. So I started a business. Yeah. And I started a business and this is back in 2014. So 10 years ago, I started a business called the Entrepreneur House and we would go and we'd live in different cities around the world for 1 month at a time as entrepreneurs. We'd set goals together. We'd enjoy the cities. We'd, you know, go to Barcelona, Thailand, Rio de Janeiro, all these fun places. And it was fun. It was a really fun business. However, to scale that business to make it a really scalable small business, you know, it needed a lot of different tweaks and a lot of things that I didn't want to do to scale it into, you know, a very, very successful company. So I decided to, so I ran that for a few years, but during that time we were getting so many great success stories from the people coming and staying in the Entrepreneur House that I just decided to launch a podcast to tell those stories and, and to share testimonials. And, and then I turned it into what is now the business method because I just enjoyed, like yourself, Nick, I just enjoyed interviewing entrepreneurs. The thing that I wanted to do a bit differently because I wanted to keep seasons in my, my strategy for growing the podcast. So my very first season that I had, this was after about 50 shows or so, my first season was 100 interviews with 100 people that have built $100,000 businesses online. And higher. And so I did those 100 episodes and then I was like, this is fun, let's see if we can go, you know, the next step up. So then I did 100 episodes with 100 people that have built a million-dollar businesses online. And then after we finished that season, then I was like, well, let's do 8 and 9 figures, this sounds fun. So then I started to do, so I did 100 episodes with 100 people that had built 8 and 9-figure companies. And then I was like, well, what's the next step? $100 billion companies. Let's do that. So I started that and now we're in the process of that series of $100 billion founders. And this one has been, although I've enjoyed all the other cities, the series we've done, this one has been the most fun. I'll be honest with you.
Yeah. I mean, we could learn the most from billionaires. You know, they should have gone through so much more. I mean, the magnitude of the knowledge and wealth and wisdom they might have is comparatively more than typical entrepreneur, and that's why they're successful. And I'm glad that, you know, you are actually leveling up and, you know, like increasing the bar for entry. That just inspired me to do better with my podcasting overall. So I'm stoked. That's so very interesting overall. So you were interviewing these people. And so how did you change the business model into— so like all of the community is just tuning to the podcast right now. Is that like the main way? Or do you have any way to actually monetize this audience? Or is there any community which is going on along with the podcast? I'm curious on the business aspect of this.
Yeah, what I originally did when I didn't want to do the Entrepreneur House anymore is I took all the goal setting and performance and productivity content that we were sharing in the Entrepreneur House and I put it online. And I launched a bunch of courses. I did some consulting on my own. And grew it that way. And we did it online for a few years. And then when COVID happened, I had a big network and we use, we have sponsors on the podcast, but I stopped taking sponsorships because I use it just for in-house sponsoring or marketing for our own business. And so when COVID happened, I launched masterminds for people that were in crisis mode during COVID And that actually turned into the community that we have now, M3 Founders Club. And so after those masterminds were going along, people in the group, they said, hey, we'd like to do some live events. So then we started doing a couple, 2 to 3 live events per year. And then we made it a full paid-on community. We kept our events going. And so that's what we're up to now.
I love that. That's so cool. So that's a very interesting way to turn around the entire business upside down and still keep the vibe of the community and keep the spirit alive. That's so refreshing to actually hear. Chris, I'm curious, you're very focused, or I would say you're particular on understanding like the high performance overall and getting the best out of individuals. And I could relate to that message because I always like to push my ability overall. And I just like, if I have the fullest potential, you know, in this body, why not just fully get it out? Why not just convert it into an output instead of just sitting on the couch and watching Netflix? So I'm curious, What gave you that itch to explore high performance in the first place? And what I would say belief systems you have around entrepreneur performance in general?
Yeah, so one of the guys I interviewed a while back is Laird Hamilton. And I don't know if you're familiar with him, but he's probably— he's like the Michael Jordan of big wave surfing. He's one of the top big wave surfers, one of the first guys to ever surf the big waves. And he's been a hero of mine. Um, so when I got to interview him, it was quite fun. Um, but also like a pinnacle in my life. But anyway, way back in the day, like, you know, say this is 2007, I saw him on an interview and they asked him, well, aren't you scared of these big waves that you're surfing? You know, these are like 60-foot waves, 70-foot waves, 100-foot waves. And he goes, no, I'm not really. Like, there's fear there, but it's not my biggest fear. And they asked Laird, what's your biggest fear? And he said, my biggest fear is a half-lived life. And that like hit me, like it hit me right in my soul. And I was like, that's my biggest fear too. And I didn't know it up to that point in my life. So high performance comes around because of that fear, that fear of living a half-lived life. And just Laird said this actually on the podcast when I asked him about it. I said, you know, like, what does that mean to you living a half-lived life? And he goes, well, just generally having the awareness. Like I set goals to go out and surf big waves, to launch a business, you know, to do all these cool things to help people, but having the awareness that you don't want to live a half-lived life really kind of makes you more in tune to living a full life. And I go, that makes sense. And so I particularly, like I have a goal setting method that I use every quarter and I always set a mental goal, emotional goal, a spiritual goal, and a physical goal. And that keeps me balanced. It keeps me focused on relationships. It keeps me focused on my fitness, keeps me focused on my spiritual life and also my business life too. Right. And, and setting those goals really kind of just, when you have goals like that and you commit to them and you're focused on them, you tune into high performance. It's as a natural thing because those are important for you. And those goals, those 4 goals are like wheels on a car. You know, if one goal, if you don't have a great physical life, or you're not healthy, you may have all the money in the world and you may have, you know, great relationships. But if you're not healthy, it won't last that long, you know, and you're not going to enjoy it as much as you can if you were healthy, right? And vice versa. If like your mental goal or your business goals suck, like you have no money, but you have great health, like we all know people that go to the gym all the time that have no money, great people, but also they're limited in what they can do with their life. So you need to have fulfillment in all 4 of those areas to really have a fulfilled life, right? And I'll tell you a story, like, I'll circle back. One of the billionaires that we interviewed is a guy named Drayton McClain. He built a wholesale grocery business to $19 billion, and he owned the Houston Astros baseball club, and he was good friends with Sam Walton. His company actually provides all the groceries for Walmart around the world. And so, uh, they were good friends for a long time and we went to visit Drayton. He told us this story. He said, you know, um, Sam was in his 70s. We knew he had cancer, but he called me up one day and he said, hey, Drayton, I'd like to go on one more bird hunt. Their hobby, they're from Texas, right? Well, Sam's Arkansas, Drayton's from Texas, so they like to go hunting. Oh, they said, uh, he said, I'd like to go on one more bird hunt with you, you know, before it's all over. And he said, I think I got one more in me. So he drove down or flew down to Texas. And Drayton went out and they went to the field. They were in their pickup truck. They got their guns out and they walk out about 100 meters or so. And Sam sits down and he starts crying. You know, at this point, this is in the '90s, I believe. Sam was the richest man in the world, you know, could do anything that he wanted, left billions to his children and his family. Did a lot of greatness in the world and he's in his 70s with cancer and he starts crying and he's out of breath and Drayton goes, what's wrong, Sam? And Sam goes, man, I would give all my money back to have my health at this point in my life. You know, the richest man in the world saying that. And when Drayton told us this story, we all got goosebumps. You know, it was like, oh yeah. While the money is amazing and important and the other billionaires that I've interviewed say the same thing, billionaires and billion-dollar founders. While it's important and it's fun, you know, to go out and make a lot of money and to have this drive and this ambition. At the end of the day, if you don't have your health, if you don't have your relationships, if you don't have like, you know, if you can't lay your head down at night and be comfortable with the life that you're living, like none of it's worth it, right? And Sam Walton is a perfect testament to that.
Wow. That's a beautiful story, Chris. I mean, it just makes this clear point. I mean, you know, at what cost you're willing to win, but is it worth paying the price of your health in the first place to get the wealth which you don't need, which you obviously want to trade back for your health? So wow, that's really an ultimate thing. Yeah, you know, I have like my Whoop and my Apple Watch both at the same time for a reason. Yeah, I'm kind of getting more nerdy, right? Like from the situations where I am coming from, you know, I come from nothing. We, we were raised as a family of 4, you know, including my parents, in one room overall. You know, it's a very small house, you know, in entire city, entire country in India, like middle of nowhere. Yeah. Coming from that scarcity, I remember myself hustling 18-hour days, like, you know, on laptops and like everything, you know, to get— but yeah, once you get a comfortable life and you have your basic necessities covered, you don't need to like hustle through and just bustle up yourself. You know, I was focused more obviously on the longevity stuff, on, on interesting topics of power loss, of sleeping well, eating well. I don't drink anything other than water right now. It just changed my life. I, I think more clearly than ever before. I'm just more conscious, and I only eat clean food. It, it's just transformation. So we'll definitely dive into some exciting stuff, but that's very interesting. So Chris, walk us through what are you working on overall? Like, take— like, we'll talk about the goal-setting method, obviously, which is very interesting. But before that, I'm curious, when you're looking at your own personality, like, we always want to trade. I would trade every dollar I ever have in my life or made. I'm going to make as well if somebody comes and guarantees me that I'm going to live until 120, right? Like, I'm happy to do that. I just know I could make a better world overall, and that's all matters. Money doesn't matter. I'm curious, what are the things you are practicing actively to keep your health active, to make you in the best shape or best life possible? And are you focused on longevity or muscle building? What's like the key for you overall? How do you measure yourself?
For me, that's most important is, is longevity and agility. I don't care that much about strength. I'm actually naturally a stocky guy, so strength was never an issue for me. I know some people it is. I don't, but I don't worry too much about strength. I like being agile. I like to have movement. I like to be able to move however I want, when I want. And so the main thing for me, really, the past 6 or 7 years is jiu-jitsu. And I've been a practitioner of jiu-jitsu and I train regularly. I have a competition coming up in a couple of weeks, so I'm cutting weight. I'm doing keto diet. I kind of feel like, yeah, like a UFC fighter or something trying to cut weight to make these fights. Right. And, and, you know, like, like I'm over 40 as well. And for me, as long as I have my agility, flexibility and to feel youthful, you know, all this is important. But also I want to be able to do jiu-jitsu until my 50s. 60s, right? So you have to maintain all of that. For me, the best— for, for me, it's been the absolute best exercise that I have ever found, and I'll tell you why. I used to be a runner. I did a lot of running, a lot of push-ups, a lot of, you know, squats, a lot of like— I was never a gym guy. I never liked weights, but I did like going out and running up and down a mountain and mountain biking up and down a mountain. But the thing is, what you get with jiu-jitsu— have you ever practiced jiu-jitsu before, Nick?
No, I'm definitely considering as I'm listening. I'm like, oh, maybe I should try it.
There's, there's a reason there's such a popularity. There's a popularity around jiu-jitsu now, especially for guys. When you practice jiu-jitsu, not only do you practice strength training because you're fighting somebody, but you're practicing thinning muscles you had no idea that you needed to strengthen, right? You're also practicing cardio because you're rolling and you're fighting somebody. So it's almost a forced cardio. In a forced strength training. I work harder in a jiu-jitsu gym than I ever would in a regular gym or going on a run because I have somebody on top of me that I want to, you know, beat and I want to get this person off of me. And so I don't think about my cardio. I don't think about my strengths or weaknesses. It's just like adrenaline, right? And it takes you to another level. The next thing, you know, to do jiu-jitsu is you have to be flexible, right? You can't be a stiff, non-flexible person and do jiu-jitsu and roll around on those mats. And get in those positions like you'd pull, pull body parts all the time. The other thing is, is mental conditioning. So there's a strategy in jiu-jitsu that's similar to chess, and chess is a very healthy sport. But on top of that, and neuroscientists say that, is that the people that generally live the longest are people that play racket sports. So like tennis, ping pong, racquetball, these types of sports. Now jiu-jitsu has, has that as well, because what it's doing when you play racket sports, it's firing different areas of the brain that are instinctual. And but also at the same time, you have to act in a very rapid way. So you have to think fast, but you have to use your instincts as well. The same thing happens in jiu-jitsu when you're doing a roll or you're fighting somebody. You have to think very fast and you have to be very instinctual. And then the next thing is emotional control. Like, you have to be able to control your emotions. If not, you'll get upset because you lost and you'll throw a little fit. And nobody likes that guy in the gym. Nobody respects that person. And then they'll just get smashed again and somebody else will beat them up again and so on and so forth. So when you practice jiu-jitsu, you're literally getting like a stack of 6 or 7 skills at once. And that's why I really think it's gained a ton of— well, on top of that is confidence. Because if you know, if you physically know you can protect your family or your girlfriend or your wife, or you can take out somebody that's being aggressive, you know, 3 months in jiu-jitsu and you could probably control and submit probably 80% of the people in the world. And so that, like, if you just give yourself, yeah, 3 months of hard training in jiu-jitsu, good training, it's amazing, you know, how much you learn to control another human. And, and so you get all of those on top of that. Plus, like, you know, if I ever have a bad day or I'm depressed or, you know, you know, business is crap that day or whatever, go to jiu-jitsu and there's never a bad day because you just feel so dang good afterwards. You, you're, you get all these endorphins. Here's another thing, and, and this is not in India so much as North America, but people in North America, the average person in the United States touches another human being 6 times a day. And can you guess what the average person in the world, how many times they touch another human? You're from India, so you should know. It's definitely more than 6, but What are your thoughts?
And maybe like 15?
I don't know. No, no, no. The average human touches another human over 106 times a day, right? So you think about a mother and her baby or a family with kids. They're always touching. They're playing. They're wrestling. They're making food. They're giving hugs. They're doing all this thing. This is what most people live like, right? You can imagine the people in India, you know, hugging. You have people in Italy kissing each other and all the time, right? And so, so in the United States, in a lot of North America, a lot of the Western world, there's a significant lack of touch. And especially because we're all online, it's horrible. It's absolutely horrible for our, our emotions, for our neurochemicals, for, for all the things. And so when you go to jujitsu, you get to touch humans. Now they're sweaty dudes usually, but at the same time, there's, there's, which isn't what everybody wants to do, but at the same time, there's something, you know, like you think about kids. Or, or small animals, they just wrestle. It's natural for them to wrestle and play around and roll around on the floor and try to tackle each other, right? Animals do this, humans do this, and there's a natural part of jiu-jitsu that, that fulfills a need in our technological world that we don't have. So that's my— that's where, where I go for health.
I love that. I love that. That's pretty interesting. I mean, I haven't taken this up as a challenge. I've been considering something like, you know, MMA or kickboxing or jiu-jitsu, something specific as a life skill. And I moved to Dubai for a reason, so there's zero crime here actually. Like, I've never seen somebody shouting at somebody here, so which is a good thing. But I believe it's a good skill. I challenge myself to definitely explore this, and I'll keep you posted on my progress.
Yes, please.
Jiu-jitsu, what are the things you are into? Like, do you have any power laws which you personally follow? Like cold plunge or any nitty-gritty stuff you are into a little bit, like sauna or sleeping? Or any particular supplements which are kind of helping you with your biomarkers? Or are you like only just like jiu-jitsu and like that's like 80% of the game? How, how does that look like?
Well, I, I actually take a spa after every time I do jiu-jitsu. So 2 to 3 times a week and actually more like 3 times a week because my coworking has a spa and a cold plunge and a sauna in it. And so it's great. I go to the jiu-jitsu gym right after I go to the spa. Take cold plunges, take saunas. These are very important in my life for recovery as well. And then I just like take a shower and I go up to the coworking and work the rest of the day. Yeah, like I'm, I love biohacking. I've been, I've done tons of brain scans and neurofeedback. I've been cold plunging since 2018. I do, you know, 5 or 6 a week cold plunges before the sauna. Yeah, actually, yeah. Deep breathing, all this stuff, but it's all really about emotional management and, and getting, being in the right state so you can produce and do the things you want to enjoy life. Right. And yeah, and I'm also like, when I dove deeply into neuroscience, you start to really understand the brainwaves and where your brain is when it's stressed and feeling anxiety and fear versus where your brainwaves are when you're in a flow state versus when you're, where your brainwaves are when you're meditating. Right. And that really helped me to visualize how to go from anxious state, fear state, reactionary state to a more flow state. And you do that through— I do that personally through taking little breaks. I do that through regular cold plunges, cold showers. I do that through meditating, or if I have a little bit of time, just taking some deep breaths for a few minutes and stepping away from the computer before I come back to work.
Yeah. I love that, Chris. I mean, you're talking about a few important factors here. It's like, you know, for I believe 1 hour of focused work is more important than entire week of just bustling. That's just my personal view because I have seen like, okay, like if you're just like zoned in for 1 hour, you could just get more stuff done. You could generate more revenue, more leads, more client success, more business, and build a better strategy for your business than you doing just your day-to-day operations and firefighting for the entire week and nothing would actually happen. So I'm curious, do you have, because you talk to a lot of entrepreneurs and you've been running your own business, from for decades now. I'm curious, what has been like your playbook to get into the focus mode, the zone mode, where you're actually getting stuff done? How would that look like overall?
Yeah, well, there's a lot of things that I've done over the years, but nowadays what it looks like, like the first thing I do when I wake up is I go up to our roof and get some sunshine and do a little meditation. So that helps drop me in a state. But the most important thing to get into the focus state for me nowadays, at least, is just to really have a goal that I'm ambitious about, that I'm hungry for, that I really want to do. Of course, I do the music, like I use Brain.fm to have the flow state music. I make sure like my phone is nowhere near me. Our brains are really kind of— our brain thinks about checking our phone on average about 6 times per 10 minutes. right? And so you're thinking in an hour. Yeah, it's huge. Yeah. And so you're thinking in an, if you're not in a flow state on a regular, on a regular, regular time, right? So if you're thinking in flow, if you're not in flow state, then, then, or if that phone's around you, then you're thinking about it so much more. Now what happens is when your phone is either off or it's at least 6 feet, 2 meters away from you, then the, your brain actually reduces massively the amount of time that it thinks about that phone. So I turn my phone off. I usually keep my apps off until noon every day. I usually keep it on airplane mode until about noon every day, and that helps me start the day off right. Like, I can have a good focus like that, knock some things off in the morning, and then I do my— and working, those are the bigger goals that I work on in the morning in the business or on the business. And then in the afternoon, I work in the business, you know, I focus on emails, catching up with messages, little annoying things that we have to do in our business that none of us want to do, but it's just part of having a business. So that really kind of keeps me in a flow state.
Makes sense. Wow, that sounds interesting. Chris, like I believe one of the biggest success, like the most successful traits I have seen in entrepreneurs from the ones I've interviewed and from the ones I'm learning from is they have high self-discipline. And you sound like somebody who has, I would say, a controlled life, meaning you're very conscious about what you're getting yourself into. You're not that guy who says, oh, you only live once, let's just run through life the way we want. Like you're more conscious. And I believe having that self-discipline is a key factor for successful people because like they control the destiny, they control the process, and they have a method to the madness. So I'm curious, in the business you are in, there are so many shiny objects. You could constantly launch new offers, new things, new partnerships. New XYZ things. How do you keep yourself out of that and just stay disciplined? What tips and tricks you actually have for the entrepreneurs who are listening in? Because this is probably the biggest problem. Most people who are stuck, they're always coming back with new idea every week and trying to work on it, but they don't have one single idea which is constantly working in the first place.
Exactly. I'll tell you, I've had to learn this the painful way because I chased too many shiny objects and chasing too many shiny objects, like it just didn't give me the success success that I wanted. And then I'd get it, I'd get in, you know, us visionary entrepreneurs, we have a great idea every 2 days. And a lot of times we get excited about it. And we're like, oh, this thing, this thing, this thing, you know, this has been a big help. One, the painful lesson of not having the success that I wanted has really given me the discipline to focus on less. And Sometimes you just have to learn that lesson the hard way. The other thing is while interviewing these billion-dollar founders, the commonality amongst all of them is all of them are really focused on one thing. They're focused on one thing until that one thing is so damn successful, and then they can move on to the other and they can throw some investments into other stuff or they exit that company, right? I interviewed Jeff Hoffman, who's the founder, or he's a, he's a, one of the founding partners that created Priceline, and he also invented the airport kiosk. So he's the guy that can check in because we can check in on the airport kiosk and don't have to wait in those stupid lines is because of Jeff. But he also built a jazz, you know, award-winning jazz album. And then he produced a movie called Cabin Fever. And then he became a producer of concerts for Elton John. Britney Spears, Pitbull, and Justin Timberlake. And, but he did all this. He didn't do all this all at the same timeline. You know, Jeff's in his 70s. He first focused on Priceline. Priceline became, made him a billionaire. And then he started to do the other things because he had the money and the time and ambition, right? And so all of these billion-dollar founders are focused on one thing. None of them have side hustles. None of them are like, Yeah, I'm into crypto. None of them are like, oh, I've got this new NFT project. None of them are like, you know, AI, you know, jumping on the AI bandwagon, right? All of them are like, we have one thing, we're focused on our one thing, and we know that this one thing is giving a lot of value to the world. And so we're just gonna focus on that for at least like 10 years, right? And they give it a decade. And I promise you, like any entrepreneur out there that gives one business 10 years, your life is gonna change massively. Part, I said earlier, I learned this the hard way. I'll tell you how I learned it the hard way. I was selling on Amazon in 2009 and I did this for 6 months or so, 6, 7 months. And I was like, this crap doesn't work. You could imagine, imagine if I stuck with Amazon from 2009 to 2019, right? Like I'd be retired.
It would be a different story.
Yeah. Somebody would be interviewing me for my billionaire or whatever. And then I also had, like I told you, I was a digital nomad in 2011. I had a mentor at that time tell me, Chris, you should, you should start a YouTube channel and then, you know, video all your, your, your travels, make a, make a YouTube channel out of this, collect the AdSense. And I was like, no, I'm working on this niche website thing. You imagine if, you know, the 10 years I was started a digital nomad, 2011 to 2021, if I would have stuck with a YouTube channel, you know, I could have been a very, very successful YouTuber. So, so that was the painful lessons that I had to learn. And what I tell anybody that really wants success, I don't care if you're, you're 21, you're 31, you're 41, you're 51, like, pick something you like, you really like and you enjoy and give it 10 years. Now the business is going to morph and change a little bit over that 10 years. That's okay. Like, it has to. But just pick something you're really interested in and give it a decade. Your YouTube channel has a great start, Nick. Like, give that sucker 10 years and you are going to be like, you know, rubbing shoulders and hanging out with MrBeast here pretty soon. And you know that.
That means a lot. I appreciate it. Yeah.
Yeah. That's the thing. You just got to stick to it and you can really build anything you can. If you do anything long enough and loud enough, like you can make, make, you know, build your mountain however you want to. Yeah, but you got to stick to it.
Yeah, I agree. And I mean, I mean, yeah, you gave a beautiful example. Appreciate your kind words here. I think MrBeast is a great example. Like, that dude was consistently making videos for 13 years, like, and never gave up. And his videos for the first 7 years, like, sucked so bad. They get less views than any of my podcasts. So it's like, it's so like— but he was on the trial. But I really enjoyed it. One thing you really mentioned here which I really like kind of match with overall. Because when I meet an entrepreneur, you know, in Dubai or somewhere online, I try to pay attention to how they're describing their plans. So many people are usually found on these gigs, like, hey, I'm doing this thing for this one week, I make an extra $1,000. I'm like, great, but how consistent is that? Like, how reliable that is? How much more can you do that? Like, all these ideas and gigs, great, but that's not an actual business. So I like to listen to entrepreneurs who have what you said, like decade plan, like, hey, I'm trying to build this in the next 10 years. And I know like that guy will make it because he's like long-term focused and nothing can change in a day. I agree you could change working towards the goal, but the goalpost is further, you know, to actually build something meaningful, it takes time. I had to actually have a very bad lesson. I lost half a million dollars of my own cash while running my media agency. I was building a software company because I got a little excited, you know, I was like, oh, I'm making all this money, you know, what should I do now? I should start a software company, you know what? Yeah, and I did it. So it's just funny to even think about that, but great lesson overall. Um, so yeah, Chris, that was beautiful. Talk us through, uh, you know, you have interviewed some amazing, amazing guests. If you could drill down and give away like the top things you actually believe have added the most value to your listeners and yourself, what would that learning lessons be from the guests you have actually been interviewing in the past few years?
One of them was what we just spoke about is, is you focus on one thing and give it a decade, you know, and that sounds like a lot, a lot of time for a lot of people, especially if you're younger, you know, if you're in your 20s, say you're 23, 33 sounds so old, but when you're 43, 33 is like a kid. And when you're 53, 33 is like a teenager, right? And, and, and the thing is, is like anybody that I know that started you know, a business when they were young and 15, I have friends that started businesses, 15, 16, 17. They, by the time they were in their late 20s, early 30s, they, they had a lot of money. They were traveling the world. They could do whatever they wanted to do. They could buy homes, they could buy crypto, they could buy whatever they decided to buy. And they had a really, they had a really enjoyable life. So, you know, you think about, think about the previous 10 years of your life. It's really not that long ago. I mean, how old are you, Nick? You're—
I turned 23.
Okay, you're 23. So for you, 10 years ago was half your life ago, nearly. So that was a long time, right? But once you start to get a bit older, you realize 10 years, like, it wasn't that long ago, like, and you can change a lot, you can do a lot in 10 years. And if you focus on a job for 10 years, you're probably not going to be able to create the type of success that you can, whereas if you're focusing on a business for 10 years. So that's the biggest thing. They have, billion-dollar founders have blinders on. They don't care about shiny objects. They're just really focused in on their one thing. And they really believe that their one thing is doing, adding a significant amount of value to the world. So it kind of fulfills them. Some other things too is like, you know, like I ask the founders when they come on the podcast, to break their career up into chapters and to name those chapters. And a lot of people say the first 5 years of their business, one guy came on the show, Spencer Jan, he was like, my first 5 years were like duct tape and dreams. He goes, we were just like any other entrepreneurial venture and we were just strapping things together with duct tape and we just had big dreams and we just kept going and going and going. Right. And that was the first 5 years of their business. They ended up going public with their company, creating a camping brand, and it became a $2 billion company. So the first few years for any business, and you know this, Nick, I'm sure you do, are rough. Like, like you're going to go through your trials, you're going to lose half a million bucks and be like, what the hell did I just do? You know, like you're going to think about stuff like that. You're going to make mistakes, but you just got to keep at it. Some other commonalities is, you know, billion-dollar founders, they just do not have— most of them do not have limiting beliefs. So if they're like, oh, we have to raise $100 million, let's figure out how to raise $100 million. And they just think about it just as much as you would raise $1,000 or $10,000 or $100,000, right? And really the amount of energy that it takes people to raise $100 million or $500 million or whatever, is exactly the same as the amount of energy it takes to raise $100,000. You just have to find the right people. Yeah, exactly. That's it. And you create an amazing business plan, you talk to the right people, and boom, like it changes. So they don't have limiting beliefs around that. And then also, you know, to sum it up is like most every billionaire or billion-dollar founder that I've interviewed or people that have built built a company pretty much from zero to what it is today. You know, they're not the flashy billionaires that are, you know, having a mega Instagram following and trying to show off their jets and all these things. They're humble people. Like, Drayden McClain built a $19 billion company, sold it to Walmart, drives a car that's 12 years old still to this day. He owned a baseball team. You know, he doesn't have to. He's just a humble guy. Janice Bryan Howroyd, she is the first Black woman to build a billion-dollar company. Same thing. She's very humble. She's very down to earth. Jeff Hoffman, same thing, built Priceline. I think he owns the Miami football team now.
Anyway, yeah. The magnitude we are talking is insane.
Yeah. He literally, he grew up in Arizona, rural Arizona with a single mom. And he went, he got accepted to Yale and he had to pay his own way. So he started a business and when he, when he showed up as a freshman at Yale campus, a software business to pay for his tuition. And he was forced to because he was like, my tuition's $100,000 a year. So I need to make at least $100,000 this year in my business to just to pay for the the tuition, right? And so billion-dollar founders are, they're humble, you know, of course, a lot of them fly private, you know, some of them have their own jets, they can buy anything they want to in the world, but they don't, because they, they know the process of what it takes to build a billion-dollar company. They have the responsibility of thousands of jobs on their back. Whatever decision they make affects so many people's lives, their customers and their employees. Right? And that's a lot of burden to carry and it keeps them grounded in many ways where, you know, in Dubai, I'm sure you see a lot of wealth flashing around there, you know? A lot of flashiness. Yeah, and it's okay. Like, I love watches, I love great watches, I love a great suit, you know, I love a great car. But at the same time, like, it circles back and these billion-dollar founders to ask themselves, like, what am I spending my money doing? How much value is it really adding to the world and to my life? Who's it helping? Who's it hurting? And they live around those principles. They have strong values, strong principles around wealth, wealth generation, how they spend their wealth, how they make sure their wealth is affecting other people. So that was a really cool commonality that I saw amongst and I continue to see amongst these founders.
Wow.
You know, on a regular basis.
Yeah. That's really insightful, Chris. And I really like the fact that these billionaires, you know, who actually have those character traits and financial discipline actually get to a billion dollars because they have that, I would say the playbook already built on how they spend their money, how they view their money overall. But the problem I have is maybe you would agree with me on this or not. Most entrepreneurs who are just making it are kind of getting into the mode of trying to impress other persons, especially in Dubai. You know, when I go to networking events or meet somebody, all they're trying to do is like flash their stuff, which I'm completely okay with. Like, great, your watch looks amazing, but guess what? Like, it's 50% undervalued from what you bought, and you don't even have enough money to pay your rent, and you're just trying to impress other people and show up at expensive places to look good. Like, like, you're just chasing the next knew better. Yeah. Uh, to just build what exactly? So I'm kind of, uh, you know, definitely I, I'm not really into that stuff, at least, you know. Like, I, I receive a lot of texts from people saying, hey, you know, you're in Dubai, why don't you shoot some lifestyle content? I'm like, I'm not here for lifestyle, dude, I'm here for network and tax purposes. Yeah, yeah, clear disclaimer, right? Like, let's stay to the point. So I believe financial literacy is probably One of the key things people don't know, maths. It just bothers me so much. Like, you make $10,000 this month, not to spend $10,000 next month. Like, no, that's not really like a sustainable thing. So I'm curious, what kind of like education you would like to share to the entrepreneurs who are listening about financial independence? Where was your aha moment to financial independence or financial literacy? Because I read The Rich Dad Poor Dad when I was living in the one room we were living overall. Whoa. Like once I read it, I was like, I was in a lie. Like I was boxed into this stuff with a lot of limiting beliefs. We never talked about money. I didn't know tax, business, profit. This is even an option. I only thought getting a government job or working for $200. My average friend is probably unemployed or making $200 somewhere. Like that was like my life, like pathway. But like discovering this entrepreneurship was like, oh my God. And I had to, break so many limiting beliefs. And just when a million people are standing against me, I had to push through it and be like, no, like, I could make this work. Closing a client for $20,000 with a thick Indian skin, no college background, like, at 19 years, from my mom's basement, was like— like, it was like a different thing. But I had the financial literacy. Yeah, yeah, financial literacy and the right mentors around me who built the belief system. All thanks to them and my action-taking abilities, I'm here. So I'm curious, what was your moment like when you're getting into financial literacy and how do you want to advise other people who are making money, but it's not F.U. money yet and they believe they made it and they start spending it to go back to their mom's basement in 3-5 years. That sucks. I've seen a lot of entrepreneurs who make it then go back because they're not good with their money.
Yeah, it's a really good question. Same as you, Nick, like I read Rich Dad Poor Dad. It was one of the first books that I read. On financial literacy. That was a life changer for me. There was another book I read not too long after Rich Dad Poor Dad called Millionaire Mindset by T. Harv Eker. And that— I did— did you read that? You read that? Yeah.
Yeah. I have that hardcover. Pretty cool book.
That provides such a great structure on how to manage your money personally and then how you can manage it in your business once you managed it personally. But what it is and you know, but for the listeners, you know, say you get, let's just say for easy numbers, $5,000 a month, €5,000 in a month. So you take 10% of that and you divide it up in 5 different buckets or accounts, right? You've got a giving account. You've got a long-term savings for spending account. You've got an education account. You've got a spend account or an account you have to blow every month. And then there's one I'm missing. Nick, do you remember the fifth one? I think that's a savings account, official investing account. That's the investing account.
Investing account. Yep. So it's like 5 buckets.
Yep. And you put 10% of your income in each one of those and you live off 50%, right? And your rent has to fit in that, your food, yada, yada, yada, your gym membership. Car payment has to fit is the rest. That was a game changer for me. I actually, you know, did this back in the day. I actually had jars that I would put the money in back when we were dealing more with cash, right? And nowadays I have accounts, you know, in my bank account where I just move the, yeah, move the money automatically. And I think that was one of the best life-changing books for financial literacy. On my end. And I'm going to say this, you know, we did an event. So in M3, one of the reasons I interviewed these billion-dollar founders is because I like to connect people in our community, in our entrepreneur community with people, these billion-dollar founders, people, very successful people. And so two weeks ago, we did an event with a guy named Richard Koch. Richard's a billionaire. He wrote the book, The 80/20 Principle, which is also a game-changing book. But he has, for me, He has another book called The STAR Principle. Now, when it comes to business and investing, I think this is probably, probably, probably the best book I've ever read. And one of the reasons I wanted to do an event with Richard is because I wanted to meet him, but I also wanted him to look at our community members' businesses and tell us how we can improve. So The STAR Principle is basically How Richard Made $1 Billion. $1.4 billion is his net worth, but by choosing businesses to start or invest in, and he has this strategy that puts businesses in 4 different quadrants. You could be a star business, which is amazing, like the Ubers, the Apples, the Facebook, the Facebook, those companies of the world are star businesses, but you can have a smaller star business too in your home city or home in your own business niche. Then you have businesses that are cash cows. They're good businesses, they just don't provide massive amount of money. They may provide a profit, but it's a slower growth sort of profit. Those are called a cash cow. Say somebody has a hotel or an online business that, you know, makes 5% per year, year over year, year over year, right? Somebody has a hotel, they make decent money from the hotel, right? It grows 5% every year. And then you have businesses that are question marks. They could either be cash cows or stars. Or they could just be the fourth type of business, which is a dog. A dog is a type of business that's in a declining market and it's pumping cash out left and right. And for some reason, people try to stay in these businesses. Richard gets out of those businesses immediately. So when it comes to finance, why am I saying this regarding financial literacy? For the entrepreneurs out there, if you're looking to start or you have a business and you don't know if your business is a star business, or a cash cow or a question mark. Richard's system in this book, The STAR Principle, can really help you, help you hone into that. Right. And then, and then take the whatever. But it doesn't matter if you're, you know, have a services company, a product company selling on Amazon, whatever you're doing, there's a way to create a STAR business out of your business by choosing the right niche or niching down or niching up or changing the niche slightly. And if it's impossible to do that, then it's a great eye-opener to change. It's time to move businesses, do something else. I would imagine like you did really well when you started off, Nick, you had a star business somehow. Yeah, you had all the funnels, but like if you didn't pick the right niche in the right market at the right time, the business wouldn't have worked, right? And when you do that, it is like there's wind behind the sails of the business and it grows so much faster. So much more fun because you're pumping out cash and you're making lots of money, you know? And then you have half a million dollars to start a software company and lose it and then still be okay, you know?
And yeah, not worry because that's the thing. Like, I hear entrepreneurs and they want to invest in this thing or they want to start something else. My biggest question is, do you have the caliber to lose it all and withstand it? Like, I didn't lose a single night of sleep even after losing that money. That's amazing. It's like I have additional cash flow. I had to burn myself a little bit to realize that it's painful. So, okay, like I learned a lot from it. So I believe it's a great experience for me on how not to run a company, you know, which I have, which will make me more money than what I lost. So I'm not worried about that. But yeah, it's a great principle. I appreciate you sharing that overall. And I believe most businesses like emotionally running the dog businesses and they don't want to take out time and analyze if they can make, turn around their dog business into a star business. And I'm glad you're dropping some nuggets here. Chris, I'm kind of jealous of your network a little bit, you know, envy in a good way. So you're like, hey, I know this billionaire, I know that billionaire. I'm like, whoa, like, you know, I know millionaires and I became a millionaire. And I believe if anybody in the world, not just me, if they meet with enough billionaires and they learn and they execute on what they're learning and they continue to have a long-term thinking process with actual team around them who have the same vision, anybody can build a billion-dollar company. That's just my positive belief system overall. So I'm curious, how do you build this network? I've interviewed a few people who are at 9-figure level. I interviewed a guy who actually did over a billion dollars combined with some M&A stuff. I'm curious, how do you network with this billionaire? What's the best networking advice you have to get these amazing folks to work with you, to meet, to do events with you, to be on your podcast and whatnot? Walk us through your secret sauce.
Yeah, I think, you know, the only difference between you and I is just I've had more years at it than you have.
That's it.
That's it. That's it. Right. Like, at the time I wanted to interview 107-figure founders that have built online businesses, you know, I was like, I don't know if I can do this. I don't know if I can find 100 people that have built a billion-dollar company. Right. Same thing. So it's just that's the only difference, man. And just the way that, you know, you found a network of 100 millionaires, you can keep growing that. And then you put yourself in, you keep doing awesome things, like you live a great life, you keep growing your network, you seem like you're a networker, you're in Divide Network, you can make some great contacts there. And then you just kind of keep moving up the ladder of your network and it keeps growing. Go to events where people like that hang out at, or join communities. Our community is a community full of 7 and 8-figure founders. You know, I— one of the first communities I was a part of, you know, is $10,000 to go to the event. That was a high network community. It's $10,000 to go to the event. And I was like, who's going to be there?
That did it.
Okay, I'm in. Right. And I saw the contacts that I could have, and that was huge. Go to places. I lived in Austin, Texas for a couple of years. You know, a lot of very successful entrepreneurs in Austin, Texas these days. Dubai is probably very similar. Now I'm hanging out in Barcelona these days. So, you know, you just gotta go out. Yeah. Go out and meet people and shake hands and kiss babies and, you know, get them on your podcast and, you know, you'll just keep growing. Yeah.
Yeah. I love the fact that I could leverage podcasts for big connections. People, you know, ask me like, should I start a podcast? My only, like, if you want to really stay in the game and continue to do it, you should. I believe podcasting is one of the easiest or I would say most lucrative way to, to ask for connection, probably, Chris. I would not be able to talk to many people who I did speak with on this podcast if it wasn't for the show. And it just feels great for them to give a space where they can express themselves and be themselves, to be transparent. And just having that flexibility is like almost impossible these days where we are living this boxed life of routine overall. And it just feels excitement for them as well. So, okay, great. Let's get to the next set of the questions, Chris. I have Few questions before we wrap up the interview. What kind of tools do you use on a daily basis for your personal productivity and managing your projects?
Yeah, two tools up top of mind. Brain.fm. I've used Brain.fm since 2015 and 2015. I love Brain.fm. It's just focused music with binaural beats.
Interesting.
I actually am a friend of the founder now and met him along the way and I'm his biggest fan. And then the other thing is a tool called BrainTap. I actually have it right here. Can I show you? So this thing, this thing looks ridiculous. Okay. But it's amazing. I interviewed the founder of this, this company BrainTap. At the time it was a $50 million—
It looks like it's from 2050.
Right, right. It does. At the time it was a $50 million company. I think they're much more now, but what happens is you connect this to an app and you put it over your ears and there's lights in the visor and they have 20-minute meditation sessions and there's actually lights in the earphones as well here. And so there's lights in the earphones and then there's lights in your eyes and then they have binaural beats and meditative sessions connected to the app. And I saw people do this. The first time I saw people do this, it was like, this is ridiculous. I'm never going to use this.
Yeah, it's weird.
Like, yeah, it's really weird. So, so then I interviewed the founder and I got by, he told me all the neuroscience behind it and I was blown away. I was like, all right, I've got to buy one of these. His name's Patrick, Dr. Patrick Porter. I was like, how do I get one? And he goes, here, I'll give you a link and you can go buy one. And I've had this one since 2020, 2020, I think, or 2021, 2020. I've used it for like 3 and a half years now. And I use this once or twice a day. And like, I'm a seasoned meditator. I've done Vipassana. I've done darkroom meditations. I've been— I've meditated for years, right? But this thing is so next level because it's like the flashing in your eyes gets your brainwaves to a deeper state much quicker with the sound in your ears and the lights in your ears. And a 20-minute session feels like a 3-hour nap. Like, it is phenomenal. Yeah.
Yeah.
And I swear the first time I saw those, I was like, I'm never doing that. That's, that's some gimmick. That's crap. Yeah.
And then I did it. So easy to have the judgmental mindset, but yeah, that's great. Appreciate you sharing that overall. So how does your typical routine look like on a day-to-day basis, Chris? Walk us through your typical day.
Yeah, it depends if it's a jiu-jitsu day or not. So I'll give you both. My first, you know, I wake up generally, I sleep about 6.5 to 7 hours. I wake up naturally. I never wake up to an alarm. Um, and I get up and I go up to the roof. Um, and I do a meditation. I get sunlight there. Uh, 20 minutes of sunlight in the morning. It's so good for us. It's so, so good for us.
And topless?
Yeah, it depends on the weather. Like we just got out, finished the winter season here in Barcelona. It's going into summer. So if I can, then I'll take my shirt off. And then I, I, I go down and I do a little work. And then I have breakfast with my girlfriend and then I do a little bit more work. If it's a jiu-jitsu day, I have a class at 10:30, so I'll go to jiu-jitsu. And then after jiu-jitsu, which is an hour and a half class, I'll go to a, a restaurant that has like organic, healthy food. I eat there and then I go to the spa. I do 2 or 3 cold plunges with 2 or 3 saunas. And then I, I go and I co-work or work at my apartment the rest of the day. Wherever I'm at deciding to go for the day. And, um, then, and that's generally my day. Like I, I like to take, I don't like to work too late. It's 9:00 PM here, but it's still light out. So it's not too late Barcelona time. And then I like to take the last couple hours of the evening to kind of decompress and chill and relax a bit. Um, but I used to be super, super, super disciplined and very on point with my schedule and working, you know, 6 hours, 8 hours, 10 hours, 12 hours a day. And nowadays I'm just like, yeah, you know, I leave open time in every day so I can hang out with a friend, grab a coffee, do a random call, do a random podcast, you know, just, just go for a walk, whatever I feel like in that day. So I leave some open time usually in the afternoons for, for flexibility on doing some fun stuff. Saturdays are always girlfriend days and Sundays are always no plan days. So I need days where I have absolutely zero plans. And you just go with the flow. And that's my Sunday. And then Saturday's girlfriend day. And, you know, whether we decide to hang out with friends or not, but we're doing something together.
That's really cool, Chris. I appreciate you walking us through your day. I have two more questions. Do you have enough time?
Yeah, it's okay. Let's do it.
Yeah, yeah. Okay, perfect. Thank you. Appreciate that. So Chris, if you could go back and give a suggestion to 20-year-old yourself, what would that be?
I'd go back to stick with one thing for 10 years. And just focus on that for 10 years. Like, your life will change. I would also tell my 20-year-old self to— like, I started my first business when I was 27. I'd tell my 20-year-old self to start a business when you're 20.
Faster.
Yeah. And then I would say go travel the world earlier because it wasn't until I was 30 till I started traveling the world. And I would say, you know, like, just start traveling the world. Like, there's no reason not to. Go out there and see some amazing things. You can build stuff online these days. Even back then, you can build stuff online. And so that's what I would tell them.
I'm curious, this is a personal question. I like, I'm kind of guy, I actually see a lot of entrepreneurs as well. They just need a laptop and a corner and they can just grind it out. And like, I don't like going out or kind of hanging out a lot outside and I'm very, I would say conscious about where I'm spending my time. I'm curious, how did travel impact your life and perspective in general? How did that change the view you have to the world?
Well, it opened my mind even more than— like, I was never really a closed-minded person, but it opened my mind more. I've learned Spanish, I've learned a decent amount of Portuguese along the way, but also— De nada.
That's the one word I know.
Yeah. Yeah. And then, and then really the biggest thing, Nick, was that I, I wouldn't have my network if I didn't go travel. Like I'm the type of guy I could drop into Dubai, I could drop into Medellín, I could drop into Bangkok and have people there. Budapest, you know, London, New York. Like it's, you know, once you start—
Gangsters though.
Oh, not even that. It's just like, you know, you have connections and you've added value in people's lives. So, you know, and you've been to a lot of conferences and you've, participated in communities around the world. And then you just put a post on Facebook, who's in New York? I'll be there Thursday through Sunday. Let's hang. And you'll get 3 or 4 or 5 or 10 people just reach out and you go have a dinner and you'll connect, right? And for me, it's led to what I can do through the podcast. It's led to the opportunities I've had. It's led to so many potentialities.
Love that. Yeah. Any, any biggest failures which you would like to share with others so that we can't, we don't need to make that same mistake and we could just probably avoid it?
Yeah, man. I did once upon a time, I did, I got my friends to invest a couple hundred thousand dollars and I didn't get the investment backed up by collateral and I didn't dig enough into the company's their back story and their financials before I did it. I did it on trust and I'm an optimistic guy and I believe everybody should have a certain level of trust. Like life's just better if you trust people in general, but do your due diligence significantly. And so it took a massive toll on a relationship with those two individuals. You know, it took like a lot of legal issues, a lot of dirt to dig through. And that was, that was a hard, hard lesson. One, another billion-dollar founder that I interviewed, he said on the podcast, he said, always follow the money. The money never lies. Follow the money trail. It will never lie. Never, ever, ever. And this time, because of, you know, trust I had for an individual, I didn't follow the money and I really should have. And it was a huge lesson. It impacted my life even to this, to this day. It had impacted my life. So follow the money, guys. Always follow the money.
I love that advice. Trust but verify. Just make sure you're, you know, your numbers.
Exactly.
I love that. Any, any achievements you would like to share and what are the next big goals you have, Chris?
Man, achievements, like I've achieved a lot in my life. And so I've gotten to the point where achievements are a natural part of just growth and process on a regular basis. You know, we just did an event with Richard Koch, which was phenomenal. You know, 6 or 8 months before that, we did an event with Drayton MacLean. We put an event together, you know, with these amazing individuals. All these are great achievements. But really, I think like at the end of the day, the most important thing as you grow older too is like maintaining your health and your relationships with the people that are most important in your life. That's what gives you depth in life. Depth in relationships. Like I live halfway across the world. My parents are in the US and I still maintain a really good relationship with them. I've got, you know, dozens of cousins back home where I grew up and I try to stay connected with them. I've got them, you know, I've got one that comes and visits me on a couple times a year. Right.
Right.
And so in the end of the day, like, you know, the money goes away. We can't take the money with us, but we can take the experiences with people. In the relationships that we have. And that's most important.
That's pretty sweet, living the life full size. And what inspires you, Chris? Like, why are you excited to wake up, do this podcast, build the businesses, show up for different podcasts, host those events? What is like, what's in it for you? What's like the real vision?
It's, you know, I love, well, I love just supporting people in their business growth, actually. That excites me. I love helping people achieve their goals. I love pushing people, you know, to achieve their goals. Like, you know, I want to see what you're doing, Nick, in 5 years. And, you know, when I come to Dubai, I'm going to go— I have a good friend that goes to Dubai all the time. And one of these days I'm going to go with him. Like, I'm going to look you up and I'll be like, Nick, what's going on? What's your goals? You know, what are you working on?
Poke me a little bit and make me—
yeah. How's your network going? How's the podcast going? Sort of thing, you know? And we all need people like this. I just enjoy it and I enjoy it when people do it to me. And it's all about growth and adding value to other people's lives. So that's the main inspiration.
I love that. That's great, actually. I think we need more of those people. We need more of these stories and lessons. So we are actually against the wall to perform. It's so easy to choose to be comfortable and lazy and scroll through TikTok, watch Netflix, sit on the couch, eat a burger and sleep. Wow. Like, what a life. Amazing. But 70 years later, I don't even think you can make it to 70 to live that life. Lucky you, if you do it, all you have is regrets. And I was lucky enough to have an internship in my last year of college when I was dropping out almost. I was hanging around with a lot of folks who are very close to the retirement. And once I heard those stories, I just realized like, wow, these guys have one of the most secure government jobs and they make decent money. All of their kids are settled and everything is good, but they regret their life so much. I don't want to be this guy. And I was like, let me take risks. Worst which could happen is I can end up like them. So I was like, let me take some risks. So it was great. But Chris, how can entrepreneurs who are listening to this podcast tune into your network? How can they connect with you or join the community or be a part of what you're doing?
For our community, the easiest place is we have a website, m3.club, as in Michael, the number 3, dot club. And you can go check out all the fun things that we do. You know, we have an incredible community. We do really cool events. You know, one time we booked out a desert camp in Morocco and we took a bunch of entrepreneurs there and we spent 5 days in the desert camp talking business.
And we love the desert.
Yeah, it was, it was a lot of fun. And we may do that again, Nick. So I'll let you know if we do.
Yeah, I would be stoked to be there.
Yeah. And then, of course, the podcast, the Business Method Podcast. You can find it on all the apps and all the, all the platforms. So those are the best two ways.
That's awesome. Yeah, pretty cool, Chris. Any last word to conclude the whole show?
No, man, you guys, if you're listening to Nick, listen to him more. He's going places and sounds like he's got some amazing people on the podcast and, and stay focused, you guys, like don't give up, give it 10 years, you know, like just keep at it, stay healthy, remember the relationships of people to help you get you there. And maybe we'll see you on another podcast soon.
Great. Appreciate that, Chris. This was definitely a lot of wisdom in a very short period of time. So guys, we saved you decades. So if you like this podcast, please share it with other people. Thank you so much for tuning in and listening to Chris Reynolds along with me here at The Nikhil Sai Show. And please subscribe so that I will be back with another amazing guest just on this show, just like Chris, and we'll have amazing time together. Appreciate you guys so far. Thank you, Chris, for jumping on. Have a good one. Bye-bye.
Thank you guys.
Bye.
Chris, please stay
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