Why "Lift Heavy" Might Be the Wrong Advice for Your Body with @nourishmovelove

I mean, I love lifting heavy, but I do think it's the wrong question. I think the question should be, is your body conditioned to handle the heavy load? I had a hemoglobin of 4. I didn't even realize that was like capable for myself to be operating at that level. Basically, I just overexerted myself. I had filmed way too many workouts. I was putting way too much pressure on myself, way too much stress, working too much, and definitely not sleeping enough. One recipe usually isn't going to change your life. One recipe is not, one workout, one strength workout is not gonna change your life. But when it's put together in a sustainable resource, in a plan that I can follow, meals I can make in 20 minutes, workouts I can do in 20 minutes, then it becomes a path forward to success. Pull-ups also hit one of the most undertrained muscle groups in females. Females often undertrain their whole posterior chain, which is the backside of your body. I hope this inspires women to see that I hit rock bottom. Last year trying to do it all. And I can't. I can't keep living this way.

One of your favorite conversations on the Being Bridget Show is getting a sequel today. Lindsay Bomgren is back on the Being Bridget Show. Lindsay is a certified personal trainer, a busy mom of 3, and the founder of Nourish Move Love, a fitness app, community, and YouTube channel with more than 1 million subscribers designed to help women build muscle with quick, effective workouts at home. Today we are going to We're going to go deeper into topics around how to build muscle without creating injury, the most undertrained muscle groups in women, the insulin resistance and strength training connection, and a deep look into Lindsay's personal health journey over this past year. Lindsay, everyone from doctors to influencers are telling women strength train and lift heavy. What are your thoughts on that recommendation?

I mean, I love lifting heavy, but I do think it's the wrong question because I don't think the question should be, should you lift heavy? I think the question should be, Is your body conditioned to handle the heavy load? Because strength training is a long game. It takes decades to build strength. It takes years to build strength. It's a marathon, not a sprint. And if you are sidelined because you have pelvic floor dysfunction, you're struggling with hemorrhoids when you're squatting, you have incontinence—that's a pelvic floor load issue, right? So your body's not conditioned. Your pelvic floor can't handle the heavy load. And then there's a whole other set of injuries: musculoskeletal injuries, ligaments, joint injuries. In If you're not conditioned to lift heavy, you're going to sustain an injury. Injury happens when force exceeds load. Boom, knee meniscus tear. I've experienced it. I've been there. I don't want to go back there. And so I think the question is, can your body handle the load you want to lift? So everyone's talking about lifting heavy, but the gen pop is not conditioned to lift heavy, in my opinion.

And so you're a woman that's like, I just want to get back to being in the shape that I was before having kids or before I was in perimenopause. And so you just try to adopt a strength training protocol like you're being told to through the podcast and in all of the YouTube and social media content. And it's like, that actually might not be the best first step for you.

Yeah, your body has to be conditioned. I think a lot of the people you're seeing tell you to lift heavy, they're looking pretty ripped on set and you're like, yes, I want to look like them. But it took them a long time to get there. They didn't just come out of the gates and start lifting 50-pound dumbbells at 4 to 6 reps. That's not how they got there. You gotta, you gotta backpedal. It's just like when you look at someone's story, where did they start? Right. And so a lot of people are at that starting point. And so if you're at that starting point, you need to know that you can build strength anywhere in a 1 to 30 rep range. So you don't have to be lifting in this 4 to 6 or this 4 to 8 rep range really heavy. You can lift up to 40 reps. What's more important is hitting that failure point for you or that exhaustion point for you, that rating of perceived exertion, which I like to tell my clients in reps in reserve. So personally, I like to lift more in an intermediate rep range. So we're talking 8 to 15 reps. But when I finish my set, I only have 1, 2, maybe 3 reps in reserve, meaning that if I'm doing— let's just do a bicep curl because it's the easiest for me to show on camera. camera that when I hit those final, when I finished my set, if I went back and picked up those dumbbells, I could only literally do 1, 2, maybe 3. If I could do more than 3 reps, that's my reps in reserve. If I could do 3 more reps when I finish a set, then I need to adjust something. So I either need to adjust the weight, I need to adjust the rep range. If we're talking squats or something else, I could adjust my range of motion. There's a lot of things you can play with.

And so this is so, well, let's just get into my personal story and share way too much for you guys right at the start.

Yeah.

But for me, we've been having these conversations, Lindsay and I, because of the fistula issue that I had, that I was like trying postpartum to get back to strength training and I couldn't because it was agitating it every time that I was strength training. And then I was at the doctor's office and she's telling me how many women— she's like, this is so common and it's so common for women to have hemorrhoids and all these things that when I kept saying my goal is to just be able to get back to strength training 5 days a week in order— and I want to recover in order to be able to do that. She's like, this is so common and strength training becomes so common. So much harder for a lot of women. So we've been talking about it and Lindsey said to me, you have to be able to manage your intra-abdominal breathing. When they told me that the fistula was just bad luck, that it only happens in Crohn's disease and a few other instances and otherwise it's bad luck. That's what the doctor said. Lindsey said, you want to really learn how to manage your intra-abdominal pressure because that is where so many women have a lot of issues that get significantly worse.

Yes. Stopping to think about your breathing is not something a lot of us want to do. It's not fun. It's not exciting. It's not really going to get me to my goals.

Which is how you manage the intra-abdominal pressure.

Yes. So you need to learn to manage your intra-abdominal pressure. And well, since we're oversharing, I'll just overshare as well. After my second baby, I saw a pelvic floor physical therapist because my hemorrhoids were so bad. I was seeing somebody for my hemorrhoids. I mean, yes, I had a little bit of diastasis recti, that abdominal separation and some other things happening. But when I learned how to manage my intra-abdominal pressure to have a bottom Yeah. Movement without bringing myself to tears. It was so transformational for me. And just that learning how this internal canister works for us and this bearing down versus pushing out. And specifically for me, I can be so prone to wanting to lift heavy, do my pull-ups, do my squats, and bear down, hold my breath. And so really learning to control my breath, the exhale is always during the hardest portion of the movement. So if you're squatting, it's when you're pressing away from the ground. But a lot of us can even think like, when I'm squatting, okay, so I do my squat, I'm at the bottom. And then it's like you actually have to start breathing, exhaling before you even start pressing from the ground. Otherwise, you're already too late and there's too much pressure. There's so much happening. And so I wish that pelvic floor physical therapy was available for every woman. But I think that's a place we have to start is, can my pelvic floor handle this load?

Because you also— I learned through this whole fistula issue that the doctor was explaining to me how you have your front of your pelvic floor and then the back that also impacts like your butt area that I hadn't fully understood, like all of the connected parts that can be impacted. And they say, oh, focus on pelvic floor and those types of things that I just didn't understand how many things can be impacted. And then how much when especially you're coming back from pregnancies or you're going through perimenopause, you haven't worked out or lifted heavy in many years or maybe even ever. And you're trying to just go right into what you're reading in these books or in the recommendations. And it's like that is setting up so many women for injuries, for just worsened health. And like you said, in order to support longevity, we have to be able to create a protocol that continues to work with us over time so that we can sustain it for decades, because that's how you truly build muscle to improve your healthspan, your longevity, your blood sugar, all of the things that all of you women care about.

So since we're talking about this, I think it's so interesting because we're talking about conditioning, and female athletes are conditioned, and that's a lot of who I attract to my programs because our programs are a little bit more functional and athletic training. But female athletes are up to 3 times more likely to experience incontinence, which we know is a pelvic floor issue. Than sedentary women. And so it's not necessarily just about how much muscle mass you have or how conditioned you are. Pelvic floor is like its own separate beast. The good news for all women is that pelvic floor and your— that pelvic floor tissue is adaptable, right? So just like your muscles can build muscle, your pelvic floor can adapt and build muscle. But as you talked about, so the biggest cue I want to share with women, if I'm thinking about my pelvic floor, you talked about the front and the back of your pelvic floor. I like to think of it as a Kleenex. There's a Kleenex, it's a square on the ground, 4 corners. When you think about picking up or pulling your pelvic floor, tightening your pelvic floor, you need to think about pulling all 4 corners but from the center. So I'm pulling up, all 4 corners are coming together. That cue has been transformational in my personal journey.

Yeah, that's huge. So I think to recap, one, work with a pelvic floor specialist and don't discount the importance of that, whether you're postpartum or even if you're older. Recurrent SIBO that we see in women who are going through perimenopause and menopause where it's being treated and then it comes back, one of the Yeah. And one of the number one reasons for that is because of pelvic floor dysfunction that was never addressed when women were postpartum or earlier in life. So number one, work with a pelvic floor specialist. Number 2, manage your intra-abdominal breathing by making sure that you're actually exhaling before you push down on the ground, before you're dead— in your deadlifts or in your squat or other things that Lindsay's taught me. And then don't feel like you have to start with lifting the heaviest number of weights. You could go with a higher rep count and then decrease to that more medium rep count that Lindsay recommends, which is What, 8 to 12 reps in that medium range?

Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly that. And I think also the biggest eye-opener for me is that if you don't take care of your pelvic floor issues— this was my motivation— if you don't take care of your pelvic floor issues now, I'm 38, after you're having babies, when you hit perimenopause and menopause and you have lower hormones that are holding your pelvic floor together, helping hold everything together, when those decrease, you're going to experience even more incontinence. And more things that are going to— more pain. And so it's just like, as we hit menopause, it's the same with hormones, right? You know, like if I don't take care of my cortisol now, when I hit perimenopause, it's going to be a storm. If you don't take care of your pelvic floor now, when you hit menopause, it's going to be a storm.

Speaking of cortisol.

Yeah.

Last year we met a year ago and have become— we talk every single day since, and very few people that I talk to more in my life than Lindsay besides my husband. And so last year, at this time we met, and I'd love for you to walk people through where you were at with your health then compared to where you are now.

Yeah. Um, last year when I met Brigid, I was not in a good place. So I was coming into this business mastermind we're doing for a reason because I was really burnt out. I was exhausted. And I would say when we met, I probably looked the same as I do now, potentially. Hopefully I look, had less muscle. I look stronger now, right? Way stronger. Okay, good. Okay. But when we met, I probably night and day, I looked fairly healthy. I would say externally. You looked so healthy externally. On the inside, it was like a bomb was going off. And I love Brigid because one of the first things I was— I had just had my labs done. I was in a really bad place. I had just, literally before I got on the plane to come meet Brigid for the first time, I was getting IV injections of iron. I was so iron deficient. I put myself in the hospital getting iron infusions. I had a hemoglobin of 4. I didn't even realize that was like capable for myself to be operating at that level. Basically, I just overexerted myself. I had filmed way too many workouts. I was putting way too much pressure on myself, way too much stress, working too much. and definitely not sleeping enough, which is a storm, not good. And, and honestly, it's hard for me to admit publicly because I'm supposed to teach women how to be healthy and live healthy and be a good example for their families. And I failed, you know, and I think the biggest thing you can do from failure is learn from it. And so I'm really proud to say that I feel in a much better place here talking with you. But when I met you, I looked good on the outside, but it was a storm on the inside. And I had just had my labs done. And I love Brigid because we were walking on the treadmill and I was like, we had just met and I was just explaining this all to her and she's like, let me see your labs. And I'm so glad that I let you see my labs. I was embarrassed to show you my labs because I knew that they weren't healthy at the time. But I've made so much progress and I'm so happy to be where I am today and that I took advantage because I never want to go back to that place of not feeling in control of my health. Like knowing what I know now and like knowledge is empowerment. You're in control. Sleep, game changer for me. I now get 7 to 8 hours of sleep. And if you're getting under 7 hours of sleep, you are exposed to being at higher risk for injury, 1.7 times more likely to sustain a musculoskeletal injury if you're getting under 7 hours of sleep a night. And I say that not to discourage moms.

Crazy.

I say that not to discourage moms.

Because who isn't sleep deprived when you are in that stage or even when your kids are 5 years old and still waking up in the middle of the night because they have to go to the bathroom and other things.

My youngest was 6 months old when I sustained a total bucket handle meniscus tear. And it's not surprising. I was just, again, overexerting, undersleeping. So sleep has been transformational for me. Learning a lot more nutrition principles, fueling myself appropriately, getting the appropriate number of carbs, learning so much from Brigid and reducing cortisol and asking for help in my life.

And then also part of that, you started progesterone.

I did start progesterone. I started, yeah, this is like a newer experiment for me. Honestly, I was really against it for a long time. I didn't want to start any hormones. I really tried naturally for a long time and just wasn't moving the needle. I started taking 100 milligrams of progesterone. Game-changing for me. My low-level anxiety, like I was constantly in fight mode and I feel like I can finally kick into relaxation mode at night and sleep better. My sleep has— it's improved my sleep quality. Definitely improved my period symptoms. I was on a 40-day cycle. I'm getting back to a more regular 30-day cycle and the PMS before and my dramatic HRV drops before my cycle. Are much more leveling out. I was having such a hard time recovering.

And this is super important because women, as they're going through perimenopause, not to say Lindsay that you're in perimenopause because Lindsay told me last night that in 10 years when she starts perimenopause, that's when. And I said, well, the first hormones to drop are GABA and progesterone. So it's hard to say if your progesterone is just low because you're a high achieving, high functioning person that we see women experience that situation much more commonly, myself included, where I, even before having kids, my progesterone levels were in the postmenopausal range because of how How low my levels were. And something that I had to work on as well, I took progesterone before I actually got pregnant because of having a miscarriage and trying to optimize my body going into my first actual live birth, my daughter. But GABA and progesterone are the first to drop. So, and as you said, as you're going through perimenopause, cortisol becomes much harder to regulate. And if you're used to just like going as quick as possible and trying to go from thing to thing and staying as busy as you can and doing all the things, that really catches up to you once you're in that range. Where other hormones are changing. GABA's dropping, progesterone's dropping. So that's been huge. We adjusted some of your supplements, which I think may have helped a little, but the progesterone was really the big thing.

Yes. And you want to know, it sounds so simple and so silly to say this out loud, but Brigid was like, I was feeling really bloated after my meals. And Brigid was like, can you just sit down, relax, and chew your food?

And I'm like, it's so simple. Women are like looking for all the supplements and the hacks. And I'm like, are you sitting down and chewing your food? Some people pay us a lot of money. to be like, okay, I think your nutrient deficiencies are not because of the whole foods food, the organic everything that you're buying, but it's because you need to get your body into rest and digest mode when you're actually at meal timing, which requires sitting down, taking deep breaths, supporting your central nervous system so that you can activate rest and digest, AKA your parasympathetic nervous system, and pull yourself out of the constant sympathetic fight or flight mode so that your body is like, okay, we can actually like— Increase your digestive enzyme production To help to break down the nutrients that you're consuming through food, to help to increase the absorption that your body is getting from these foods so that you don't have to be on 10 million supplements in order to not have these nutrient deficiencies.

Yes. So many— it was even recommended to me, like, just start digestive enzymes. And I was like, what is it? Does it have to be another supplement or can I just sit down, practice being in rest and digest mode and actually consuming my food to absorb the nutrients better?

And some people do need the digestive enzymes. I've looked at thousands of stool tests and that is absolutely the case, but it is not for a lot of people. So I think that that's a good point. So then you did the blood sugar reset in March. So tell us about the blood sugar reset and what your experience was like and some of your key takeaways.

Yes. Okay. So I was like just trying to get back to baseline last October, November, December. I feel like I finally, by the time we re-met up in Nashville in March, I was in a good place. I was like in a much better place. My labs were looking so much more normal. And I was like, I want to do this blood sugar reset. And it was so funny. One of the biggest takeaways for me, I was literally sitting next to Brigid as I was Instacarting my groceries. And I was like, oh, well, I don't know. I don't need this mushroom powder. I don't need all these lemons. Like, I don't need all these ingredients. And Brigid was like, wait, what are you doing? And I was like, oh, this is excessive. Like, I don't need some of this stuff. And she was like, no, you're missing out on the variety and the macro or the micronutrients.

The polyphenols.

The polyphenols. This is what your body needs. And I was like, oh, okay. Light bulb moment. I'll be honest. I am a little bit Steve Jobs when it comes to my food, right? Like I eat protein, produce. I have the same, a lot of the same dinners. It is a piece of protein, it is roasted vegetables, and it is like some carbs, sweet potatoes, rice, whatever it is, right? Like I'm your classic fitness influencer when it comes to meals. I hate to say it, but I am. When it comes to meals, I eat very basic. Like I eat what works for my body and I know it works. But Brigid introduced me to this concept of like, Like variety and micronutrients and these nutrients that I'm deficient in and how I can get them from food. And it was so eye-opening to me that something as simple as adding half a cup to a cup of cauliflower, frozen cauliflower rice to my smoothies could increase my coniferous vegetable intake, which I was low in. Like just these small daily tweaks that I could make, adding a smoothie where I can get a lot of micronutrients in one easy digestible way. Honestly, Since we already shared about bowel movements at the beginning of this episode, I guess we'll just continue. The biggest game changer for me has been your chia seed pudding, the protein chia seed pudding. I was so sad that I could not get through TSA with 5 jars of it to be here because that is like my ride or die right now.

And beans and beans and lentils.

Beans and lentils, chia seed pudding, cauliflower rice in my smoothies. I mean, and just the, the more variety and this is how simple it is for me to get more carbohydrates. I was actually underfueling carbohydrates, which was something I just didn't realize.

So let's talk about this because— so with focusing so much on blood sugar, and we just had a number of women from Nourish Move Love community in the blood sugar reset trying to figure out how to like really dial in the insulin resistance piece because I think that most women don't realize how much you can be strength training to increase your muscle building capacity that helps to increase glucose going into your muscle because muscle acts as a sponge that helps to absorb glucose, but that you could still be insulin resistant even when you're building muscle. We see it all the time. And a lot of that comes from either undereating carbohydrates to the point that it's creating nervous system dysregulation that's increasing your blood sugar through a backend pathway called gluconeogenesis, or eating too many carbohydrates because you think that you're working out more than you are, or because you just are used to thinking that you need to fuel off of carbs in order to work out, like a lot of the nutrition historical recommendations have been. And so being able to dial in that amount of carbohydrates for your recovery, and then for also improving insulin resistance and improving inflammation, is so incredibly beneficial. Yeah.

So beneficial. Strength training increases inflammation. And it's, you know, so strength training is so good for you. There's so many benefits, you know, lowers your sensitivity to blood sugar, reduces insulin resistance. Like we could go on and on about the benefits of strength training and longevity and bone health and just, we could go on, right? Like everyone knows at this point, if you don't know resistance training is good for you, like resistance training is good for you. No explanation needed.

How many more times do you want to say it?

Do nourish with love workouts.

Until you die. Until I die.

Resistance training is good for you, but it is a stressor on the body that does cause inflammation. Okay. So muscle molding, in order for the muscle tissue to break down, there's going to be some inflammation there as muscle repairs itself. So there is some inflammation. And so there are a lot of things in life that cause inflammation, what we're eating, potentially processed foods, strength training, lack of sleep. Sleep is a huge one, you guys, sleep for recovery. I mean, we could— so you do have to balance the stressors you're putting on your body, right? Because you hear about HIIT training and how it can be bad for your hormonal health or how it can spike your cortisol. And I'm here to tell you that a well-fed, healthy woman, HIIT training is not going to impact her hormones when done in the right volume. It's just like anything, right? So HIIT training actually is one of the best ways to raise your VO2 max. VO2 max and grip strength are the 2 largest indicators of longevity. So we do need to pay attention to HIIT training, but we also need to be fueling appropriately for it.

Fueling appropriately for it and then not overdoing it when you're in very stressful periods of life because it is a hormetic stressor like anything else. And if you have the wrong balance of hormetic stressors, then it will end up creating a level of burnout for a lot of women. I want to go back to the fact that strength training is inflammatory, meaning that it can increase inflammation. And when you are— not to say that that's a bad thing, but it does put your body into that state. And if you don't have the proper Blood Sugar Balance to help to recover that, to help to offset that, because blood sugar, one of the number one— I had one of the top 100 scientists in the world, he's in the top 1% of nutrition researchers, and he was on my podcast saying, for every time that your blood sugar is spiking, it increases a level of inflammation, which is one of the reasons, even when you're working out, it actually increases the release of glucose. Not in a bad way for anyone to be upset about or concerned about, but you have to be able to then refuel in an appropriate way that helps to offset that. And so the Blood Sugar Balance piece, helping to improve insulin resistance, and then eating these phytonutrients and polyphenols and getting the variety that helps to fuel different strains of bacteria in your gut that help to then improve your inflammation, that help to improve your short-chain fatty acid production that sends anti-inflammatory signals throughout your entire body, one of the most incredible mechanisms. You have to be fueling appropriately in order to do that. And so many women like you, when you came into the Blood Sugar Reset in March and we were doing your Instacart shopping prior to the start of the Blood Sugar Reset, think about food as calories and calories in versus calories out or macronutrients. Like a lot of people in the fitness space are designed to think, and a lot of women in general because of the diet industry and the diet era and all of the messaging for women. But it is so much more than that when you're truly using food as medicine, where we have to think about the micronutrients, the polyphenols, the phytonutrients. And the American Gut Health Project showed in their recommendations that we have to have at least 30% 30+ plants per week in order to get the diversity that we need to stimulate that short-chain fatty acid production to help to decrease inflammation, which is what we're focused on in the Blood Sugar Reset, is being able to pull that together in a way that doesn't feel overwhelming, that helps to support insulin resistance and inflammation, all these underlying mechanisms, but in a way that feels sustainable for you to feed your family and enjoyable for you to actually eat meals that don't feel like it's just eating grilled chicken and broccoli.

Okay, nailed it. I was just going to say, everything you just said sounds so overwhelming to a busy mom of 3 children And running my business, trying to just keep my house clean and keep all the balls up in the air. So that was my biggest gratefulness for the Blood Sugar Reset is everything was just in a plan laid out for me. Simple, easy-to-make recipes that my kids and family actually enjoyed. They had no idea there was eggplant in the lasagna, right?

Yeah.

They had no idea, but they ate it anyways and they loved it and it was great for them.

Those anthocyanins in the eggplant.

Right? And so for me, that's the best part is like this makes it sustainable and doable. And that is what, that's how I've always written my workouts. And I think that's what, why we're so—

That's why we're obsessed with each other.

We're obsessed with each other because we love research. We love the science backed, but we both stand in the camp that like we have children and we are moms running businesses.

We're regular people at the end of the day.

We're regular people who understands that like what you can actually do exceeds the science research. So if the research is saying lift in this 4 to 6 rep range and lift heavy, But I know that I can't do that without sustaining an injury. It's just not, it's not, it doesn't translate to my life. Right. And so this is what makes it transferable. The plan, the workout plan, because one recipe of Brigid's, one chia seed pudding, the cheese. Okay. Chia seed pudding did change my life. Okay. One recipe usually isn't gonna change your life. One recipe's not. One workout, one, one strength workout is not gonna change your life. But when it's put together in a sustainable resource, in a plan that I can follow, meals I can make in 20 minutes, workouts I can do in 20 minutes. Then it becomes a path forward to success.

Okay, this is like everything because Lindsay has helped me understand how important this is with having a plan instead of just like looking for one-off recipes, which makes so much sense to me. But I didn't fully understand it until really learning the context from a fitness standpoint, because last year when I met you and then you came on my show, we— I started doing your YouTube workouts and would just do random workouts from your YouTube channel. And you came on my show and you're like, one random workout is not gonna do anything for you. You need to be in a progressive overload training that's accounting for the specific muscle groups on the Monday versus the Tuesday versus the Wednesday. And when you follow a plan, that's where you're actually gonna see the results. So for women who are feeling like you're doing everything but you're not seeing the results because you're doing the one-off workout, because you're doing the one-off recipe, it may be the reason why you feel stuck, which was the point that I was at last year when I was still trying to strength train with this fistula and then like not able to strength train in the way that I wanted to until I finally like got it surgically taken care of. And I know that's way too TMI, but now I'm in such a different state where since— which I want to talk about next— since launching your app and your workouts has been so amazing for me because pairing that with a blood sugar balanced approach in the NML app, which you just launched and I want to ask you about, but being able to then have an actual plan instead of doing random workouts has been such an eye-opening experience for me and has really supported my goal of—

Yeah.

Losing 10 more pounds, even though Lindsay doesn't like to hear that, but I do want to lose 10 more pounds postpartum. I've lost 40 pounds postpartum in the last 2 years, but I've taken a very gradual approach to doing that while improving my body composition, while focusing on muscle mass, focusing on my bone health because I have a family history of osteoporosis and all of the things that are going to be supportive of feeling good and aging well. But being able to sequence those workouts together in a way that Lindsay's planning has been such a game changer for me and helped me really reinforce the importance of having your nutrition planning Kind of like more dialed in. With that, tell us about launching the NML app. Last year when we met, she did not have an app. She launched her app in January. She was like, I am launching this app, and went full-blown into launching the app. And I feel like it's probably part of every conversation that you've had in the last 6 months with your family members and friends. And anyone who's in Lindsey's life knows that She worked so hard to get this app launched in a very short period of time. So how has it gone? You just launched in May.

Yes, we launched. I'm so grateful. We have thousands of community members in there. And my favorite part is literally opening up and seeing everybody's wins in the chat.

The community is bumping.

The community is bumping and we have such a great community. And honestly, there's so many-pronged approaches you could take to it. But for me, it was a plan. A plan makes everybody following a plan, whether it's a meal plan, a workout plan, you're more likely to follow through. If you have a plan, right? Versus going to YouTube. A lot of our audience, this is how I grew my business, was on YouTube, was conditioned to just go to YouTube, pick a random workout, the new workout of the day. And I am pro any movement is good movement, right? Zero, 10 minutes better than zero minutes. Any movement is good movement. But if you want results, this, that's like top of funnel, right?

Yes.

Like you can just start somewhere. YouTube channel, start there. Just find workouts that you enjoy doing, strength training. But if you truly want to see results and you want Yeah. But if you want to like fast-track it, you have a plan, right? And so you tell me whatever that is. If you strength train 3 days a week, 4 days a week, 5 days a week, whatever your goal is, whatever you can commit to, how much time you have, then you get a plan. And when you follow this plan, when you join our app, you get a 3-month plan. You know exactly what you're doing for 3 months. I have a lot of Type A people in my app. We love a plan. We love a checklist. You get to check off the workout every day. And when you have a plan, you're more likely to follow through, but the plan is designed to hit each muscle group twice That's really important. You want to hit each muscle group twice a week. Okay? So if you're working out 3 days a week, you're doing probably 3 full body workouts. Or if you're starting to get a little bit more advanced, then you're going upper, lower, full body. If you're doing 4 days a week, you— depends on what you like to do. Of course, this isn't like you must do this workout and this is how it has to be. A lot of people like mix in a group fitness class that they like to take with their friends. They like to run. We have runners, we have hybrid trainers. You find what it is that you love and you find what works for you. But I'm here to help you design that plan around what works for you. So if you have a goal to build muscle, muscle, which is my goal in the next 12 months. I want to gain 5 pounds of muscle, which is an aggressive goal because it takes around 12 to 18 months to put on 5 to 7 pounds of muscle at— when you're at my, you know, when I'm already conditioned, I have muscle built. It's harder to keep adding to that. If you're more beginner, you could put on probably up to 8 pounds of muscle in 12 months.

That's my goal.

Yes. Yes. Locked in. I'm going to get you there and do your first pull-up, right? Can we put doing your first pull-up on there?

Of course, doing my first pull-up.

Okay, I said VO2 max and grip strength, 2 biggest indicators of longevity. This is why I'm so pro pull-ups for women. Also because I'm a busy mom and I'm also kind of a productivityaholic.

Productivityaholic. Oh my God, the queen of productivity right here.

Pull-ups are the most efficient exercise you can do to hit the largest muscle groups in your upper body and core in one exercise. So efficient. And so I'm just pro, like you can do 10 pull-ups and feel like You got a good workout in. So I'm pro pull-ups for women as well. Great for grip strength as well. Great for overall health. Great for spinal elongation. I could just go on about the benefits of pull-ups forever.

Last March when we were together, we were like in the Uber together on the way back to the airport. And I think the whole Uber ride, Lindsay like was trying to like sell her pull-up— 12-week pull-up program to me.

She's like, Bridget, I promise if you just start with my 12-week—

All the benefits of pull-ups. I'm like, I'm going to just start We can start there.

The pull-up program is totally free. It's a 12-week pull-up program. I find so much joy in helping women get their first pull-up because have you ever seen a woman get her first pull-up? The confidence is exuberant. Like she walks into that gym and she's like, look out boys, I'm jumping on this pull-up bar and watch me.

Oh, for sure. I used to do pull-ups at the gym before having kids and it was definitely like you felt very confident doing that.

Yes. Okay. So that's why I am very pro pull-up, but the app allows me to give women the plan that I want to give women to get the best results. Where on YouTube, you know how business works, the algorithm. Like we have to put out X amount of volume. We have to put out X amount of content. And I'll be honest, like staying true to my values on YouTube is really hard because I'm competing with people who are titling things, build a booty in 2 weeks, get abs in 2 weeks. Like how do I stand out telling you this is—

Who are working out naked.

Yeah. And I'm like, that's not true. This is a slow, steady slog. That's what strength training is. It's a slow, steady slog, but I love it because it's so humbling. And there's always progress in the numbers. If you start tracking how many pushups you can do, you're going to see that progress win. And so that's why I'm so pro-progressive goals. So not aesthetic goals. I know Brigid said she wants to lose 10 pounds. That's an aesthetic goal. But then we put a progress goal in place. Okay. So I want a progress goal. So a progress goal, obviously I said I want to gain 5 pounds of muscle. And that can be a little bit seen as aesthetic, but it's not for aesthetic reasons. When you gain muscle, There's just, I mean, it goes into everything we just talked about. Blood sugar sensitivity, insulin resistance, so good for bone health, so good for joint longevity, all those things. I do have more specific markers within that. So within gaining that 5 pounds of muscle, I also want to be able to run a mile in under 7 minutes. I want to be able to do 15 consecutive pull-ups. I want to do 40 consecutive push-ups in a minute. And those are my top 3.

So if you're just starting out, that feels like very overwhelming in the same way that what I said about short-chain fatty acids probably sounds very overwhelming. But I think that the important thing is that it's like a, Compounded interest where you start and then you're like, oh wow, I'm feeling more athletic. And like, yeah, I might be able to do that first pull-up. And then yeah, I might be able to run a mile. And it's like a progressive thing that people build to. Lindsay obviously being at this advanced state.

100%. Your brain, it's just, it's wired this way. You will more likely follow through. You will get up at that 5:00 AM alarm that you have set for the workout when it is towards a progress goal. Running your first marathon, signing up for a fitness event is proven to be one of the best ways to improve your life. Signing up for a fitness event is proven to be one of the best ways to improve your life because it will raise the tide in every area of your life. And so for me, that's women doing like commit to something. Maybe you want to get your first pushup from your toes. Maybe you want to get your first pullup, whatever it is, you have to work to get there. And when you achieve that goal, it is such a confidence builder.

It is such a confidence builder.

Versus the 5 pounds, the weight, the scale is going to fluctuate. You start creatine, you're going to start retaining more water. Like the scale cannot be your measure. It can't be the baseline.

No, of course. Me saying that my goal is to lose 10 pounds does seem a little contradictory to what I recommend to my audience because I am all about the scale is not the measurement of success. It's about your energy, your brain fog, your mood stability, all these other things that actually happen as a side effect of starting to feel good. And so that has to be the number one. But I feel like I've really mastered a lot of those things coming out of postpartum and having 2 kids in under a year that now I'm like, let's get on to the next. Yes, that's exactly what I was going to say.

I was going to say your youngest is like not even 2 yet, right?

Just turned 2.

Okay. Your youngest just turned 2. It takes me 2 years to feel like a normal human again. And working out is my job.

Yes. Yes. Yes. It's important. We were talking about this last night when we did our mile and a half walk to— 3-mile total walk round trip to get a protein bar after dinner.

I was still hungry.

We both were. And we were talking about that because Lindsay said like, I'm going to ask you tomorrow, what are your goals? But I wanted to surprise you with that. And so we then— and I said, my goal is to lose 10 pounds. She's like, well, you can't say that. And I was like, well, it is true. So maybe I should say that, but to also counter it with like, I'm also trying to increase my lean body mass, my body composition. But in my audience, I typically am like, it's not about the weight. It's about so many other factors. It's about all the things, the symptoms that I talked about and feeling good, which it really is. Yeah. But I have gotten to that point and that led to the conversation that it does take women longer to come back. And so if it has taken you longer, you shouldn't feel bad about that. Because even when I was sharing with Lindsey, Lindsey's like, what are you talking about? Why do you feel bad? You had 2 kids in a year and you are building a nutrition business that's helping thousands of women. Like there's so many things that are on your plate. And so like you can only go so fast unless you're gonna burn yourself out. And I have throughout this process prioritized sleep, prioritized stress reduction, other things that I feel really good about hormonally. That have not led me into like a large caloric deficit in addition to overtraining that's setting me up for not only injury, but also extreme burnout and anxiety and insomnia and the perimenopause onset 5 years sooner than it actually should have been.

100%. Okay. So we're filming this in August 2026.

It's coming out in October.

It's coming out in October. Okay. This is coming out in October.

September, October.

Okay. What is your progress goal? I'm putting you on camera. What is your progress goal? It could be pushups. It could be pullups. It could be squats. It could be, I want to lift a certain weight. I want to hold a plank for X amount. And I want a specific goal because that specificity is what comes— your brain needs it in order to follow through.

Yeah. So I'd say for pushups, I'm pretty good. Like, yes, 2 days ago we did probably like—

We did 75 pushups.

75 pushups. And that did not feel hard to me.

That's amazing.

I mean, they were broken up. We weren't doing them. So maybe, yeah, I should do a pullup goal.

I like it. First pullup?

I'm going to the NML games in December, so I'll set a goal for December. Pull-up.

One pull-up? Does that mean 3 in 3 months?

I feel like I, I, a baseline might, might be like okay enough to do that. Is that—

Come on.

Okay.

I love this. I love it. It is nailed. That is the goal. Brigid's gonna do one pull-up in 3 months. I'm impressed. That's like a fast-track goal, but I love it because—

I'm gonna get home and be like, why did I commit to that?

Because see, now you're gonna follow through. You're gonna follow through. But pull-ups also hit one of the most Most undertrained muscle groups in females. Females often undertrain their whole posterior chain, which is the backside of your body. So we're talking your lats, which are the largest muscle group in your back, which your pull-ups are going to hit for you. And then you're talking your glutes, your hamstrings. So deadlifts, obviously a great exercise for that because deadlifts actually are a low back exercise as well. So undertrained muscle groups in women that I love to target, and I actually built my Max 20 program around this. So I know you're doing my Max 20 program. I'm doing Max 20. I dedicated a whole day to core and accessory moves. And the accessory moves hit these often undertrained muscle groups in women. So we hit legs and back on day 1 of Max 20, which hits your back. There are pull-ups in Max 20. If you can't do pull-ups, don't worry. There's a modifier in every workout. But the undertrained muscle groups that I hit in the program specifically target calves. I learned so much about the importance of calf health when I obviously injured my knee. Your calves are so important for that, but also your calf is your second heart. It pumps blood back to your heart. Huge fan of heart health over here. And so we hit our calves, which I often don't hit. Unless I'm forced to in a program, and then we hit our hips. The number one DM I get is hip pain, hip pain, hip and pelvic floor.

Hip and pelvic floor.

A lot of women experience hip pain as a result of unaddressed pelvic floor issues, but also just pregnancy, right? Pregnancy, postpartum. Your hips are going in and out. There's this expansion that happens. There's relaxing, and so your hips are just so important. We're sitting at desks longer. Our hip flexors are shortening. Hip health and hip mobility so important. Hip mobility is like my second most popular YouTube video ever. Millions of views on. YouTube. A lot of people struggle with hip pain. So we have a whole day dedicated to not only mobility, because a lot of people think if I just do hip mobility, my hip pain is going to go away. It's hip mobility stretching, taking through a full range of motion, but also strengthening. Your hips are a muscle. They need to be strengthened just like anything else. So you need to strengthen your adductors, your abductors, your adductors, your inner and outer thighs. I mean, you need to strengthen— we're talking your psoas. There's so much to strengthen in that hip complex connected to your pelvic floor. Your pelvic floor is actually like Your core is 29 muscles from your hips to, you know, your core is so much more than just your core. It's like 29 muscles. So—

Calves.

Calves.

Hips.

Hips. Serratus anterior. Serratus anterior connects. It's like this fan-shaped muscle that connects back here, your rib cage to your shoulder blade. Especially a lot of women experience shoulder injuries. There's like a huge thing with menopause and what is it? Frozen shoulder?

Yes. Frozen shoulder.

Menopause and frozen shoulder. So serratus anterior, also rib cage expands during pregnancy, that connects your rib cage. So those are 3 often undertrained muscle groups in women that I make sure to hit in my program.

And the fourth is chest.

The chest. Yeah, your chest. I definitely think chest is undertrained for women too, which is why I made you do 75 pushups when we worked out together.

Yeah, I love pushups. So we've addressed the fact that muscle loss is one of the most important things. I was actually interviewing a nurse practitioner, Cynthia Thurlow, who wrote The Menopause Gut yesterday. She came into our community and she said that when someone had asked, okay, I'm 35 and I'm thinking about trying to improve perimenopause and menopause, what's the most important thing that I can do? And she essentially said blood sugar balance and strength training to help To help to offset the muscle loss. I know.

Take a screenshot.

Blood Sugar Balance meets strength training.

Yes.

Knowing that women are losing 3 to 8% of muscle every decade, and that also accelerates the risk of sarcopenia, of bone loss, of increased risk of osteoporosis and osteopenia. And so when we think about that, we want to improve muscle. And unless you're actively doing that with the right strength training program combined with a strategic nutrition program or plan. It doesn't need to be a program like a diet, but something that you can sustain for long periods of time. Those 2 things are important, muscle mass and bone health. What else should women be thinking of as they're trying to extend their life expectancy, but also beyond that, just actually feel good and be able to pick their kids or their grandkids up off the floor?

Yes. So obviously I love those 2 things, strength training and having nutrition that supports that. But I think a missing part of a lot of strength training programs is power, speed, and agility. And I know that's something And this is something we're not conditioned to think about as we age, but you actually lose power, speed, and agility faster than you lose muscle mass as you age. And so, when you think about independence, my 70-year-old version of myself wanting to be able to live by myself or with my spouse, hopefully, a very healthy hiking with my grandkids, all those things, balance is so important and we lose it so fast. Speed, agility, those small, the falling off the curb, the, you know, for me right now, it's like lateral cutting with my 9-year-old that I'm playing flag football with in the yard. But like, as I age, it's falling off the curb, losing my balance, grabbing the door handle, grip strength. So these things, power, speed, and agility, are just so important. They're often missed as we age. You think, I'm a 38-year-old mom, what do I need power, speed, and agility for? I mean, I know I want it and what I want it for, but we're talking simple pogo bounds. I know that the whole jumping 10 minutes, 3 times a week is proven to improve bone density, bone mass, like on your own. That's— it's proven to reverse osteopenia. Like, I mean, we have things at our fingertips that can reverse diagnosis, right? Like strength training and jumping. And so, if we're not taking advantage of those things, we need to be. And so, jump training should definitely be part of your routine. I love box jumps. I love pogo bounds. You're going to see them in a lot of my programs. You're going to see squat jumps. And it doesn't have to be long intervals. High impact, short intensity, right? So, I'm talking something like a 2 to 3 minute sprint at the end of your workout. Workout. Sprinting, we, a lot of us lose sprinting as we age. So power, speed, agility, I'm a big fan of. I love agility training. My husband's a professional athlete, so we still are competing in our house and we are doing a lot of power, speed, and agility training. But I think that that's something a lot of aging people, and when I say aging, I mean people like me in their 40s, going into their 40s, are missing from their program.

Yeah, that's so good. Okay, let's talk, let's switch it to a little bit of the more personal life. Um, we've been together for the I know. I just spent the last 3 days in Nashville for a business mastermind that we signed up for last year together that has been so amazing. That's how we met. And you have gone through this journey of launching the app and just, you take on so much in your life. So I'd love to know, probably the number one question people think of is like, how do you do it all, Lindsey? How are you in this business mastermind? How are you growing on YouTube? How do you have this app? And like all of the things that you're doing in addition to being a mom of 3 and Doing your strength training and like you honestly run at a much faster pace than most people. And I feel like I run at a very fast pace. So for people in my life who are hearing me say that about you are probably like, that woman must be on speed. But how do you do it all?

I feel like that is a question I get asked often and I do want to be so transparent. The highlight reel you see on Instagram is, you know, or on YouTube, et cetera, This is supported by a full-time working team of seven employees. Okay, like I have seven full-time employees on my team who are supporting me, and so they're doing so much work for Nourish Move Love and behind the scenes. So I love my team, so grateful for them. I also have an amazing husband who was able to leave his job last January to help be more the default parent because I was literally, as you know, and transparently I'm sharing, I was at a breaking point. So I was not doing it. Well, let's just put that out there first. I was not doing it well. I was trying to grow my business, be the mother I wanted to be. Like, I was not doing it well. I put myself in the hospital with a hemoglobin of 4 last year, so I was not running my business well. I was not being sustainable. I was not a good leader for my team. And I, I took ownership. I'm taking ownership of it. And I decided I'm, I need to take back ownership of my life. And so I am so committed now. I hired a business coach that is helping me create more work-life balance. Something as simple as shutting your laptop and putting a plant on it. Like, these are boundaries I need.

Oh. Oh, I need that too.

I'm creating boundaries in my life because my goal is margin. When you have margin in your life, it just opens up so much more. Okay. We're business owners, profit margin. That's what we're striving for in our business, right? We want profit margin that makes us successful. When you have margin in your finances, you can be general, generous, right? With others. When you have margin in your relationships, you can be the friend you wanna be. You can show up, you can make the meal for the mom who just had a baby. Right? Like, it's just margin is so impactful. Margin helps me see those around me, and my goal has always been to serve those around me. And I believe God gave me this set of unique fitness gifts to hopefully glorify him, but I was not doing it well. I was not stewarding the resources I had well. I was not asking my team for help. I was not asking my husband for help. I drove myself into the ground. And so I decided that this year was going to be different. And so I needed to change my business model because you can only put out so much content. And in order In order to pay these 7 full-time employees, we had to put out so much content on YouTube and Instagram and my blog for free to make this business model work. And it was broken. It broke me. And so—

Because for anyone that's unfamiliar, you get paid by like the YouTube clicks that then lead to YouTube being able to run ads that then increase the revenue that Lindsey was making off of YouTube. And then also like brand partnerships that you work with. And that was the original model that you had.

The original model—

Which is based off of volume. It's a volume game.

If I wanted to put out free content, it had to be a volume game. And the volume became so unsustainable that it broke me. So I knew there had to be a better way. And the better way forward actually allows me to serve people better because it gives them the workout plans I genuinely believe in versus, I'll just be honest, the all-standing, no-repeat workout that you're going to do on YouTube is a good workout. I believe every workout I put out, like I put a lot of time and effort into it. But do I think if you do an all-standing, no-repeat workout every day, you're going to see the same results as following my program?

Yeah.

program. I do not. I think you're going to see more results following my program, which is why I built the app, is to help women get better results faster, as well as to be able to actually talk and connect with my community. I can't answer every YouTube comment, right? But I can answer my community in the app. So it just, it allowed me to do that. But also—

And you feel more fulfilled. We've talked about this, how you feel so much more fulfilled now being able to be more connected with your audience, which I've always, I've always like led with my programs instead of as much of like the content since I don't do brand partnerships. And it does create a much deeper sense of fulfillment and satisfaction and being able to follow people through their health journey and see them get the goals. It is, I love seeing that in you.

Yes. The wins that you get to see in your community, it's like, this is why I get up and grind every day. This is why I do this because I love seeing those results in women. And then also, I can't. I sat with this for a year. I wrestled with this. I hired a business coach to help me create more sustainability. I got a discipleship mentor in my church to help me. She's done this. She ran a business. She's in her 80s. And I just needed wisdom from someone who's done this before because I was like, how can I do this? And we got on this topic about asking for help. And she was like, you just, you need help. You need someone to come into your home. Pam, she's my discipleship mentor through church. She's like, you need someone in your home to help you. They need to help fold laundry, make meals for you. And I was like, I am the I am the feminine person who's supposed to do this. Like my mom, my grandma, are you kidding? They'd be so ashamed if I was outsourcing these things. And then I realized I no longer care what anyone thinks. I care about, am I stewarding the resources I have well? And am I being the mom I want to be? And I wasn't being the mom I wanted to be because I had to say no every time I— no, I got to make dinner. No, I have to fold laundry. No, I need to wash dishes. No, I need to pack for tomorrow.

In the small time that you have with your family outside of work.

Outside of work. Full-time working mom. And I was like, I don't want to live like this anymore. I want my kids to get 100% of me and the best percentage of me outside of me running my business, right? Like, I— it is— the priorities were out of line and they had to get back in line. And in order to do that, I hired a house manager. And greatest gift that has ever happened to me, the biggest blessing. I don't have a nanny. I don't get my nails done. These are painted by myself. I don't get facials. I don't get— I get a massage once, maybe twice a year. 3 times a year I take my team to get massages. Like, I don't spend money on these things. So I decided to spend my money on helping hands and it has been the greatest gift in my life.

She just started this week.

She started this week and she's, she's one weekend and she's already my greatest gift. I'm saying she started this week. I finally decided I don't care what anyone thinks. I don't care if people know that I have help in my home. And in fact, I hope this inspires women to see that I hit rock bottom last year trying to do it all and I can't, I can't, I can't keep living this way. And so I had to either cut something and it was like, I can't, I love my business. I don't want to cut my business. I love my kids. I love my family. So I need help.

Yes. And I think that the honesty behind that, because a lot of people on social media and other things, they act like they're doing it all and they actually aren't. And so being able to be like, oh, maybe I shouldn't compare myself so much to Lindsey because she also does have the help that she has. And I think that's really important. And it is. I obviously have had conversations with you through this struggle of the decision for you of hiring a house manager and bringing someone in and sharing with you our nanny who, my kids are 2 and 3 and is like my angel, in addition to my sister who will come over and help me with planning my kids' birthday parties and helping with making my wedding album that I still haven't made from 6 years ago and all the things. Having those things, and like our nanny does our laundry, which is so helpful. And some of these things, like my husband still works full-time. He's a pilot. He's— I'm solo parenting half the time, and maybe not fully half the time, but being able to have these resources, whether it's from a spouse or from someone in your family or other things, it is an important conversation for women to be having. And maybe taking something out of Lindsay sharing that vulnerably to say like, how can I create that in my own life? Because for some women in our community, They need to have their husband, if you're both working, having a conversation with your husband to be like, I want to follow this meal plan, and so can you make dinner 2 nights of the week? Or like, I'll create our meal plan and then Johnny does the grocery shopping. He takes the meal plan with him to the grocery store in order to make sure that that's happening, and sometimes my sister. But being able to have people that are in your corner that are helping you achieve your goals, especially if it's around health and other areas, is so important because so often we feel like we have to do it all and then we're wondering why we're not able to stay consistent or we always end up falling short. And it's because you're the last person on the totem pole. You're putting everyone else's needs ahead of yours, which naturally does have to happen as a mom. So how do you recruit the right help in order to help you feel good about the person that you're showing up as every day?

100%. I could not have said that better. Like sometimes it takes hitting this low point to know that I do not want to go back there. And we're heading back into busy filming season and I was like, I need resources in place to not Help me get there again, and I can't serve my community as a business. I think I've read so many business books. I love business. I love nutrition. I love fitness. I'm reading all these things. No one is talking about what it's like to be a female business owner who cares so deeply about my seven employees. I'm trying to manage all you know their loads. They're getting married. They're having babies. I'm managing their you know I want them to be happy and fulfilled. And then I have three kids who are constantly needing me, and I want to be their coach, and I want to be involved. And like, you can be both. And I have a husband who I love and adore and I need more time with. We're not getting any date nights together. And then I have a business with thousands of DMs coming in every day. Like, I cannot do all of this.

Yes, yes, yes. And it's not like your business is selling purses, not to diminish like other businesses, but there's a real human connection piece that when I heard you say like that you don't have time to Like serve other people in your life, like your friends who you're bringing meals to. Your whole job, just like my whole job, is caring for the people that are in our communities. So it's like you, you have to have the support in order to be able to do that.

Yes. And like you said, for me, I was like, okay, feeding my family healthy is a priority. And I can't keep up with the meals. I simply cannot. I finished my workday. I can't be in the kitchen cooking a scratch meal and playing with my children. I can't, I can't do both. And so now literally I flew, she started on Monday, groceries were delivered, she put them away, and my family had a beautiful healthy meal on the table as I was jumping on my plane to come here. And I was like, this is a new level of freedom for me.

Mm-hmm. And it's hard because we've had conversations about how we grew up very differently, that both of us grew up, grew up in houses that like Like, you know, my parents do all of the chores around the house and they, they do everything. My mom cooks all of the meals. And so there is a level that like when you're not raised with hired help in your home, it is uncomfortable to get to the point of being like, oh no, I do need this help. And in order for me to continue to run at the pace that I am and to be able to support all the other people that I do.

Yeah. Without being a crazy hormonal storm.

Without being a crazy hormonal storm.

Literally, is this true? Is it true that women's hormones are only stable 2 to 3 days a month and then you're constantly experiencing hormonal shifts? Is that true? I feel like I heard that somewhere. Is that true?

I mean, women are experiencing hormonal— I don't know if the statistic of 2 to 3, but in looking at like Mira, for instance, a wand that you can pee on every day in order to see like actual hormonal fluctuations. Yeah. There's fluctuations that are happening every single day.

And men are just—

Yeah. Men wake up and they are, they go to bed and they wake up the next day and they're just like even keel. I know. I love my husband so much. I was recently having a conversation, like, why were these conversations not being had? My mom will say to me, like, how lucky are you to have all this information available to you that, like, we didn't have when we, like, feel— felt so horrible. We're going to the doctor for decades, like, why don't I feel like myself? Why don't I feel good? With no awareness or resources about hormonal fluctuations through different periods of life, like postpartum, perimenopause, menopause, the need for hormone replacement therapy in order to support some of that and offset some of those symptoms and like the natural cycle changes that women experience on a 28-day cycle or whatever number of days you're on. Like, thank God we have the information that we do now to better understand why sometimes we feel so insane.

Yes. Yes. Amen.

Okay. Thank you everyone for tuning into the Being Bridget Show. Lindsay, thank you so much for being here.

Thank you.

We are in the launch of the Blood Sugar Reset and we'd love for you to join us this fall. for our fall-inspired menu for the Blood Sugar Reset. So you can sign up and join us for this round of the Blood Sugar Reset. We'll have all of the details in the links for the episode. And Lindsay, I'd love for you to share where everyone can find you.

Yeah, you can find us on YouTube, Instagram, @nourishmovelove. Our website is nourishmovelove.com, and the app is nourishmovelove.com/app.

Thank you so much, and thank you for tuning in to the Being Brigid Show.