How To Start A Men's Group—And Why Most Fail

All right, team, welcome back to the Man Talk Show. Connor Beaton here. Today we're going to be talking about how to start your own men's group or improve the one that you're in and some of the fail points, some of the things that guys do wrong that cause their men's groups to fail. So this is coming from over a decade of experience. On my end, I've been running mastermind groups, men's groups, performance groups for guys. I've tried a bunch of different structures. I've run some phenomenal, phenomenal groups, and I've run a couple that were not great. And so I'm going to share with you some of the mistakes that I've made along the way and some of the things that I have found that make them work really, really, really well. So the first thing that we're going to talk about is who. Who should be a part of your group. Now, in general, you want to have men that are committed to growth. You want to have men that, that you want to grow with, that you genuinely care about. These don't. They don't have to be men that you necessarily agree with everything on. In fact, I think that that's an important.

Culture. And our society today, we oftentimes look for agreeableness and agreeable people and people that we have a lot sort of not just in common with, but people that we agree about most subjects with. And what I found is that sometimes when we have a men's group that we can be a part of, where we have guys in that group that we don't necessarily agree with on certain issues, certain political issues, sometimes even that can be incredibly beneficial because they generally are going to have a different personality style than you. They're definitely, they're. They're. They're generally going to have different personality traits than you and things that you are probably lacking within yourself that you can learn and take from them. And so some of the best groups that I've been a part of have not been where I'm a part of, you know, nine other guys who are all like me. In fact, that is, generally speaking, the most useless type of group for me to be a part of. I don't need to be around more men who are just like me. I need to be around men who are different from me but have the same intention. Right? So find men that, that you ultimately you respect, you want to grow with. You're willing to be open and transparent with guys that you want to develop a meaningful bond with. And again, you don't have to agree on everything. So here's a couple things that are important for the who. First and foremost is you want guys that have a desire for personal growth, right? That they're looking for some type of betterment, right? If you're, you know, you've got some buddies that you're thinking about starting a men's group with and they think that they're totally fine, there's nothing wrong with their life, they're not interested in growing. You know, they don't really care about that kind of stuff. They think that personal development is for losers. Like, like that's probably not the type of guy that you want to have in your men's group. You want somebody that's dedicated to personal growth and development. Next is that you find like minded men who are interested in connection and community. Right? I think there's a misconception that a men's group is just about the one night every week or the one night every two weeks that you have your call or your meeting. These are really the guys that you're gonna be developing a deep connection with and you're gonna be developing some community with. And so you wanna find men who are also interested in that. Guys that are generally, you know, they show up to the meetings, but they won't text you, they won't call you, they're not, you know, connected with you in any way. It's very hard to feel like you're developing a very meaningful bond with them when they're not present in any other part of your life. Right? So for example, in my men's group right now, there's nine of us and we know each other. We all come from very, very different walks of life, but we communicate almost daily with one another. And sometimes it's just, you know, stupid crap where we're like sharing memes and gifs or like, you know, Instagram reels with one another or YouTube videos about Bitcoin or finances or stocks and stuff like that. But we're committed and we're committed to the connection that we're developing as a group and as individuals between one another. So that's the next one. Next is that you want to find men who are open to feedback. And this is a challenging one sometimes, but you want to have guys who are like, yeah, I want to hear the hard thing, you know, I want to build a relationship with you and the men in the group where you can tell me the hard things about my relationship or what I might be missing. What am I be blind to so Generally speaking, you want guys that are entering in with the knowledge that there's gonna be some feedback. And sometimes that feedback is gonna suck. It's gonna suck to hear it. But that's the point, right? The challenge and the reason why so many men are struggling in today's world is that they don't have other men keeping them in check. They don't have other men giving them feedback. They don't have other men looking at the decisions that they're making, being like, man, are you sure about that? Like, you know, are you sure you should be pursuing this relationship? Are you sure you're okay? Are you sure that things are good going as well as you say they are? You know, I think we, we all as. As men especially, we all need that. And the more that a man falls into this trap of like, I can do everything alone and I don't need anybody in my life, the more resistant they're going to be to being in a type of a men's group, but also the more that they're going to struggle just innately in general, in life. So next you want natural collaborators and contributors. So guys who are willing to take on a role in the group and guys who are willing to contribute to the group, they're willing to make an effort. It's not just like, I'm going to show up and expect everything to be done for me. You want guys that are there to help the other men in the group. And so I always have a saying when I. When guys come into the men's groups that we run, we have a program called the alliance, where we've got 5, 600 men in there, which is open right now, by the way. If you're looking for a men's group, when guys come in there, I usually say this. If you've come here just for you, you're missing 50% of what a men's group is about, right? If you come here just for your own personal work and your own personal development and not for the service of the other men that are here, the support of the other men, the development of the other men that are here, their marriages, their finances, their relationships, their bodies, their health, their capacities as fathers, if you're not here for the other men as well, you're missing half of what a men's group is really about. So you want to find guys that are willing to contribute and they see the value in being of service to the other men that are in the group. And then lastly, you want men who are really consistent and reliable. You Want guys that are going to show up, that don't flake last minute, you know, that only show up to half the meetings that don't respond on the text chain, you know, that are kind of checked out from what's happening in the group. You want guys that are actually in, invested and involved and present. So that's the who. Those are the types of men that you should look for. Again, if you don't have those men in your life, I would strongly suggest that you go and join an existing men's group that's out there, right in man talks. We have the alliance. We've got, you know, 5, 600 men from all over the world. After this next one, we'll probably have seven or 800 men from all over the world. And, and those guys are committed and dedicated to one another's development and their own growth. So find one. If you aren't sure where to begin, if you don't have those men in your life, or if you start to throw out, you know, to the guys in your life, like, hey, let's start a men's group together. And everybody's like, nah man, I'm not interested in that, or that sounds ridiculous. Or you know, I don't want, I'm not, I don't care about that, or I don't have time for that. Find one that you can join. So I'll just pop that in there. Next is the. What, what does it look like? What are the core ingredients for starting a really powerful men's groups? Because there are some really, really important things that you need. And where I'm going to actually begin with the core ingredients is where most guys go wrong. All right, so where do most guys go wrong in starting a men's group? Well, the biggest one is that there's a lack of leadership or clear roles within the group. There's a lack of leadership or clear roles. And when this happens, generally guys don't show up on time. They don't take the meeting seriously. Maybe they miss a bunch of meetings. There's nobody holding each other accountable. The structure of the meeting starts to fade. There's a whole bunch of side effects that happen when a group lacks the leadership or clear roles within the group. Next, and this is a very, very common one, is that the, the group gets over structured. And so I've seen a lot of men's groups where like every minute is accounted for and a lot of guys come in with this, like, you know, we have 90 minutes. And so in that 90 minutes we need to you know, break it down into 5 minute segments or like 10 minute segments. And that type of over structuring is often resulting from a personality of a guy who's very structured in his life and is very accustomed to that type of structure. And there's no room for flexibility. There's no room for the unknown. And part of a men's group that's really important is that you, you ride this balance between really good structure and really good flexibility. Now, a men's group will fall apart if there's way too much structure and everything's dialed in. And guys are like, man, this just feels like my day, you know, like my day is super structured. I wake up at this time, I work out at this time, I go to work at this time, I get off of work at this time, I go have dinner at this time. Like I'm fucking tired of everything being structured in like this. So groups will fall apart when they're overstructured, but they'll also fall apart when there's no structure at all. And what will happen, and you'll see this, and I've seen this before, is that your men's group will turn into 60 minutes or 90 minutes or two hours of just shooting the shit. And guys are kind of, you know, chatting about stuff that's happening in culture or society or politics, or they'll just be like telling random stories about what's happening in their life. And you can feel that there's not as much substance or meaning happening in the group. Now that is super important. So you have to strike balance between structure and flexibility. Right? Structure and flow. Next, what causes a lot of groups to fall apart is too much victim puking, right? And so this is when a guy, or many guys will get into this habit of kind of speaking from this place like, there's the victim. They're not to blame for anything in their life. And the group doesn't call them on it. The group doesn't say anything. The men in the group just kind of let them continue to spiral. They let them continue to run this narrative that, you know, they're not responsible for their financial problems or the that's happening in their relationship. And they just keep puking out all of this victim nonsense and no one holds them accountable. And when that happens, it diminishes the integrity in the group and causes the other men to lose faith that the group can be effective in pulling them out of their own bs, Right? Because remember, what you see happening with the other men in your group are going to inform you of how the other men in your group are going to treat you when it's your turn with your stuff. So if a person is operating from this victim mentality constantly and they're not being called on it, they're not being supported, they're not being invited to move out of it, that is going to diminish the quality and the caliber of the group. And then lastly is when a group lacks any type of follow through or accountability, that can really, really be detrimental for a group. Now again, you don't want a group where it's just an accountability group. That's a very different thing. Maybe that's the intention for your men's group. Maybe you just want five or six other guys that are there to do an accountability challenge, right? Where you're like you're going to do a habit for three months, you're going to like, you know, eight of you are going to stop watching porn, you're going to text each other every single day, you're going to do breath work and meditation and work out. And it's like it's all about accountability. Maybe that's what your men's group is about. But for most men's groups, if you lack any type of accountability or follow through or if it has just become all about accountability and it's super rigid and that can also cause guys to want to peace out because they don't feel like they're talking about the depths of the issues. So what are some of the core ingredients? Well, some of the really important ingredients of having a thriving men's group. And then at the very end of this, I'm going to give you a loose structure that you can use and you can alter that structure. But these are some of the core ingredients. Number one is you do want like minded members. Okay, so again, like minded members doesn't mean that you're politically aligned or that you have the exact same religious affiliation. I've actually found it helpful like with within the alliance, we have five, 600 guys in there right now and they are from all different walks of life. They are from different countries around the world, they're from different religions, they have different political backgrounds. And none of that matters because they are like minded in the sense that they are committed and dedicated to towards being better fathers, better husbands, better partners, better leaders, having a better relationship with themselves, being able to lead themselves more effectively. So when I say have like minded members in your group, that's what I mean. I mean find men who are dedicated and committed to a similar thing. As you, it doesn't matter about the political stuff or the religious stuff. That's all. Okay. We actually want like minded men with values and characteristics and that are, that are innate to who they are and less about the political orientation and the religious orientation. Although that might be what you're looking for next is make sure this is a super important core ingredient. Make sure that your group has a clear purpose, a clear mission or intention for the group. Right. So is the intention for the group that is, it's an accountability group, Is it about depth? Is the intention about connection and brotherhood? Is it about personal development? Is it about shadow work? Is it about relationships? Is it specifically about finances? Right. Is it about connection? You know, beyond what you've normally had before? Like it's, you have to determine what the purpose and the core mission or intention of the group is and you need to have an open dialogue with all the men. Like, hey, listen, I'm starting a men's group. My intention is that this group is about us developing depth within ourselves and depth of connection with one another. That could be a really good intention. Are you interested in that? And then that becomes the, the Pole Star, the sort of guiding north star for the group that you can filter everything through. Right? So hey, our group intention is about depth within ourselves and depth of connection with one another. Does this material that we're going to cover pass that intention? Does this program that we're going to look at or this book that we're going to read or this challenge we're going to do, does that meet our mission or our purpose or our intention for the group? So it's a very simple filter that you can put everything through. And I found that to be very, very helpful. Next is have a very strong set of ROEs. And ROEs are rules of engagement, rules of engagement, um, things like that I've found to be very helpful. Things like no advice giving unless solicited or asked for. Right. So in every group that I have run, you do not give advice to another man unless he has specifically opened the door for that advice to happen. That's one. Be on time is another one. Or communicate that you're gonna be late. Pay attention and give your full focus to, to the group when you're in a meeting. Because we all do so much zoom. And what can happen for a lot of people is that, you know, you can be on a meeting and you're checked out, you're checking your emails, you're responding to text Messages, you're watching YouTube videos like you're doing all kinds of stuff if you're, you know, if you're not in person, if you're on Zoom. And so you want to make sure that you have a very strong set of rules of engagement. Another one is you don't talk about other men's stories. That is a very, very important one. So it's kind of like, you know, what happens in Fight Club stays in Fight Club. Or you don't talk about Fight Club, like whatever it is. So that's another really strong one. But set, create a set rules of engagement with your team, with your men's group, and make sure that you are all committed to it. And anytime somebody new comes in, you go over these things. You talk about how you, you guys are like minded. You talk about the clear purpose or mission or intention of the group. You talk about the roe the rules of engagement, and then a couple other things that are very important for a. The core ingredients of a men's group.

Next is foster a culture of what I call calling one another forward. So in our men's groups, we don't call men out. It's not because I find that that's very ego based. You know, like, you see some of these groups that are out there that are debasing and dehumanizing and embarrassing men and stripping them down and, you know, shaming them and shitting on them. That for me, I have not found to be very useful or helpful. And it's not very useful and helpful in my opinion, because it's more about that individual calling the other person out and shaming them and dehumanizing them, then it actually is helpful for that person because it's very common that that person probably experienced dehumanization, belittling embarrassment when they were young. And so it's, it's re. Aggravating that wound that they already have with men. And so what we talk about in the men's groups that I run within, man talks, are calling one another forward. Now, what does that mean? It means calling the men that you are in a group with forward into the version of themselves that they have said they want to be. Calling them forward into who they have said they want to be. Maybe they've said they want to live with more integrity or they want to be more assertive. They want to have more clear boundaries. And so when you're calling a man forward, you're saying, hey, you said to us two weeks ago that your integrity, that you were going to be living with more integrity, more honest, more transparent. And I Don't get the sense that you're living with the integrity that you have said you want to live with. Right? I don't get the sense that you are living with the assertiveness that you have communicated. You want to live with what's going on that's calling another man for forward into who he has said he wants to be. Next is have a strong moderator for the group. Super important. This should be something that's shared amongst the members in the group. It should not be one man's responsibility. It should not fall on the shoulders of just one individual. This should be something where, you know, maybe each quarter one man rocks the moderator position. And you might want to have other roles. You might have a timekeeper or role. You have a moderator role. You might have a finance role. You might have a. A travel role where somebody's looking at, you know, planning trips for you and the rest of the guys. But you want to have very clear roles. And where you start is having a very clear moderator role. What is that man doing? What is he responsible for? And you want to pick somebody that feels comfortable with doing that for the first quarter at minimum. Next is the willingness to say and hear pretty hard.

There is something beautiful that I think is that happens in a men's group, which is that the intensity that most men are carrying gets to come out. They get to talk about it. They get to talk about the intense things that maybe have happened to them or that they've done or that they're struggling with or that they're feeling and experiencing. And so you have to have a willingness to hear some of that hard, without judgment, without shame. And if you have judgment, you have to be willing to talk about that. So in a men's group, full and radical transparency is a really important core ingredient to be like, man, I don't believe you. Or, you know what? I've heard you talk about this for weeks now, and it doesn't sound like you're willing to do anything about it, you know, like, what's going on? Which brings me to my next point. And there's only two more culture developing, a culture of confrontation with the uncomfortable and the unknown. Okay? Not confrontation in the sense of, like, being combative with the men in the group. That is not what I'm talking about, but a culture of, part of your mission is to confront uncomfortable things in your own life. Encouraging one another, propelling one another to confronting the hard things, Having the conversations with your girlfriend or your wife, choosing to leave a job to start your own company. Like whatever that hard thing is that you're afraid to confront. Right. Confronting your own grief. Right. Maybe somebody has lost a relationship or a parent and they haven't been grieving. Right. Encouraging people to confront the grief that they've been carrying, to confront a truth that they've been avoiding. Those types of pieces. So confrontation as a very important piece of the puzzle. And then lastly is commitment and privacy. Right? Again, everything stays within the men's group. You don't share other guys stories. You don't gossip about what they're bringing in. You don't go tell your wife or your girlfriend or your buddies about like, oh, this guy's going through this thing. Like, can you believe that none of that BS happens? You have to respect the privacy of the men's stories that are in the group, and you have to have a very deep level of commitment to showing up to the group consistently. So next I'm going to give you the very simple structure, an example structure that you can use for your men's group, because I found that to be very helpful. All right, so last but not least, arguably, one of the most important pieces is the structure for the group. Now, this is something that you and the men in your men's group are going to have to discuss. You guys are going to have to come to some agreement on the structure of the actual calls or meetings that you're going to have. I'm going to give you a breakdown of what I've found to be very helpful. It's pretty simple and straightforward, but it leaves some room for a real, genuine connection. So where we always start, the first place you want to start is the welcome and an opening exercise. Okay? It's just a time, five to ten minutes for you guys to drop in, get present, you know, make sure that all your cell phones are turned off, make sure that your distractions are away, and a time to just really get present to the meeting. So the opening exercise can be a guided meditation. It can be a breath work, it can be an embodiment exercise, it can be a physical exercise, it can be some type of challenge. But you want to have some type of opening exercise that is going to get people present, present. And it's something that is a practice that grounds each of the individual men. So whenever I lead a group, I start with breath work. Every single time, every community call that I lead within the man talks alliance, I start with breath work. And I do that because breath work for me is one of the most important tools that we have in our tool belt. And so I teach a bunch of different styles of breath work and bring the guys through an exercise and, and that's how we start every single time. You can also use external resources, right? So you could use a guided meditation from somebody on YouTube or Spotify or whatever. You could use breathwork from a different app or again, YouTube or Spotify. You can do a guided exercise. So it doesn't have to be led by somebody in the group, but you welcome, you get present and then you have an opening exercise that grounds everybody and maybe you have a little bit of discussion around it that can be helpful if you're doing a new exercise, if you're moderating the group, you can say like, hey, how did that go for everybody? You know, what did you notice? What was it like? How did it help you? What was challenging? That kind of stuff. And just have a bit of a brief, you know, four to five minute discussion on how the exercise went. Next you're going to move into check ins. Now everybody does this a little bit different. But, but what I have found is that you have somewhat of a timed check in for all of the men to check in and say, here's where I'm winning, here's where I'm struggling and if I took the hot seat, here's what I would talk about. And I'm gonna talk about that in a second what the hot seat is. But it's generally those three things. Here's what I wanna celebrate, here's the wins of my life, here's where I'm not doing so well in full transparency, where I'm struggling. And then here's what I could really use support with, whether it's feedback or advice or whatever it is next is you get into a topic of discussion or a conversation. So for some men's groups, again, depending on your intention, you might be going through a course or a program or a book. I've had a lot of guys, a lot of men's groups use my book called Men's Work as a, as a sort of like resource that they use. And so they go through and every week they do a chapter and then they do the actual work that's in the chapter. There's a ton of other books out there that are great for that. Like no more Mr. Nice Guy is another really, really solid book that you can use as your men's group. And then you can have discussions around it. There's courses and programs that you can go through as a group. So everybody signs up for the program and then you do like one module a week or one module a month. And this would be the dedicated time where you would talk about that. So opening again, you welcome, you open, you take five, maybe 10 minutes to do the opening exercise. Then you do the check ins. Again. Generally, depending on how big your group is, you want to take about three minutes per man to do the check ins. Then you have the topic of focus or conversation. That can be a book that you guys are reading together, that can be a program that you're doing together. Or depending on the intention of your group, this might be a spot where you just have an open discussion about a very specific thing like, you know, being a father or taking care of your health or dealing with mental challenges or relational issues. This could be a place where you talk about things in an open way. And this area, depending on how much time you have in your group, you're going to allocate 10 to 20 minutes for. And then you're going to have a hot seat. And the hot seat is really like a spotlight where one or two men, depending on how long your meetings are, one or two men are going to take the hot seat and they're going to have a minute or two to present the problem, right? So you set a timer. Again, if you have a timekeeper as a role in your group, you say, okay, you've got a minute or two to present what you're struggling with and what you could use support with. And then that man will present and he'll say, you know, this is what's happening in my relationship. This is what's going on. I don't really know how to deal with it. Here's what I could use advice with, you know, or here's what I could use feedback on. What am I missing? And then you have, you know, 10 to 15 minutes for the hot seat for the rest of the men in the group to. And this is the important part. Ask questions, get deeper in, Peel back the layers of what that man is dealing with. And the super important piece on this is giving feedback in a way where you make sure that you understand the problem as deeply as you possibly can. What oftentimes happens in men's groups where men go astray is they don't really understand the problem that that man is dealing with. And then they start trying to give advice or feedback to be useful, which is noble in its cause and intention, but doesn't actually help that other man because that man is sitting there being like, you actually don't understand what the hell I'm talking about. So when the man presents his problems, the guy in the hot seat, when he presents his problem, the rest of the group for the first, like, four to five minutes should really be in, like, detective mode. You should be asking questions to clarify what he's dealing with, what the challenge is, what he might have left out, what he might not want to admit to.

And even, and this is another important part, what his experience is like, dealing with that challenge. Okay, what is he experiencing? What's it like for him not being able to, you know, have a hard conversation with his girlfriend? What's it like for him dealing with being in a sexless relationship? What's it like for him to be dealing with financial struggles again? You know, so actually get into what's it like for you to be in that situation? So peel back some of the layers, and then that will hopefully inform what support that man really could use. Once the hot seat is done, that is going to be the sort of close of the meeting. You might have a couple minutes left, and you and your group would benefit from creating a closing ritual, some type of closing ritual to just close out the meeting rather than just like, cool, thanks, guys. See you next week. Peace out. That closing ritual can just be like one word of gratitude. That closing ritual can be, you know, what are you taking from today's meeting? It can be a number of things. Again, it can be a closing meditation, a closing breath work, some. Some type of ritual experience so that you bookend the. The meeting, you bookend the meeting, right? You have an opening experience and exercise, and you have a closing experience and exercise. Super, super important. So that's the basic structure. It's not super complicated. However, in my experience, it's challenging for some people as moderators to make sure it gets somewhat stuck to and that you don't have like one guy doing a check in. And instead of three minutes, it takes 30, right? And, and listen, here's what I want you to know. The structure that I just gave you is flexible to red alerts, okay? What I call red alerts, or emergencies, where a man comes in and he's like, my wife told me yesterday she wants a divorce, or my kid just got diagnosed with this illness, or I just got fired from my job. The structure is meant to support you as a group of men, to make sure that you know the direction that you're going as a group on a consistent basis. And it needs to be flexible to, holy crap. You know, Ted's got a red alert. Like, let's prioritize that. Let's rally around what's going on, how are you actually doing, you know, where are you at? And so you can accommodate that. And that might look like something like doing the opening ritual or exercise and then doing some quick check ins, leaving that person for last and just giving them the hot seat for maybe the entirety of the meeting, depending on the severity of where they're at. The biggest piece though is giving choice to the men in your group. All of you guys are going to benefit from having choice and decision making ability in what's happening, right? So a guy might come in and be like, no, I don't want to talk about what's happening. It does feel like a red alert, but I can't talk about it next week. This week. I'd like to talk about it next week. That's okay. We have to give the men in the group some choice to make sure that they feel empowered because it's not about adhering to some super rigid structure. Some men's groups are so fixated on adhering to a very rigid structure that it diminishes the experience of the people that are involved in it. And then other men's groups are. They just abhor the structure and so they reject the structure entirely and that causes it to fall apart altogether. So again, it's finding this balance between the structure of the group and the flexibility to go where the men in the group are needing to go. And this is a bit of an art form for either you as a facilitator, as the moderator, or for you as a group to kind of stay connected. And my men's group has done a great job of this where, you know, a couple of us last year, because we've been meeting for years now, kind of felt a little checked out. And I said like, hey guys, I feel a little checked out. I feel like our, our meetings have kind of gone into this space of just like shooting the more than actually having some kind of structure and getting into something. And so I'd like to dial it back in and have a little bit more structure. And everybody agreed immediately. Everybody was like, yes, I've been feeling that too. Thank you so much for saying that. So you as a group have to have an open dialogue. And a good way to notice this is anytime you as a man want to eject from that group and you want to stop showing up to the meetings, you really need to tune into. Why is it that you are not wanting to be there anymore? Why is it that you're not wanting to get onto the zoom meeting or why is it that you're not wanting to show up in person? Why is it that you're not wanting to be there and for the guys? When you hear a man that's wanting to leave the group, you really need to create a place for him to communicate why he's wanting to leave. Like, what about the group specifically? Or his experience in the group specifically is causing him to not want to show up or is causing him to have resistance to being a part of it anymore. Super important, important. And it can really, really inform changes, subtle and small changes, sometimes big changes to your group that are going to make a massive, massive difference. So this has been a guide for you as a man to start a men's group where things have gone wrong. Please man it forward. If you are wanting to start a men's group with men in your life, send this to them, forward this to them. Get them to tune into this episode, whether it's on YouTube or Spotify or Apple Podcasts, wherever you're listening to us on, and go through this with them and actually curate your group. Curate the intention and the purpose, curate the roes, the rules of engagement. Curate these things so that you can build a really strong men's group. And again, if you don't want to go through the work of starting a men's group in your own life, find one that you can join. In Man Talks we have the alliance again. We've got 5, 600 men that are in there. The doors are open right now and if you are interested, there are a ton of exceptional men in there. We have some great structure and we have some phenomenal, phenomenal conversations. So I encourage you to go check it out. The link is in the bio, but you can go to mantalks.com alliance again, it's mantalks.com alliance. All right, thank you so much. Let me know what you thought in the comments below. If you're watching this on YouTube, I'd love to hear some of your best practices as well. And until next time, this is Connor Beaton signing off.