Dating Q&A - 04-12-25

Dating coach Anwar White and client Shirley address criticism about her $10K coaching investment. Shirley, who joined in October 2023, is now engaged to a six-figure earner. They explain the program covers vulnerability and boundaries work plus dating strategies, with outcomes that extended to financial and household benefits.
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Honey.
Honey. I'm sure. I'm sure. Hello, Hello. Hello, everyone. Hello, Hello. Hello. I heard y' all were looking for me.
I heard you all were looking for me.
I hope we're doing well. Ladies. Oh, my God. We have so much to talk about because it has been a crazy girl, crazy week. Let me just get my TikTok together.
Okay?
Oh, my God. So how are we doing, ladies? What's the tea? Long time no talk to.
I heard y' all were looking for me.
For those of you that don't know me, my name is Coach Anwar. Or as most people would like to say, he here this week. The 10K coach. Dating coach.
Oh, my gosh, girl, it's been a crazy mess.
Yes. I am so happy to be here with you all. I'm so happy. So for those of you that are new here, what I do is.
I'm going to help you get your life together, your love life together. And in these lives, what we do is you ask the questions and I answer them.
I think Shirley's going to come here and we're going to talk a little bit about.
All the questions that most people have so that we can get some clarity on.
Someone said you and Shirley need to pay me for how hard I've been fighting in the comments. Girl, no need to fight. No need to fight. I thank you for. For. For your advocacy.
But there's no need to fight. And, girl, we're gonna. We're gonna answer the questions, and we're gonna answer the 10K questions. We're going to answer how she got.
How she got engaged. We're also going to answer any of your dating questions, because that's really what I'm here for when it comes to this live. Yeah, Charlize, that I've been fighting, too. It's a lot of negative Betty's. Girl, no need to fight. Here's the thing. My ladies are doing the damn thing. They're investing in themselves. I think a lot of people think that this work is about getting a guy, and it's not. This work is about getting yourself. This work is about becoming the woman that's ready for the best relationship of her life. So please understand. Oh, here she is. Let's get her together. Ms. Shirley, girl, I sent you the invitation.
Let's make sure you're on, girl, because, honey, the Internet has some things.
Let me know if I did it right.
Come on up here, girl, so we can talk about it, so we can clarify for people what the real tea is.
Am I on?
Yes, girl. You're on.
Hi, girl. How are you?
I'm amazing.
Girl, you got the Internet buzzing. What's the tea?
I just told the truth, girl.
They are in a tizzy.
A tizzy.
Why do you think that is, Girl? Let's talk about it.
I think a few things come to mind. I think.
I think there's a lot of misunderstanding and misinterpretation.
When people heard that I invested 10k into a dating coach. I've been working with you since October, I think, of 2023.
Yeah. So let me just say this because it's. I think people think it's just, like, one price tag for a year. I've been working with this girl for multiple years, people. She just got. She just got a really nice hook that got y' all in. Honey, let's call. Let's call a spade a spade. ATIA T. Yeah.
So, yeah, I think. I think there's a misunderstanding around.
What it all means to. To invest in a dating coach. I love what you just said, Anwar. You're not investing in a man. You're investing in yourself. I happen to get a fiance as a result of investing in a dating coach. So I think that's. That's a. That's a thing. And then there's. I'm seeing the scarcity mindset just running rampant. The idea that someone could take $10,000 and pay a man to teach her how to date. I didn't learn how to date. I didn't learn. My mom didn't know. My grandma didn't know. My aunties didn't teach me. I was out here getting slayed in the wild, wild west in these streets, and I needed help. And I. I invest in every area of my life. I have fitness trainers, financial advisors. I have a business coach. I have an executive coach. So to me, as a person who lives a life investing in herself, the next practical step was to get a dating coach.
Someone's asking, well, was the help worth the 10k? Girl, that's what Kayla asked y'.
All. I do it over and over and over, girl.
Can I just tell y'? All, she asked me to stay on. I don't ask her to stay on. I said, girl, if you want to, but you got it. You got this.
Yes.
The one who stays on, I don't tell her, girl, continue to work with me. Continue to work with me. And also, I have an amazing team, by the way, who also works with her coach. I want to give a shout out to coach Shoya, who's my head coach. She gets the girls together as well. It's not just me. I have a team of three other coaches, and we do this work together. And that's why every other day, another woman's getting into the. In. Into a relationship. Right, Shirley? I mean, you see it in the Facebook group.
Yep, yep. I follow the Facebook group once a week. And, like, I'm. I'm seeing. Congrats on your engagement. Congrats on saying I love you. Congrats on being in a relationship. It works if you work it, right. So I came into the program. I was. I was very resistant for about the first month, and you helped get me through some stuff. And then my commitment was, anything NY tells me to do, I'm going to do it.
So don't put my head up, girl. Don't put my head up.
But that's what that was. It was more so my commitment to the work. I committed to the work, Right?
A good. A good person who's coachable. That's what they do. And they will get the results if they take on the coaching. But, yeah, and when my time is up, I reach out to Anwar, and I said, anwar, can we extend? Because I need. I went from so fast. I went from being single for two years to being an exclusive. No. To dating, to being in an exclusive relationship, to being a fiance. So I'm always in new phases, and I need help navigating these. These phases. So you help me navigate my. My dating life. And your get your guy program. You help me navigate being a fiance in the get your ring program. And now you're going to help me navigate my newlywed life.
Yes, girl. Yes. I love this. So I wanted to clear up some things because I hear a lot of people talking about, oh, my God. Well, first of all, people are asking 10k is that for a year, I've been working for. With Shirley for multiple years. So that is. I have packages that are at 3k, I have packages that are at 7k, I have courses that are at $149, and I have a book coming out that's going to be, you know, between 20 and 30 bucks. So when that comes out, for those that feel like that price tag's not going to work for them, y' all can get the book. But I want to talk about this theme, because a lot of people are talking about, yes, Princess Hinge, right? They're like, 10K. I could have gotten on Hinge, right? And done that my damn self. Can you talk a little bit about the fact that in this program, we have strategy for both online and offline dating. You just happen to meet your guy on Hinge.
Right? So Hinge, Bumble, all the apps that's a part of the program. So within Anwar's program, he's built out this, this, this system, this formula that we use and we can take onto the dating apps and we can deploy. And it helps us with our communication, it helps us to vet, it helps us to figure out if this is a good candidate or not. There's boundaries within it that help keep us safe. I did not have headaches, I didn't have frustrations in terms of my interactions with men because of these systems, because of these formulas that I was using, the strategies, the tactics that I was using from the program on the apps. But yes, I happily met my, my fiance on Hinge, but I was on all the apps. We also had incredible, like, tools and strategies to help us in person. I was great in person. I'm a people person. I like, I know how to talk to men, I know how to attract men, all that stuff. Anwar was helping me to go into a marketplace where there are men who are available and looking to date and narrow down my focus there. But, yeah, I loved it.
Yeah, be Stevie. I see you in here. Let me know if you want to come on as well, girl. I mean, I got a lot of people in amazing relationships right now. But I just want to clarify something. So in my program, we date online and offline. I have a proprietary strategy and system for online. So for all those girls that have been online for years talking about, I haven't met anyone online. I have to ask you, do you have a strategy? If not, then, girl, please don't shade dating online because you got to have a strategy. You got to know how to find the right ones so that you can actually work the apps instead of the apps working you. So that's online. Offline, we do something a little bit different and it is this. We look at it two ways. One, we're going to actually get some clarity on what your natural flirt style is. And then also we're going to help you understand at what points you're in your main character energy. And then we're going to use that information to inform what sort of places you should be going to offline to give you the best chance of finding your person. So it is not just I'm putting you online and hoping for the best. So I just want to clarify that there is strategy and absolutely everything that we do in this, in this program. Yeah, someone authentic M3 said GYG program is more than just finding a guy. No regrets. Love that. Okay. Shirley. Top. More. Because, again, the girls are. A lot of the girls are in a tizzy. I'm, like, so surprised by this.
Yeah. Why do you think there's such a. An uproar around it?
I think that. And I want to say this with love and respect. If you look at the data, and this is black community. This is mostly black community. This is black Twitter. This is black Internet. The average salary for Black individuals is 50K. So in their head, in a lot of people's head, it's like, would I really spend 20 of my annual income for this? And I get that, right? I get that it's a lot more for some people. And so, you know, if we were to do the math, right, based on where you're at, this would be something like 500, a thousand dollars for people, right? And so I just think everything is relative. And I want to honor and I want to respect that. Right? And I get that. So that's one. Two. I do think that there is shame.
Especially for black women when it comes to asking for help.
That is the hardest thing for black women to do. It's not saying, I love you. It's not saying, I'm sorry. It is saying, I need help.
So when you are.
Going up and saying, I needed help, I got help.
It'S going to hit a little bit different, okay? So I honor that as well, because I work with black women all day, every day, and that can be really hard. And someone is saying.
I asked for help. I got the help, and I got the result, right? So that's another thing that I think is happening. The third thing is, and I think it really fucking sucks, and I hope I don't get cut off at TikTok because they're getting really, like, anal about, you know, language. But I think that people think that they're supposed to know how to do this. And especially if you are a black or brown woman, a woman of color, you are not being taught how to date. So when you combine the fact that life is harder, let's keep it real, and you don't know how to date, and the marketplace is completely different for you, right? And based on your lived experience, on a scale from 0 to 10, you're not starting out at a 0 like your white counterparts. You're starting at negative 4, negative 5. So a lot of women come to me say, I've done the work. I said, yes, you've done the work. And You've come from negative four to five. Now the job is to get you from a five to a nine. And that's what I'm here to do. That's what my team is here to do. Okay? So I think it is this expectation that I'm just supposed to know it, or it's just supposed to come to me and I shouldn't have to pay for it. But here's the gag that I want everyone to know, and it is this.
A lot of your girlfriends, a lot of your sisters, cousins, co workers, they're going to therapy and they're not telling you.
And it is kind of a shady secret. Why do you think BetterHelp is still online, girl?
And that's no shade, right? But what I think is important to understand is that you get to also have the help and make it easier for you. I think also when it comes to growing up as a woman of color, what happens is, and I talk about this in my last video, when you grow up with an overly critical and judgmental mother and a father that is physically or emotionally absent, there is a mindset where you. You and your. In your mind, you're thinking, I have to do everything on my own.
I can't rely on anyone else. I have to. Or it's not worth it, or I didn't accomplish anything. So the fact that you are very open about the. About just asking for help, getting the help, and getting the result on this thing that no one teaches you how to do, and people expect you to just know how to do it, I think is really boggling the minds of people. So.
With all that said, if you don't feel like you need a dating coach, fine. But I do think that everyone should go to therapy, especially.
If you got a tan.
Can I say this, Anwar?
Yes, ma'.
Am. I have been in therapy for the past four years. Once a week.
Once a week. Four years. I've invested over. I did the calculations after this thing went viral. I've invested over $26,000 out of pocket for therapy. And what I get in therapy, I do not get in coaching and dating coaching because this is so niche. It's very specific. It's tailored. It's a. It's a while. The two pair. I do think it helped to speed up my success and to help speed up my transformation, which allowed me to attract my guy much more faster. But the. The strategies that I got from a dating expert, I can't get that from my therapist. I can take the things that I learn in therapy and I can bring them into my dating experience, but.
They'Re like apples and oranges, but paired together, they're powerful.
Yeah. And by the way, ladies, tap the screen. Double tap, triple tap the screen, because I appreciate your time. Shirley, you didn't have to be here, but I'm glad that you're sharing your story because I think a lot of people need to hear this. The other thing is, and I'll tell you, I continue to remind you, I want to remind people of this. I've been working with Shirley for multiple years. So actually she spent, per annual basis, about 6 to $7,000, which is roughly 500 bucks a month, which is roughly $125 a week. But I wanted to put it in context because people are getting their hair done and their nails done at that level. And so when we think about.
Investment on things, right, I want to make sure that we're breaking it down to that level so people understand, oh, that's doable for many of us. That's why my programs are so long, ladies, by the way. It's because it takes long to have a transformation. But also.
Girl, I grew up just like y'. All, Honey, we started from the bottom, now we're here. So, you know, girl, anything that's four figures, girl.
Girl, I got my calculator on my phone. Girl, I need to. Da, da. So I get it. I get it. But I think it's important to break it up in that way. Someone said is, and we're married or in a serious relationship. I'm married. I've been married for over a decade, and I have three children. Someone said, is her partner wealthy? Does he make six figures?
Yes.
Thank you. Okay, what other questions do you have, y'? All? Because, honey, we need to get into this. I want to clear it all up. I want to clear it all up. I don't want to hear any more messages. Yes, Shirley, what else did you want to share about your experience?
I also want to add something to the ROI of, of my investment. I. I don't think a lot of us think about this, but.
Partnership, specifically, marriage is a tool of the wealthy. And it's also one of the ways when you are paired with the right person, which is one of the reasons why I was very strategic and wise in my investment, because I knew if I could invest properly and be paired up with the right man overnight, my value, financial wealth, all those things, it would 10x. So now because I'm paired with a person who he runs his own part time business, he also he works in health care. He makes six figures. He has properties. Just from us being paired, my value has gone up.
Our revenue streams, our incomes together, everything has doubled overnight. And I don't have to do much. I get to relax. The burdens have been taken off. My stresses are less. I can have fun. I don't have to lift anything. I don't have to open any doors. My right, all these things. I don't have a rent. I don't have to pay bills because I'm now paired with a man who was literally a provider, and he's doing well for himself. So that's another way to think about the investment. So the deposits that I've made into this program over a period of time, I've made back a hundredfold.
Yeah, yeah. Here's the thing, too, that a lot of people don't talk about. As a single person, you will pay a million dollars more in your lifetime in a variety of different costs and expenses. Right. And so I love the fact that you're talking about.
What you're getting back from an emotional, spiritual, physical, physical investment that is coming back to you right in this work. Now, we do a lot of work. And by the way, Shirley and I have a podcast on episode on my get your guy coaching podcast.
So definitely check that out. It talks all about her engagement journey.
But we weren't always available to get here. Right. That's what I think is so important. It's not. My program is 80, 90% internal work. 10%, 20% of it is the external strategies that you have to do. Right. So the internal work is about being able to set boundaries because we historically have never been able to. And on top of that, being a woman and being conditioned and programmed to be nice and be palatable. Right. And boundaries knocks that in.
Like, right in the face. So we did a lot of boundary work, right?
Yeah.
We also did a lot of vulnerability work.
Yeah.
Because, ladies, you cannot deeply connect with a man unless you're able to be vulnerable.
It's just. That's just how it's going to be. And most of us. And let me know in the comments, have been taught that vulnerability is a weakness and that somebody's going to get me if I'm vulnerable.
Yeah. That is.
Really scary for a lot of black women, women of color. So I want to honor that. But what we do in the program is help you overcome that fear. So that. And using dating as a platform to be able to learn how to trust yourself to do that. That's how you make the Connections.
Right. So, again, it's not about the man. It's about the woman that you become.
So that you can make the connections. It's not just in dating connections at work, connections with friends, deeper connections with family, because this is a dating and a relationship coach and a program, and all of your relationships are going to improve.
Not just romantically.
Yeah.
I think, Anwar, before I even got into. When I first started working with you, before we even got into the relationship stuff, we had to do a lot of boundary work with me and my family. Right. So me and work and me and my family. So my. My mom has a brain injury. My dad had been recently diagnosed with cancer, and I was like, I was the caregiver, and my everything in me was deteriorating, and I was. I was a mess. And then I was a beginning. Like, it was the early stages of my small business, and that was me trying to figure out how to communicate with clients and draw boundaries there. And we had to do a lot, a lot of work there before I could even start bringing those tools to men.
Right?
Yeah.
Yeah. A lot of people. And I just want to kind of dispel this myth because I'm getting a lot of comments in the chat. And thank you so much, ladies, for participating.
We think that if I'm vulnerable, someone is going to take advantage of me and get me. And I want to offer to those individuals that think that. I want you to understand.
Your vulnerability is a superpower. What you might be confusing or conflating are your boundaries.
That ultimately, if someone plays in your face, you got to be able to step away. But many of us are not able to get there. So we feel stuck, and we think the vulnerability has kept us stuck. That's not it. So it's the boundary work. It's the vulnerability work. It's everything, right? Awesome, awesome, awesome, awesome.
Talk to us, because I think a lot of people are asking, how long is program? The program is a whole entire year.
And, you know, you shared there was resistance at the beginning because I do things completely differently. Right. I have my own strategies. I am tough as nails when it comes to following all of my rules for my strategies that I have perfected for over a decade.
Talk, maybe talk a little bit about the resistance, because I think, you know, one's love life is a very tender thing, and I think it is very. It's very easy and comfortable to kind of stay in your lane. So would you mind just sharing a little bit about your experience?
Yeah. So coming in like a lot of our sister on the Internet, that's very upset. I had an idea on how this should work. I'm like, I mean, he just needs to meet me where I'm at, you know, give me, give me some tools and then I'll, I'll go out and I'll do my thing mixed with a little bit of his thing, and I'll make success happen. Right? And no, you have it. You're very strict. You have a system for a reason. Because if you work it, it works. So remember at the time, I think I was like 36 coming into your program. And so I have 37 years of programming, and this is my first time working with a dating coach. I had not been on one date in two years. I wasn't even thinking about men. And I, I came into this like, okay, well, I hear some of the things that he's saying, but I'm really not interested in online dating. I heard a lot about it. It sounds like a message. I'm not doing that. He needs to teach me. These are the thoughts in my head. He's got to teach me some better ways to do in real life, dating. And.
For a month, for an entire month, I was just very, very, very resistant. And I think it's because of 37 years of conditioning of how I thought things.
Needed to be. But I talked to my therapist. It was my therapist that offered me another perspective. Like, Shirley, remind yourself that you are coachable. Remind yourself that you enrolled into a program with an expert to help you. You don't know what you don't know, and you have to lean in. When it's uncomfortable, when it's hard, when you don't understand, there's uncertainty. So then I just recommitted and then I came in. And even for those, especially those first, those first three months, everything sounded absolutely ridiculous. And I was like, but I gotta do it. I gotta do your. Your strategies, your tactics sound insane to a person who was used to doing it.
Logical.
Word, honey. If you're in my program, I got you twisted left, right and center, honey. That's what we do up in here.
Pretzel. A mental pretzel.
Yes.
Yeah, it's hard. It was really hard. But you were, you and Coach Shoya were so patient. So there was this. This wonderful balance, like a delicate balance of being firm, straight. I imagine with the type of women that come into this VIP program, you know, we're, we're probably. Most of us are strong headed, strong willed, so. But you were like, okay, you will offer a thing. If I was resistant to it. You'd give me your perspective. You'd work with me, we'd do a song and a dance, and then you. Each week, you just kept coming back, kept trying, giving me different perspective. Different perspective. And eventually, we had a breakthrough, 100%.
And here's the thing, ladies. We, in my program, we date online and offline. We're not married to online, but in my system, in my strategy.
We use online to practice the skills that are necessary. The vulnerability, the boundaries, the confidence, the flirting and banter that we teach in the program as well. Because, no, shade, most of y' all don't know how to flirt, and most of y' all don't know how to banter. I love y'. All. I love y' all to death. But, honey, we don't. We gotta make it happen. And let me just say this really quickly, because if you don't know how to flirt, and if you don't know how to banter. I always say this.
When you are dating.
Men are looking for in a wife, a homie, a lover, and a friend, right? And the friend part is the emotional depth. Can I. Can I trust her with my emotions and feelings? The lover part is y' all already know about that, if you follow me. Y' all are purrs. Y' all already know about the lover part. But the homie part, that's the banter.
That's the flir. Right? If you don't know how to talk ish to him.
For those nice girls out there, he's going to get grow bored really fast and really easily. So it's all part of this. So that's why we're online practicing these skills. Okay. People are saying I'm good at flirting. Bantering is different than flirting. Flirting has a sexual tension to it. Bantering does not. So we work all those things in the program so that you can connect with the men that you want to connect with. Okay, Shirley, anything else you want to share before I let you go? Because, you know, girl, you done done 50 different series around this girl. You got the. You got the people wild.
Yeah. With the. The banter thing, that was the fun part about being on Hinge is it's like this. It's like you get to play. It's like you get to put on a performance and try things and test.
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