How to Become a Millionaire in 2026 (Even With No Money)

Everybody warned you about the get rich quick scheme— your parents, your teachers, society— but nobody, not one person, has ever warned you about the stay broke for the rest of your life scheme. And most people opt right into that on day one. Today, my wife and I are going to break down what does it take to be a millionaire in 2026, and maybe why it's possible from the story you've been told.

In order to become a millionaire, you have to First of all, believe that you deserve it.

We are not born with a mindset on thinking a million dollars is too much. Our friends, our circles, our boss, they are the ones who put on us what a million dollars is and how impossible it seems to ever become.

I think a lot of us growing up, unless you had friends that their parents owned these huge businesses, really who you're around.

Even when you get around the right people, you look at those people like they're a cult.

Our system is really built to keep us stuck.

There are some people that should not be business owners. They can't be entrepreneurs. They can't think for themselves.

It is very easy to just soothe your miserable life with things that aren't serving you.

And you wonder, why am I not moving forward?

What are your thoughts on that? Oui.

Welcome back to the podcast. I'm your host, Justin Page. Well, I guess I'm your co-host, and my other co-host is Cassandra Page, my wife. And here we are back on the same page because the whole mission of this podcast is to get aligned on the same page. Today we're going to talk about being millionaires. What does it take to be a millionaire? How do I become a millionaire? And why is becoming a millionaire such a hard thing to believe? We put this number, $1 million, as this end-all be-all number in our minds, but yet we feel like the number is way bigger than we are. The secret is to understand that we are bigger than a number.

That's right.

And that's how transformation happens. How does one become a millionaire, hun?

Well, first you have to believe you can be a millionaire.

That's true. And most people don't have that. They don't have that. Let me get myself situated because I feel like we're going to, we're going to dive into something crazy here.

Yeah.

To become a millionaire, it seems like it is such an impossible task to do. We open up social media every day, and I don't know about your algorithm, but my algorithm, Well, it's changed now. It used to be jacked guys and BMWs. Now it's jacked rich guys and BMWs, but not even BMWs. Now it's Lamborghinis and Ferraris and—

Yeah.

And flexing on the gram and course sellings and trades. Uh, I don't know why day trading is popping up on my stuff, but—

Interesting.

There's a lot of, um, fast moving money activities showing up on social media. So we associate ourselves with that, or at least that's how I'm seeming to associate myself with my algorithm. But the awareness of where you're at today and who you're around shapes the mindset of the millionaire. And it all starts with the person. It starts with you. It starts with your belief, your alignment in life, your actions that you put in. There's frameworks for all of this on how to be able to do this, but you have to understand the root cause on what's to begin. And that's why do you want to be a millionaire? If someone asked you, why do you want to be a millionaire, if you even want to?

Yeah.

How would you answer that question?

In order to become a millionaire, first of all, you have to believe that you can become a millionaire, and you have to first of all believe that you deserve it. I think it first starts with deserving, because a lot of us have that mindset on, you know, we have almost shackles on us that we can't get past a certain point. Our target, instead of a millionaire, a lot of ours is $100,000. That sounds like a regional— reachable number. But a millionaire, that sounds too far-fetched. Even doctors, most of them don't make a million dollars in a year. So we have to get past that limiting belief because we only know doctor, lawyer, trades, whatever it is, those don't tangibly translate into a million dollars a year. So we can't mentally comprehend making a million dollars in a year. We have to push past that boundary and know that there are so many avenues out there that can make you a million dollars with a lot less work. But it's about changing your mindset and allowing yourself to mentally go there.

We put a lot of blocks on our minds into what it means to be a millionaire. What does it take to become a millionaire? Like you said, we see this magic number million. And first, I believe it was 6 figures. 6 figures was like the standard. And people would say, oh, I made 6 figures. It's like $100,000, $120,000, $150,000. Most salaries are beneath $100K. And if you feel like you're making it, you made $100K, now it's like, like, like you feel like you're balling. And that mentality that you stay trapped in is what's going to keep you never becoming a millionaire.

Agreed.

And like you said, the mindset is one thing. And mindset, let's, let's talk about mindset because I think mindset is literally the bread and butter to anything that you do in your life. And I can speak for my existence and my, my, my perspective on it because I've realized how I've been able to change my actions and my outcomes based on my mindset. We are not born with a mindset on thinking a million dollars is too much. We're not even born understanding what a million dollars is. Society, our parents, our friends, our circles, our boss, Teachers, they are the ones who put on us what $1 million is and how impossible it seems to ever become. It's a foreign topic. It's like, yeah, you'll never be a millionaire. Oh, $1 million must be nice. I want to win the lotto and I want to win $1 million, just $1 million and I'll be okay with life.

I think a lot of us growing up, unless you had friends that their parents owned these huge businesses, the only millionaires that we really knew were trust fund babies.

Yeah.

And I think it is really who you're around.

It is. And even when you get around the right people, you look at those people like they're a cult. They drink the Kool-Aid. Oh, they're too happy. So now we look down on the people who know how to make the millions of dollars because of their mindset. But us, we look at it as a negative thing, like, ugh, get away from me. Like, you guys are weird. And it's— we bully them. We bully those who are successful. But then we look at our unsuccess and wonder, why are we here?

Yeah. We almost stigmatize it and think, how dare you, how dare you be happy and be rich.

Yeah.

And you must have had a cheat code to get there.

Yeah.

You must have either inherited it or had a cheat code. There's no way you could have worked from the ground up getting there because why aren't I there?

Yeah.

And then it's almost like you're just leading from a place of insecurity because you didn't do the actions that that person did and you're in a completely different place than that person.

Yeah. And then you wonder, why am I not moving forward? Why am I still in the same mindset? And again, the people that you're around are keeping you shaped to be that way.

Yeah.

When I got into Omar's group, in Omar's circle, who is in Myron Golden's circle, and even how Omar was in the beginning, how this seemed to be a lot, this was ground-shaking news I'm learning about being a millionaire and being around money and learning how money works, how money is a tool, how making a million dollars is easier than making $70,000. Like, once you start understanding and unraveling in your mind those limiting beliefs, it all starts to make sense. But it won't make sense until you accept the terms that it is easier. When you're always putting the negativity in your mind, you're always going to have the stronghold supporting those ideologies that you can't do this. And you have to break down the barriers on why you can't, or you have to break down the barriers on what's protecting those, those beliefs that you have.

Yeah.

And it seems to be impossible because you've made such a stronghold around those that it takes years. It takes so many people. It takes therapy sessions to break this down to say, you know what, I know I'm better than this. I can do this. I'm gonna do this.

I agree. Our system is really built to keep us stuck. It really is, because not only— let's say you're in a job that you're making $35,000 to $90,000 a year, it's very likely that you're unhappy in that job. Either you want to get a promotion, you don't think you're making enough, you just really hate who you're working with, what your job actually is. And coming from that place, a lot of us from corporate or a salary job, it is very easy to just clock in, do the work, be miserable, clock out, and then to your miserable life with things that aren't serving you. And so that already breeds negativity in itself. And then on top of that, it makes— it causes an extra barrier to even get into a mental mindset to want to make a change. Yeah, it's a lot of barriers to overcome, and I understand why a lot of people are stuck, but no one's really teaching them how to get unstuck.

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I agree. Being an entrepreneur and being in a salary job isn't for everyone. Entrepreneur mindset might not be happy in a salary job and vice versa. So first it comes with awareness. Who am I? What do I like to do? What am I to my core? Am I someone that can take action and go after the things that have an uncertain outcome? Or am I someone that just likes predictability? 100% I'm okay with being, you know, not a robot, but knowing exactly what I'm being told to do. I execute it to the best of my ability and that's enough. And that's okay. Because there has, there's a time and place for everybody. Yeah. There's a position for everybody. But I definitely think there's a lot more people out there that aren't pursuing entrepreneurship because they're stuck in a salary job and because no one is actually giving them that little push to try. And there are some people that might be on the spectrum that they don't know until they actually try. So just try. Life is too short.

And people need the push. You know, people go to work and they're good at their job, or maybe they suck at their job, either way. But then they complain about their job and they hate that they're there. And it all comes down to the mindset on accepting the terms that you are putting yourself in, but then not accepting the terms that you can get out the same way you got in by putting in work, but for this other activity. And like you said, your interests and what you enjoy doing or something you're even really good at, take those skills and apply it for yourself. That's why I'm so big on building a brand because who was it you were having a conversation with? Somebody got laid off and I can't remember, was it with you? I was talking with somebody, they got fired. And they spent years working for this company and they have nothing. And now they have to try to find another job, start over, but they're trying to find the same salary that they were making. I don't know if it's—

it might be, is it the person that got replaced by AI?

No, not that one, but that one's a good one too.

Yeah.

Person trained AI to get fired by AI.

Yeah. So, um, I had a client that was with the company for about 20 years. Everyone else in her department was there between 10 to 20 years, very stable job in the C-suite. They were doing administration and they just got replaced by AI. And this is a huge corporate company. They actually had the staff train the prompts and the protocols for the AI bot and then phase them out. It was so sad.

That's wild.

And this is going to happen a lot in the future because of course companies they're a for-profit company, if they're not a nonprofit, and their whole job is to stay in the green. I mean, even nonprofits need to stay in the green to stay alive. And with AI, it's so much more accessible to stay in the green. People are going to take advantage of that. And gradually people are going to need to shift to a job that's irreplaceable by AI.

Yeah.

And that's just kind of the direction that we have to accept that our world is going to. Or going towards, I should say.

Yeah, moral story is she had lost her job.

Yeah, she lost her job. She's without any income. She is only a couple years from retirement. So that was a big hit because she thought she was going to get a nice retirement from that job that she worked her butt off for 2 decades. And this is a story, well, not as old as time, but as old as the last couple years. Yeah, but she basically has nothing. She's going without a job and she's gonna have to find another job that she's capable and happy doing for a couple more years until retirement. And basically she's, she's stuck. She obviously, people that have done a salary job for decades, it is very hard to start entrepreneurship at that age because that's what, 60, 50 years of mindset that you have to overcome.

Yeah, by that time you feel like you're too old. The limiting beliefs are ridiculous. You feel like you are way too late to the party. You're not— it's gonna— it'll take miracles.

Yeah, and she did have hobbies that she loves, but being able to capitalize on it for someone that has spent so many years in a corporate job, she is accepting not working until she finds another job. She is not taking advantage of all the other skills she has. She's just not working.

But people don't realize that they can leverage those skills, which is the problem. Yeah, they look at the jobs that they have that's on a resume for a specific job. They don't think, how can I implement that for myself to do something? Even one of the skills that you have that you can apply, you start that into some form of business. But again, in order to start that, you have to be around the people who think like that and to leverage what their, their teachings are, what, where, where their problems, their principles, and apply that to yourself. You can make even way more money than what you were doing for your salary, even at that age. But again, it all starts with, again, the mindset and how do I even get into the corner or get into the circle of those people to have that conversation?

Yeah, the mindset, the community, the people you have around you. And I found that people that are in W-2 jobs, 1099 corporate jobs, they're around a lot of other 1099 or W-2 people. And that's fair because that's who you're around when you go to work. You make friends with people that you work with and that's your community. But you have to find a way to shift from that community to a community that wants you to get unstuck.

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Yeah.

And you're always stuck because you're stuck around the people who are stuck and to get unstuck, you go to the other people who are not stuck.

Yes.

It's a weird way of saying that, but somehow I said it. So shifting gears, alignment is the next thing that you need to focus on. And we've had this conversation before with You know, how do we transition ourselves from thinking like a broke person? And I don't want to say a broke person, but I say broke as in not just financially, but mentally, spiritually, emotionally, physically, physically broke, broken, your heart's broken. I don't take broke as in just financial aspect of it. But how do you take yourself from the broke version of you to the rich version of you, the wealthy version, is that once you have that awareness on where your situation is, who you're around, how much money you want, why you want to make that much money. The why is such a huge thing. And I'm thinking about, you know, the purpose of what makes you determine a millionaire. And just a side conversation real quick. Whenever I'm in these webinars or web classes and, you know, someone comes in on the screen, first question is always, you know, like, All right, guys, put in the chat how much money we trying to make this year, how much money you trying to make this month. And you see people put different numbers in, that lets you know their stage of life on where they're at with their own beliefs. Some people put $5,000, some people put $10,000 a month, some people put $100,000 a month. And I always noticed that the first person that puts the number in is the person that sets the tone. And then you got some people who always want to say, well, I'm just going to shoot for the moon and put a million a month. And they might be joking, maybe they are serious, but it always shows like where people's mindsets are when it comes to financial aspects. Like what they feel like.

It's tangible.

Yes, it's tangible. Because again, if you feel like the number is above you, you're never going to reach the number. You always have to put yourself above that number and realize that's attainable, that's achievable.

So do you think first alignment and being, being who you truly are, mindset of that? What practices can they do to really discern on what they want to be and who they want to be in life?

Practices are— and actually, this is Myron Golden, beautiful framework, which I think I copied, but in my own words. Myron Golden says, be, do, have. Be the person before you start doing what the person would do. And once you start doing what the person's doing, you'll have what the person has been doing has. So be, do, have. What does that mean? Be is the root, root of a tree. That's your foundation. That is who you are when the camera's off. When we're not on this podcast, how am I as a, as a husband, as a God-fearing man, as a, as a bodybuilder, as a coach, content creator? How am I on off camera? Well, I'm con— if I'm not teaching, I'm consuming to teach, meaning that I'm learning more about what to, what to teach other people. I'm shaping my mindset more. I'm hanging around other people who are millionaires so I can understand their mentality. I'm processing it to consume, to create content, to teach other people the same thing I've learned, because a good steward is to teach other people what you've been taught. I was like, don't take it to the grave. That does nothing for the community. Being the person I know who I want to be. So I'm implementing that now. I'm thinking millionaire, $10 million Justin Page, what would he be doing? Well, he'd probably wake up in the morning. He'd probably open up his Bible, read it for 10 minutes at least, just to get the word in, not touch his phone, make his bed up, brush his teeth, feed his dogs, kiss his wife. Maybe I'll kiss my wife before I feed the dogs. We'll see. but, and start the day strategically, you know, and those small repetitions is what's gonna stack up to something. And then once I'm doing all the right things every single day, I'm gonna be able to have the reward, which is that monetary value I choose, the fulfillment of my why, to not have to worry about working 8+ hours a day because I've leveraged my time where all I need is 2 hours a day and life is working for me. It, it's the same thing as having the awareness, the alignment, and having the action. Same thing, B, do have. So to answer the question, which I don't remember the question.

What can they physically, what are actionable things that someone can do to shift that mindset? So the very first step, because I mean, just to go off really quick on what you said, B, every second of the day like that you're home, I hear you either downstairs or in the office, you're either on a call, you're collaborating with someone, you're on a webinar, or your, your Inner Circle calls, or you're talking with clients, or you're filming. It's all things that get you to where you want to be and further establish and solidify who you tell yourself you are. And so I think that's really— honestly, it speaks volumes because even for you, I'm sure for only a fraction of those things you call work. Because the rest are things that you enjoy doing.

Yeah.

That you can't see yourself without, that actually make you better, but you actually enjoy doing it. So I think that's why passive income doesn't exist, because you're actually working, but you're working in something that you like.

Alex Hormozi said it best, there's no such thing as passive income, it's active, because you are actively pursuing more income.

Yeah.

No matter what you're doing. And people who want passive income, those are the people that want the get-rich-quick scheme. They want to sit on the sidelines and let the money pile up on the sides while they're driving their Lamborghini.

Why crypto and Bitcoin is so popular.

Yeah. And it's cool because, and honestly, it works. It works for certain people. I'm not that person it works for because I want to be more involved with it because I feel like if I have side income that's building and I'm not really involved with it, I feel like I'm shying away from something when it comes to having that money. Now, if I'm having that side money build while I'm not there, and I'm applying it to something else that I want to keep building, I could see that as something. But if I'm just trying to enjoy the money that's coming in, I don't feel it wouldn't be enjoyable for me. I feel like I would be shying away from learning more or expressing myself in a certain way to obtain that money. The money is a reward because of the hard work I'm putting in.

Yeah. And we want to put our money into things that have a predictable outcome, not in a sense of a W-2 job, that salary, but in a sense of It's on you.

Yeah.

So what you do dictates the money.

Yeah.

You can control yourself, whether you woke up and did things that will contribute to your future self that you want to be or not contribute to your future self. So that's your predictable variable. When you invest into certain things that can make you a lot of money, there are some people really smart with some of these investment tools, but there could be a downturn, there could be a bad investment. All those things can happen. There are people that lost so much money that we know into certain things, and that's because you're putting your money into a non-predictable outcome, but you yourself, as long as you stay true to your word, you know, a positive outcome will happen.

So you say something, how do, how does someone start? What's tangible that someone could do? Yes, you talk about investments. You, the person, you are the biggest asset of your life. Put the money into yourself to learn to get around the right people who know how to do the things so that way you could do the things that they're doing.

Yeah, but do you think if they're in a W-2 job, they don't even— they're unhappy, but they don't even know, like, okay, do— but what entrepreneurs do, you say get around the right circle, but what's the right circle? Do you think first they need to sit with themselves and be quiet and actually turn off the noise and think, where am I at today? Is— am I okay with what I'm doing today, whatever it produces, to be in that same position next year?

Absolutely. Cut off the distractions.

So start off— start there. Being in yourself. Just no social media, no nothing. Go take a walk every single day and just contemplate your life. Like, truly contemplate your life and think, who am I? What is this producing? Am I happy? Am I okay being here in a few years? And then if not, okay, who do I want to be? How can I make that happen? What can I do every single week, every single day, little bit chunks every single day to get to the version that I want to be? So I mean, you say bring people around your circle. I challenge you that, that first, like, that's an important step that we shouldn't skip calling out to people that they actually need to sit with themselves. Because you said you can bring a circle around you that's entrepreneurs, but maybe they're in the wrong type of entrepreneurship that you want to be in. You need to bring people in an industry that you want to be in. So I think discerning first, what, what do I actually want my life to look like? What do I like? What do I enjoy? Because you don't have to love what you do, but you have to actually like what you do. And what does that look like? So what are your thoughts on that? Because I, yeah, I mean, I get for people it's easy to say, okay, get people around you, but what comes first before that?

So that can go either way.

Okay.

And I would challenge you back. Because some people don't know the questions to ask themselves. They don't know how to diagnose their problems because they don't know what questions or what to search for within themselves to know what's the answer I can prescribe myself. I— you're around me, so I'm sure you didn't ask yourself these questions because I got you around the people, the circle, which me being the circle for you. Started challenging you to ask yourself the questions. Were you asking the questions before you're with me?

That's true, but no one, no one actually told me, or I never watched people or aligned myself with content online that told me like, sit with yourself, Cassandra, sit with yourself, are you happy?

Well, no one, no one else.

I was damn unhappy.

Yeah, well, yeah, I know that. I was here to see that.

Yeah, which is why you gave me the push to explore other things.

So I gave you the push.

Yes.

So you were unhappy. You probably didn't know why you were unhappy, but you knew you were unhappy. I was around myself to notice that you were unhappy, which I was doing stuff in my life which made you probably think differently in your life, which made you ask questions about your life to make new decisions to do things. I start a business in insurance, start sourdough, start making content in sourdough. But had you not been around any of that environment, you may not be making any moves. That's true.

But that's by chance because I could have married someone that just stuck in a W-2 job forever.

It's all going back to the environment.

Yeah.

So again, you have to be in the environment to make those decisions.

But that wasn't by me saying I want that environment.

If I live by myself and, or you live by yourself and you were unhappy, you had nothing else but your phone, you're scrolling on your best friend who broke up with her boyfriend and you guys are having these conversations. At some point would you say, let me sit with myself and figure out where I'm at in my life and why I'm unhappy? Why is my friend unhappy? What decisions and changes can we make to make ourselves better? Why do we want to be better? Why do I want to make $1 million, if that's a question? Will those questions ever come up with you by yourself?

Well, I think if people are listening and they're a little bit unhappy, they're, they're listening. They obviously clicked on the video either because they just wanted to watch our content or because they saw the title and they're like, yeah, I'm kind of unhappy. I want to make a change. I feel like they wouldn't have a big enough push to actually seek the environment unless they sat with themselves, unless we told them to sit with themselves and actually like feel the unhappiness.

Yeah, that's homework. That's homework that you have to prescribe people. It's I want to make changes. People again want the cheat code, the secrets of how to do it. But you have to answer the simple questions and if someone asked, if I walked up to somebody on the road and I asked them simple questions, what is they want in their life? What they want in their life? I said it like that.

Well, I guess actually this kind of can count as environment.

That's what I'm saying. That's where I'm going at.

This is the environment. The environment starts before. Sit with yourself. I mean, I think you can—

Because you're not just going to sit with yourself and say, I want to think like this. Something's going to propel you to make yourself think that way.

—well, not think like this, but— but ask the questions. What can I do to get out of my situation? Because I can't bear being in this situation every year.

And to be honest, and YouTube, which is a great SEO system, I mean, it's— if it's not number one, number two platform on how to find something out, how to do something. They're coming online to watch videos on people, on asking the questions. How do I become a millionaire? How do I make sourdough? How do I start a business? How do I make my marriage survive? How do I get fit? You know, they're asking the questions and they sit with these videos. They watch people on podcast episodes, videos, and they consume them. They start then asking the questions for themselves. And they're doing something pretty cool. I wish— how do they do that? What do I want to do? What would I make a video on? They start sitting with themselves a little bit more. Problem is, is that that's in passing. People will passively consume all this stuff on content, but they don't really take in the words and say, well, what? How can I shape my life differently based off what they told me? Now, unless they paid to ask the question, that's when they're actually going to implement the actual answer into themselves and they'll sit with it. If someone paid you $1,000 and you asked them the same questions we said on this video and asked, they're going to ask those questions and then probably implement those on day one versus somebody answer honestly and honestly because it's like a joking— oh, $1 million.

Oh, yeah. They're paying for an outcome. They're not. Pain just to have someone further validate their current circumstance.

1000%. And that's what— and that's why you have to get into the right room. Because when you get into those rooms, and I keep saying get into the rooms, like, what does that mean? That means just be around people who you aspire to be like, people who share the same beliefs that you share and the same values. Yeah. And go on.

Oh, I was just going to— well, I wasn't really going to talk, but I can't talk now. The floor is yours. But I was gonna say, like, one, the fastest way to get into a room that is mutually invested in you is be in an inner circle that everyone in their own industry, you know, they're not all in the same industry. You are all collaborating and getting advice from people that are higher up in, I guess, just life. Yeah. And they're learning from other people above. They're getting the cheat codes to fast-track you to a better position. And that's one way, but other ways, like you said, are just being in a different environment. Easy steps, even if you don't have money to monopolize on it. Mm-hmm. Gosh, I had a really good answer and then I threw myself off by saying, I'll talk now.

Good. That's what you get.

Now let me think. Sorry. That's all right.

No, I'll let you have your spot. You can sit in silence and think about your answer.

I will. I'm trying to think.

But I'll buy you time. But getting into the right room and paying the right— and oh, I remember. What is it?

I was going to say working for free. Working for free in something that you like. So if you find entrepreneur that you like what they're doing, work for free. Become a— what is the word for it? Freelancer? No, freelancers get paid.

Oh, I just— I— free wasn't a word.

No. Um, what's the position when you intern?

Intern.

Yeah, so just intern for someone. Ask, can I just shadow you? I will be of any service you need me to do, whether it's the grunt work. And actually just learn from being around because you will hear many conversations that have invaluable information that you can take with you the rest of your life. And you will be in a close proximity to people that may be your business partner in the future, maybe your mentor in the future. Even if it's not the person you're shadowing, but people that surround them, it just opens up new doors, new circles for you. So be okay with one, putting yourself out there, working for free, especially if you're in a place in life that you can leverage your free time to do the things that might take you to a better place in life. True. Leverage it. Don't go home and scroll for 6 hours after work and stay up till 2 AM. Do something that's actually going to get you to the place you want to be.

Millionaire mindset, baby. That's how you do it. Instead of scrolling, doom scrolling, doom scroll stuff that's gonna benefit you. Don't doom scroll for entertainment.

Well, that's why you gotta curate your algorithm.

It's not good. It doesn't matter. You'll still get that one video that you sat on for just too long.

That is true. I get that one video where it's like a dying animal or something controversial and I'm like so touched by it or sad or invested in the story. And then all of a sudden my whole feed is dying animals and it happens real quick. A quick turn. Next time I open up Whatever app, all dead animals.

I don't have that problem. Mine's all comedy. But getting into the right rooms, paying the right people to— we say this, it sounds like an MLM if you really think about it. It's almost like—

well, everything's an MLM. If you work for a corporate company, you're still paying to be under tiers of people.

And that's a caveat because who was it? It was Daniel G. He said it best. You know, insurance or any other businesses are, or no, corporate are like upside down MLMs. But the problem is, is that we're getting paid less than our boss. We're doing our boss's work. They're getting paid more and they're getting the recognition. But then if we hire somebody, we're not getting the, the, the upline pay payments from it. So we're not getting that benefit of the recruitment part.

That's true. And what's crazy too is that a lot of these jobs that we think, oh, they're safe and they aren't MLMs. Which honestly I also have a stigma to certain MLMs, just putting out there for all the people that look down. There's a whole spectrum on it, but your barrier to entry to a lot of these regular jobs is a 4-year degree that you spent $200,000, $300,000 on. That was your barrier to entry. Some of these MLMs that, you know, people stigmatize, it's a $1,000 barrier to entry. You're lying. So, and then you are in debt with that, traditional job for something you're making $60K a year to have to work up for decades to get to $100-some thousand blows my mind. And no one realizes that. You can't take it in.

They don't. And man, I don't want to get too much off topic because that, that touches my heart when you say that because again, you, I would rather spend my money that I would get a degree in, especially if I'm not passionate about the degree or if whatever about the degree, I'd rather give that to somebody who is doing what I would want to do, have them train me everything that they've taught or that they've learned themselves, all the troubles they've, you know, went through, all the things that they paid for, and take their teachings and apply to myself to make way more money. Agreed. Than taking it to a degree who not only do I have to pay back, but then how long will it take me to at least make the same amount of money back to get my ROI for that degree? In addition to my lifestyle I have to live to maintain.

Also, they might not hire you for the position you want right away because now they want you to have experience. Experience. They want you to have experience. So not only do you probably have to take 10 steps back right when you graduate thinking, oh, I'm going to be in this great career, you got to work either the position you didn't even go to school for, for a long time just to get in the door or work for free again. So it's, it is kind of crazy when you think about it.

Education is the biggest scam. And I never thought I would say something like that, but I think about the tuition going up, the price of everything going up, the knowledge that is outdated in school, the, the teachers who are there for tenure and they don't really care about the students. They're there for, you know, because they're safe. They're playing it safe. They're not living the dream that they're teaching, so they're making you not live the dream because they never did. It's, it's— that's the system. That's what gets you into staying stuck at your 9 to 5 is that system you get plugged into. The degrees, you know, it sounds good. Like, that's— I think of it as sales. Like, when you get the degree, like, that's it. When we're selling something, we're selling that outcome, we're selling that dream. That's exactly what college is doing. They're selling that shiny object, that piece of paper and the cap and gown and the confetti and then the pictures. And you're thinking, I made it, and it feels so good. And I don't want to ever downplay anybody who graduates from especially a hard university or any school because you put your hard work and tears and staying up late nights. I know this because I've been there. We've been there. We've been there. Many years. Into these degrees. So I will never outplay anybody who made it through college, but I want you to always remember, you got that degree. Now what? Everybody that I went to school with went back and moved with their parents because they couldn't figure out what to do with this degree. And then they tried to find a job that required, like you said, I, you need to have experience or you need to go get this new certification with the degree that you got and apply at this competitive degree or this competitive position. Position that you may or may not get. It's— I, um, I don't know. I would rather learn the tools, like you said, intern with somebody who's doing it, learn what they're doing, take in, maybe even get paid a little bit, but still take in their knowledge, not being in other debts, and then leverage those opportunities to propel yourself to make way more money than a college graduate who's starting off in tremendous debt and no exposure to real life because they're only textbook-driven from the 1800s or the early 2000s.

I'm book smart, but street smart. I was street dumb when I first got out of college. I was book smart, but street dumb. And that's probably a lot of people. And I was one of them. But it is fair that there are some industries that need this schooling, need traditional schooling. Although we can also argue in Europe, you go straight into, like you have a very short prereq and then you go straight into medical school or whatever it may be. So we can argue on that later. But everything's A little backwards.

Or nursing and then you have COVID happen and then you can bank and make more money than doctors do with a 2-year degree. I mean, there is that. That is true.

That is true. Yep. So there, there is a time and place for everything, but it's also, if you think about instead of being $100K in debt in college, spending a fraction of that, like you said, paying to be in the rooms or learn the process for someone to that you like what they're doing and repeat and learn the cheat codes on that. And do. And if you think about it, it's a lot less competitive that way because everyone that you know is going to college, bio degree, criminal justice, whatever it may be. Every single school is competitive to get into. We just talked to someone yesterday that they couldn't even get into the, um, USF, USF yesterday because their demographics, there's too many of their ethnicity applying to this school, which they prefer to be in. Now they gotta go to another city because There's too many of their ethnicities there. So I was like, wow. So the barrier to entry to become entrepreneur or fast-track things is a lot lower and a lot quicker to become successful if you go that route compared to traditional college.

Yep, 1000%. I'd rather take that money like I did, $25,000, give it to one person to teach me everything that they learn, and they're multimillionaire. And they're giving me the exact framework and blueprint to exactly how I can implement that into my life, not only strategically but mentally. And I think that's the biggest part, because if you can have all the strategy in the world but you don't know how to implement it because your mindset is off, it's never going to work. And that's why they say business fails, because you not have the mindset and to be able to do stuff like that.

So there's— not only do they not teach mindset at all in college, which I believe there should be a course on mindset at least. Yeah, because we're all just taught to be robots in college. We We read, we learn, we do, we regurgitate. But with that being said, once you're doing and you want to actively seek to be, you know, not just the $100K that you seem is reachable, but that millionaire target. What is one of the main things of getting you to that target, that millionaire target that you have to shift in your mindset? And I know you touched on value before, so. Valuing yourself, value what you have to offer. How can that be translated into something tangible where you're like, okay, this is actions, this is the numbers I'll get out?

Oh, you say numbers. I think of leveraging your time. So I said earlier, it's harder to make $70,000 than it is to make $1 million. Why is that? Because for the people who are making $70,000, they're trading their time for their money. Maybe they work $30 per hour and they have to work X amount of hours to make this certain paycheck. And they know that in order to make more money, they have to keep going to that job over and over, which means that they're working harder, especially if they have a laborious job, to make that $70,000. What if I can leverage my time wisely where I'm only working part-time, but I'm making way more money? How does that work? Oh, I'm glad you asked. So for the person, let's just say $20 an hour, keep the easy math here. If I wanna do something that's part-time and I wanna sell something for 20, 20, like for $20, well, I need 50,000 people to make a million dollars. Okay, I'm onto something. All right, maybe I wanna not have, maybe I wanna leverage more. Maybe I wanna not do more. Maybe I'll up my price. $200 for the same thing. Now, but I'm creating like really good value, which makes it more valuable. I only need 5,000 people for that. Okay, I made $1 million. Huh, what if I keep scaling that? What if I, you know, let's skip to $200,000. I only need 5 people to buy my $200,000 worth of whatever it is, my offer that is valuable that is probably the same value as a $20 and vice versa. But I only need 5 people for that to make $1,000,000. And I didn't have to work any harder, but I had to go to work to make $70,000 for X amount of hours a day per week. I'm exhausted. I have no time with my family. I try to escape by scrolling my phone. Maybe I do a call with somebody because they have the money, but they don't have the mindset to do something. Maybe they want the body. But they don't know how to achieve the body. But they see you living the dream because your body looks good and they want you to teach them. They'll gladly pay you $200,000. Maybe they make millions of dollars and they want to figure out, well, I want to make more. But I know that in the back of my mind— I've said this before on another podcast— my shirt hits my belly and I always have to stretch it out there and I feel insecure. And that slight tweak of insecurity makes my business deals go bad because that's in the back of my mind plaguing it. That $200,000 price that people would call it as, but that, that, that what they paid for was invaluable because now they're making millions of dollars because that limiting belief is gone.

I like what you said there because at a job you're exchanging time for money, you're already capped and you're capped in the immediate sense. Yes, you can maybe go to another company and get $3 more, but you're always gonna be capped. For that time period. And with you, you got to value your own self. You got to not undervalue what you have. And you'd be surprised. I'm pretty sure majority of us, and we've been in this position where we undervalue ourself and you, you almost think, oh, like if I make it cheaper and more people will buy, but that depreciates the value. Why do people buy BMWs all the time? It's the status. It's the value that they built around the European car that they love. It's the name. They think that it's built better than, you know, a $15,000 car. So they truly value it. And is it always necessarily better than some of the less expensive cars? Not always. We were just talking about this.

We were talking about, and I don't know, you're not really familiar with cars, but there is a new Genesis that's coming out. It's this Genesis coupe, like really sexy, sleek sports car that they're coming out with, a supercar. It looks so nice. And me and my buddy were talking about it like, oh bro, it looks so sick, bro. I would, I might get it. And then I said, bro, would you get a Genesis? Yeah, I just kept it like that. And he was like, yeah, you're right. The car looks good, but at the end of the day, it is a Genesis. And it's like, why do we have such stigmas against a name? Like, the name of something is what makes you say do or die, yes or no. Yeah. And like you said, BMW, you're paying for the value of the brand and what the brand signifies for you to have.

What it comes with. Yeah, what it comes with. I drive a BMW.

Yeah, I mean, people are always doing posts on um, being in BMW community networking.

Oh yeah, everyone's rather being in a Genesis community. Like, there might be a lot— who knows, there could be good people, but that's not where your mind goes.

Yeah, exactly. And that's— and I was thinking about handbags and then, um, Tory Burch and all those other— Louis Vuitton, they were showing the behind the scenes on how the bags are made, and then someone had commented, those are the same bags in China. But you're paying for the name brand because you're feeling better about how it makes you feel. Which again, I, I challenge to say— I'm so sorry, bro, it's not recording over there. What are you doing? Oh my God, we're over here distracted. We're like trying to make a whole series over there.

Army crawling. And I didn't even know you could even do that. I don't ever want to hear that your hip is bad.

Never again.

You better walk those dogs today too. What did I—

what did we just watch? I don't know.

Oh my God. Okay. All right. Yes, I agree with the bags because I mean, to be honest, I'm a woman, so I love purses and I see these less known European brands of beautiful handcrafted leather stitching that are $200, $300 that are very affordable. A lot of people can buy it. That's a beautiful quality and to be honest, is better quality than certain Louis Vuitton, Chanel purses. And the quality is actually going down in those brand names. But what's crazy is that those brand names with Louis Vuitton and all those, their quality is going down, their prices are going up, and people are still buying.

Yep. What was it? Swatch and AP. I don't know if you're familiar with watches. They just did a collab and it was— did a collab? Yeah. And there was this huge release and like they're at all these major malls and stuff. People were piled out there waiting, fighting. You probably saw some videos. I saw a video.

Well, not a video. I saw a picture of a line like a mile long outside a store, but it was just one post I saw.

Okay, well, they're like fighting over the watches, trying to get in the stores to buy them. And it's like the sheep mentality of why that's a thing. But that they were able to create value from a product that wasn't even released yet. And people were already going crazy about it, lined up at the doors, which I want to even say. This is like, this is how my mind works. I think about the person who tries to say, okay, Justin, you talked about selling $200,000 for something like, what do I even need to sell for people to buy? Oh, the watch wasn't even out yet. Well, people are already ready to give money like that. That's crazy. So it's like, how do I craft the perfect offer? Sometimes you don't even have to have the offer. Maybe you have to have the right words. You have to add the value first. Yes, exactly. The words, the values. And people see that and they're willing to pay you. Maybe you don't have the packaging down, but you already know how to help them. And then maybe it's a real-time learning. And at the end of the day, you're helping someone with their problems. That's how you are able to, you know, prescribe the offer that you have or the solution, because that's what businesses are, are solution givers.

Providers. Providers. Good. I love that you say that because it goes back to leveraging and Swatch leveraged AP. Yep. They leverage the value, the brand that people have in AP. The— wow, AP is so— is it intangible? Untangible? Yeah. Not tangible. It's so far out of their reach that they cannot afford AP. So the minute that Swatch leveraged the AP name, and people actually had it in reach, even if they had to use their credit card to get it, they are swiping that credit card. And the same can be for you as a business, you with your brand, leveraging other people in your circle. And even as much as collaborating, being on a podcast, that's why so many people that are, have value online, they do podcast tours. You like, the minute they're releasing a book, you see them on everybody's podcast. And I mean, even down to Emma Greed, like, I didn't know who she was 2 years ago. And the minute she started her podcast and she went online, she was on everybody else's podcast. She did tours. She's everywhere. She's everywhere because she leveraged other people. If she was just continuously doing her single-person podcast forever, I probably would have never stumbled on her videos. Maybe if she did something that, you know, I am co-owner of Good American with Khloé Kardashian, maybe she would have popped up somewhere on my feed. But the minute she started bringing guests on that I knew, or maybe doing like a reaction video or whatever it may be, then it started feeding more into my algorithm. So you have to leverage other people's time, other people's money, investments, those two, whatever it needs to be. But it's always about leveraging yourself with other people and on top of capitalizing, like you said, businesses, a lot of businesses that boom right off the bat is because they capitalized on something. So let's say there's something you're passionate about, like me with sourdough, and I know it's a hot thing right now. Capitalize on it. You like it, you can make money off of it. If you don't capitalize on it, somebody else will. Yep. And so leverage and capitalization, that's a dangerous combo. So I think the minute you get those two things in the room, you gotta go all in on that.

Yeah, and all in meaning that all your emotions should be going in on it. Because again, we're talking about this being a part-time thing. Because when we think all in, we think we have to sacrifice every ounce of our being towards this one thing. And I will argue against myself with saying that is true because you should have a plan A and a plan A. And a Plan A because there should be no Plan B because all your efforts should be going into Plan A. But how do you strategically leverage your Plan A? When we say go all in, am I putting 24 hours a day into it, like manually, physically beating myself up, making this work? No, I don't have to do that. That's why we create content. Content is how you leverage time. I put— we put this podcast out there. When someone watches this, we are not going to be here on camera doing this. We'll probably be doing something else that we enjoy doing. But you're consuming this at a later time.

We're leveraging time. As opposed to doing one-on-one with every single person out there to get in front of more faces. Mm-hmm. You are doing one-to-many and you're doing one-to-many while you're not there.

Exactly. And on another podcast, we'll talk about the power of one-to-many sales specifically because that's where millionaires are truly bred from. And I have all the frameworks and blueprints on how that is leveraged because that is something that I do. And that's who Myron Golden does. That's Russell Brunson, if you're familiar with him. Richmond Din, Omar El-Takrori, a lot of the big influencers. Alex Hormozi, who had his $100 million— I forgot how much millions he made in one weekend doing the same thing. Like, that's how every multi-multi-millionaire makes multi-millions. And we're just talking about $1 million, right? There's like, there's levels, just like six figures. There's more than $100,000. There's $2, $3, $4, $5 million. There's 2, 3, 4, 5, you know, that's how you really leverage yourself with that. But again, going back to the time and doing this part-time, content creation is your digital wealth creation because it is sitting there out there all the time, which is why I always harp on making content because it sounds so cool to talk about something here and there like right now. But then where does that go? The ideal dies, the, the energy dies because it dies within us because we're not doing anything with it. But when you're applying it to the masses and you're teaching people, you're giving them exposure, you're being more interested than interesting. People will look back at you and say, man, okay, they're doing something kind of cool there. What are they doing? Oh, I want to learn how to do that. Oh, they're doing a podcast. They're couples. Oh, they're making millions. Oh my God. I need to get around that energy. Next thing you know, you build a community. Same thing with the person who's watching it. They probably sitting on— they're sitting on million-dollar ideals. But they don't have the exposure to do it.

Yeah, and how many of us out there have had a really great idea or had something they really like, they didn't capitalize on it, and suddenly someone you know or someone in your town or someone online you see is making millions off of the same thing that you thought of a year ago or a month ago, and you're like, dang. Yeah. Oh, I missed the boat.

I missed the boat. And then, then that discourages you, and that's what puts you in that mindset. And it makes you say, oh man, someone already did it, so it doesn't matter for me. I challenge anybody out there, if they have an idea that someone else is doing, that their idea will still work because it is coming from your perspective. It's coming from your experience. It's coming from your angle, your, your skin color, your, your accent. It's coming from where you're living from. You're from Jersey and you're speaking about the one thing that people in California are doing. but it's coming from the Jersey perspective. Like, that's a huge difference. Like, you have to understand your niche is so powerful, and what you feel like disqualifies you is what qualifies you. And people fail to understand that because they see someone great doing it and they feel like that's the end-all be-all.

Well, also, if you think about it, Olipop, Poppi, now Bloom— from a third-person perspective, you're like, those are all the same things. That's what I thought they were. They're prebiotic sodas. Okay, they're for the girly pops. And if— I don't know if it was Poppi or Olipop that started first. I want to say Poppi, but if the first person that saw that was like, okay, this is already great, honestly, it's viral online, everyone's buying it, everyone's promoting it, I'm not going to try to make a prebiotic soda. Those other brands wouldn't have created anything, and they wouldn't have made millions, or heck, I'm sure one of them is going to be close to a billion dollar company soon. And if not already, and it, they wouldn't have been able to do that. And they're all just slightly different, but they're all prebiotic sodas. Yep. I would buy every single one of them. To me, maybe one just tastes slightly better, one has slightly less calories, but they're in the same industry. And if you had that limiting mindset that I'm not even going to start Bloom because Olipop already exists. Yeah. Then I just lost out on probably the biggest deal of my life.

Yeah, and I'm glad you said that because I think of someone who, as a consumer, we buy all these new products because we want to try them. We are paying money to all these different businesses before we're paying ourselves. And why am I— and this is a big thing on social media I'm seeing now, is people supporting all these celebrities who will never recognize you, but you feel really good about promoting their stuff, commenting on their stuff, following, following them, like, on tour, everything about them. But what are you really getting back other than living through them, feeling like you know them? You're not doing anything for yourself. You're giving them the money. And I think that's why I was never really big into sports. I think subconsciously is because I was like, well, I know so many people that knows every single player's name, every position they've done, every great, um, um, milestone that they've achieved, their stats, where they came from, from college to the NBA or NFL. Like, people know all these details about everything, but what are they doing with that information other than arguing with another guy about who's better?

I agree. I've never been a super fan of anything. But I think for those people, one, they either grew up in that household where their family were already super fans, so they were bred into it. Yeah. Or honestly, it was just about finding community. And that's one thing. But then that takes up a lot of bandwidth off of what you could be aggressively achieving. So like, not only you got to know everybody's life, you follow along their life, you follow every game, all those things. You see the, the news. Did they get traded? Whatever it may be, but all that energy could be used to something bettering yourself. Yeah. Not to say don't be a sport fan because honestly, I kind of envy sometimes when people know what's going on, but you could be at 10 stages further in life by just taking a fraction of that time and investing it part-time somewhere else.

Yeah, because if you're going to be into heavy— and I only say sports because I think about people investing all their time and energy into something, but they're not getting anything back. If I'm going to do that, well, I'm going to try to start a channel and start talking about what's going on in the sports news. Like, I'm going to start doing something from my perspective and grow a following. I'm not going to argue with the guy at the bar about, you know, this, and we're both drunk and that's doing nothing for us, but I'm losing money and time and energy wasting it on saying this. Like, that's not millionaire mindset. That's broke mindset.

Yeah. Or even further, I see a lot of people that go to games that aren't in their home city. And they're like, don't wear that jersey because you could be walking along the street and someone from the opposing team will come up and just like hit you or start a fight with you. And you're like, for what? Just because you're a super fan of the other team? It's like, people are crazy.

Yeah. I say all that to say because you have to be the biggest fan of yourself. Just like you're a fan of everyone else and anyone else's brand, you need to be the biggest fan for your own brand. And people wonder why they have the mindset that they have to not be able to pour back into themselves is because they don't pour into themselves. They pour into everything else around them and they forget themselves. They put themselves last and then they sit back and ask, well, why do I do what I do? Well, how can I make money? How can I? And they don't have the answers, but they have the answers for everyone else but themselves.

Well, it's funny you say that because I just saw— I'm sure you don't know this person, but Olivia Jade. She's some big-time influencer. She just launched her makeup brand, but she posted a video saying, I don't want to sound selfish or anything, but can anybody give me recommendations of YouTube people that I can watch that are similar to me? Because I love my content. Who can I watch? Give me recommendations. And a lot of people, like, you would think that sound— that does sound like super, um, egotistical, but She drinks her own Kool-Aid. She loves herself that much that what she does, she loves. She invests in herself. She is a fan of herself because she said on that video, like, I just love watching my own content. Like, can you give me recommendations of more of me? Yeah. And I, at first I was like, oh, it's kind of, kind of odd. But you know what? That was super admirable. And everyone in the comments were like, I love this. Like, you should watch this one. She's just like you. Like, you guys are my top favorites. All these things. Like, no, it wasn't a bad reaction. And I think that is so true. You got to be your own superfan. You got to produce things that you want to either buy, consume, or watch. Because it's true. If you're pumping out content that you're like, I wouldn't even watch myself. Why would you think that someone else would watch you? Mm-hmm. And so even on my sourdough journey, I'm putting out things or videos that I would like to consume. I'm thinking, okay, Who do I like watching? What's their style like? What do I gravitate towards? And how can I, like you said, leverage, mimic? You don't— be yourself, be your authentic self. But the system that works, the system that people gravitate towards, what's a soothing type of video? What are catchy beginnings that are yourself? But people, people like familiar. So if you find something that's really big online that you can make your own, but has a familiar system, people will gravitate towards that. And so I think you got to educate yourself. Yeah. And then, um, gosh, I'm going on a tangent.

That's a good thing. That's what the podcasts are for. Podcasts are for conversations and tangents. That's why we're here.

But back to that, yes, you got to be your own superfan. And yeah, so Olivia Jade is her own superfan.

All right, I like that. Okay. You have to, um, you said vanity and it made me think of a cool quote. There's viral for me and there's views for vanity. So people, you post content that is like you said, something that you would watch because you know who you're talking to. That's a viral for me post. Even if it only gets 10 views, 1,000 views, 10,000 views, great. But you're speaking to that one person. And that's the one who's going viral for yourself. Yeah, views for vanity. I'm posting content because I want to get views. I want people to watch me do this craziness. I want to see— I want people to see me do the dance and shake my boobs and, and bounce my butt on the screen because I'm— okay, I'm just saying, because the vanity. I want to flex my abs and I want to do everything shirtless because of the vanity, and it's gonna get the clicks. Yeah, and it will drive curiosity. And it will happen. But you got to understand, are you posting with intention? Are you posting the post? Like, where are we sitting at? Reason why she was probably able to— and I keep seeing you looking like you have something to say.

Yeah, no, I was just processing.

Oh, okay. Your girl, which I already forgot her name, but she was able to make that, that post or say that question because I'm sure that her posts were very— they weren't vain, or there was very genuine. Yeah, she came from a genuine tone of heart, said, hey, I like what I do. Can I— and it's not— I'm not drinking my own Kool-Aid as much, but I like to see what other people are doing in my niche. Yeah. So she's speaking to that audience and it resonated with her community because they see her as genuine, not just, yeah, I know I've been crushing it and I don't like what anyone else does. And I know that my style is the only way. Anybody else out there doing the same thing I'm doing? Because I know that we're killing it. Like, that sounds terrible.

That is true, because what you're putting out it will attract a certain type of person. So if you go viral for yourself, you are aligned with what you're posting. You like what you're posting. It is you. So if I'm doing a, I don't know, a day in my life and it's just soothing thing that people can watch and decompress from, then that's going to breed people that like my, my content. They are positive people. They just come to support and decompress too. But if I'm And I'm likely watching other people's content that they're doing the same thing, a day in the life, something very girly, pop aligned. But if I posted just with my butt out and doing a dance and a big string bikini or whatever, I doubt I'm watching other people shake their butt in a string bikini, maybe to see how many views they're getting so I can reenact it, but not for enjoyment, not because I like it, because I doubt you're putting your body out there because you like it. Yeah, I mean, maybe, maybe some people are there. There is a demographic, but majority of the people are doing it for money and the views. But would they actually, if they were someone not profiting off of it, still post that? Yeah, that's a real question to ask. Would you post it if you weren't getting— capitalizing off of it? Exactly.

And it's all coming down to the millionaire mindset. Like, what— when you're trying to perceive or receive your millions, like, what are you trying to do? Are you chasing the algorithm, chasing the views, Are you sacrificing your image yourself? And we say sacrificing because we see it as something negative. They may see it as I'm utilizing my assets to leverage, to have people click my stuff, to give me more views, which again, if that works for you, that works for you.

Yeah, it's fair. If it works for them, I'm okay with that.

And again, it's also about like at the root of it, be, do, have. Who are you as a person? When you're older in life, you have kids, Like, I look at like porn stars, like now all of a sudden they want all their stuff off the internet. Yeah, because now they're getting older, they're having kids, they want all their stuff removed. But that money they received, they were in the grind literally getting that money. But now they're looking at like, dang, what did we do? What did I do? I need to remove all that stuff there because now my kids are being affected by it. Maybe I want to settle down and have a husband, but now your husband's like, bro, you know?

Yeah, yeah, that is true. You gotta be aligned with what you're doing because I mean, there are so many big porn stars out there that, I mean, I don't watch the porn, but I'm interested when I see people that are ex-porn stars actually talk real talk on what was their experience and how is their life now being a mom, being a spouse or whatever it may be, and how much therapy they had to go through just to work past what they were going through. It was really dark. Or they just solicited their bodies. And when you're young, you think life is short. You don't think about the repercussions, but a decade from that, that's when it really settles in and you are paying. You didn't— you thought you weren't paying much to get all that money early on, but you paid somehow. And that's what happens a decade later. You're paying for what you did.

Exactly.

So the seed that you're sowing and you're reaping from that you planted, unless that's who you truly aligned with, unless you truly aligned with being a porn star, all power to you, good for you.

But grind on, baby.

If you didn't then that's what I see a lot of these huge porn stars that are some of the top in the industry. I, I can't even regurgitate their names. No, I mean, not because I shouldn't say it on the podcast, but I actually can't think of their name. Yeah, but they are really going through it, and it's really tough to see. Um, and I hate that. I mean, they put themselves in the position, that's true, but I hate to see women go through that, that they felt they had to put their, their bodies out like that.

Yeah. And they, well, I won't harp on it too much, but yeah.

That could be a whole podcast. Yeah. Let's not open that rabbit hole.

So all that to say, for the millionaire mindset. Yeah. On a day-to-day life for ourselves, you know, some people would ask, well, what are you guys doing to, you know, on this millionaire journey? What, What does a day in a life look for you guys? How would you answer that?

I would say, well, first of all, I, we have our own agency with insurance, which I run, I maintain all those things, but I'm also on my sourdough business journey as well. So I think being hyperproductive, but it's something I enjoy. Like if when I'm pausing between calls to do sourdough and do all those things and do content, it's because I like it and it doesn't feel like work. So being hyperproductive in filming, editing, doing all those things, still taking all my insurance calls, maintaining business, growing business, um, putting in all those steps during the day and not getting sidetracked. I don't know if that answered your question of what a day in the life, but all your filler time— so like even when I was back in my W-2 job And I was like, okay, what am I doing part-time to get out? When, you know, I was first starting insurance, my— hate to say it, but on the job, I was pausing the car to sit down, take calls, study, do my test, whatever it is, and carrier knowledge. Lunch break, doing that too. Right when I got off work, I was rushing home, or I'd pull over to the side of the street if I had a call and do that too. I was being hyperproductive because doing it part-time And I like, I really didn't until, you know, insurance has a lot of admin work, but I did it. I do enjoy it. I do help a lot of people and it is exponentially profitable, not like a time in money out job. So I was being hyperproductive in that part-time until I could be full-time. And then I was able to make the jump. And, you know, I could have done that for even longer, I would have kind of lost my mind. But at least what I was doing and what I was doing, because I— in medical sales, you got to drive for your job. So it was extra hard. If you're either stuck in an office or working from home, it would have been easier. But because I had to pull over, lose my mind on a busy road, that was crazy. Anyways, day in the life, I would say never ever quit your day job if you're not prepared. To go a month without pay. You got to keep your day job. We're not saying quit your jobs right now and go aggressively all in. Part-time, you can make a lot of money part-time. You can still become a millionaire part-time because you work an 8 to 5, you still have what, at least 6 hours after that, 5 o'clock to, to 11 o'clock. Most people stay up late scrolling till like 1 AM. And then on top of that, you have your whole weekend. You have all those days. If you work a 12-hour shift, you got 4 days left in the week of doing nothing. So, and then including the days when you get off work, so you can do it part-time. Will it be easy? No. But what's harder, staying in the position you're in or being hyperproductive and spending your excess time in something you like and getting to a better place, or being stuck? And being in the same place? Which one's harder? Because they're all, they're all hard. They're all hard. Not clocking out and working on something you like because you're just miserable, you know, you're still going to be stuck there and you're depressed. That's hard. I, I argue that that's the hardest path, is not doing anything you like, just working and not doing anything part-time to seek what you like, because you are physically not doing anything to allow yourself to grow and to be in a better position. And I have been there. I have been there for many years. And I would say those were the darkest years of my life. And even though I'm— people would say like we work all the time, we would— I would say a lot of this stuff in our eyes is it's productive, but it doesn't feel like miserable work. Like this podcast, it's fun for me. Like we grow from this podcast. Yeah. And where am I going with this? I'm in life. Okay. Yes. Sorry, I know I go off on tangents.

Hey, again, that's what the podcast is for.

Get it off your heart. Okay. Lost my train of thought. That's okay. What is your day in life?

So you kept saying hard a lot and when we think of something being hard, people think, I can't do that because it's hard. And I'm starting to catch an ear for that word. I'm not saying it's you, but I'm starting to catch an ear for when people say something is hard to do. Because hard is a negative word. Hard puts negativity in your mind. It makes you feel like, I can't do this. It brings in what-ifs. Negative— not negativity, but just false beliefs on achieving something. And I feel like everything is easy, meaning it's easy to be a millionaire, it's easy to go to work and work a 9 to 5. It's whatever you are trying to do, you're implementing your time to do, that's what makes it easy. So if you are— it's easy to doom scroll, it's easy to make a post about doom scrolling, it's easy to have a podcast, like all stuff's easy. It's how you persuade yourself into thinking what is easy.

I like that, you know, that mindset shift to change something from negative connotation to positive connotation to get you to do the thing that's better for you.

Um, yeah, mind blown right now, real time.

I am, I'm actually mind blown because every— including like really popular people that like about mindset are like hard, hard, hard, hard, hard. But I think it's really important to have a positive mindset, especially when what we're talking about now, shifting that mindset to break down those beliefs and feel like you deserve and can be a millionaire. It starts with positivity. Like, I'll be honest, it doesn't start with negativity. Negativity will keep you where you are. Like, why?

And that's good. Why do people have negativity in their mind? Like, they think that is like the main question I have. Where does the negativity come from that makes someone think negative about themselves? And social media, the perfect bodies, people with the cars and the money. And why do we see that as like the end-all be-all? Like, that is the pinnacle of where I need to be. And if I'm not there, I'm not happy, which means I'm miserable, which means I have limiting beliefs on myself because now I feel like I can never get there. And I work at this job. It's like that one tweak in your mind on your self-belief is what unlocks everything. And it sounds so easy to say, which is why you ask any guru to Tony Robbins, anybody on how do I become successful? And it's always a mindset. And you're always like, that's a dumb answer. Like, that's such a sugarcoat, like, cookie-cutter answer. But there's so much truth under it. But you rejecting that is the— is your mindset. And that's why you are where you're at. I agree.

You have to Drink the Kool-Aid. You have to be aggressively positive.

And like, don't even say drink the Kool-Aid because you say drink the Kool-Aid, that, that's a negative.

No, but drink your own Kool-Aid. Drink what you like.

I meant like the conversation of drinking Kool-Aid because when you say drink the Kool-Aid, immediate negative. Yeah. So drinking Kool-Aid means cult. It means, um, I don't know.

When I think drinking Kool-Aid, I think, oh yeah, cool. But I think a lot of people happy. Like when you— that's what— where my mind goes when I think of, like when someone's so happy, I'm like, they must be drinking the Kool-Aid, like because the rest of us are miserable over here. And that's like they're positive. So that's where mine goes, my mind goes when I think drinking the Kool-Aid. But you have to be so obsessed with your vision of what you can be, not what you can't be. Because if you're obsessed with what you can't be, you're always going to think of what can go wrong. You got to only think, okay, what can go right? And you know, if things do go wrong, Okay, that actually adjusted my path to the right one. And that's a positive. And I like that you say that because I was actually listening to something a day ago and it was talking about, okay, how can you change your life in one year? And it was saying that a lot of people say you got to, okay, think of the negative outcome, think of the positive outcome, but that's completely wrong. You should only think about the positive outcome because your negative outcome that you imagine will stop you. And you have to— I guess all the people that are successful in life that I can think of believed in themselves, like believed so hard in their dreams that every failure— and everyone does fail, all these successful people have failed many times, sunk companies, whatever it may be, they felt small or big— and they believed in their mission so much, what they should be It didn't matter. They're trying again because they were positive that no matter what, it's going to happen. Yeah. It's just put in the outputs or the inputs and the output will come whether it's after 3 fails, 10 fails, 100 fails. But we are going to be that person.

Failures is the biggest thing that people need to overcome and not just overcome it. You have to accept that failures are part of the process.

Sure. Be positive about failure.

You want to embrace the failures. I think that if once a person embraces failure, versus fearing failure, it'll make the process so much smoother for someone to enjoy, to be able to process the process. I put out a post on Instagram. It was like one of the little thought bubbles, whatever it is, I forget they call it, but I just said, why haven't you started? That's all I put. Someone wrote back, I'm afraid of failing. Like, dude, by you not starting already, you've already are failing. Yeah. Like you're already in your failure. You're afraid of the failure, but you're already doing it now. Yeah. So what are you afraid of? And then it was like, uh, I was like, you're right, I am failing right now. Well, since I've already failed, I might as well do it. Well, yeah, that makes so much sense now. Yeah. Like that one tweak made someone make a move to do something that they want to do, which now is probably going to inspire them to make a lot of money, and I gave them for free.

I do like that too, because even people that you think, oh, they have such a great audience and they have a huge following, but they only got there because they started posting things and thought, oh, that didn't get too many views and didn't really resonate with these people. Okay, let me try this and see if it resonates. And then it did. And they kept pivoting and changing things up and trying new things. And, you know, if something gained traction and it was really— it resonated with their community, let's do more of that. But it didn't happen until they had a couple flops or a lot of flops or different styles. And success never happens by accident unless you hit the lotto. Success Unless those people actually go bankrupt. I was gonna say, you're still fail. Yeah. So success never, ever, ever happens by accident. Those were all intentional. You have to be intentional with life and you only get one. So please be intentional about what you do every day.

Intentional consistency leads to indirect opportunities. Bam. Right then and there.

Put it on the tombstone.

Put it on the tombstone. All right, folks, before we dive too much more, we're gonna save the rest for another podcast. Homework for you guys, if you guys haven't thought about it already. Your whys. Why do you wake up every day and do what you do? What does it mean to be a millionaire? If you are a millionaire, what does it mean to be a $100 million— $100 million— $100 million— $100 million— $100 million— yeah, that's right. A tri-millionaire? No. Okay. All right. Clearly, I'm not one of those. I don't even know how to pronounce that.

So It's the new word you just made up.

New word we just made up, a trimillionaire. Sit with these thoughts and really ask yourself what's holding you back from doing the thing that you want to do, and why do you accept being unhappy with where you're at today? Just realize 6 months from now, when you look back at what you started 6 months ago and say, man, I made it, what was the one thing that made the difference? Was it the mindset of saying I can? I will, I am, or will it be I'm not sure, what if, or it's too hard? Those will make or break anybody. And if you want to be a millionaire, it starts with that. We'll catch you guys on the next pod. Also watch other videos because we talk in a lot of depth about a lot of things. So we're all over the place. Married couple here. Take advantage of us. We learn from millionaires. We pour into people to become millionaires. This is what we do. This is about giving back. This is community. This is God's service. We are servants, and this is what we love to do because we love you.

We're out. Peace. Let's get on the same page.

Yeah, we're never on the same page about outros.