In this interview, Myriam Hadnes talks with facilitator Dov Tsal about his professional identity, why he joined the Never Done Before (NDB) initiative, and the experimental mindset it fosters. Dov explains that his role is to help emergent ideas surface, and he was drawn to NDB because it offers a safe space for daring, unconventional experiments rather than traditional corporate settings. He shares a memorable Zoom experiment where a speaker used split‑screen visuals of a devil and an angel, revealing hidden platform capabilities that expand visual language. From this, Dov derives a meta‑insight: people are limited by what they believe will work, and a stage like NDB encourages thinking beyond those constraints. Finally, he invites anyone interested in emergent co‑creation to the 24‑hour NDB workshop, critiquing conventional conference formats that restrict authentic participation.
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Hello, Dov.
Hello again. How are you?
I am very well. When I see you, I'm always well.
No, thanks a lot. Okay, so let's cut to the chase. What do you want to talk about?
I would first like to know whether you call yourself a facilitator.
Finally. Yeah, among other things, for sure. Um, I think when I interact with people Professionally, mainly, my main goal is to help what wants to emerge emerge, and that's facilitation. So yes.
Beautiful. And what made you join Never Done Before, and what excites you about it?
So, so it's not what, it's who. It's you who made me join Never Done Before, and If we talk about the what, it's— I found that, I still find that it's a great place to examine things that you wouldn't dare examine elsewhere. If you have an open question of whether, I don't know, whether a meeting can be done in total silence, I think the first time you examine how it works wouldn't be with the board of directors, right?
Yes.
So it's a platform to— I would almost say invite failures, only I don't think that it's a matter of failure, but to invite spectacular tests, to invite spectacular experiments. Yeah.
Can you think of one learning or a key insight that you would like to share?
So one of them that I, that I saw is how much we can stretch Zoom's capabilities that no one knows to have a visual support to ideas. So like, I remember one session we had where someone spoke and there was a devil on one shoulder and an angel on another talking with a split screen of blue and red or something like that. I never knew that Zoom supports such a capability. So now when I use Zoom, I know that the language is extended, so I might not always use all the words, but they exist in the back of my mind. So that's like the last one that I can think of. But mainly, um, the one insight that I have is a meta-insight, is that we are limited by what we believe will work. And having a stage that allows us to examine things enhances our capability to think outside the box, like this, this square thing, or the tools that we use, to imagine how things can be totally different and then apply it in the right context.
Wonderful, thank you. And maybe one last question. If you think of the festival, so 24 hours of never-done-before workshops, Who would you invite into the space? Who do you think would be interested in joining that?
I'd say anyone who sees this video, who came that far. Yeah, so, so I think it's very rare, you know, I speak a lot in Forums, conferences, whatever. And most of the time, the conferences limit what I have to say to a predefined agenda. So in fact, we will screen what you say, we will screen your participation, but first tell us exactly what you want to talk about.
Mm-hmm.
And what is the time know, what is the schedule and what are the slides and what are the takeaways. While I think that anyone who can profit from emergence, from just coming and getting what they didn't expect and co-creating what they didn't expect, is more than invited.
Wonderful. Thank you so much for joining us, Dov, and for sharing your excitement with us.
