SPEAKER A and BEN talk back-and-biceps workouts, their Shopify store hitting 37% profit margins, and the debt-to-breakout-product arc. They cover discipline through journaling and Wim Hof breathing, getting ostracized for skipping college, and why video games stopped mattering once they made real money.
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All right, guys, what are we doing? We're going to hit lift base back workout with Leon Hunter.
Kt. This is the manly back day. We decided that in order to hit back as manly as possible, you gotta start with abs, so you can kind of feel it. Yeah. And then now we're gonna hit barbell rows because that's mainly a. Yeah. And we're all about that, man. 20, 26. Yeah. Testosterone.
Yeah. No soy boy, bro.
Yeah, no soy boy.
So, yeah, we're about.
Know what? Typically I'm a. I only go to like, 135. I'm push. Push it up.
Oh, yeah.
I do, like, go like 185 plus. You know what I mean? Yeah. Is that they're circles. If you know anything about circles, there's a lot.
There's a lot to go on. Circles, dude.
To go with the circles.
You have no idea.
I remember seeing the Scott Hily podcast thinking he was schizophrenic, that people were going to think we're schizophrenic as. Yeah, the circles, bro. Circles.
Don't mess with the circles, bro.
This ecom Gabe Deutsch gave D. Yeah. Manliest.
Yeah, yeah.
Lego Manliest. Part about going to the gym is making money through Shopify.
Let's see how much money you make today. Yeah, let me see. I made a good amount of money today. I'm very proud of it. Oh, bro. Ada calms down. That's why. Ooh, ooh. Report.
Today, the margin.
Margin.
Margin is 37%. 37.
Do the math.
Yeah.
Wait, quick. Three bands. Three bands. Damn, he's moving that.
I'm not moving that. What say. We're do the pulley thingies.
Okay.
For lats.
Because one arm.
No, both at the same time. But it gives you more range of moment.
Yeah.
And range of movement. And because we're battle girl wings. We don't know about that, but we're about to grow wings in this ship. So we're going have cables. Cables and cables all blow.
Blow the wings.
Make it pop.
Yeah, make it pop.
I am a. It's interesting when you have the whole system down, too. You just make money.
You just have, like, so much time, bro. Watch me glitch out. Just give me like, two, three weeks.
No, I mean, you're gonna get.
But it's like, at the same time, with more like, freedom comes more responsibility, more like discipline. Because, like, we can like, literally off whenever we want.
Thousand percent.
So you have to be locked in, you know, you have to be really careful about it's. A slippery sl slope.
I think it's a slope of working too much and working too little. There's a good middle ground.
Yeah, there's good middle ground.
I think Sunday's honestly having, like, not necessarily off, but, yeah, chilling out a little bit on a Sunday is not a bad idea.
No, it's God's day, bro. Yeah. Taking time. It's like, dude, sharpening your axe before you cut the wood, you need to sharpen your mind before you go into the week. And then your work is so much better. That's why I do, like, the journaling and. Yeah, you've been doing journaling and, you know, editing, meditation, which just dials you in.
I think meditation has made me not get sick too. Like, physically.
Yeah. No, honestly? Yeah.
Do you Wim Hof breathing?
Yeah.
When you grew up, did your family have money?
No. So I came from, like, lower middle class. We lived in a house and everything. But my parents probably made like 60 to 70 or something, maybe a year, which is honestly not that bad. I think about it back then. But, like, nothing crazy. Like, growing up, I wasn't, like, I definitely wasn't spoiled. I feel like when my parents were raising me because I was the youngest of, like, four, they gave me just a lot of, like, freedom to learn on my own. So I became, like, super independent. And I think that actually helped me a lot because I didn't rely on anybody really. I kind of, like, did my own.
At what point did you snap out of playing video games? You're like, it, I'm gonna figure this out.
I first started making money, like, real money. Like, the high of that. Like, when I made, like, 17 a day for the first time, I was like, what? And then, like, these video games got so boring. Honestly, I still played them when I was, like, kind of trenching a little bit.
Yeah.
But now it's like, dude, what's the point? Like, you realize, like, leveling up or getting a better rank on Siege or, like, Rocket League. Like, it's so, like, it's meaningless. It's literally meaningless. Like, it doesn't mean.
You know, the weirdest part about all the E Commerce stuff and the YouTube stuff is like, I'm sure you do as well, but I used to literally watch these videos.
Yeah.
And then it's like, bro, like, if you actually just show up and every day, eventually you become the video.
No.
Yeah.
I think, like, the fact that you start watching it, like, kind of.
I think it's important.
Yeah, it's super important. Like, I grew up Watching, like, Jordan, like, Seb, like, I'm sure the same dudes you, like, watched. And every time I, like, was on, like, in the trenches, and I just watch their video, like, even if it was the same video, I just watch their. To like, see someone actually do it. Okay. If they can do it, why not me? And now that I've hung out with like, Jordan about to hang out with Seb, which is going to be sick. But you just kind of see they're like normal dudes.
Humans, bro.
But they just. Yeah, they just put their attention towards something for long enough.
Have you read the Slight Edge? I know, Leon. You have, right? Yeah.
Is that a best book ever, bro?
It's such a slight edge. It just talks about how compounds.
Oh, yeah.
Like, you know how, like, money compounds, right? What about like the robot, like, time, like, just putting time into something every day. It's like Instead of watching 15 minutes of Instagram reels before we went to bed, we spent that 15 minutes reading.
Right? Okay. Yeah.
15 minutes of reading for a year. You're gonna become ridiculously knowledgeable in whatever genre books you read. Yeah, it's the same that applies with everything else.
Yeah, that's sick. I've heard. I've read like the Compound Effect. It's not like nothing about the concept, but that's the same. It's.
It's like literally nothing that everything all at once. Yeah, it's like that. You know, they talk about like particle acceleration.
You don't really.
Particle accelerator particle just has had so much potential energy for so long that eventually just. It goes. Yeah, and that's what this econ is.
Everyone's got potential, bro.
Like when you. When you're making 10k a month, did you go like immediately to 100?
No. No, I wouldn't say no. It was like kind of a slower thing, but it was like 10 and like 20, then like 80.
Yeah.
And then. But yeah, but yeah, it did like shoot up super fast. You know, it wasn't like immediate, but it definitely like.
But you stuck at like 10, 20 for a while, and then randomly you.
Just did less than. I wasn't making any money. I was like losing money. And then I hit like 10. And then from then on, just. You have to many ups and downs.
You know what was interesting? I saw a video that you put up like, probably two weeks ago, and you're like, there's always going to be downs. And I was like, bro, this shit's.
Not going to happen.
Like, and then randomly my margin went to 15% the next day, EMCA Insider AD account down, Facebook page ban and then domain switch the same day.
That's insane.
Like, no, that's just not real. It's not going to happen.
Yeah, no, there's always going to be stuff that happens, but, I mean, it's like inevitable. But I've been through so much, like, hard times that like, nothing really faces me anymore, which I'm so grateful for. Like, just like I thought I was gonna have to get a. So I had like my first winner ever, 2023, in like January or something. And like, that's when I quit my job and kind of went all in. And then I didn't really find another winner because it was like a seasonal thing, like another few months. I mean, I tell the story all the time, but, like, I was going in debt. Like, I had to like actually consider getting a job. And then the next day, like, literally buzzer beater just hit a five row ass product. Just scaled it so hard. It was like, dude, it's just crazy how. Funniest thing though, that month I was in debt was like the most grateful. Not really.
Yeah.
Because I read in the Bible at that time a story about, you know, Daniel and the lion's den.
Yes.
And like how he was just praising God the whole time and like, he wasn't fearful and he chose to just not. Not have fear and just to praise God and be grateful. And then he was released and he made it out like, safely. And like, I really took inspiration from that. You know what? I'm like, kind of effed right now. I'm just gonna try to be as grateful as I can and just, you know, thank God either way. And really blessed me because of that. Ever since then, she's been up super sick.
Life is fire, bro.
Great, dude. Yeah.
Like, I feel like I have such.
Sympathy for people who like, just don't know, like, how good life can be, like, who think it's so normal. Like work all the time for something that you don't want to.
To me, those guys at Jersey Mice.
Yeah, dude. To me I'm like, dude, this is suck.
This literally look like slavery. I think like earlier when we were eating breakfast.
Yeah. Wow.
She doesn't want to be there.
Yeah. And there's some people who enjoy stuff like that, but, like, majority of people are just like, so lost. They've been raised in a society that teaches you that you kind of like, molds you not to try or to fail or to like, attempt anything. Crazy.
I think that was recent where I was like, it was cool not to try.
Yeah.
I was like, what the. Yeah.
Did you, like, you had friends and did you get, like, ostracized at all when you were, like, starting income? Like, did you, like, talk to anyone? They were like, saying, you're weird.
I think the crazy is, like, looks so delusional because I record literally the very first day I started ecom. Yeah. And I was telling him, I was like, bro, it. I figured it out. Like, it's gonna work out.
Yeah.
And then it wasn't that they ostracized me. It was that I ostracized myself. I don't want to say I regret it, but, like, I just. I didn't hang out with anybody. And I started losing. Like, I lost like, a lot of my good friends because now they go and they smoke all day or they go and they, like, they just want to go and drink and gamble. And they have three TVs in the house. I swear to God, three TVs on the first thing with the double couch. And they just smoke weed all day and drink. And it's like, those are still my boys. But it's a sad life, bro. Like, look at the mountains.
It's.
We go into this, we aren't stuck, like, in like, you know, like in a college town. And, you know, the next 16 months, it's gonna be the best 16 months of their life. And then after that, it's gonna suck.
Yeah.
Just downhill. And it was sad because, like, I had one of my boys recently tell me, he's like, ben, you're about to go to all of us. I was like, what do you mean I'm about to go through. I'm just like, it's just a different life.
It's a different life. Exactly.
I don't have the same interest anymore. Yeah, you get ostracized.
I feel like I did a little bit, like, not going to college really separated me from my friends. Everybody went to college. And, like, I told him, I was like, yeah, I want to do like some sort of business stuff. Told him about, like, Dr. Shipping whatnot. And like, I remember there's one dude who's like, yeah, you should actually, like, do that.
Like, just.
Just go hard. And like, he low key believed. But I lowkey felt like all my other friends were like, I know. I got this guy's like, you still talk to them? Yeah, I still talk to them. And, like, they're good. And like, the thing is, though, I.
Don'T blame them, like, oh, 100.
Because, like, that's Just how the race. That's just how society is. And so I don't blame anyone for thinking that.
I think also. So when I got into E. Comm, I was telling my friends, like, that we're all in cauldron, and then we're graduating. Good. A job.
Yeah.
And I'm telling them my dreams are bigger than that. And because my dreams are bigger than that, it's almost like they feel offended, dude. So project that back. It's like, no, like, you're not gonna make it because, like, I don't want to support you because your dreams are further than what mine are. And, you know, it's just. It's human nature to do that, right?
Yeah.
So I don't believe, like, same thing with my parents now. Like, my parents are getting. My dad's a doctor. He wants to get.
Yeah, it's so sad.
My mom's retired. My brother's getting so.
Yeah, it's crazy how now, like, I'm, like, 23, and like, this past summer especially, is when all, like, my peers graduated from college, basically. And the amount of dms I've gotten that are like, put me on, yo, bro. Mentor me. Like, they're still lost. Like, yeah, they got a degree, but, like.
And it's. It's crazy to think that because, like. Like, when I was in college, I guess it was like, I was very privileged to be like, hey, the degree doesn't mean anything because there's people in, you know, countries were going to colleges, like, literally.
Yeah.
Best case scenario. But I think human, you always want more. Yeah. And I don't know, you see, like. Bro, you see this? I mean, like, what the are we pulling into, right?
Ye. Look at this family.
Beautiful family. What's up?
We got a Brabus. Freaking.
It's a Brabus.
Is it that one? No, this one right here. This is a Brabus sprinter. What? Yeah, it says bravo. So the inside's, like, sick.
Oh, like, look at this crib, bro. And I'm not. I'm not materialistic, but, like, yo.
Yeah, dude.
Like, insane. And look at these mountains, bro. I mean, like, this is beautiful, bro. Is this park gonna be black and white, too, or. No, no, no.
This definitely has to be color. But the workout.
Black and white. Wow, bro. I really like this.
Yeah.
Ferrari to mambo.
No. Yeah. That's Fire911 Pickle Court right here.
Oh, there's a pickle court. Yeah.
Wow.
Wow, that's peaceful. Is that part of his house?
And he has one of them, but.
Like, they left, dude, this is your neighborhood at 23.
Dude, I'm 23.
Aging is also a weird thing.
Yeah, but now it's like, yeah.
I mean, oh, my God, look at.
With the wisdom there.
Guys, did you know the universe is expanding with Bro, that comment I saw earlier about being honest, bro, you can be money.
It's the best thing, honestly. Yeah, dude, I'm retarded. I'm not like actually, but I am like, I'm retarded in a way, like, where I try not to think too much about and just do it, you know? Like, some things, obviously you have to think, but, like, some things you just.
Gotta send it, bro.
Like moving out here.
I just sent it. Yeah, to send it.
Yeah, you want some dad lore? Tell your kids back.
