Promote your Substack like a Publicist with Substack Bestseller and ex Publicist, Suzanne Noble

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We're live. Yes. We're going to be two by the end of it, I suspect, because we're at such an odd time for everyone else. But for whoever joins, maybe there's a few people in Asia. Oh, we have Anatoly and Jennifer. Nice. Hello. Welcome to Me Time with Suzanne Noble. I invited Suzanne today because She used to be a publicist and I've been inspired by some posts and notes that you've shared where you, you basically were mentioning that your publication was mentioned in, in the media and things like that. And I feel like we could learn so much from you, Suzanne Noble. So welcome and thank you for accepting the invitation.

Thank you so much. I'm really glad to be here. And it's so funny that we're both in Thailand. So yeah, small world. I'm in, I'm in one place, you're in another. But yeah, I mean, I was a publicist for over 20 years and I ran quite a successful PR agency. And when I stopped doing PR for other people, I started doing PR for myself. And I realized that actually PR is a great way amongst the many ways that we can take advantage of what's out there to generate publicity for ourselves. And in this case, we're talking about for our Substacks and I have been very successful at creating publicity, um, articles in newspapers, been on a BBC documentary about sex over 60, um, and loads and loads and loads of women's magazines with quite a significant frequency since I started doing this about 3 years ago. I mean, to be honest, the growth of this was my own channel, Sex Advice for Seniors, was in part due to some fantastic timing. And so much of publicity is about really great timing because you really need to hop on stories when they happen and not wait. I think that's one of my really big takeaways from when I was a publicist, was that I would get incredibly frustrated with my clients who would not seize the opportunity that I had presented in front of them to get more publicity for their product or their service. They'd be like, oh, you know, I'm really busy. I'll phone that journalist up tomorrow. And I'd be like, no, no, there's, it's not about tomorrow. It's about, it's about right now because journalists have busy lives. They're often on very tight deadlines. And the one thing I would say is that if you do find a journalist that's interested in talking to you about what you're writing about, don't wait to get in contact with them. You really need to be on it. And, uh, you, because the first person is basically the person that often enough gets the opportunity and people who are not on it don't get the opportunity. So I think that's one of the big takeaways for me is that you really do have to seize the opportunity when it presents itself. And, and so much of what I've achieved has just been because I saw something, I wrote to someone immediately, they responded, said, this sounds great. And then I, I gave them back what they wanted. And I think that's the second point for me is that you have to give them what they want. It's not about what you want. It's about what they want. So often journalists will post in various places. There's Facebook groups where Journalists are reaching out for spokespeople. X is another big one, x.com. There's something called Help a Reporter Out, which is shortcutted to HARO with a hashtag on X. And people will be looking for case studies, all different types of case studies, and they'll be looking for people with your area of expertise. And so, what you don't want to do is write them a whole big long essay. You literally just want to write them a few lines. Says, look, I saw what you've, what you posted and I'm, and you know, I fit your description exactly. Here's 3 sentences about me. If this interests you, let me know. And that's it. Like, don't, don't, don't give them a whole big long diatribe about how amazing you are because they just are not going to be interested in reading that.

And they might be scared to invite you on if it's a live interview because they're going to be scared maybe you're going to just talk the ears off and not really focus on those 2 minutes that you might have in the limelight or in the spotlight.

Totally, completely.

Suzanne, because your podcast has such a great angle, right? It has such a specific and kind of, kind of, okay, it's not sensational because let's hope everyone has sex beyond 60s, right? But but it kind of is viewed in a, in a manner that's like, amazing, oh my God, people over 60 have sex and need to, I don't know, make some adjustments because, you know, hips hurt, things are not as lubricated, so on and so forth. But for publications that, where we feel like we don't really have this amazing angle, or I don't know, sensational thing, how can we grab or spot that moment that can interest a journalist or a publicist or someone to kind of team up and work together?

Yeah, I mean, I always think, think tangentially. So whilst they might not be interested in specifically what it is you are writing about, think about the other aspects of your life that might be of interest. So for instance, You're a woman, you're combining your career with, you know, raising a family. You're pregnant at the moment. And it's kind of like, what is it? You know, how do you juggle, right? Like, how do you juggle as a, as a working woman with a solo career who is expecting a child? It's more— it's a great human interest story. People are often interested in like How do women go, you know, make it on their own, right? We know, especially these days, what are the opportunities that are out there to generate an income outside of just going into an office? So, so it's— so it may be a story about, you know, how I left my big corporate job to set up a publication that now help solopreneurs navigate the legal aspects of social media platforms, for example, right?

It's very good. I'm going to copy that text. Like, let me, I'm going to give you an example and you tell, you tell me if I kind of missed the train on that. So this spring there was Everywhere in the news that Copenhagen is back as the happiest place in the world or something like that. The best city to live in. Yeah, live in Copenhagen. And I have my hot take on it. And I was thinking about it because I think people think, oh, if I move into the happiest place in the world, I'm going to be the happiest or something like that. The happiness will brush up on me and I'm just going to exude anything. And I just saw an article a while back saying, oh, I moved back after 2 years from Copenhagen and I hated it and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, and then I was seeing on Substack around that time, some ladies that got published into The Guardian and other things about my experience visiting Copenhagen. And I'm like, but I live here. How do I get in touch with them? So I probably missed the train on it, maybe a little bit, but like, is that kind of what you were talking about? Grabbing, seizing the moment.

Yeah, absolutely. And I'd say that often people see a story and then they think, oh, I've got a similar story to that. I'm just going to repeat that somewhere else. And, and what's interesting about what you suggested is the fact that you've got a completely different angle on it. So it's probably not about going back to The Guardian because The Guardian's already done that, but thinking if there's another publication that might be curious or interested in that. I actually did have an article picked up for The Telegraph, asked to write an article on The Telegraph from a note that I published that said, you know, that was just talking about my relationship. And I got paid for that article, which was great. But I would say, is there another public, you know, is there like, would you go, for example, in the UK to something like The Telegraph with an article like that? And again, it has to be quick. Because if something like that comes out and it generates a bit of a buzz, they're going to want to see that within the next few days because otherwise it's dead. So, you know, you see that, you think, here's 5, you write your copy line is 5 reasons why Copenhagen's not all it's cracked up to be, right?

Yeah. And you don't have the article fully ready, right? Do you just—

No.

Yeah.

No, you say I've been a Copenhagen resident now for the past 20 years and I saw this article about blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And while it may be true that, you know, some people here are happy, here's 5 reasons what that make it not so great a place to live.

Right. So here I am.

Yeah, exactly. Like I met somebody from Copenhagen here at my, I'm doing Muay Thai. My boxing class and there's a kid here from Denmark, from Copenhagen. He's come with his family so he can work out here. But, but yeah, I mean, it's about seizing the moment with those stories and going to another publication that hasn't already run the same story and saying, you know, here's, here's, um, here's another on it. So I think that's a really good idea. And often if you want to know where you can find the addresses of those journalists, because that's the next thing that's really difficult is like, well, how do I find them? I have over the past years found that X is a really good way to find people by just literally putting in the search engine either the, the, like the publication that you would like to go to and put it under and then look under the people section. When you put it through search, it'll tell you all the people that work for that publication who are on X. And either you can send them a direct message through X, or often enough they have their email address within biography. So that's another opportunity to go and find them. And I would say that that's a— I've used that as a really successful way of tracking down journalists. Sometimes they're on LinkedIn as well, and you can contact them via LinkedIn sometimes, although I'd say that generally And I haven't looked at Bluesky, but I would say look at those sorts of platforms where media is often hanging out. And for me, for a long time, it was Twitter, now X. So I think it's probably still a pretty good place to go and just try and see if you can track down some email addresses.

Yeah. And write to a few people, I assume, is the next, or just—

You, I wouldn't, I wouldn't go too crazy. Because, you know, you don't want 5 people coming back and saying yes to you, although that would be a lovely position to be in. But typically I would, yeah, I mean, 5 is probably about the right number. Sometimes I just try and go to somebody that I think is absolutely going to be the right publication.

Do you, and it's not like you always know the person, you just reach out through X. Yeah.

I mean, I definitely don't know them. I would say the other thing as well is to know what sections do what. So for example, features tends to be longer articles, right? They're feature stories. So the why Copenhagen is the best place in the world. Is most likely going to be with the features editor. They're the person that is going to have commissioned that article, and they're going to run that. If, on the other hand, it's, you know, a bomb just exploded down the street or something, that's news, right? Sometimes news will pick up stuff that's feature-led, especially if it's attached to something like a survey. So if you've got a survey that you've run and the survey's got a bunch of results, then typically I would go to the news editor with that survey, not the features editor. But you might want to write to features and news because sometimes there's a bit of a crossover with that. So I would say, but you know, you don't, I would say it's probably not right, for example, for the travel editor because the travel editor wants positive stories about going to visit place. Places. They don't want shocking negative stories about going to places because their whole job is to incentivize people to go and visit other places. So typically they would write the 5 reasons why Copenhagen is great. That would be that the travel editor might write that because it's encouraging people to go to Copenhagen, but they probably wouldn't write 5 reasons why Copenhagen sucks. That might be That might be off the back of the survey that said Copenhagen is great. Here's 5 reasons why Copenhagen sucks. That might be features or it might be news. So it's also about knowing who, who runs what.

Yeah. And hopefully maybe they talk amongst, uh, one another, the, the editors, but who knows? We can't—

no, they don't. No.

And they com— do they compete with one another, um, for stories or just, they're just too busy to.

No, they don't normally talk to one another. So people working in features work in features and people working in news work in news. They don't normally cross over. They don't have, like, they don't sit around the table like everybody that works in the newspaper and discuss what they're gonna run.

That's the myth, right? That that's what we see in the TV shows about news. Yeah. Media and whatever. There's always the room and everyone's in the room and everyone's like pitching. We're like, ah, okay. So I think I'm already getting so confused. So much good information. I was telling Suzanne before we joined, but I'm gonna take notes. It's a live that selfishly for me to learn how to promote my publication if the opportunity comes, um, beyond Substack and hoping that the notes river is good to us that day. For me, it hasn't been for a year, so here we are. If you have questions for Suzanne, put it in the chat and I'll keep an eye on it and ask away. Suzanne, apart from published media, what are the type, like websites, could that also work? Um, podcasts, what else do you have in your PR, uh, bag to, to, to tell us about?

Yeah, definitely. I mean, I think that podcasts are a really great way as well. I've been on loads and loads of podcasts and there's a few ways to get guests, to become a guest on a podcast. There's a couple of platforms. There's one in the US, it's also in the UK called Quoted, Q-W-O-T-E-D. And it's a platform where you can promote yourself either as a guest or somebody looking for guests. So, you put a bio out there. There's also an opportunity on Quoted to look at what journalists are searching for with regard to case studies. So that's another good place to look. In the UK, we've got something called Newspage, which is another platform where, where they post out inquiries for people with all different types of expertise looking for case studies for mainly print media. With regard to podcasts, there's a platform called matchmaker.fm and there's a there's a few kind of podcast matching platforms. Some of them are free to join. I think I didn't pay to join Matchmaker, and you can search for people who you want on your podcast. And again, you can also present yourself as a guest. There's, there's a few of those different types of platform. In the UK, we have something called ResponseSource. It's a paid-for service where journalists post looking for case studies. And it's often used by companies as well as individuals who've got the budget to be able to find opportunities to speak with journalists. So there's quite a few places like that, and you can just reach out to podcasts yourself through— normally they'll have like an inquiry form where you can just fill in and pitch yourself as a guest. I would say start aiming fairly low to start with. You know, you don't want to like call up Diary of a CEO, for example, as your first thing. But, you know, you can definitely find smaller podcasts that are looking for guests. There are Facebook pages, there are Facebook pages where it's like find a guest, and there's a Facebook group called Lightbulb that's used a lot in the UK. To find mainly press opportunities, but also some radio as well. Um, and radio is another place. I mean, the other thing I always say to people is that you would be surprised at what, uh, journalists consider to be newsworthy. And often the best place to start is actually just looking at your own local newspaper or your own local radio station because if you've achieved anything on, on Substack, for example, or you've won an award or you've become a bestseller or, or something, you might find that your local newspaper is really interested in that. And it's— and, and normally I would say about the local newspaper is they're nice people. Media people can sometimes be a bit hard to deal with because they're You know, they're working to these deadlines and sometimes they really don't have a lot of time and they, they can't, they can come across sometimes as rude. And typically local media are really looking for stories. They're looking for things that are happening locally. So if you've got an event happening locally, if you've achieved some recognition that you'd like to announce, we recently had our Advantages of Age Awards and one of our winners which was the Substack winner actually for the best pro-aging Substack. She's now been covered in her local newspaper for winning that award. And she's also had her local counselor reach out and send her a letter to say how impressed she is with that. And I was like, wow, you know, I mean, we're not like, we're not Grammys or anything, but I thought that it was great that she capitalized on that opportunity that she had. Having won that award, you know?

Yeah, and people don't know how to reach out to you. They don't know what everyone is dealing with. And actually, we need to be proactive about it. And I have a question on the chat from Shemaya, and I know she's a designer, and she wrote, but would PR, I guess also journalists, really work if you're just starting out in public— in your publication and business, so you don't have that many accolades to showcase? Do we think about the human angle then? Because I know Shamaia was saying that she's on the spectrum, for example. So starting your own business, being on the spectrum, being a designer, having to deal with people, how do you deal with that? Maybe that's kind of what is coming to me as you're kind of giving us the tips, but what do you think?

Yeah, and I think, you know, being a neurodiverse woman starting off on her own is a really, is a is a nice angle. I mean, just to, it's not really about the numbers. I would say that often it's not really about the numbers. When I started my podcast, I had one episode and it was a film that came out called Good Luck to You, Leo Grande with, what's her face anyway? And she's just completely slipped my head, Emma Thompson. She was a 61-year-old woman who was, you know, looking at having her first orgasm with a man because she'd never had it during her marriage. And at the time, the media were looking for 61-year-old women who were talking about sex. And me and Peter, who I was doing my podcast with at the time, had one episode. We'd literally just started. We had one episode. And they—

great timing.

And they reached out to me and said, wait a minute, like, you've got this Sex Advice for Seniors thing. You're 61, right? And I was like, yeah, yeah. And they said, um, can we interview you? I said, but I've only got one episode. And they said, it doesn't matter because you've got it. You've got one. That was it. I just, I fit the bill and we got so much publicity. And off the back of that publicity, we got, you know, the subscribers on Substack and loads of downloads and the thing just blew up. It really took off. But I always joke that we only had one episode. So sometimes it's just going back to what I said before, it's about seizing the moment. There was this great opportunity, this 61-year-old woman who was going on this sexual journey, and I was a 61-year-old woman who had, you know, was on a sexual journey, I suppose. So yeah.

And podcasting about it.

Podcasting about it, yeah. I mean, with one episode, there was like nothing there, nothing. But it didn't, it didn't matter. So I would say never think that, you know, your numbers aren't significant enough. You haven't done enough. Honestly, you can have one post on— if your story is strong enough, then that's good enough.

So jump on it is the main advice. You see something where you feel like you have an angle or something to add, find on Twitter or X whatever it's called, X, the journalist in a publication that could, would be interested in maybe running a different angle on kind of what other publications are doing and just try, right? Don't discard yourself before the journalists themselves say no to you or don't answer or whatever. Because like, what's the worst that can happen? That you don't hear back from them? That's okay. Because you're pitching, you're not writing full articles, spending 7 million hours and then being disappointed. And by the time you finished your article, like, the story is kind of half over because someone attacked some country or I don't know what, and nobody wants to talk about sex advice for seniors or me time or anything, uh, you know, more hygge, more, more fun. Um, so yeah.

I have another suggestion as well that I think that has always worked for me in the past, which is around collaboration, because often, like, when you Um, when Shamiya was talking about being neurodiverse and being a designer and setting up her Substack, my immediate thought was, is there someone else who is known for being neurodiverse who's been in the, in the media recently that you could piggyback your own experience of neurodiversity in the workplace to talk about? That's the one thing. The second thing is, are there two other people? The media love the power of three, I always call it. So often when you see them talking about a story that's in relation to entrepreneurs, they always use 3 different examples. So rather than them going off and find them, can you bring them 2 other examples of people who are doing interesting things so that you can say that there is, you know, for, for instance, in my, with my other hat on. Which is with my Startup School for Seniors, HADO, which is a course that I deliver. Probably about 20, maybe more than 20% of the people that come to our program wanting to start their own business have got some form of neurodiversity, typically something like ADHD, for example. And often what's happened is they've come into freelancing or self-employment because the workplace doesn't really know how to accommodate their neurodiversity. So they've decided that they're gonna set something up for themselves that works for them and their brain, right? And it's not, it's, and it's becoming more and more common. And I'd be curious to know how many people with ADHD, for example, are freelance or self-employed. Like, is there a higher percentage of people who have got ADHD who are self-employed than people who don't have ADHD, because I suspect that there's quite a high number of people who are on the spectrum in some way who go and find self-employment because the workplace hasn't really accommodated them in the way that they need.

Yeah. And also with going back to work mandates and things like that, where finally people that were struggling with ADHD and things like that could kind of be in their own cocoon and work and were doing their best work. Finding their routine and all of a sudden they're like, nope, you gotta go back in the office. And maybe they also moved halfway across the country and now they're like, what do I do next? So many people get pushed. And I think having this finger on what's happening in the world, um, like I was scrolling on Substack and I'm like, what the hell is this ICE thing? And then my husband filled me in. I'm trying to stay away a bit from news because I'm pregnant and I don't want to stress myself out and there's too many wars happening at at the moment and more on the horizon, apparently. So I'm like, protect me, tell me just the absolute minimum. And I was like, what's ice? And then he told me, and I'm like, oh, I regret finding out. But that's kind of the thing that people that can deal with it need to kind of be aware of and think, okay, for example, we had people traveling for work in the US and they were getting their laptop seized and they would be refused to enter unless they gave access to their laptops, but that's a breach of their employment contract. Then they're afraid to get fired. That's a story you can definitely pitch to a journal. You know, coming from—

Yeah, I'd say that for me, it's like a news story, right? Because in the news at the moment, it's the fact that people are worried about traveling now. They're worried about their social media being investigated. They're worried about their laptop being seized. And, you know, and if this, if in these sorts of circumstances, how do we, you know, if something like that were to happen to you, well, that's the first thing you do is you'd ring up the newspaper, right? And you'd say, my laptop was seized. I can't work. This is the consequence of me trying to come to this country. That's a, that's a news story. You know, the more of a feature story is 5 ways that you can, you know, that you can keep yourself safe while traveling to ensure that you can actually cross borders safely and you can get into the countries that you need to get into. So do we need to wipe our social media? Do you know, like, what do we need to do here to be able to, be able to travel safely? So I think there's stories around that as well. And again, going back to like, okay, it's not specifically around your Substack, what you're doing, but often the point of all of this, 'cause obviously a lot of people are gonna go, well, what's that got to do with my Substack? Why should I care about that? You know, it's because you're gonna get what's known as a plug, right? They're gonna say, Suzanne, 'He has a Substack called Sex Advice for Seniors. Recently was not admitted to the US because of XYZ,' right? So the, you know, the trade-off is somebody goes, 'Oh, that's interesting. I'm going to Google Sex Advice for Seniors and see what that's all about.' It's not that they're going to write specifically about that. And so a lot of what I do is not specifically related to Sex Advice for Seniors at all. It's about, it's about the time that I, you know, I visited a, you know, a sex party, or it's about the time that I, you know, entered my menopause and my libido dropped through the floor, or, you know, whatever, whatever it happened to be. So don't think we want to be so myopic in how we're thinking about this. Think— that's what I'm saying is like, think expansively, like, what are all the interesting things that go on in your life every day? Like that can potentially interest somebody, you know, a journalist. And it's, and often it's not related to your substack at all. It's just the fact that, you know, you're, you're doing things differently. I mean, I'm, you know, I'm here in Thailand as you are, and I'm probably one of the, well, there are certainly older people here, so it's not like I'm the only digital nomad type person who's wandering around Thailand. But I would say that I have done quite a few stories about being a digital nomad in my 60s, and then they refer to what I do because it makes sense within the context of the story.

So introduce you, who's Suzanne Noble, right? And then that's my question. Like if you're, if a journalist that's doing a news piece, um, about something that's happening, let's say again, Copenhagen for me, uh, how do I ensure that they mention that I write on Substack? Well, when they ask me what I do, I say I'm a Substack writer, and that's kind of like, you kind of give your, the thing that you want to promote as, as who you are, as your intro, to make sure that hopefully gets into the news story instead of, like, if you give them a full CV, they're going to say, yeah, yeah.

I mean, I just whatever.

Yeah.

Yeah. Look, I'm just very, you just have to say right out, like, I would really appreciate it if you mentioned my Substack, it's called Me Time and this is what it is. And, you know, so when they say, how do you want to be referred to? You say, I want to be referred to as this, who does this, you know, and again, they're not going to give you, especially if you're doing something about the 5 things that don't make Copenhagen so great a city to live in. They're not going to give you paragraphs about your substack.

Yeah. Yeah.

So whatever it is that you're going to do, keep it really succinct. The other thing I would say is, which is really super important, is around images. Um, lots of magazines and newspapers will expect you to have a really good high-resolution image that is going to fit with their publication. So. Have a selection of high-quality images. And by high quality, we mean that they're probably going to be 3, 4, 5 megabytes in size. These are not 134 KB or whatever. These are high-quality images. And they, you know, either they've been professionally taken or they're of good enough quality that they can be used in a publication. So have those in a Google Drive. So if you're out doing the food shopping, and somebody rings you up and says, we're just about to run this, can you send me over some pictures? You're not like, oh my God, I'm not going to be home for another 2 hours. I wasn't expecting this. I don't know what, you know, and freak out. You just literally send them a link to your Google Drive, to your folder and go, here you go and carry on with your shopping. I mean, the number of times people have rung me up to ask me for pictures when I'm out. And I'm like, okay. And they're all on my phone. They're all on Google Drive. So I don't, I don't worry about it.

That is such awesome advice. We're hitting the half hour mark, just over. And I know people are trying to go back to bed. Some are trying to go about your day. So I want to ask you as the last question, do you have anything else that comes to mind now that we've like kind of unfurled a bit the, the, the story about promoting Substack that we haven't mentioned yet?

No, I mean, I, as I said before, and you know, I, I just think there's no time like the present. So if you see something and you think this applies to me, it does take time. I suppose that's the thing that I would always say to people because It's another job, really, like looking at X every day and looking for hashtags like #journo request, which is a hashtag that gets used on X when people are looking for case studies. #haro, like I said before, H-A-R-O, that's another hashtag that people use. All of this sort of stuff, looking, writing, responding, sending pictures, keeping on top of things. It's another job. So if you want to appear in these publications, you have to put the work in. It's not, they're not going to come to you. So that's what I would say. It's like, you know, do, do the work.

And you're saying, uh, Suzanne, that it's definitely worth it to kind of put the word out there beyond just the Substack river that we're out here doing our thing, being amazing and then multi-talented, multi, I don't know, with, with several interests that could really inspire other people or kind of get a better or a different angle to a reality that everyone's writing about.

Yeah, I think, I think the challenge with Substack nowadays is going to, and as the platform grows, it's getting noticed. So it's one way of achieving standout without relying on just generating endless notes. Um, because I do think that while Substack is a great place to find other writers and for other writers to find you, it's also getting very crowded and very noisy. So I think in a way we are responsible for looking at other places that we can go to find that audience that we're looking for. And certainly reaching out to journalists and using the media is definitely one way of doing that. For sure.

And another way that you're just witnessing is doing a live with someone that you have something in common with, or your buddies for some reason. Because as you are live, there's little buttons that pop out all the time saying, oh, by the way, if you like Suzanne, subscribe to her publication. Or by the way, if you like Noemi and you want to learn how to Substack without burnout, subscribe to her publication or whatever. So, you know, collaboration, showing up as a real person and not just words on, on the screen is so important to build that trust factor that is key when you're trying to build something that's beyond just people reading your newsletter, which is kind of the first point, but maybe you want to build a business, maybe you want to create a community, and for that you need to show up at least two-dimensionally, if not like 3D, right?

Yeah, absolutely. And guest posts, things like live is fantastic. And just as a reminder, I'm Suzanne Noble from Sex Advice for Seniors. And if you liked what I said, then check me out.

And also because Suzanne Noble has amazing advice on her other publication, about the entrepreneurs. Um, Suzanne is full of really good advice for entrepreneurs, for the digital nomads.

Thank you.

Please subscribe. You're not gonna, not gonna regret it. I feel like you're the person that just gets to the subject, tells you, gives you the goodies, and we get on with day whilst other people can kind of just sell themselves so well. But when it comes to it, it's like, okay. Maybe I got 2, 3 nuggets out of it and that's it. I feel like you just gave, gave, gave this whole live and I thank you so much. So much information.

I know, do you know I teach this and charge for it.

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It's, it's turning into a big essay, that I'll tell you. That's turning into— I keep waking up in the middle of the night and keep writing it. Yeah, my legs. Yeah. Anyway, take care. Bye-bye.

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Oh, I don't know how to do it.