The Human Aspect: Interview with the Founder/CEO, Jimmy Westerheim

Hello and welcome to the Soul of Innovation podcast. I'm your host Thomas Anglero, and sitting in front of me is a friend, someone who challenged me a few months ago and asked me to tell my story, and he captured it on video and is on his website called thehumanaspect.com. And he's the founder of The Human Aspect. His name is Jimmy Westheim. Jimmy, say hello, please introduce Hello, thank you so much for inviting me, Thomas.

It's always a pleasure, no matter if it's by chance like 2 weeks ago or by schedule like today. And yeah, like you said, I'm the founder of The Human Aspect, the world's first life experience library where people like yourselves are being challenged to dare to be vulnerable for others to connect, to share your life's toughest challenge on tape, on video, but more importantly, how you overcame it and what you as a person have learned, because that knowledge in itself is captured in a raw and authentic way.

Yeah, and that's, that's, that's powerful. Yeah. When people go to your website, thehumanaspect.com, and everybody listen, just go to the damn website, pull over the car, if you got a Tesla, hit the web browser, which sucks on Teslas, but it'll get there eventually. Um, because the holidays are here, because the new year is here, because all of us are entering the holidays and it's time to reflect, and you're frustrated, you look into last year and you're going, oh my God, whatever. You need something, that catalyst to help you. And when we ran into each other, because I was lost— let's be honest, I walked in the wrong building— um, they There were no coincidences, right? And it was very easy to connect the dots to say that, um, the world needs you and your story, the human aspect. They absolutely do, especially now with the new year, especially with everything going on in the economy and uncertainty. So what do people experience? They, they, when they go to Human Aspect, it's not just a website, right, with videos. Yes. You know, in preparation for this video, I was clicking through some of these videos and started to cry again. This tears you up. Because somehow you have a gift of having people to tell their story from the deepest within. And I think the people listening to this podcast, when you see other people talking from within, it makes you comfortable talking to your deep self as well. I mean, you tell me how. Go ahead, the floor is yours, please.

I think one of the things that you experienced as well when, when you had been interviewed is that you were asked questions that you potentially, even you hadn't thought of, which is, you know, most of the people have thought of what has been your life's toughest challenge, right? All of us have. Maybe not specifically one, but we've all thought about the challenges we have. But when we are over them, we are so eager to take that challenge and all the agony and shove it down to a chest, shove it under the bed, and forget about it. And then you lose out on that one thing that could have made it all worth it. Yesterday we interviewed a lady that had lost her husband for cancer. 2.5 years of battle, just lost her husband. And she said with a straight face, I would have never replaced that time if I could choose, because now I know my former husband, late husband, better than ever. And if you can say that to the deepest of the toughest of the challenges of losing someone you love, it means that that chest, that lesson that you're throwing away, if you don't ask yourself the question, what have I learned and how did I actually manage to get out of it, what am I left with, with abilities and lessons, it's worth nothing. Then why are you even living in the end of the day? Because if we're not living for that and sharing that after and using that in work, in innovation, or just in life as a husband, as a mother, as a brother, then what is life? That's why the name The Human Aspect. I believe this is what makes us human in general.

Yeah, I believe your belief is 100% correct. But what you're doing though is you're capturing the inner soul of people, their, their, their most passionate moment that defined them. Before, their past, or maybe define them going forward, you know. And it's— it changes me every time I go to your website.

It's very beautiful to hear that.

It absolutely does.

And, you know, one of the— one of the beauties of our brain, you know, to go a little bit deeper into the material of things is that when I asked you the question, can you share the moment in detail that in your story was about your son receiving, you know, the diagnosis of cancer? Your brain literally takes you back there and you have lost all the knowledge in that moment. You are telling the story as if you were there. If I get you to connect to that, some, with some people it takes a little bit of going back and forth, and with you It was rather quick, which is great. And so that moment is authentic. You're literally sharing a memory like a movie. And then we ask you the second question, how did you overcome it? Normally you come into a pure happy time. You're moving forwards in time and again sharing a memory. So if you're watching the videos, it's like it's different people. It's like, it's like I filmed you 5 years ago, 3 years ago, and now. And the last question is, what have you learned? Where you suddenly see that most people haven't even thought of that question because they've shoved that chest under the bed. So the reflection that is coming, I would say in 75% of the time, is raw, authentic, in-that-moment reflection because they didn't know the answer. And that's when you get what I believe to be the golden answers, the things that hasn't been dragged through the filters of a grown-up's mind that just adapted to the truth. Exactly. It's wrong.

Exactly. Why, why do we have to— why do we bury these things? You know, the people, the people listening to this, right, this is— this— use the Human Aspect website, humanaspect.com. I will plug this website till I die. Use it to help you to touch yourself. But I think the bigger question where you're, you're saying is, why do we bury these things? This is it, you know, we got the new year coming. Stop burying stuff, you're— because you're burying yourself. Yes, you're burying your feelings, you're burying your emotions. And before we started interview, I was telling you about how there's a lot of couples out there where the relationship itself is buried. Yep.

So imagine yourself Let's reflect on what normally happens in the end of the year. So let's say you had a tough year, which goes for many.

Everybody, yeah.

Let's say it was something tough at work. Let's say you had a conflict. Let's say you had to change your job. Let's say you had an accident, or let's say something is with your marriage, like this, your apathy. You're just existing no matter where you are.

Yeah.

And then you're coming into the new year and we're doing the same mistake, all of us, if you personally ask me. We're doing, okay, new year, I'm gonna do everything different. Let's forget about 2018. 2019 is new. First mistake.

Exactly.

You know, in the end of the holidays, like you said when you started this, it's time for reflection. Reflection means daring going back to what was painful. Why did 2018 feel like a year you want to bury? Why are you looking so much forward? To 2019. Why are you looking forward to Friday when you're going home from work? It's the same question, it's just that it's coming up each week. So instead of doing that this year, try to challenge yourself and find out what did you learn from the toughest parts of this year that you now take when you're entering 2019 as a better person of yourself. Because I strongly believe that if you had a really shitty year, you are a much better person entering 2019 than a person who just flew by 2018 and had the year of his life. I'm not saying there's something wrong in that, but that person most likely didn't have the challenges that made the evolution that a person with a tough year—

I completely agree with you, but I would frame it differently, or let's frame it clearer. No offense. And that is that I agree with you, you had a crappy year. You are fortunate because you have more reference points to learn from, to reflect from. That's being fortunate. Because some people are saying, wait a minute, I had a crappy year, well, how fortunate am I, right? Just that doom and gloom look, right? Feel sorry for me type of thing. That's not who it is. You have to reflect. You have to reflect. Reflecting and growing. And then when you reflect on— and when we say— when I say reflect on why you had a bad year or whatever, you got to go very deep into that. You can't— and if you're at the only level, my boss did this to me, going back to square one, you have to start. Yeah, you got to dig.

What did I do?

Yeah, exactly. It's always about I. That's it.

That doesn't mean that context didn't make this happen. You know, a car accident is a car accident. If you're hit from behind, it's normally not your fault.

Exactly.

But it doesn't mean that there's something with that situation that couldn't bring a lesson forward. If you had a tough situation where you feel like your boss is, is just an idiot or that's just unfair, which most of us feel, we tend to forget that the bosses View of things is completely different. I learned a fantastic lesson from my late grandmother when I was a kid. I was so frustrated with my sister. She was always messy, you know, when I asked her to clean the kitchen. I was cleaning the, you know, living room. We were doing chores together, and then I came in to inspect, you know, as a bigger brother I was, the kitchen. I came in, I was like, I lost it. I was screaming, why didn't you do it? You're lazy! And I gave her a You know, what did she say though? And then my grandmother said, "Remember that your sister sees the world very differently than you do." The dirt that I saw, or the things that I felt was not clean, she didn't even see it. So I assumed that she had the same view of details as I did, so I gave her a shouting based on my own perception. Then I believed that my sister was lazy. That was my assumption, right? That she didn't want to do it. But that wasn't right. It was just that she felt honestly that she had done a good job.

Exactly.

Which could also go from your boss sometimes when we don't have the perspective of the stress, especially if it's a middle link. You know, if your boss actually has a boss again on top, feeling pressure down, then that you don't see, has heaps of employees, of your colleagues, that also give pressure and stress, have maybe a wife, a kid, maybe the kid is sick, like with your story, most of the people around you probably didn't know, especially at work, and most of us men especially, but also women, modern women in 2018 have a tendency to not share because we so desperately want to deal with it alone. And then you're coming to the moment where you're judging everyone around you based on your perception. Mistake number one, if you ask me. That's where you really can learn, if you dare to let that down and literally try to enter someone else's shoes, even if they don't fit, just to see a little bit. And of course, there's two ways of doing that. The best way is obviously asking the person, why did you do what you do or what you did? What do you see? That I don't. And the second best is, going back to reflection, is at least trying. Go to a situation where you were a middle manager and think, like, hmm, might there have been a lot of pressure here? I know he's wearing a wedding ring and he has a picture of his family on his desk, and then suddenly I saw the picture was not there, or small things. And just at least dare to go into it and not judge other people based on what you see.

I agree everything what you're saying, but that takes a lot from a person. You have to, in that moment, eliminate yourself and step back.

Yeah.

So, and, and in that moment, you're probably pissed off, you're probably really angry, and, and so you're in the room with the boss, whatever meeting room, and you're angry, and you literally got to call yourself out, step back from yourself, and look at the bigger picture.

Yeah.

Can I give you a story?

I would love to.

Um, guy was on the subway— a woman was on the subway, New York City story, of course. And, uh, not the Metro, a subway, that's a proper name for it, proper name. And, uh, she sees this guy with his kids, and the kids are running all over the subway car. They're swinging on the handrails, they're treating it like it's a jungle gym, like they're at kindergarten. They're going nuts. And the father's just sitting there doing nothing. Stop after stop, and the woman is losing her mind. She gets up from where she's sitting, goes across the subway car, sits next to the man, and says, "Excuse me, would you please control your children?" The man turns to her and And he says, "Um, sorry, I guess you're right. They are misbehaving. It, um, must be because we just came from the hospital and they lost their mom. I guess they don't know how to deal with the moment." Exactly. And the woman sat there, floored. Same to your story, to the perspective. What about the other person? What are they going through? What could it possibly be? And I share that story because that's the story that I tell myself whenever I force myself to look at someone else from another point of view. The what— what are they going through? I always play that story out because that's a powerful story. You got 3 kids under 10 years old, their mother just died, and they're coming home from the hospital. How the hell are those kids supposed to behave? And as a father, what the hell are you supposed to do? I mean, so very powerful, the things you're sharing, you know, these are necessary things.

It's actually funny you say that because I've played a game on myself to prove my own point, and that's every time I meet someone that I'm interviewing, I'm trying to guess what they will talk about. Some of the people I know, some of the people I don't know, like you, I just reached out, so I was guessing. So I had obviously seen a couple of your talks. I had read up on you. So you started the story exactly the way that I expected it to start. But I'm doing this because I want to prove that I'm wrong, because that's what I need to remind myself. And then you started and you said, I grew up outside of New York. Most of my friends are dead, either to drugs or to crime. And you said—

You remember the details.

Holy crap. And then you say, all those things are just stories.

Exactly.

And I got the chills like I did now. And I was like, then you're waiting, like, what is coming now? Are they just stories? For most people, that's hardcore stuff. And then you said the story about your son receiving the, you know, cancer diagnosis. And that's to prove my point that you have no idea what people go through unless you ask or unless you truly know them, which, how many people on earth do we truly know to that level, right? So to just remind yourself of that will make you deal with your surroundings in a much better way. Yeah, because you won't act. I'll share another personal story, the work-related one. I was in Singapore. I was 26 years old. I had worked in the company. I was headhunted as a kid in shipping. This was the profession I had before I entered into humanitarian business. I was working for the most popular company in Norway. I was given a chance to go to Singapore. The golden opportunity, right, that I had worked for for so long.

Yeah, I've read about this. This is a big deal. You made it at 26. All right.

Yes. And I go there, I want to prove myself, right?

Yeah.

To show I can deal with this alone.

Yeah, this is your moment.

This is my moment to shine.

Exactly.

I go there, 6 months. I had a horrible time adapting to the culture because I was used to being trusted. And suddenly I come into an office where I'm new, but I have been 5 years working on my trust in the Oslo office. And it's also an Asian culture where you not have the same relationship with your boss and you don't have the same dialogue. There's hierarchy. And to make a longer story short, I struggled for 6 months. I come home for Christmas break, talk to my boss at home. We agree, come on, you can do this now. You've learned, go back. It's your time to make this right.

Okay.

I shared, I got support. I go there, day 2, shatter my spine, end up in the hospital.

Serious?

Lose my ability and my entire identity as an athlete and as a sporty man. I wasn't even sure if I could walk properly again.

All right.

Context, right?

Massive.

Again, I had just come back from getting a second chance. There was no way on earth that I, as a then 27-year-old, would take sick leave because I could do my job from the phone. So in the context of what most people wouldn't even imagine going back to work, I wanted to because I wanted to prove myself. I wanted to prove that not even this is gonna stop me from succeeding. And I also felt some form of responsibility, right, of the faith that my boss had in me. So I continued working. I felt that it was not a problem. I was bored anyways in the hospital, and I had my phone, right, to work from. Not a problem. But I underestimated the state of my mind, because then I entered into a small conflict with a colleague in Oslo, communicating only through email. We all know how that misunderstandings can come from that.

All the time.

And then an old little misbelief from him That was reality, that he was kind of a little bit bullying me in the way that he didn't trust me properly. That was a real fact, but it wasn't a problem isolatedly, you know, or in the bigger picture. But in that context, when he did that again, I lost it. And then I went to his boss and I said, if this guy continues to treat me like this, I will report him to, you know, to HR. And I said, you have to get him to stop. And I didn't communicate well, you know, my mind wasn't at a good place. I was scared, I was alone, my family wasn't there.

I was in Singapore.

And bang, what happened? They didn't see the context. They came back to me harsh. They were like, why are you threatening a colleague? What happened to you? And they didn't understand, I didn't understand, and bang.

Exactly.

Long story short, that was the start of me ending my career in shipping. Not only because of that, it was because I wanted to do something more humanitarian as well, but it was the start of a huge lesson that year, and that was when you're emotional about something, don't enter into stuff like that before you have reflected and thought. I should have left it for a day.

Say that again. Say that again. That's a powerful reflection.

When you're emotional, if it's in your private life or in your work life, it doesn't matter. When your mind is not right at this moment, don't enter into challenging situations, especially when it has to do with communication or potential conflicts. It will always end badly. If it's with your wife, it's with your kid, or if it's with your colleague, it will end badly. Just be 100% sure. And then coming into that a couple of years later, I have managed to catch myself in that a couple of times. I'm tired, I'm an entrepreneur, I haven't had vacation in 2 and a half years. We've always had these tiny little things happening, obviously this tension when you, when when you're trying to achieve something like that. Small things happen, I don't get it in the way I want, and I feel that someone is mistreating me, that it's unfair. And here comes the golden button for all humans, right? It's unfair from my perspective. And then I'm going up on my horse and I'm lecturing people, like, and then I caught myself like, oh, wait a minute, now you're doing it again. Yeah, wait. And I waited until the second day, and then I rewrote the email, and then I caught myself in doing exactly the same. I didn't allow myself to ask the person on the other side, why are you reacting in a way that I feel is unusual for you? And we don't give people that opportunity. I know Thomas now, I consider you a friend. Which means if you do something to me that will make me feel bad, I know that there's something in your context that's not right because I know Thomas and Thomas wouldn't do that. So like, for example, when I tried to reach out for you earlier this year, you were a bit short in your communication, probably stressed, right? Probably something happening, right?

I don't know what part of the world I was when I was responding to you.

Yeah, exactly. So if I didn't give you the benefit of knowing you, I potentially could have just said, ah, typical director guy, came in, did an interview, said this human aspect was all awesome and that, went home and forgot about us, right? I could have done that, typical thing to do. But I knew there was something wrong. It didn't match with the impression that I had, and I trust myself on that. So then I just waited and I kind of reminded you. And suddenly we met, and then it's back to the same impression. So daring to do that is for me the golden key of reflection here going into 2019. Dare to always ask if you feel that you're unfairly treated, because I would say that for most of those cases, that person didn't see your perspective or didn't mean for that to happen.

I think that is so freaking important, what you're saying, everything you're saying.

That's what you can find in these interviews, you know. You don't—

you don't— how many interviews have you done on the—

300 do we have now.

300 interviews on thehumanaspect.com. Jesus Christ.

You can go in there for reflection. You can even watch your interview without having that as your experience, because your interview will just challenge me to think in a little bit different way. Just give me one sentence from that interview that you don't get from Game of Thrones or from Vikings or the other things that we might be tempted to watch. And there's nothing wrong with that, then you're resting your brain.

Yeah.

Human Aspect is not resting your brain.

No.

Human Aspect is for inspiration and reflection.

Human Aspect is for taking your emotions and putting them on steroids, that's what it is. When I was watching the videos before you came, what I was just captivated by when I was watching videos were people's faces, their eyes, the twitching in the cheeks, and you could see that they were so deep into wherever they were and experiencing it again. How many times you have an authentic conversation with someone that you're— for you, because your job, you have it all the time, 300 times. But so for us as mere mortals, We don't get that. And a lot of people are married— honeymoon night, maybe the last time you saw some emotion on that person's face, you know. Yes. Um, I think what you're saying where people have to remove or, or say give the other person the benefit of doubt and think about what is— what is it they experience from their side, that resonates so, so loud. But then as well, yes, the other person, give them the benefit of doubt. Yes, think about them, but you also have to do work on yourself too.

Yeah, of daring to think, what did I do last year that was part of me not reaching my goals? For example, all of us have goals these days. It's very popular to have goals. So some of them you reach, some of them you don't. If you have a lucky year, reach all of them and even beyond. It doesn't really matter which is the fact of those, because if you don't reflect, there's nothing to learn. And that goes if you did something wrong or if you succeeded beyond what you could imagine. Like you talked about earlier, you did 100 keynote speeches in 2017, and you said you still didn't feel that potentially there was something out of it. But yeah, because what are we really learning?

It's just a number, it doesn't mean anything.

No, to get there and then what?

Yeah, it was the wrong goal. Exactly.

For you as a person, for another person it could be the right goal. But that also—

but that's it. It was the right goal for me in the beginning of the year.

Yeah.

And as it matured at the end of year, it absolutely was the wrong goal.

That's your lesson.

That's my lesson.

And that's why you adjusted. That's why you only did 55 this year and you were more picky. And hopefully you got more out of those 55 than you got out of the 100 the year before, both personally and but also in terms of reach and all of those things.

Absolutely.

And that's kind of the, the lesson here as well in the world of social media, in the world of comparing with everyone around around you is that in the end of the day, the only way that you will succeed in this life is if you dare to be honest with yourself. And that is the toughest thing on the planet. I had to go through that, and I was lucky because I shattered my spine, so I was forced to think.

Yeah.

And that's when I came to realization that almost ruined me in a way, that I thought I was the best operations manager in the company. And on all the things you could measure, I was, you know, in the sense of the margins, in the sense of following up contracts, in the sense of cost versus, you know, preliminary, all that, I was kicking them out of the room. But there was one aspect that I forgot about, and it was the networking social aspect. I don't drink, so normally I would go home at 11. I didn't understand how much of the business happened after 11:00 because I didn't accept who I was in that context. And when I realized that, that's when I understood that, okay, I'm not gonna start drinking. That wasn't the lesson. The lesson was I have to do it my way. Yeah, so now I'm networking more than ever, but in my way. During the day, during events, following up people like with you, talking properly with my, with the contacts that I have. And suddenly I realized I wasn't number one, I was in the bottom of operations managers. So now I also know that taking that lesson into the human aspect and the entrepreneurial world is probably why we're going to succeed going forward. Because if I look at the 2.5 years and what we had achieved, it is my networking ability and my ability to capture people quickly before you go into the dinner and before you go into the drinks is why I can connect with that many people. If not, I would have had to join and I would have had to go and take you, you know, join you on an event and a dinner and then talk to you for 2 hours and then ask you if you wanted to join an interview. I did it via LinkedIn because it's my way and I'm good at it.

I love that. I think you're putting this whole thing together. What you're saying is find your own way, right? And, and business school is called a Blue Ocean Strategy. You can buy the book and it's a great book and all that, but that was your Blue Ocean Strategy. I'm going to do it my way and it's working. But let me emphasize, because I think you're being too humble, The emotional release you get from going to the Human Aspect website— what you've accomplished I've never experienced before because it's a freaking website that I'm getting emotional about.

Yep.

And you have 300 people sharing their soul.

Yeah.

So for a lot of people who are listening to this, a lot of people think, how do I find out who I am? How do I tap into myself? How, how, how, how, how, how? I swear to you, go to thehumanaspect.com. I, I'm not, I'm not, I'm, you know, whatever, you're paying me, you're a friend of mine, but for next year, I think the shortcut, I swear to you, just start at your website. I just click one video and there's, oh, you know, watch another video. That's not resonating with me right now. That's fine, you'll find another one. And all of a sudden you'll see something and it's clicking with you. You're seeing yourself, you're seeing parts of you. Where do you see that in life? Where do you get that? You don't get that freaking Instagram and Facebook. That's the exact opposite crap, the most superficial thing there is. What people need to do is find out who the hell they are so we can meet you. We haven't met people, you know. I mean, I'm stuck on this married couple thing because it's all over me, all around me. And that is that, again, other than honeymoon night, when was the last two times you both met each other?

Yeah, and you actually got to know the person that you love, the person that you built something with. That goes for your friends as well. When did you last— for the ones who are not married— when did you last ask a question? That wasn't just about how they were doing now.

Exactly.

That was an actual question. I used to say this from stage, and I still do, is that we need to ask the question, how are you? And wait for the answer, because that is also the important part of why you want to share. If I'm popping by the office and I see you, and then I just say, feeling good, Thomas?? What are you gonna say?

Alright.

Exactly. But if I ask you, "How are you, Thomas?" and I start walking away from you, what are you gonna say?

See you later.

If I ask you, "How are you, Thomas?" stopping by your desk, looking you into the eye like I'm doing now, showing you that I'm waiting for an answer, I would pause. You would probably, hopefully, say something, right? If you were doing good or bad, it doesn't really matter, but you would answer honestly and you would also feel that I saw you in my busy life. I gave you 2 seconds to 5 minutes depending on what you were saying. If you just said, no, it's actually gone great, it's a great week, thank you very much, see you later.

Can I add one to that?

Yeah, exactly.

I would touch the person. I would touch them on the shoulder. How are you?

Exactly. Touching is always the extra element.

Exactly. And it's not better. You know, it's all different tools. But what we're missing in society today is touching.

Yeah, we're so scared of it.

Exactly.

Especially at work, right? Female colleague can't touch you on the shoulder and ask you how you are without it being like, come on, we're smart people. There's a difference between touching someone on the shoulder and asking you how you are as a good colleague and and sexual harassment.

Exactly.

We need to really avoid black and white. Why does everything have to be so black and white? That's what I believe is causing all the different challenges that we have in society now, because people are being forced to decide.

And I think some people like that they're being forced to decide, because then they don't have to make the decision themselves, and that's bad. That's really bad because you don't own your life. And what the whole conversation about been about— owning your life. Wake up, exist, and own your life, which is a very, very painful thing to do. But again, and I'm plugging, but I don't give a crap, this is my podcast. And that is, if you're having trouble tapping into you, I mean, that is, if you're— if you, if you say, I'm a better person than I am, I want to be a better person, how do I do that? I swear, you, you know Shut the Netflix off and kill the YouTube. Go on Human Aspect, watch videos of people opening up their soul, and you will find a piece of yourself, and you begin the journey. When you get off the journey because life messes with you, had a bad day, boyfriend, girlfriend, da da da da da, go back to the website, watch a couple of videos, different videos, you got 300 of them, find yourself again. I swear to you, you guys are like the Netflix drugs of 2019. You know, the good drug, not the bad one that kills my hours, but actually makes me wake up and love life and enjoy the hours that I have coming up. You know, I really, really, really mean what I say, that this is the most important discussion, and what you've done is the most important website to be built for humanity. And the human aspect name is—

Lucky.

Serendipity. You absolutely nailed it. I want to thank you personally, of course, and to all the people who will listen to this in the future, all you right now, they're all going, I want to meet you, I want to meet you, I want to meet you. If they could, how can they contact you? How can they reach out to you?

The beauty of this is that we are not just the videos. We are also on Instagram, which is specifically quotes from ordinary people like yourself. You're not that ordinary, Thomas, but still.

My kids think I'm extremely ordinary, but that's another discussion.

So, so you can have us in your daily life as well. You can have those quotes that you love, but they're not from Gandhi, they're not from Mandela, they're from the Thomas Anglero of the world, and they're as smart. I would even sometimes argue they're smarter. On Facebook, you will have those little little trailers and those little tasters where you can also have us in a bad week where you just need that quick 2-minute inspiration, where you don't want to watch 30 minutes of Thomas because you're not in that mood, and that's okay, right? And then after that, you can go to the platform. You can reach us on Instagram if you want, if that's where you are. You can reach us on Facebook or in the platform under the contact part. And of course, I'm Jimmy Westerheim. I'm lucky enough to be the only one on the planet with that name. So LinkedIn and Facebook, there will be only one result after you press enter.

And you said, and you said you're going to launch a podcast soon.

We are going to launch a podcast on Friday that's called Everyday Psyche. So just before Christmas weekend where we're going to talk with different people, you are definitely going to be invited, where we're going to challenge people on talking about the openness of mental health in everyday life. Because the new statistics that came out is very tough, and everybody has mental health.

Absolutely.

The question is if it's good or bad now, today, tomorrow, in a week, in a month. So just dare to talk about these things and make them more common. It's not supposed to be a trend to have depression, but it's supposed to be something that everybody knows what is. So that you can handle it. Because in the end of the day, life goes up and down, and that's how you learn, from the ups and the downs. If you dare to reflect and ask yourself the question, what did I learn from this week? I ask myself actually each week, what did I learn? And I have this with my colleague as well. We're challenging each other, what did you learn today? No, we don't do it every day, we do it when we remember it. But each week I ask myself, what did I learn? Not everybody can interview people for a living, so I'm lucky I learn a lot from, from you guys that I interview. But for most of us, we have learned something.

Mm-hmm.

And then you avoid that state of apathy which we just talked about, where you're just existing, you're just waiting for the weekend, you're waiting for a holiday. You only have one life. Come on, people, do you really want to do that? It doesn't matter what your life state is, but please live it.

So my last two bits of advice before we end this thing, and you remind me of it. Number one, exactly what you said now. So I'm calling my own self out. This whole thing I'm saying, the new year is coming— what bullshit, right? This moment right now, you're hearing this damn podcast, you just begun.

Yeah.

Why are you waiting for January 1st? And again, who gives a shit? This is your moment. From this moment on, you are what you are meant to be. That's, that's, that's how easy it is and how difficult it is. So don't disrespect yourself and wait till January 1st. Bullcrap. Right now, you're the ultimate version of you. Number 2, as you were talking, I got a beautiful picture, a way of starting conversation and communication. We're talking about mental health and all these things like that. These are very, very difficult things to talk about with family, friends, and anybody.

Yep.

But there's a way to do it with your website. This is what I recommend. I recommend for everyone to start off with your closest friend or your husband or your wife. Sit down and watch the videos together.

Yep.

Call a friend on the phone. I have a friend who's living in Wisconsin. We're here in Oslo. I'm gonna call him and I'm gonna tell him watch these 2, 3 videos, and then I'm gonna call them back and say, let's talk about it. By watching those videos, it puts you in a different emotional state, and you're open, and now you can have a conversation with that person that you, with what was difficult before, you now are already starting such at a deep level. I think these people who are married, people who are struggling in relationships, watch a couple of videos and you'll be at that point. You know, everybody's saying, how do we communicate again? Watch a couple of these videos and you'll communicate like you've never made it before. You have given— seriously, you've given a gift to humanity. I am in love with the gift you've given us. Thank you, Jimmy.

Pleasure.

And, uh, I'll see you soon on your podcast, for sure. So, uh, this is Thomas Anglero for the Soul of Innovation podcast. You want to reach me, come to visit anglero.com. Go forth, spread beauty and light, and remember, I love you. Take care, bye-bye, till next time.