108: Competing to Create Your Identity with Nick Symmonds

Hi, I'm Natalie Jill, fat loss expert turned high performance coach. When odds are stacked against us, how do we shift and create everything from nothing? How do we level up when we aren't feeling it yet or we've had a big setback? On this podcast, I'll be talking to some of the most inspiring and courageous men and women on this planet who at their worst, learned how to achieve success greater than they ever dreamed possible. Leveling up and creating everything from nothing. Nick Simmons was a two time Olympian who competed for the US in the 2008 and 2012 Olympic Games. But when competing was over, his identity was challenged big time. However, his athlete mentality, what he was trained in, is exactly what helped him level up and fuel his passion. Today, Run Gum was born and that's where Nick serves as CEO to the fastest growing energy company out there. Join in today and learn exactly how Nick used athlete mentality to create everything from nothing. Today I'm here with Nick Simmons and I'm so excited to chat with you today. He's a two time Olympian and he is the CEO and founder of Run Gum, which I didn't know what that was before I chatted with him on his podcast recently.

Yeah, you were great.

Thank you. I'm so excited to chat with you today. He had said, you know, I've got a good story for you. I want to. I'd love to be on your podcast. And I said, well, you have a really good story. He said, oh look, I have a really good story. So I was dying to chat with you. You gave me a little sneak peek into it and I'm excited to chat with you today because what people see on the outside and what they hear, two time Olympian and, you know, founder of this company that's doing so well, they don't know all of the things that you've been through to get there. So what I wanted to ask you about today is that's not always who you were. Can you take us back a little bit, tell us who you were before all this?

I think first of all, I need to thank you for coming on our podcast. You are incredible and your story is so inspiring. Thank you. Loved it. My story, I think all of us, we have two faces, right? We have the one that we put out that's like, everything is going great. Your Instagram face. And then you have the other one, the one you confide in with your friends and your family and your most trusted loved ones. And so today I'll take the Instagram face off and just Tell you a little bit more about kind of the path that took me to where I'm at today. I grew up in Boise, Idaho, and I'm pretty lucky. My parents are still together. They're still in love. Kind of the all American family, right? One boy, one girl, and grew up on a farm. And I ended up going to college and running for a school called Willamette University and went on to run for Nike on a pro contract and made the 2008 and 2012 Olympic teams. But like a lot of athletes, and I don't know if you've interviewed a lot of athletes, but they're what we call malcontents. They're never really happy.

And that's what makes them good athletes in a way, though.

Exactly. It's exactly right. What they're doing is they're setting a goal and they're putting every conscious bit of energy into trying to achieve that goal. And when they achieve it, there's this huge, very dopamine rush to the brain. They did it. They're on cloud nine, absolute euphoria. And as soon as that dopamine fades out, they're immediately, what's next? How do I get that hit again?

How do I get that hits like entrepreneurs too?

It's true. Any goal oriented person, right?

Yeah.

When you hit your goal, you get this huge, incredible rush. And so you say, I want that hit again, I want that fix. I'm going to set a new goal, a harder goal, and I'll get that same rush when I hit it. And so it's this never ending cycle. And because you're always looking for that next hit, you never stop to appreciate how much you've accomplished. Right. So I know Olympic gold medalists who look back on their career with absolute frustration and anger because they never got the world record.

Oh, wow.

Once you recognize that you're on this kind of path that doesn't lead leads to success but doesn't lead to happiness, it can be a real dangerous path. And I recognize that I was on that path in my mid-20s and it was a challenge for me to learn how to continue to set goals and invest myself in a sport that required that kind of focus, but also to find some contentment and happiness in what I had accomplished.

Okay, so I have a question, I have a couple questions about this, but what's coming up for me is kind of like the chicken or the egg thing. So do you think it's that personality that drives someone to be an awesome athlete or do you think it's because you're becoming an awesome athlete, that that personality shows up.

No, I think you'll see it in kids sometimes. You'll see these kids out there. I was out at a track the other day and I saw this 10 year old just running laps. What in the world is that kid doing? He just has, he's got something in his brain or she, you know, you see a kid, there are just some humans that are hardwired to need that suffering and that struggle to ultimately go on and achieve tough goals. And, and sports like track and field specifically can be very addicting to people with that kind of mentality. And certainly it was for me. You know, I liked challenges. I was an Eagle Scout and I liked, I left soccer because I didn't feel the same, you know, investment in myself that I felt in tracking fields. I wanted a sport where when I stood on the line, it came down to me and my hard work and that whole me dividends. Some people don't like that. My brain resonated with that. I said, that's what I want. I want to be the guy on the line with just me and my spikes and I have to prove myself day in and day out. That is something that I was very much attracted to.

Got it. Okay. So did you recognize when you were in it that this is like a never ending chase and like there's a no win? Like you said, it's never going to be enough. Did you see that coming or something? Did you keep, did you always think like, I'm going to get there and it's going to be enough?

I think like a, like a hamster on a treadmill, you always think you're going to get to the finish line. And I'm like, I'm sure if I just win a medal it'll be enough. I'm sure if I just set a world record, it'll be enough. And so I was constantly chasing those things, like, if I can just get here, then I'll be satisfied with my career. And the real eye opening moment for me was in 2012, I ran in the Olympic Games. I actually made it to the finals where I finished fifth. And the time that I ran in that event, that time would have won an Olympic medal in every single games ever. And in almost all of them, except for one, I think it would have won the gold medal. So I came back from those games really depressed. I mean, you know, very, very upset and pretty much ready to hang up my spikes. And fortunately, thank goodness I had been working with a really great sports psychologist by the name of Jeff Troch. And he gave me a few weeks off to just kind of lick my wounds. And I had trouble getting back into that mindset of how am I going to train for this sport? That has been so frustrating to me. And when he walks me down this path of athletes that he had worked with before, stories of Olympics, like I said, Olympic gold medalists who looked back on their careers with nothing but frustration and hate, you know, that's when it kind of started. I started recognizing the characteristics that made me a great athlete and the characteristics that made me an unhappy athlete. And from that point on, I ended up running all the way to 2017. So for five years after that, almost all of the work I did with my sports psychologist was to focus on enjoying the process and making the process the primary reason for getting out of bed and not necessarily the results. And I don't know if it made me a better runner, but it certainly made me a happier runner. And I did go on to have an even better season in 2013 and finish number two in the world, winning a medal. So maybe it did go hand in hand.

Well, okay, so I have questions about that because. So that's interesting that you said that, because that's. It really goes along with lots of entrepreneurs I've interviewed. They have that same struggle, like constantly chasing, constantly looking for the results, never enjoying or perfecting or getting stronger in the process. So how did you come to accept that? And that's a big challenge. It's a big difference to really look at feedback.

And it wasn't overnight. I mean, we worked at this for a year. And I basically, I said to him, I said, if I don't win a medal this year, it'll feel like a wasted year of my life. And he's like, we gotta address that right now, because if that's how you're approaching this season, it's too risky. Right. You can't go into a year of your life saying, if I don't get the result I want, this will be a wasted year. It's a recipe for disaster.

And I've said that before, so it's a common thing. I get it. So he interrupted you. And I think that's. That's really a powerful mentor, really, because so many people don't interrupt people's conversations. And you obviously got to. You heard it. So did you clicked?

Yeah.

Did it take getting to the root of why you were built that way, or did you just sort of switch over?

I think. I think once I. Once he Said that he had worked with so many athletes that were wired the way that I was wired to be result oriented. You know, then I'm. Then I'm all ears. Like, I'm like, okay, tell me more. Because I knew some of the athletes he'd worked with. And then we started talking about happiness and happiness. You know, success was something that I came easy to me, but happiness and fulfillment in what I was doing was really not there. And I resented my career and I resented that I had to, you know, do what I called manual labor because I was forced to work out every day and I just wasn't enjoying it. I knew that I wasn't going to be able to finish out my last contract, my last Olympic cycle with that mentality. And so, no, it was a process. It took a year, I would say it took five years to really come to terms with all that I had accomplished and to be happy and satisfied with what I had accomplished. Even to this day, I am trying to apply those lessons to business. Obviously, I want to be a billionaire entrepreneur, but if I just focus on that, every single day is going to be a huge disappointment because I'm not there yet. But if I focus on how incredible it is to work for myself and work with people I love in a city that I love, you know, that's sustainable and that can be. That happiness can be a cycle that continues to build on it. And I may ultimately get to my final goal, but I'm going to be a lot more happy in the process while I work towards it.

Okay, so doing that, and I love that that's much more lifestyle and living in your heart versus your head and not need, not fixating on the ego. Right. I like all that. But how do you make sure you're driving towards results when you're just stuck on that? Because if you're just in the moment and enjoying it, there is a disconnect.

Yeah, you aren't. Well, fortunately, I have investors that I answer to, so they make sure I stay results oriented. And there's not. That's not a bad thing. Right? It's not bad to enjoy the drive and still look forward to where you're going, you know, to stay on that, on that roadmap, you know, So I surround myself with. With people, sometimes younger people that I know are results oriented. And I think you have to have that mixture. I like to have different personalities around me. People who are just drive, drive, drive. You need those people, but you also need a person who's maybe done it before, maybe less Ego focused that says, hey, let's all go out for lunch today and just focus on being in the moment and enjoying the cool opportunities that we have.

So I love this, Nick, but there's got. There's a gap we're skipping. There has to be a gap we're skipping over. Because I'm like, I get you were aware of it and that's awesome. But that's a big switch to go from results, results, results to somebody interrupts me and now I'm going to be more in the process. Was there a breakdown? Did something bad happen? Like what happened to make you go, okay, I'm surrendering and this has got to change.

It was literally just understanding how many people had let this never trying to. It was a light bulb. I know it sounds like a disconnect, but it was a light bulb moment for me.

And the reason I'm asking is I know there's people listening that hear this and they're hearing it from people that work with them, but it's not. My experience is it doesn't stick with people until there's either a massive breakdown, like their business falls apart or their spouse is leaving them something like. Or they're injured. Like something happens that's a breakdown. And it's in that breakdown they learn that they need to learn to actually live and not control and go for the results and all that. So I would love the hack. If there's a hack, like how do you get there sooner? Like how do you have that light bulb? How do you make that happen? Like, what was that formula? And I know that's a deep question for you, but I want to get to it to help people listening to see that.

Let me put it back on you. Do you think that everybody has to have the rock bottom moment to have the epiphany or can they see a cautionary tale and say I'm not going to let that happen to me.

I think it depends and that's what I want to find out and hack. So I know for me personally it always takes a setback. It takes a breakdown. That's for interrupt me. I don't hear it. Otherwise it's like so. So I'm wondering, like I'm asking for my own knowledge too. Like how you fast forwarded to that. Cause I think it's super cool. Like what Was it the right person? Was it the right. Cause I want to help people with that.

Let me describe it this way. I think it'll be graphic but helpful. If I watched someone I love shoot up heroin and become addicted to that drug. I don't necessarily need to do the heroin to see just how bad. And that is true. And the way that my sports psychologist described this never ending chase of the results was watching that. I mean, not to name names, but he said, you know, the athletes I've worked with and you know the path that they've been down watching someone do that to themselves, Olympic gold medalists wallowing through anger and hatred and just frustration over their incredible careers. It was like. It was like watching someone do a shot of do a.

So that visual that. Well, it sounds like you had a really powerful sports psychologist that worked for you and it worked with you and it sounds like that visual stuck. So I do believe that therapy and through those things. Yes. I think it's amazing and I think you're lucky that you had that interruption and that awareness.

Yeah.

What do you want, people?

That's just the sports side. I mean, if you want to dig into business side, it's totally different. I think when you start talking about bottoming out in business, we're not talking about cerebral successful athletes kind of wanting to be more successful.

Yeah.

When you talk about business, we're talking about life on the line. Right. How I'm going to put food on the table. Now I can dig into that subject and it gets a lot darker.

Yeah. I'm going to dig into that for a minute. But I wanted to hear this conversation because I do think there's a lot of parallels between addiction, between athletes, between biz entrepreneurs. There's a lot of. I see a lot of themes with different stories and that's where I'm going. But where I want to help people with that hack so they don't get spun out into that. Because people do understand drug addiction. They get that. They do understand spending addiction or gambling addiction, but they don't fully embrace entrepreneurial or.

How about ego addiction?

Yeah, ego addiction.

Very few times do we talk about ego addiction. Especially in today's world where we're addicted to likes and comments and shares.

Oh my gosh. So true.

It's an ego addiction. And I was on that ego addiction and I didn't recognize it until I finally looked at it.

I love this. Yeah. And I think what's coming up, what comes up is that people, they. So drug addiction, gambling addiction, eating addiction even is frowned upon. People go, that's bad. I shouldn't have that. I don't want that. But people are rewarded on the athlete side. They're rewarded on the business side for working Harder. And they're definitely rewarded on the ego side, like getting the likes, the popularity, all that. So there's an interesting correlation with that.

Absolutely.

Yeah. Okay, so talk to about the business side, because was this your first idea in business to do Rundell?

No, and actually, actually it was my third or fourth idea, I guess. But you know, one of the things that I think athletes make interesting entrepreneurs is because a lot of those characteristics, the good and the bad, they carry those into their business. Right. Tenacity, perseverance, hard work, great. Right. Results oriented, ego, selfishness, maybe not as great. And like any athlete carrying their business over into entrepreneurship, you know, I'm that guy. And so for me, I've started and had some successful businesses, I've had some unsuccessful businesses, but they've humbled me in a way that sport didn't. When I had a bad race, it was frustrating, but it wasn't necessarily the end of the world. When a business has gone south, that feels like the end of the world. That feels like now I might lose my house, now I might not be able to put food on my table, a lot scarier. And I've had moments like that in business and I think that those are a little bit more wake up calls. You talk about kind of that oh, crap moment, that really hitting rock bottom moment that I felt in entrepreneurial business like I never felt on the track.

Tell me more about that.

Well, I could go into a couple the examples, you know, injuries and things that you know from an athlete business standpoint. But I think the biggest one, the one that may resonate most loudly with your audience, probably the darkest moments that I've ever had. You know, running was my business. Nick Simmons LLC was my first real business and I was proud of it. And I'm not gonna toot my own horn, but it brought in some pretty good money. When I was running, yeah, at the height of my career in 2014, I was ranked number two in the world.

Wow.

I had made huge sacrifices right, in college and as a professional athlete to finally get to that point. And I finally was starting to get paid the way that I felt that I should be paid. Okay, meet directors were offering me 10, $20,000 just to show up, just to race. I didn't even have to win the race just to show up to use my name in marketing. Had I looked, I finally made it to where I wanted to be. You know, I talked about that moment, about results. I finally made it to the end zone and I couldn't take their money. I couldn't step foot on the track. I had an avulsion fracture in my knee from overtraining. And I just sat on my couch saying, no, I'm sorry, I can't take your $20,000. No, I can't take your free trip to Monaco. I can't go to Japan for all expenses.

Wow.

Sat here miserable for six months. And, you know, having made so many sacrifices, having been so results focused, that was a really tough pill to swallow. And I won't lie, I was suicidal at the time. I just thought, if I can't. If I can't do what I was meant to do, which is run, if I can't reap the rewards of all the sacrifice and labor that I put in, what's all of this been about? Like, what's the point of all? And that was a tough. That was a really tough moment. And so I went to my coach and my business partner, Sam Lapre, who'd been my mentor for two decades, and I kind of confided in him. I said, listen, I'm really unhappy and I've got some dark thoughts and I just. I don't even know how to get out of bed each morning. And he said, you've lost your purpose. And we had kind of recognized that there was an expiration date on my legs, right. They weren't able to make me money forever running around a track. And so we had talked about bringing a product to market, of starting a business, something that would give me ulterior process and an ulterior purpose outside of running. And we'd had this idea for an energy gum. And so we actually brought it to market that summer, about April, when I realized I wasn't going to have a season at all. And I didn't know how to fill my time for the next six months. I went to him and he said, this is the time. This is the only time that you're ever going to have the energy and the ability to focus entirely on bringing a product to market. We're going to. We're going to start this company. And the next day, after we had made that decision together, I woke up and I got out of bed at 6am and I knew exactly what I needed to do. I wasn't running and I was still frustrated about that, but at least I had a sense of purpose again. And so in some ways, business, one business was failing, but another business saved me at the same time.

It's the purpose that drives you. And I think everyone needs to feel that they have a purpose.

Humans, humans need purpose. Right. If you don't have purpose and you feel lost, then going back to addiction, you tend to find something else to distract you. Whether it's alcohol or sex, heroin or something. Humans need a sense of purpose. They need to wake up with that each day.

Yeah. How did run gum come about? Because that's your focus now. That's what your success is.

That's my focus now. Yeah. So after retiring, I came back to Eugene and focused on being the best CEO of this company that I could be. I was sponsored by. So when you make an Olympic team, you get sent a lot of free product. No surprises there. Energy drinks. Were sending me energy drinks were sending me a lot of product and I fell in love with one specifically. I won't name their name, but I just, I love the way it made me feel from an energy and focus standpoint. But what I didn't like was that I was being asked to drink this 16 ounce energy drink and then run around with this sloshing around in my stomach.

That was.

I studied biochemistry at Willamette University. Yeah, I studied biochemistry when I was in college. I knew that the stimulants I wanted could be absorbed sublingually if I could find a better way to deliver those stimulants. So the way that Nicorette uses chewing gum to deliver nicotine to the system, we use chewing gum to deliver caffeine, taurine and B vitamins to the system. So handy little pack of gum, you chew it, you get that big boost in energy and focus. Nothing in your stomach to slosh around, nothing to slow you down. It's sugar free, zero calorie vegan, you know, kosher, you name it, that's who we are. And we are able to undercut the price of our competition because we don't pay to have heavy liquids shipped across the country. So we're also considerably more affordable.

So what I'm also hearing, and I hope people are really picking up on this because there's a theme with everyone I interview with things that when they develop a hit company, when there's something that's a hit, it's based on a problem that they were facing and how they solved it. And it doesn't have to be a big problem, but any problem that you've personally were able to solve. And I think there's a definite correlation to people solving a problem that they experienced and their success at their company and people that just try to develop something because they heard it's a good idea or it'll be a success. And so you had an actual problem. Like, I want these things for my energy, for when I run, but I can't have any sloshing on my stomach. So I'm going to develop something that solves that. And I love that. And I think that's a big reason that this has done well.

Well, like any great business, right, it's got to originate from a problem. What problem are we trying to solve? And then if you can couple that with passion, with authenticity, that's a recipe for something that could do really well. Now, the authenticity, if you hear it in my voice, it comes not because I was trying to make a product for people. It's because I identified that I needed this product for my own training. It would help me. I was passionate about it, and other people saw me doing well and passionate about this product, and they started purchasing it. And that's just a snowball rolling downhill. So we start selling this to our friends. We start selling it to our teammates and competitors. Pretty soon, running stores are asking for it. Then REI calls. We go, roll out with rei, buy them in shop. Fast forward to today. We're nationwide in cvs, nationwide in Target. We roll out nationwide with Walmart. Later this year, we're on Amazon rungum.com I mean, it's just truly the. The fruits again, the fruits of your labor. And then now I can actually enjoy it. Unlike those meats that I couldn't travel to. Now I get to sit here and get excited. Get excited about a business that's doing well finally.

That's amazing. So do you. What's your advice on that? Because it's a very specific business. It's one product. I mean, you've got different flavors and different type, but it's. It's one product. Do you think that has a lot to do with the success, too? So it's not like an amp. It's not a running company. Basically, it's a product, a focus.

I think simplifying, being focused and simplifying one's energy can be really helpful for some businesses. That's not gonna work, right? If you're oversimplified, you're not gonna have a product that's gonna work for everybody. Fortunately, 90% of Americans use caffeine every single day.

They do.

It's a product. It's a product that 300 million Americans use every single day. Or chemical that 300 million Americans do every day. We got 100 milligrams in each packet of run gum. So it's a unique product where we just happen to be In a space that almost everybody can find a use for it. But it is nice. We run a lean team and we're able to do so because we don't have to focus on managing a dozen different product lines.

Have you had any setbacks starting up and running your company?

It's like, how many? Do you want to talk about how many setbacks this week? Every single day there's a setback. Every single week? Yeah.

Oh, no. So I'm saying a lot of people, they quit when times get tough, you know, they have a setback in their business, they have multiple setbacks, they quit. And that's one of the questions I wanted to ask you because I know every startup has problems and has setbacks. And I'm curious your mindset and how you view those. Because with that athlete mentality, you're old. You used to take that stuff hard. You get feedback. It's like, okay, fine, screen. Like, it's like, if that didn't work for you. Right. So that the feedback was very different. So how do you manage that running a startup company?

Like, how do I think? And I'm not talking about all business, but specifically startups. You need to go in knowing that your job is specifically to put out fires. Oh, that's all your job is. I'm a professional firefighter. Okay, great. Every single day I come into this office, I'm like, which shitstorm am I gonna have to deal with today? That is all I do. It's a rare day when we get to sit back and just look at the ceiling and smile and say, I don't really have anything to do today. Pretty much that's what I do, is just put out fires. And that's what a startup is. Right. It's never smooth. It's a roller coaster. You're gonna have really, really great highs. But even the blessings, right, even an order from Walmart is still a fire. Because now you got to figure out how you're going to fulfill that. Yeah, fund that po, make the inventory, how you're going to fulfill it on time, how you're going to make sure it moves. It's just a constant series of putting out fires.

And how do you manage the stress of that? Like, how do you not react and freak out and stress out your team? Like, how do you coast through that?

Honestly, no joke, Fitness, working out is the only way that I can deal with it. And it's like Jekyll and Hyde. If I work out for 30 minutes to an hour at 6am before work, I'm Great in the office. I mean, I'm resilient. The punches land and I just roll with them and I'm good to go. If I don't get my workout in the morning, I come in here and I'm a ball of stress.

Oh, my gosh.

And just negativity. And I don't. I can tell my brain doesn't work as well. It doesn't think as clearly. It's not as resilient. So I don't know what it is about exercise, but that is how I deal with it.

That's amazing. I love that. I love that.

I think a lot of people are like that. A lot of high individuals need that outlet.

I definitely am. And it's been stressful that I had a rupture on my back and I haven't been able to do the intensity that I love because that same reason, because if I don't get that energy out, I take it out on everybody else. So I get it.

I'm sorry to hear about your back. That's a tough injury.

So. Okay, so my next question is something I ask everybody, and I'm curious, your thought process behind this. So if somebody's listening to this right now and they're in their own personal setback, so maybe they were not an Olympic athlete, but they're. They're having their own massive, like, change of identity. Like, they're. They learning they can't do something anymore, or they're injured, or maybe it's their business has just completely failed and it's fallen apart and they're starting from that rock bottom place again or that place of defeat, because I know you've been there. What would you tell them if they were to ask you for advice on, like, what do I do to start changing my mindset and leveling up and creating everything from nothing again? What three things would you tell them?

The first thing I'd say is find structure. You know, so many times we kind of like feel like we're floating through life a little bit. And I felt this multiple times. And once I find structure and create that structure for myself, things start to fall in place. So I mentioned the workout. Like, I say, no matter what the weather's like, I'm going to get that workout in six to seven. Nothing can stop me. I'm getting that workout in. And that just sets the tone for the day. So structure is a big one. The second one I would say is recognize that you can't do it all, no matter who you are. Humans are different. I am a really horrible executioner, operator. I'm not good at details, but I'm a bit of a dreamer and I know a lot of operators that can't dream their way out of paper bags. So recognize your strengths and weaknesses and find the person that count, that is the cheese to your eggs. Right. That complements who you are, but has very different characteristics.

Oh my gosh, I love that I'm.

Looking at my COO right now. Nathan, I mean, he is the details guy. He's the rock that we built this company on. But he can't do the things that I can do and I can't do the things that he does. In golf, they have a term called ham and egging.

It.

One guy's great off the tee, another guy's great on the green. They're an unstoppable force. That's kind of how Nathan and I are with regards to this business. I'm the dreamer, he's the operator, and we really tag team it. So recognize your weaknesses and find the help that you need. And then the last one, Just start, just move. We're crippled sometimes by our own self doubt or we're crippled by, by the insurmountable tasks that we set for ourselves. There's this school of thought that the act of starting is the act that actually carries you through to the finish. So it's not just perseverance, it's that you're building this momentum and that first motion is the hardest one by far. Runners get this really easily because so often we don't necessarily want to go out for our 10 mile run.

Yeah, I would imagine you don't ever wake up. Like, I just can't wait to run for 10 miles right now.

Yeah, most days you're like, I can't imagine doing another run. But literally the minute, not even the minute, the first two steps you're like, oh, actually this looks like it's going to be pretty fun. So the hardest step in anything is the first step. And sometimes you don't have the motivation and that first step is what provides you that motivation. And so I'm reminded that some days, like especially in the afternoons, like I'm really good from like 5am to noon and I'm so unmotivated in the afternoons and I have to remind myself all I have to do, I don't have to like tackle all hundred emails that I have there, but all I have to do is do one. And the dopamine that hits my brain from clicking send on one of those emails makes me motivated, makes Me want to attack the other emails. Funny how our brains work that way.

Oh my gosh, that's so good. I love everything about this. Okay, Nick, where do people find more? Where do they learn more about you? Where do they learn more about Rungum? Tell us where to find you.

I'm pretty active on social, I'd say Instagram and YouTube. I'm most active on icksimmons. We do a lot of fun giveaways actually. YouTube's interesting. I give away all my ad revenue so not a lot of YouTubers doing that. So I do a monthly giveaway.

I don't anyone doing that.

Yeah, monthly giveaway where I give away all my ad revenue on YouTube. So that's kind of fun. And then Rungums across all platforms. At Rungum, we collaborate with a lot of fitness brands we really believe in. We say our mission is twofold. It's to fuel and inspire people to make the most their busy days. So we fuel them with our energy product and we inspire them with the kind of content we put out like incredible podcasts with.

I love it. I love it. He's got a great podcast. Take a listen. He's got some incredible guests on that show.

Not just you others, but you were great.

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Thank you. That was great.

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