EMF Is Destroying You Silently (Here's What's Happening)

We're the first generation of women going through midlife inside a world full of invisible signals. Wi-Fi in every room, Bluetooth in our ear, cell signals coming out of our phones, signals from the tower down the street, signals from the smart meter on our home 24 hours a day. It has a name, EMFs, which stands for electromagnetic fields, and most of us have never heard of that, or if we have, maybe it sounded a little weird. We don't understand it. It is real, it is measurable, there is peer-reviewed science showing its effects on our brain, our heart, our nervous system. It touches our sleep, our mood, and our hormones on top of everything else our midlife bodies are already juggling. We can't even think clearly anymore. And on top of everything else going on, why do we have to deal with this now? So our brain fog seems to be getting worse than ever before, and we don't know now, is it age, hormones, or something else? And I believe EMFs have a lot more to do with it than we are being told. So when we look at our watch, HRV is even trashed from this. Resting heart rate goes up, we're sleeping terribly, and we are not doing anything different that we know of. I have two guests. First one's a neuroscientist who's been publishing research on this exact thing for years. Dr. Diana Hentz runs testing at a lab in Germany where they measure what this stuff is actually doing to the human brain and body in real time. Also joining us is Philip, who is the founder of Quantum Upgrade and Lila Quantum. He's the one who introduced me to Dr. Diana Hentz. And I met them both together in Germany, and what we found was fascinating. Thank you so much for being here.

Thanks so much for having us.

Thanks for invitation.

Yeah. So Dr. Hans, let's— I want to just dive right into this here.

Yes. I studied psychology in Germany at the university, and, uh, I did a specialization in neuroscience and cognitive science. And I did my PhD in the subject. And then I realized there are so many therapies. I wanted to go to be a therapist with some different techniques, but it didn't convince me because I always said, well, if you don't do sports, if you have a bad nutrition, of course you're getting depressed, of course you're getting into bad moods, of course you're getting anxious. And that was the reason I decided in 2010 to move to sports science. So first I had a department of— was— had a professorship in sports psychology, and we did lots of mental training techniques. So we worked with elite athletes. And then I changed into the area of achievement sports training science, and I think that was my real— yeah, um, that was a very good decision because we worked with different specialists in the field of sports neuroscience. We always got research questions: does EMF affect the athlete's brain? Does it affect performance, achievement sports? And we had a lot of tests in our laboratory to investigate. On the other hand, we had topics of traditional Chinese medicine, how you can improve sports achievement, sports performance, and how you can also improve sport performance with meditation techniques, with mental techniques. That's my research area.

So, and Philip, I'm going to ask her a lot about EMF, but I want to have you chime in first. How did you come across her work? How did you two meet?

Yeah, so we found out about her work through this institute here that has the most advanced EEG device on the market. It's a 256-channel high-density EEG that can look into the brain and even into the limbic system, like an MRI. And that's incredibly special, because you can see in real time, you know, what happens, and what happens with electromagnetic radiation, for example, but also with other methods. And yeah, then we found out that She is incredibly well known and has published, I think, over 50 publications and has like way over 250 citations. And, and she has so much knowledge. So as I've gotten to know her more, it's like every time I talk to her, I learn something new. And yeah, it's amazing, you know, with my background, with what we're doing, and then we have some ideas and we can run it by by her. And she has just, yeah, she's a library of that knowledge. So I'm glad you got her on.

I feel very fortunate here. It's not that common that I'll have a scientist as brilliant as you on to discuss a topic that people tend to turn their nose up at. They, they, we, we hear it's a conspiracy theory or it's not, it's in our heads, it's not true. Can you help us understand what EMF is, and I'm sure that just gets under your skin when you hear someone say it's not real or it's not a thing.

Yeah, the thing with EMF is that we don't have sensors in our body to feel it. Most people just don't feel it. You just feel it when it's already too late, when you develop symptoms or diseases that are related to EMF exposure. So I've done a large research on scientific studies, and there are thousands of studies that show that EMFs have negative effects on human health and that certain diseases like neuropsychiatric diseases like depression, burnout, anxiety, ADHD are clearly related to EMF exposure. There are more studies that show that the cardiovascular system is affected, that diabetes might be caused by EMFs, that also overweight issues already with childhood exposure to EMFs is a big matter. So we have a broad range of these diseases that are caused by EMFs.

I'm personally one of those people that feel EMFs. We even know when I was in Germany and we put a test call against my ear, I instantly had a headache. Why do some people feel it and others do not?

We have a lot of patients that have so-called electromagnetic sensitivity or hypersensitivity, and these people's brains, they are more sensitive to this radiation. So what many people don't feel, they— you can see it in the EEG, and they straightway tell me, oh, I feel a headache on the left side, on the right side, in front. And you just see these changes in the brain that correlate to these psychophysiological states.

Philip, are you somebody that felt EMFs? I'm just curious because you have a background. Can you share a little bit about your background and why this even became important to you?

Yes, I have a very clear background. The reason I went to sports science was that I thought I would myself be very healthy in that area. I could have a lot of opportunities to train myself and live a healthy lifestyle. Unfortunately, after a few years, I got very, very ill in this working space, and I always wondered— I went in there with 100% mental and physical health, and certainly I developed Some symptoms I just displayed on this working space or even in the nights after. And I always wondered what, maybe chemicals or stress at work, but it was the EMF radiation. There was a team, they asked me if I was interested to get my office space measured and they found out there are very, very strong fields in the monitors, in the computers, there was a Wi-Fi router and when we had courses at university with thousands of students. They all had their smartphones on, and afterwards I always felt ill, even after 1 or 2 hours in that space. And I've developed lots of symptoms that were clearly related to this EMF exposure. After I left this working space, after just after a few months, all these symptoms disappeared. So the symptoms included headache, dizziness, burnout symptoms, depression, anxiety, and I had a problem with fertility for 10. And I always wondered why, why I'm healthy. The doctor said, you're healthy. It shouldn't be that way. Until I found some studies that showed that EMF exposure in women caused up to 25% increase in infertility. Wow.

That's, that's ginormous. And if you think of what that's doing to fertility, like think about postmenopause women or perimenopause, like just the hormone decline there, what else that must be doing to that.

Yeah, it was a very painful experience psychologically. And I asked my employer to maybe to have an investigation in this working office. And they called someone in and said, well, we might send you to a psychiatrist. You might be a bit sensitive. And I said, I don't believe your word. And I went on with my research and I found out more and more that brain activity is systematically impaired by electromagnetic radiation. And meanwhile, there is a report from the European Parliament from 2021, and it clearly says that parts of the 5G EMF signal is cancerogenic and cancerogenic.

So causes cancer.

It is stated in this report. And the second is that male and female reproductivity is significantly impaired. Wow. And despite this report and these facts, they continue to, yes, to build 5G and EMF-emitting towers. It's incredible.

Philip, can you share a little on from your background and what your knowledge here and why this is so important to you?

Yeah, so for several years, I used to be a vice president at T-Mobile International at first, and then at T-Mobile US as well.. And during that time, I was not sensitive to electromagnetic fields. And I also honestly didn't know anything about it. There were maybe a couple of people at the time that had raised a concern, but the voices were just so low and little that no one really paid attention. And at the time, really, I must say, we were just working to try to connect the world better. And we were working on figuring out how the convenience could be better, how we can all use smartphones and be interconnected. Which is so cool, right? The technology is absolutely amazing on one hand, and I really wanna emphasize that it helped us all to even have this, this call also, right? But over distance, you're in the US, we're currently sitting in Europe. Now, the downside really came later that I got into that because I bumped into a bunch of studies myself. I met also a few people that were very sensitive to that. I also developed my passion around figuring out the next best thing in true human health. That started around 2012. And then in 2016, I got out of corporate completely. That was not directly from T-Mobile. I was at another gig at a multibillion-dollar company as an executive, C-level executive in between. And then I felt this calling to really develop something that that truly helps. And in 2019, that was like the whole development phase. In 2020, then we launched Lila Quantum. In 2022, Quantum Upgrade. And while it's not all what we do, I would say our technology, yeah, helps with EMF, uh, but it's about just 10% of what the technology does. But we focused on research early on, and then I really started to dig in and it opened my eyes because we would be seeing all of this in our own research, how bad it is, because we didn't start with brain research, we looked at blood. So we saw, saw stage 2 of blood clotting being developed within 10 minutes just from regular Wi-Fi signals already. We've seen deregulation, and in a lot of cases, pathological deregulation across all the organs of a human sitting in an electric car. We do have those studies, you know, impact on the nervous system measured by HRV, as well as cellular function, for example, that gets negatively impacted we also had done a fertility study with 100 women in the US. Now that was not really directly measuring EMF impacts. We saw, you know, the positive effects of our tech and it may be related to some of those EMF impacts. Now then I started digging further in between, right? And looked like, okay, so what other research can I find? And I couldn't find much at all on Google, on YouTube. I couldn't find much at all other than just some blah blah. Of, you know, there's nothing, there's nothing, don't look any further. Now, interestingly, we were able to find that there are way over 4,000 studies that prove the negative and harmful results and effects of electromagnetic radiation in the short-term, mid-term, and long-term. And I can tell you firsthand, you know, we can, we can show this and she can show this frankly with the, with the brain research. She'll get into that probably in a second. Already within a second, you can see that electromagnetic radiation impacts the brain and basically starts to inflame the brain. That's really what is happening. And then within a few minutes, you can see it also in the blood. And of course, if you— if the exposure is longer, the longer it is, the worse it gets. We have Dr. Klinghardt, who's a pretty famous doctor from Germany, but he's lived in the US for a very long time. He has his clinic in, I think, the Seattle area. He's shown a graph of the rollout of all the smartphones worldwide and the rollout of, of the different Gs— 3G, 4G, 5G. And then he shows the graph of autoimmune diseases rising. And interestingly, the graph looks exactly the same. What a coincidence. But, but again, we have over 4,000 studies that show these negative effects. And I want to emphasize one more time again, I'm not advocating for tearing down 5G towers and all of that. I'm advocating for us jointly figuring out what we can do with it because there are technologies out there now that can make us live with the technology and use the convenience, but we don't have to suffer the negative consequences. But as long as we as a society don't wake up to that and we, you know, there are people that try to just you know, put it under the rug, we won't get anywhere.

Yeah. Okay. So I want to talk about that. Why are so many in denial around this? Why is there this push to say it's not real, it's not true? I feel like— and I know, Dr. Henze, you've even felt like you've been silenced in some areas.

This is very clear political and economic reasons. We find— we are often asked to do measurements on towers or smartphones for court trials, and the outcome is almost always the same. We refer to these thousands of studies and to the clear measurements that show that EMF affects the brain, the heart, the blood, that we have less immune functions, that the mitochondrial activity is significantly decreased. It's always the same at court, and they say it's— these are just a few indicators and a few studies, probably there is no effect. Even despite this EU report I mentioned, that parts of the 5G signals are causing cancer or infertility, they just continue.

And here's my take on it because, you know, we don't have to go like even a step further, but let's, let's try to take this take that of course an industry that has had technology out there that causes these issues may be afraid of a lot of lawsuits, right? Which is understandable. Now I've been saying, why don't we say now that there are solutions, We didn't know any better, you know, we had to wait for enough evidence. Now we understand that there is actually a risk, you know, that there are real downsides. So now we're implementing solutions that may be incredibly cost effective.

Sure.

With it, and then we're going to roll this out. If one carrier starts that, wow, everyone will want to go to that carrier and then others will follow. And that could be a way to do it. In the past, you know, those technologies were not there, but we do have technologies now to effectively mitigate it. We must say though that there are the vast majority of these technologies out there that claim they can help with electromagnetic radiation and mitigation. That's not true. They actually tested that and maybe she can actually say what they've actually measured because that, that's another important factor. Yeah. Don't just go to the next guy that tells you he can help you with that.

So it's true, because once we sort of wake up to what EMF is and what it's doing to us, you then start getting targeted with all kinds of ads, right? Like, put this little thing on the back of your phone, or buy this thing and it's going to help mitigate it. And what I learned being in Germany is when you go and do third-party testing with a lot of these, a lot of them are bull. A lot of them do absolutely nothing. And what—

or make it worse.

Or make it worse. Oh, tell me about that. How does it make it worse?

Yes, we've tested around 70 products in that field, and we had recently, we had one product that was recommended by Philip from the US.

Not recommended at all. He suggested please test because we wanted to know what it does because they make a lot of claims.

Sure.

Yeah. Yes. And there was another product you recommended for testing. So already two products from the US. And both products, they worsen the problem. So we had muscle pain in the brain. We had extreme headache. The participant said, we have to stop this testing. I just can't do it with my headaches anymore. Wow. And we have had more than 60 products from Europe. And I must say, well, 90 to 95%, they don't do anything or they even worsen the problem.

Wow.

Well, there are just a few products I would recommend as protective against EMFs.

So I don't know if there's a connection here, but I want to share this, Philipp and Diana, because this was an analogy that sort of clicked for me. And maybe this has nothing to do with this, but let me just share. So I'm currently recording from San Diego, where I've moved back to for now. And I'm somebody very, very, very sensitive to EMFs. I can really feel them. And I was living in Phoenix before, and when I'm in Phoenix, I feel like a different person in not a great way. Me personally, I feel my nervous system, I feel more stressed, I feel the wired but tired, I don't feel as healthy. And it's been this ongoing struggle for me to, you know, I, I've got to really pay attention to EMFs. And I mean, that's honestly where I really, really got deep into a lot of your products, Philip. Like, I have to fix this. Notice coming back to San Diego, being right by the ocean, most of that goes away for me. Uh, for me. So when I'm like, if I'm by the ocean, I, I feel calm. And a lot of people might listen and go, well, yeah, it's the ocean, but it's a noticeable body change for me when I'm not too far from an ocean versus if I'm in a big city or a desert, for me. So when I— that's very real to me. It's, it's a knowing. It's not a, it's not a question like, why is this? It's, it's a knowing. And I believe other people feel different in different areas too, like maybe mountains or the woods, like there's more grounding. So I believe when we bring in sort of like earth elements or things like that, that can actually ground us and help mitigate. Is there something to that or is that not true? I'm wondering about that.

I've done a lot of research in that area because in the sports, uh, uh, achievement sports, they always want to do the optimum state for their body, the optimum environment. And we have done a lot, uh, of studies in different places on the earth with we were dealing with the impacts of Earth magnetic fields and the interplay between EMFs and the Earth magnetic fields. And that what you described, so this moving to a more natural environment with the ocean, you are closer to the natural frequencies of the Earth. And our body is heavily reliant on these natural frequencies. If the body is disturbed by these technological fields, by these technological frequencies, Yes, it's obvious that it causes lots of disturbances and diseases. So I would clearly recommend people to move more into nature, to be related to this, yes, for instance, magnetic fields or other natural frequencies that we are heavily reliant on.

So when I found—

Yeah, I think Quantum Upgrade has some very good solutions to bring the body back into its natural frequencies. Natural states. That's what we observed in our measurements.

So I met Philip years ago, but I've gotten more and more, Philip, into, as you know, more excited about Leela Quantum and Quantum Upgrade now, really. And when I was first sharing a lot about this, you mentioned, you said, if you're ever in Germany, I want you to come do this testing with, with Dr. Heinz. And I said, okay, well, I ended up in Germany and I ended up doing the testing. And it was, and I brought my husband with me, who, my husband doesn't believe anything. He's so skeptical. Skeptical with— he doesn't feel EMFs, he doesn't feel any of that. But now he really understands and believes the science after seeing what he saw. But just to give you all a little summary of what happened, I went into their lab, and for 10 days prior, Philip had asked me to put away all of my Leela Quantum stuff and turn off Quantum Upgrade. So I, I had none of it. And so I was coming in with somewhat of a clean slate, and they put this EEG on my brain and you were monitored. Can you explain what you were doing to me? I'm going to— I'm going to mess up how I'm saying it. Dr. Hens, what were we putting on me to test?

We put on to you a mobile high-density EEG. That's a very specific EEG which we can look into the deeper layers of your brain, such as the limbic system and the hypothalamus, where essential hormonal structures are regulated in the body. And in this EEG, we could clearly see the effects of electromagnetic radiation coming out from this 5G phone call. Your brain was burning already after 2 or 3 minutes and is correlated with your headaches, with your tiredness, with exhaustion. So that is comfortable.

So you put me in a room that was blocking EMFs. That was first, and they tested— they had me hooked up with my brain, my heart rate, everything was hooked up being monitored, and we had a baseline. Then what they did is we took an iPhone and they did a call, a 30-minute call right next to my ear, and I instantly got a headache, which I do when I'm around strong EMFs. Got a headache for 30 minutes. I did it for science, for science. Then we took a complete break, um, recovered everything and then turned on Quantum Upgrade and did the same repeat. And what did you find in, in this testing? I have a, a whole report, but could you share what you saw different on my brain and, and my heart rate?

It's what we see in every participant of this Quantum Upgrade studies we run in our lab. Immediately when the Quantum Upgrade was turned on, and I think you could also feel it. So in, with your headaches that went away, the brain activity changed in large parts of all brain areas. So we found increased alpha and theta activities, these brain frequencies that are absolutely necessary for recovery of the brain, for relaxation and for deeper healing processes. And these frequencies in the theta and alpha range appeared. And at the same time, the stress frequencies in the beta and gamma range disappeared.

Wow.

And it was so amazing to see how you quickly recovered from this phone exposure when you use Quantum Upgrade.

So Philip, I need your help here explaining. So when I share about Leela Quantum, like the necklace that I wear that everyone always says, what's that necklace you're wearing? Or my blocks that people understand it's a physical product. They're like, okay, that I understand somewhat that that could help mitigate that's a physical product. But when I share about Quantum Upgrade, people don't fully understand. They say, well, isn't that streaming? Or isn't that something else? Could you help us understand what that is?

Yeah, it works differently from telecommunication network, where you have all kinds of different towers that send signals to other towers, and also to smartphones that then receive the signal and then send it again. Because we use the quantum network. It's basically everything is connected. And that's what most people have completely forgotten, that really everything is connected. And because of that, we're all individuals and we're all individual nodes, like little stations, like little towers in this huge network. And it doesn't matter if it's a dog, a cat, or a human, everything is part of it because everything is connected. And we build a system that can provide a super coherent field via quantum entanglement. So over distance— distance in the quantum space doesn't matter. It's hard to understand for the brain, but it is absolutely true. It's also been proven already. As a matter of fact, the Nobel Prize for Physics in 2022 was awarded for work on quantum entanglement, and they already proved it then. Now, what happens is, and what we need is a unique identifier. It's like an energetic signature of, of something like a car, for example, or someone. And as soon as we place that in the system, that someone or something is in the field. It doesn't take even a second to go there because it's not being sent because of quantum entanglement. It happens in that very moment. And we sophisticated that technology even further by connecting it to a digital front end. So that the user can manage it. The user can have 100% control over it. You can pause it at any time. And of course, you know this, right? You can pause it at any time. You can increase energy levels. You can book in specific frequencies, you know, whether it's for the night or for recovery or for the brain or for performance, right? There are different frequencies you can choose. That's in a nutshell how it works. I get it. You know, it's, you know, how could someone like understand the whole thing? It's a, it's a new technology, right? And it's the same thing we find with all new technologies on Earth. When smartphones first came out, you think if we just went back now for like 30, 40 years and we would tell people in the streets what we could do with our smartphones, they would think we're nuts. Yeah, they would not believe us. They wouldn't even have the vocabulary of what we're using today. The same is true with AI. Let's just go back 3 years and tell people what we could do with AI today. They would not be able to comprehend it. So it's a normal thing and it is a new technology. So for some people it takes some time. But what we see, for example, especially professional athletes and people like that and people that really care about their health, in the end of the day, they don't really care that they don't understand the full thing because who wants to understand the whole AI, how it works or how smartphones work? You care that it works, right? I mean, everyone uses a smartphone without knowing how it actually works.

So I love when you say that because I'm going to take it a step further. Like, if the way that I've explained it to some of my friends is when you think of a fax— like, we don't really use faxes anymore, but fax machines— how did faxing a piece of paper, how did that end up on somebody else's fax machine across the world? And then same with sending an email. How did that happen? Like, how did you send an email and it ends up on somebody else's computer across the world? There's lots of examples like that. And even like, you— we could bring it as basic to how is your phone charging? How are you plugging something in? And how is, how is that working? Like, we don't fully all understand the exact mechanisms or the exact science behind it, but we know it to be true now. We've accepted it. And I feel that that is going to be the same with things like Quantum Upgrade, because it— once it becomes more standard, more common, we just know, okay, if we're using 5G for— if we're around EMFs, you have to have a way to mitigate it. And you cannot see EMFs just like you can't see Quantum Upgrade, but we need to counter with that. Um, and just, I wanted to share just a couple like real life examples cuz, and I'll link it below. I went deep, as you know, Philip, on trying to understand quantum entanglement and quantum physics. And I did a solo episode recently, which I'll link below if you listening have missed that. I'm explaining it the best that I can, but I have a couple real life examples of where this is really wild. So I use Quantum Upgrade and I have it on. My husband too. I have it on my house, my car, like I have it on all those things. And sometimes I forget to go change the fields. You can, you can change the fields on them and you should. And when Brooks and I got back from Germany, Brooks was not sleeping. And this is not just the day we got back, this is like a week later when we should have been adjusted. And he wasn't sleeping very well. He kept waking up at 3 AM. And Philip happened to text me and he said, hey, just a reminder to change your time zone on Quantum Upgrade. And I was like, oh boy, oh whoops. So just at that time, I realized that Brooks's was not— I had him on the wrong time zone, so he was waking up. And then just yesterday, before recording this, um, we both went to work out, and I changed it to— you have a setting, I think it's called like, what is it, World Champion? World Champion on there. Um, and he had— Philip had mentioned put that on before you go work out. So I did for me and for Brooks. I had a great workout this morning as we're setting up to record this podcast. Brooke says to me, did you put my World Champion on the right, like, day, or did you have it on my night? I'm like, I don't know, I think I put on your daytime. He's like— and I said, why? He said, well, I didn't sleep very well. I couldn't even fall asleep till 1 AM. And then we went and checked, and I had his on night. So I had him on World Champion at night. And then the other story is a friend of mine who's had— she's had several cases of melanoma where they caught melanoma, usually stage 1 or stage 2. And she had another mark on her body. And she was super worried for good reason that this is gonna be, you know, another stage 1 or 2 or even worse, stage 3 or stage 4. And I was just in the throes of recording for my quantum, to teach about quantum entanglement. And I said to her, and Philip and Diana, you could tell me if I said this right or wrong, but I said, well, from my understanding of quantum physics, while that biopsy is being sent off, it's neither melanoma or not melanoma. It's neither until we actually have data. So right now you can decide it's not melanoma, or you could decide that it's going to be, but it's, it's neither or it's both until we actually have a definitive answer. So I said, let's go put Quantum Upgrade on, which she downloaded and did, and we put it on Heal 360, um, for health, and she started focused on that. Well, she got the biopsy results and it was none of it. It was, it was a precursor to not even being stage 1. That had never happened before. And so she's elated and she is very convinced that she's sleeping better. Everything is working better with this. So I have some real experiences. And then Diana, you shared an interesting story. You said you were doing studies around this and you found things and then share about your son, if you wouldn't mind, what happened there.

Yes, I, I asked to have a Quantum Upgrade brain support onto my son, my 5-year-old son. And we switched it on and in the same hour he ran away in the house. I was very worried. I said, where is Jason? Where are you? And we found him 2 kilometers away in the supermarket. He ran there and he got himself a fresh orange juice.

Oh my gosh.

He's never done that.

And how old, how old is your son? How old was he when he did this?

5 years old.

5 years old. So we're not encouraging sons to do that at 5.

Yeah. And so, and we, we all also already. No, right. So first of all, she knows, like, yeah, it was turned on, his brain was then so on, and he knew he needs this orange juice. So he just went and got it. She put it on a little bit too high in terms of the energy level, because so the level 800, for example, we recommend that for adults in the beginning, it's a really good level to start with. For kids, though, we say, you know, keep it at 600 during the day at first, because they're They're little, right? The same also is true for dogs and cats, by the way. You wouldn't want to go higher than 600 usually with kids. At some point you can do 700, but she had put it on 800, which is a much stronger energy level. So, so he was on, um, yeah. And similar to, uh, to Brooks, I mean, yeah, they, they felt it that way also.

So Diana's a scientist. I mean, she's a neuroscientist. She's not part of Quantum Upgrade or any of that. So she was studying this, and because of what she saw result-wise, she's now using it. So, uh, Diana, what do you want people to know about, about all of this and EMFs, whether they're going to use Quantum Upgrade or not? Like, help us, because this is— even if we start to get an awareness around EMFs, a lot of people might tune this out and say, you know what, whatever, it's, it's fine, it's— I don't feel it. What do you want them to know?

Yeah, I want them to know that EMF is quite dangerous if it's not treated. We don't have sensors in our body. We just feel it if it's already too late. And Quantum Upgrade is a very good therapeutic intervention. If you have already symptoms, we have lots of patients in the lab, the chronic pain went away, the tinnitus went away after 10 minutes, anxiety and depression sensations went away also, all these symptoms that that are related to EMF exposure. And after having seen hundreds of people, I just wanted to know myself, how does it work and does it have this positive effects? And I really can confirm it's working, it's working very well. And also other side symptoms have disappeared. And yeah, it's working and we see it in every patient, in every participant of the study. As soon as you turn a Quantum Upgrade on, your whole where brain frequencies change into a very natural state, into the alpha and theta state.

Do you think there's any placebo effect here?

We have tested in a randomized double-blind study also the placebo, and we can clearly say that there is no placebo effect, as no one of the subjects knows which experimental condition is tested. At the moment. So it's, it's obvious when Quantum Upgrade is tested, they say, oh, something is changing. I don't know if this is the Quantum Upgrade test condition, but I just feel better and I feel so light and so happy.

And then also in the actual brain measurements, then you can clearly see that in a placebo, there's no effect in the brain. You still have all these issues.. And then, in the actual, when the Quantum Upgrade is turned on, you see those effects. And also, in the HRV.

Yeah.

HRV is another big one because that's— it's so interesting. People wearing Oura Rings or HRV has been a big topic lately. And, I don't think people are connecting that EMFs have to do with your HRV. Like, that is affecting so much of that. It has nothing— and, people are just taking more supplements or doing all these things. It's EMF is so much of it.

There are hundreds of studies meanwhile that show that EMFs have a negative impact on cardiovascular disease patients, but also on healthy people. So the HRV is also changed in healthy people in a negative way. And when we use Quantum Upgrade, we had highly significant results. So the effects on HRV were even even bigger these effects than on the brain activity.

Philip, I don't know this, I've not ever asked you this, but I'm, I'm curious. I feel like you maybe had a vision of what you wanted to do with Quantum Upgrade a long time ago, and that you almost started with Leela Quantum because people can wrap their brains around it a little bit more clear. Is that— I mean, I maybe I'm completely off there. I've never asked you that.

Yeah, it actually didn't happen that way. I, you know, had already light vision of something like the Quantum Upgrade beforehand, but we couldn't have done it that way around. We needed to develop the Lila Quantum Technology first.

Okay.

And that is the basis and was the basis for developing basically really the next stage of it, which was then the Quantum Upgrade. That's why it took us, you know, over 2 and a half more years to launch the Quantum Upgrade. And at that time already with some limited functions, we didn't have specific frequencies in our work continuing. But yeah, I mean, honestly, the vision was really to create something that is non-invasive, doesn't have any side effects, and that can really cancel out the, the negative frequency noise that we're surrounded with.

Yeah.

And provide some help for people and also for animals. And that's what drives us. That's, that's always been the number one thing. And that's also, you know, people asked me already 3 years ago, like, why why do you still keep investing in so much research? You know, you, you could do that because you already have so many studies. And for us, it's, it's not about that. I think we, if we can contribute to help with awareness and also show what's, what's possible, I think that's good. And to be honest, it also doesn't stop on the, you know, on the EMF side, because every year you see that there's a new rollout of something. Now they're rolling out 6G everywhere, which way worse than 5G. You know, you have no idea out there like what we're getting into. We have Starlink being put, put up everywhere and it's not going to stop. It's just going to continue. At the same time, you see electric cars also getting stronger and stronger every year. So we need to keep upgrading our tech also every year in order to keep up with that. And we want to ensure that, that our community is always getting the best stuff that works. And so we certainly also then need to test the latest phones, the latest electric cars, and all of it.

And for those of you, you know, I know I've talked a lot lately about quantum physics and quantum entanglement and Quantum Upgrade. And I know my listeners might be thinking, this is great, I love you doing this. And there's some definitely going, what are you doing? Where have you gone? Why have you gone this direction? And The truth is, the reason I've gone so hard on this lately is I cover so many topics. We talk about hormones, we talk about cortisol, we talk about, you know, our blood sugars, we talk about all these health topics. And I feel like this was the big elephant in the room that no one's been talking enough about. And I'm watching what it's done to my health, what it's— how it's changed and helped me. So to not talk about that is not transparent. And I think a lot of people avoid this topic because they don't understand it, they don't know how to explain it. And I'm I just decided I'm gonna lean in because there's really something to this. So I appreciate all of the work that both of you do. Philip, you know, I love everything that you've created. I'm so grateful that I met you 3 years ago when I did, because your products and what you created with Quantum Upgrade has really helped me in my, my life. And then Dr. Diana, um, hence I, I love your work too. And I wanna just acknowledge you for that, cuz I know it's been hard for you getting your work out there sometimes. I know you've been shut down sometimes after doing many, many studies and having, having the data.

That's very hard work in this field, but we continue because it's very, very important.

So thank you both for being here today. Thank you. I'll link everything up in the show notes if you want to learn more about, about Dr. Diana Henst's work. If you want to try Quantum Upgrade, which I highly recommend, you actually can try it for free to get started. I'll link that below. And I'll also, of course, link Lila Quantum products that I wear because, you know, I'm always going to have that heel capsule on. I'll link all of that below. Thank you both.