Breast Implant Illness and Explant Preparation with Erin Souza

Today on Midlife Conversations, I've got Erin Souza. Now she's a board certified holistic health practitioner. Now the reason I wanted to have her on specifically is as I've been sharing, if you follow me on social media and if you've heard my episodes leading up to this a little while back, I'm having an explant surgery coming up here very shortly and that has brought a lot of questions about breast implant illness, what that is, what's an is it real? Do I have to remove them if I have implants and I'm not feeling anything? Lots of questions around that. So who this show is for today? One, if you have breast implants or if you are considering getting them or getting them out, anything breast implant related, we're going to be getting into that. If you've got a loved one that has them, this will be interesting to you. But this also will be helpful to you if you've just been feeling off because we're going to talk about all types of things that could be entering into us that we're not maybe aware of. We call mitotoxins and things happening. So I think you'll find this helpful for that. Also if you have any kind of upcoming surgery, this will be helpful to you. But I want to introduce Aaron. The reason Aaron came into my world as I was sharing on social media like I always do about what was going on and I was getting a lot of opinions and messages about bii, which is breast implant illness explants, taking them out, not taking them out, just a lot of conversation. And quite frankly I didn't see all of the comments or conversation but hers happened to stand out to me. One, because she really didn't judge, she didn't say she didn't have a strong opinion. She didn't say like you have to get them out or you have to keep. She approached really nice and she basically said hey, I went through exactly what you you went through and I'm happy to support if I if there's any resources I can give you. And when I clicked on her profile I saw that she actually specializes in this and I thought I've got to learn more. So we started a conversation and she ended up being super helpful to me. So today on this, not only am I interviewing her and getting information for you, but she's also going to be real live time coaching me through what I need to be doing leading up to surgery. So you'll be listening in on that. So thanks Aaron so much for being here today.

Thank you for having me.

So let's back up a little bit. First of all, what made you reach out to me?

One of my friends actually had tagged me in your post. I had followed you for many, many years. And on my professional Instagram account, she had tagged me there and said, look, you know, Natalie's going through this. And I'm like, oh, my gosh, I've been following Natalie for years. And actually, you don't know this Natalie, but I followed you when I very first got into my health journey. And you're one of the people that I, like, idolized, like, oh, I want body like hers. And it really made me want to get implants. Not.

Oh, my God.

Not that you were the reason I.

Might have caused you to get implants. Oh, boy, that's funny.

But she tagged me there, and I don't know, I just watched your story, and I just really felt connected to you. I felt your emotion, and I knew everything that you were going through. So I just really felt compelled to message you and give you that support if you wanted it.

So talk to me about what your implant journey was. A little bit like, how, what? Well, now I clearly know I was the problem for me. But what. What made you get them? What led you to removing them? And then what led you to special specializing and helping others going through this?

Okay, so I got my implants in 2016, and the reason why I got mine was because I had my first child in 2007 and breastfed him for a year. I just felt very, very insecure after getting them. You know, a lot of moms will relate to this, but after you breastfeed, your breasts are just really deflated. And I felt like every time I bent down, I had, like, hanging bananas off my chest. I spent a lot of time working on my body image. You know, I was working out five days a week, and I just didn't feel good. I didn't feel secure and confident in that area. So I saved for a lot of years, and I still remember, like, walking into my plastic surgeon's office so confident in my decision. Like, yes. You know, it almost felt like I was leveling in that area. And I can relate to that.

That's how I felt at 19 when I got them.

And I. I don't know, it just. I got them in 2016, and then it only took me three and a half months to start feeling symptoms. Some people, you know, they don't feel symptoms for years or maybe not at all. But for me, it was three and a half months. My Thyroid started to go wonky. I was gaining weight. My hair was falling out. I had joint pain. I had rashes, brain fog, fatigue. I mean, the symptoms just kept going on. And I was going to my doctor nonstop because I was like, this can't be right. Something's not right. I'm not doing anything different. I'm eating super healthy. I'm working out. Why am I gaining weight? What's going on? My blood work kept coming back perfect. Like, in fact, the doctor had told.

Me, other than it sounds like your thyroid, because you said that was off.

So the thyroid wasn't super off. It was, like, underperforming.

Okay.

It wasn't enough to say, hey, you're hypothyroid yet.

Got it.

And so he was like, you know what? You're going to have to find a guy that lives a really long time because your blood work is that perfect. I think you just need to exercise more or sleep more. And I think it was around late 2017, I actually stumbled across a Facebook group called Breast Implant Illness and Healing, I think by Nicole Dorada. And instantly, I knew instantly that that's what I was going through. There was literally hundreds of stories of women going through the same thing as me.

So, Aaron, I'm going to be really honest with you that until I decided to explant, until I had this last rupture, the BII People annoyed the heck out of me. They annoyed. They were like. To me, it was like this cult community. And I don't mean that group specifically, but I. Any of my friends that have implants that were not removing them or not. It was like. It's like we all felt we were getting attacked. Like, you have to. Everybody has BII Everybody. And I honestly, I didn't dismiss that people actually, it. I didn't. I never questioned that. I just never believed, like, everybody has it. Can you speak into that? And then I'll share kind of like, what came up for me later.

Well, that's kind of a loaded question, like, does everybody have it? I don't know, because there are so many different things that overlap with the symptoms that come along with breast implant illness that I feel like it's kind of hard to tell. You know, is it aging? Is it hormone imbalance? What is it really caused from? Will everybody get BII the answer is I don't know. You know, there's no way to really say. I think the majority of people at some point in time will experience symptoms. Whether or not it's going to come in three and a half months like it did me, or 30 years down the road like it may have for you. You know, if that is what you're battling, I think that's the question and answer.

So here's what changed me. I did not, other than I do have an autoimmune. I have celiac, and I was diagnosed with that after my first rupture. So I will never know if that is what triggered that. When you. You have an autoimmune, for those of you that don't know, you're typically born with the gene to get the autoimmune, that has to be present, but then a trauma or stressor has to trigger the event. So I'll never know if that was the event that triggered the autoimmune. So that very well could have been.

Well, let me interrupt you here. So Autoimmune sometimes takes 10 years to finally show up. So whether it came from the implants, be in place right away or something later on, you'll never know. For me, I actually have an autoimmune as well that I can for sure say came from my implants. And the reason that I know for sure is because this autoimmune is triggered by surgery. And when I got my implants in and when I had my C section in 2007, prior to getting implants, I didn't have this autoimmune. When I got my implants out is when it decided to finally show. And then every surgery following, I had another C section section after it. It appears at every surgical site now. So.

Wow. So what I. So what has happened to me, though, is I would hear about these BII symptoms, breast implant illness and their little lengthy. And we. I mean, I. It's foggy head, it's losing hair, it's there all kinds of things. But with me, what happened before I even knew I had the rupture, my blood work started changing all of a sudden. I had elevated liver enzymes, which I had never had, ever. And I chased everything. I took out all my supplements. I took. We. And I don't drink alcohol. So it was like. But we could not figure out why I had these elevated liver enzymes. So that's the first thing. Then I found out I have the rupture and I had some weird things happening. So I had been. Now I had just done a parasite cleanse. So I was already feeling great from that. But I had some of these, like, weird little things popping up on me. Well, knowing I have this absolute rupture now, I just want to give everyone the list of kind of what's transpired and why I decided to get them out because when I originally learned about the rupture, I was just going to replace them. I was like, yeah, I already already had a rupture. No big deal. I don't have BII I'm just gonna replace them. But the list of things have. One, I've had bags under my eyes. I've never had bags under my eyes. That's new. Two, I have this horrible neck and pain, upper neck pain right on the. On the same side as the ruptured implant. That's also new. My joints hurt, my hands are hurting, I've got swelling, I had a rash. So that all of a sudden, all these weird things. And I. I can't deny I'm like, that's got to be related. Mm.

Yeah. And you don't have to have all of these symptoms to have breast implant illness. You know, I heard you mention you aren't sure if you have it or not. Well, I mean, it really only takes one or two symptoms to kind of fall under that umbrella, so.

So who should be seriously considering removing them? Like, are you of the mind mindset? Like, everybody should take them out. Are you more of. If you're having symptoms, like, what is your thought process on this?

I really think it's such an individual decision. I'm never one that's going to push anybody, just anybody and everybody to go get them removed. I think everybody should do their due diligence as far as their own research and decide what's best for them.

Yeah.

I've actually created a risk assessment sheet that has, you know, symptoms, that has medical history, factors, and things that might make you a person that's more susceptible to getting breast implant illness. This goes back to the question, will everybody get it? I don't know.

You know, now, before we started recording, we talked a little bit about capsular contracture. Now, I had capsular contracture three times. And what that is, it's your. The tissue around your implant starts. The capsule starts to really harden. And I've understood that it's basically trying to push the implant out of your body so you get this huge hard tissue. And for me, I had repetitive capsular contracture until my last surgeon removed the capsule entirely, cleaned it out, and put a brand new implant with capsule in a capsule over the muscle. And then I didn't get capsular contracture this time. But what I learned from Aaron before we started is that some people might not actually feel BII symptoms because it's protected in the capsule. Did I hear that right?

No, not necessarily that you won't feel them, but I. My theory is that the thicker the capsule, the less you are, like, going to feel those symptoms. Yeah.

Okay. Now, when an implant ruptures and it's capsule contained still, you sort of explained to me why I could still be getting leakage or mitotoxins. Did I hear that right? Into my body, even though it's capsule contained. What? Did I hear that right? Or if you can you help explain that? Like what? Because I know when I found out I had a rupture, this. The person that was looking at the ultrasound said to me, this is a doctor. She said, you can live with a rupture forever. And I thought, wait a minute, that doesn't sound right to me. And then my original plastic surgeon said, absolutely not. You've got to get them out. That's dangerous. So what is your feelings around that?

Well, the capsule wallet is there to try to protect. It's not containing everything. There is gel bleeds and leakage that can go through the capsules, which is going into the body. You know, the FDA has actually banned the injection of, you know, silicone into us for this reason, because it can really death. It can cause all sorts of issues. Just the same silicone that they've banned is just contained inside of these implants, so.

Because otherwise, like you're saying, why wouldn't they just inject silicone in you instead of putting them in something?

Exactly. Wow.

Interesting. So what does gel bleed mean?

Gel bleed means that it just is leakage outside of the actual implant capsule. So it doesn't mean you don't even have to have a rupture for there to be a gel bleed or leakage outside. The implants actually get these little caveats or indents or whatever you want to call in them, where the chemicals that are inside, whether it be heavy metals or the acetone or silica, whatever it is, they. They leak out through them. They are not. There's no conclusive study that is done that proves that implants are safe or unsafe in our human body. Temperature of 98.6 or higher. So you tell me if that's safe. Yeah, there's. There's no studies showing that it's actually contained within that implant.

Wow. Okay. Speaking of that and temperature, what do you know about infrared saunas and implants? Because that's. It's interesting. I had just gotten an infrared sauna and I was all excited about it. And then I. All I heard Was, nope, you need to wait till you have the explant, because the last thing you want to do, especially with a rupture, is heat them even more.

Yeah. And that's not just with the rupture. I think that's with implants in general. There is no studies done. There is no studies, again, to prove whether it's safe or unsafe for this material to be under temperatures that our body is, you know, and when you raise the body temperature, you're essentially creating these capsules, these implants to expand and contract, which leaves open areas for stuff to leak out.

Now, I used to have the argument and say, well, what about people that have, like, a knee replacement or an elbow replacement, and they're getting silicone put in there, they're getting other body parts. How does that different. And how does it actually. Like, what is actually going on in our bodies? Like, I know I say it's an immune response, but what is actually happening? Like, if I'm. If these things I'm feeling are related to the rupture, which we don't know. I'm assuming they might be, or they're psychosomatic. I don't know yet until they're out. But what. What is actually happening? Like, how does that actually work in your body? Like, what's going on that's creating these symptoms?

I don't think that people that have other replacements, like the knee or the joint and stuff, I don't think that they're immune to this either. I think that it's just overall implant illness.

Okay.

Those particular things, though, you know, if I need something that's going to help me with a knee replacement, I might choose that. Risk of the autoimmune versus something that's like the implant that is. It's by choice. It's for esthetics. There's no actual health need for it. When you look at the ingredients of what is actually in an implant, you can start to look at how these things correlate to symptoms that people feel. Okay, for example, let's take acetone, which is a neurotoxin. So it affects the nervous system and can lead to neurological damage, causing, you know, memory loss and brain fog. Same with ethyl benzene. That's a chemical that's a human carcinogen. So that can cause respiratory issues and throat problems. A lot of people that have implants report shortness of breath or that choking feeling. So when you start to look at the ingredients, you start to correlate these symptoms that people feel.

So what is going on with our body. Like is it is my body fighting.

Creating an immune response? So to the chemicals that are inside of the implants, your body is creating that immune response. The other pathogens and things that come from the result of the implant, whether it be mycotoxins, like you're saying, which is mold, mold illness, whether it be pathogens that create in your body, it just knocks down your immune system. So your body becomes a nice host for these other pathogens that are opportunistic and like to feed off of the heavy metals and things like that in your body.

So, for example, I went through a whole thing recently where I shared about having parasites. And I. So in from what I'm learning from you and what I learned from Laura and what I'm learning, I'm starting to put together that not everybody, for example, would get parasites or a staph infection or H. Pylori or any of these things, but if you have the right environment for it, that stuff's going to thrive.

Exactly.

Putting pieces together, if I have this rupture, which I do that very well, what's happening from that rupture could have been fueling why I was disrupting my whole gut biome and why I had a place to thrive for parasites. Is that correct?

Correct.

Wow. Because what Laura kept saying is we can get rid of the parasites, but until we find the root. Root, Root, root of it, we're not getting anywhere. So this could be the root. We don't know yet, but this could be the root of it.

Exactly. Parasites love to feed off of heavy metals. And didn't you say you had three of them? Three up on your GI map? Three, yeah.

Yeah.

So which is rare to show up.

On a GI map to begin.

It is.

So, yeah, so we. I had three and I saw, physically saw three. So, yeah, that's a whole other topic. But it's interesting because, you know, this is. This goes back to. This is why I like what you do, Aaron. This is what I like, why I like what Laura does. This is because if I had just gone like conventional medical medicine. Medicine route, and I'm not against conventional Western medicine, I just think we have to take a rounded approach and take it all different angles. I went in with a blood sugar problem. That was the first sign of anything. And I knew that that was not right for me. And a conventional western medicine doctor said, you need to go on metformin. And I didn't take that as the answer. And then digging got to the parasite problem, and then digging and then the rupture. So it's like you keep going down this path, and that's why I encourage anybody listening you've been diagnosed with whatever, like, what is the root, root, root of it? Because it's usually deeper than this surface level thing that we're seeing.

Yeah, exactly. I think this is important part for me to say that they've done a study that 90, 97% of women that remove their breast implants feel relief, but only 23% of those women feel 100% complete relief. The other 74% of those women only experience partial relief. And you know why that is?

Why?

Because there's still so much underneath that those implants cause so much disease function. It's like the idea of the autoimmune, right? Like the implants are kind of what loaded the gun and pulled the trigger. But you still have all this debris to clean up afterwards. You still have all these parasites and digestive dysfunction, maybe mycotoxins and mold illness. I have worked with so many women, and I could tell you, for the women that I've worked with that have had implants, there is a definite pattern that I see on their test, really, when it comes to candida and fungi and bacterial overgrowth and parasites, it's. It's almost like looking at the same test over and over again. You can't tell me, you know, this.

Is an estrogen dominant because we mess up the beta glucose, whatever it's called. So, like, all that stuff gets thrown off. Okay, so let's talk about that. Because like you said, and the reason that you're helping me is it's not about just removing them. Like, I could take them out. And I. And I chose to take them out not just because of symptoms. I take them out because this is going to be my sixth surgery and I'm over it. I'm tired of it. So I'm taking them out. So I don't know what's on the other side of it. But you said it's really important that we. One, I don't even know if I'm going to say it correctly, but you said we need to open up drainage pathways, which I don't really understand. So I'm going to ask you about that. And then you said we need to make sure we're really cleaning things out after. So can we talk about that? And this is information for anybody dealing with this.

Yeah. Okay. So I love to talk about drainage pathways. So for anybody listening, if you don't know what drainage pathways are, those are our pathways for Our body to remove our waste, our toxins, our pathogens, through the colon, the liver, the lymph, the kidneys, the brain, and the skin. And each one of these pathways rely on each other to properly drain and detox. And if we don't have these open, flowing pathways, it's like having a clogged toilet. Everybody knows what that is, right? Yeah, very little. Yeah, yeah. Your body's going to have a really hard time detoxing all that gunk in there. You know, the number one sign of a clogged drainage is constipation. But that doesn't have to be the only one. It kind of goes in an upside down funnel. We've got, you know, congestion and acne or clogged pores, joint pain. I know you've got that low energy, inability to sweat, not urinating frequently enough, even a negative mindset. Those are clogged drainage pathways.

So how do we start to open them?

We've, number one, get you pooping daily.

Okay, I didn't have a problem there.

Thank God you don't have a problem. But you can do things. This is always what I tell people to do prior to their explant. So we'll kind of segue into there doing things like dry brushing. I don't know if you engage in that, Natalie, but two to three days a week, dry brushing. Castor oil packs. My favorite. My favorite is Queens of Thrones. They provide restorative sleep, liver, lymph, and colon detox. Castor oil has a way to soak into the tissues very deep and cause a cleansing and healing in any area that you put over it, and it also draws toxin outward.

And where should. Do you need to put it? Over your liver or. Where do you put the castor oil?

I put it everywhere. You put it everywhere? Not really in one setting, but it's any. Any place that I feel. I do put it over my liver a lot. Sometimes I put it over my pelvic area. Sometimes I put it over my thyroid. If I have swollen lymph nodes in my armpits, just put it over my armpits.

Do you put the pack on top of it always or do you just.

Put the oil it really. Most of the time I put the pack over it, but I don't fully understand.

Maybe you can. Let's explain it so. Because if I don't understand it, I know other people don't understand. So you put. So you buy castor oil and you put it on and then you put a. You put a cotton.

Is it Cotton flannel. Like flannel flannel.

What is the flannel doing?

The flannel is soaking it and holding it onto that body so it doesn't wipe off. Okay. Yeah. Then you're gonna want. This is why I love the Queens of Thrones pack, because it's kind of all in one. You're going to want to have a plastic wrap over the top if you don't actually have a pack.

Okay.

Because you need heat to activate it. So once you have that plastic over, you put either a heat pack or with the Queens of Thrones, you don't need it. It has a special coating on the outside that traps your body heat in to activate it.

Okay. So. So I should be using a castor oil pack. And anyone having something like this coming up. You. You should be using castor oil pack. You said daily?

No, Three to four days. A week. Three to four.

And how long do you keep them on for?

I start with 30 minutes. Have all clients start with 30 minutes, then you slowly increase from there. Because the castor oil pack, well, it's a good form of opening the drainage pathways. It's also going to push detox. So people that are starting from the very beginning, you don't want to have a bad detox reaction, which is called a Herx reaction.

Got it. Okay. And then the dry brushing. Explain that. I have a dry brush. I don't know how to use it. What do I do? What do we do with them? Everyone can buy one on Amazon. I just don't know what to do with it.

Yeah. I actually have a link that I can share for everybody on how to dry brush. There is a specific direction and motion that you want to brush in over your body, but you always start with the legs and brush upward in these small, short strokes. It doesn't have to be hard. You don't want to create redness on the skin, but you want to move in the direction towards your lymph nodes.

Okay, what about things that we take? You sent me all. She sent me all kinds of supplements, and I just said, okay, I'll take them, but I don't know what it. So she sent me some very serious vitamin C. Why are we doing that?

Vitamin C is just to help the immune system, to nourish the body. Help the immune system. So 2000 to 5000 milligrams per day collagen to boost the to also.

I'm a huge fan of that anyway.

Yep. And to produce the collagen in the skin for healing, a good Probiotic, preferably a spore based probiotic that doesn't degrade or die from the stomach acid and then supplement to.

Was that unique to me or what's that?

That's unique to you. So.

Okay, got it.

So that's really all I give for general supplementation for somebody who's not working with me. The phase one that you're going through, Natalie, for opening drainage pathways, the things that I chose for you is based on your medical history and. Got it. Your lifestyle.

Okay, that makes sense. But everybody should could be doing those things. Now. Do you recommend anytime you're going through a surgery that you do those things? Because even if someone's listening and they are not, they don't have implants. I would imagine you're going to be taking anesthesia, you're going to be doing antibiotics, there's going to be all kinds of stuff. So should we all be doing that ahead of time?

Absolutely, absolutely.

Got it.

Just helps to give the body a good support. Another thing good thing to take to prep is magnesium citrate. For someone who's not pooping daily. I know you don't have this issue, but it really helps to soften the stool. And you're gonna have sleepy bowels when you wake up from surgery. Most everybody is constipated at least for a day or two after.

Not if you take ozonated magnesium.

So the magnesium citrate will really help with that.

Have you that oxy power, whatever it's called is that. Have you tried that?

I haven't.

Okay. Laura turned me on to that. That stuff is crazy. You all can get that. It's called. It's called oxy powder. It's ozonated magnesium. Messed up. You will not have a poop problem if you take it.

I'm just gonna say that that's a good thing. Okay, so.

And then what about post surgery?

What has to happen post surgery is very unique. I'd say you wanna wait at least four to six weeks before you're doing any type of heavy detoxing. But just generally, you know, if you're not gonna work with a practitioner, I'd say general things that you can do is some type of heavy metal support just from natural stuff like spirulina or chlorella. You can take different binders. I know cell core has some good binders.

Can you explain what binders? I. I took binders with the parasite stuff. But what is a binder? I don't fully understand it. Can you take them all the time? Is that bad? To do.

You don't really want to take binders all the time. Certain binders will bind to your good stuff, too. Your minerals, your vitamins, things like that. So you have to be careful with the frequency and how long you're taking them. But it's really dependent on which one you choose. Something like spirulina, chlorella, you know, natural things like that. They're not going to bind to our natural good minerals that we need in our body. They essentially bind to mycotoxins or metals or other pathogens and help to escort them out of the body. This is why it's really important to be pooping every single day, too. You don't want them to bind and then get down and get stuck in your large intestine somewhere and then let go of the pathogen or whatever it is binding to that you're trying to poop out.

Got it. Okay. So I think. I feel like I'm. I feel like I'm like, equipped because you've helped me with what I need to do. What do people that. If they have. Because I know you specialize, you do a lot of things, but one of the things that you are fully an expert in is explant surgery and, and bii and recovering from that. If somebody is choosing not to remove implants, are there things they should be doing or not doing because you don't want to incur. Because what's coming up for me is here, I'm trying to get rid of toxins. But if you're not going to remove your implants, could that create a problem?

So they can be doing all the things that I just listed that will help to support the body in all those ways. You know, definitely with the vitamin C and the collagen and dry brushing casserole packs. But I would highly suggest staying away from things like the sauna. Yeah. Or hot tubs. Things are going to elevate your body temperature significantly because we don't know how much more that causes leakage through the implant.

That makes sense. I'm starting to hear this more and more, and it's interesting because a lot of people are into infrared sauna. But it could be dangerous if we have this. What about the opposite? What about cold, like cold plunge? Could that create a problem or No?

I don't know so much about the cold plunge, honestly. I think heat's more of an issue. But remember, you know, anything that causes them to expand and contract could create an issue. Exactly.

Yeah. Well, this is super helpful. What do you. What else do you typically help with, because while I have you here and you're obviously super knowledgeable on this, and I know that I you're helping me more with the explant and talking and educating me on bii. But what are the other things that you typically help people with?

Honestly, I work with everybody. If anybody is coming with any type of unwanted symptoms or, you know, chronic problems that they just can't seem to get rid of, their doctors telling them that they have normal blood work, just getting to the root cause is for anything.

So now, what got you into this, Aaron? What made you interested in helping so many people with these? Are you. You're like a detective. You're like a health detective.

So I've actually been in the medical field for a decade, but most of that was spent as a registered dental hygienist. And I transitioned into the functional health space just a few years ago due to my own downward spiral of events that were triggered from the breast implants. So a lot. I've gone through a lot of things. I've gone through breast implant illness, I had mold illness. I've had adrenal issues. So I kind of feel like I'm an expert in a lot of things because I've been through a lot of things myself and have had to heal myself, you know, all those things.

What's going to come up with some listeners and they know how I feel about this because I've shared many times. But what might come up for some people is, okay, well, why wouldn't I just go to my doctor for this? Can you shed some light on your opinion on why what you do could be used in conjunction with regular doctors?

Sure. So I really wish that Western medicine and functional medicine would always work as marriage together, because I think that there's a place for both of them with me. I'm going to take more of a holistic approach to their health and wellness, treating the body as a whole and focusing on identifying those root causes to their health complaints, rather than just treating the symptoms like a doctor would. So, you know, I use functional lab testing to assess these imbalances that these people are feeling with their digestion and how well their body detoxifies their nutritional deficiencies, chemical overload and such, and then use that data to combine with their medical history and lifestyle factors versus your doctor might not look at that. He might not even believe you that you have these symptoms because they look at one marker or two markers on a blood work panel and say, oh, everything's fine. They are there to manage and treat disease and diagnose disease. I am here not to diagnose disease, but to catch dysfunction before it turns into disease.

So here's what I want to say. My experience with working with you and people that I've account because I'm a huge fan. I'm. I, you know, I call Laura the Gut Genie. I've now named you the Health Detective. So the why I like working with a Gut Genie and the Health Detective is that this is their work and they go way deeper and they take the time and they have a whole span of knowledge around all of the preventative and the root roots of things. So I'm a fan of regular doctors too. But as you mentioned, they're looking to quickly treat the symptom, to quickly treat what's going on. So I think it's really great to have somebody in your back pocket that really will help with this. I will say I just sent my 77 year old mom to Aaron because I felt strong. She was not getting evaluated by her conventional doctors the way that I when I see what's going on and I felt really good about sending my mom to Aaron so I highly recommend her. How can people work with you? How can they find you? Where do you want them to go to explore working with you?

They can go to my website@ec restorative.com I also have another website that is just for my breast implant illness ladies called Everything bii. They can go there to read about all my services. They can go and download a free guide on how to reverse their chronic symptoms from breast implant illness and awesome.

Well, thank you so much Aaron. I so appreciate this. Thank you, thank you.