Can We Change Our Skin Naturally with Gin Amber

Today on Midlife Conversations, I cannot wait to chat with J.Y. of Gin Amber Skincare. I can't wait to dive into this conversation. Jen is a licensed holistic esthetician and she's the visionary and CEO of Jenn Amber Beauty. Now. I actually met her speaking in the Dominican Republic. I was speaking on health and fitness and wellness and as I was sharing about foods for our gut and for our health and to thrive, you know, Jen was sitting in the the audience nodding her head like one of those, one perfect student sitting there just nodding her head. Everything I said, nodding, nodding, nodding.

And I thought with everything.

Yeah, she gets it, she gets it. So the more we started talking, I could not help but to notice her skin and how it was glowing. So we got to know each other a little bit better, dove deeper into her thoughts and beliefs and why she developed the line that she did. And I thought this was really important to have you on today, Jen. I'm starting to do a little bit of a series behind non toxic brands. Why this is so important. Most of the people listening to this, you know, we are in our 40s, 50s, 60s and beyond and we've done some of the damage to our skin from sun and from years of the wrong products. So thanks for being here today. Let's talk about how to prevent further damage and how to reduce it. All the things.

Yeah, thanks for inviting me here. I'm happy to be here and share my knowledge and agree with you.

So let's back up a minute, take us back a little bit. Like you have such amazing skin. I mean, was this always a thing with you? Were you one of those lucky ones that said I have this great skin so let me develop products and teach people or what, Tell us the background story here.

Well, background is really painful actually. And you know, I was lost. I had rosacea pigmentation, I had a cystic acne. And like most of us, I was like thinking that that's going to happen for the rest of my life. And you know, when you have a really bad skin issues, it's, it's taking a toll on your mental health. I started feeling angst, like anxious, depressed and, and sad. I didn't want to leave my house. No matter how much makeup I put on, my skin is still, you know, I felt painful. Those kind of spots from acne, by the way, I don't have makeup right now, just a little bit of mascara and I put eyebrow pencil. But it took a long time to actually realize how much nutrition and diet and lifestyle and even our Thoughts including what we eat, how we eat, sleep, what kind of products we apply on our skin. Our skin absorbs in less than 26 seconds and goes into the bloodstream, which is so quick. Imagine like everything that you apply, it goes into your every single organ of your body. So what does it do when you apply A lot of toxicity, right? A lot of toxic products like parabens, which is actually linked to the breast cancer. What happens to the skin? The skin is the last organ where it's going to show from the body. Like, body's like, hey, I'm full of toxins. Look at me. This is what happens skin, when it's purging, that's mean toxin coming out through the surface. And it doesn't matter is eczema, psoriasis, acne, rosacea, and even premature aging. Premature aging is one. One of the signs that we are not eating something, right?

So this is important because you just said it's one of the last things to show our skin, which is our biggest organ. It's the last thing to show signs of this. And what I think my misunderstanding was, and many people's is we think we put a product on. If you have a reaction right away, that means it's no good. Otherwise we kept using it. That's a lot of us. We might stop something because we had a reaction. But are you saying that it could be like this buildup of it, that it then shows up? Explain that more.

If you apply, let's say, depends what you apply. If you apply something with the toxins and maybe irritating acids or irritating alcohols that dries your skin, it can happen to anybody. But if you, let's say you have a brand that you always were using. I have clients like that in their 50s that they were been using the same brand for years, and they suddenly ra right now, their skin does not accept the product anymore. What happened? Because skin gets sensitized. 80% of population have a sensitized or sensitive skin. And sensitive skin is a sign of weak immune system. And we, you know, Natalie yourself, why we have immune, like weakening immune system, autoimmune disorders. Why this happened to us, multiple reasons, but one of the reasons that our body is just simply full of toxins accumulates over years and years and years and years.

So what you just said is really giving me a little bit of a light bulb moment, especially around teenagers. And a lot of people listening do have teens and they're struggling with acne. And then you go to the doctor and they say, okay, you got acne Here's a pill for the acne and here's another toxic cream for the acne which is temporarily drying you up, changing things. But what else is that creating when you do something like that?

Yeah. Any antibiotics, steroids, hydroquinone? They are, they're known to actually at some level to damage your endocrine system, your liver, kidneys, your entire immune system. Most of the people that come to me, let's say they, they were using different or any acne, prescription medicine, they come to me and they say, I never thought. When I simply say, can you just stop using dairy? You know, dairy sort of really correlated with acne. And they stop for a month and they say, jen, my acne is gone. What the heck? Why My dermatologist doesn't tell me that.

Okay, so I have, I'm gonna start asking you about better approaches for this, but I have a few more questions. A lot of people in my age range use Retin A and hydroquinone. I can't. Am I pronouncing it right? Hydroquinone. Pronounce it. And I actually use that for several years. And I did the, the hydroquinone, however you pronounce it to do that. And it works. It does work. Yeah. I use Retin A and I completely stopped both because when I started watch paying attention to my toxic load and looking at my liver numbers and things like that, that was definitely contrib. I stopped those cold turkey, switched to all natural stuff and my skin's actually better now. So can you speak into the issues that you see with Retin A and the other one that I can't pronounce?

Yeah, Hydroquinone basically are really strong prescription medicines that really, really strongly forbidden to use for a pregnant woman. And in my mind, whoever is pregnant can't use something like why would you use if they can't use.

Interesting thought. Yeah, yeah. Why?

Why doctors always say, hey, if you're pregnant you can't use this, this, this and that. Like why healthy person that doesn't have baby in their uterus, why can I use that? Like just ask yourself why. Right. It means there's some damage being done to hormones which going to affect fetus. And why would I use. Right. I don't want to use that. Yeah, personally me. And there are some simple things like you can use natural alternatives that gonna work as well as Retin A. Retina is strong. It's really strong. And one of the biggest side effects of Retin is actually really thin and sensitized skin.

So that makes you susceptible to More things. Right. So then I would imagine, yes.

And then wherever you apply, your skin is going to get sensitive. You're going to go outside, a little bit of sun, you're going to get sensitivity. You're going to go somewhere in the place where a smoke or something in the air, you're going to get sensitive skin. And that can lead to rosacea, psoriasis, and any other, even immune system issues.

No. I know someone listening right now is probably thinking, okay, but everything's toxic. There's so many toxic things out there. Everything's toxic. What I want to share about that is that. That it's not about avoiding all toxic things. Like, we're gonna get that. No. Just from living. That's gonna happen. But it's about this load idea, which finally clicked with me when I went down this journey myself, that it's the load of product after product after product piling up in our system. So it's not that because you just color your hair or you. Or you're around that. It's the amount of stuff we're using overloads our system. And then it shows up in our skin and our health and other ways. So it's about reducing the load. So anytime we can do that, and it's. It's important. I think, me personally, Jen, I don't know about a lot of people. We've all. And I. This is. A lot of women have told me that they cleaned up their cleaning supplies. They did all the other things first, but, like, the last thing they looked at was their skin care or their makeup. It's really wild.

Yeah, I know. It's, you know, like you say there is no way that we can avoid 100 of toxins. It's just like they're everywhere in the air. Radiation, emf. Like, it's everywhere. But as much as we can reduce, you know, be conscious, just be aware of that. Like, okay, I'm gonna reduce this month skin care as much as I can next month. Am I gonna reduce, you know, detergent, house cleaning products or something like that? Maybe after a few months, I'm going to look a little bit more into natural cotton silk fabrics instead of wearing polyester all the time. Yeah, a little bit here, a little bit here, a little bit here. The goal is to reduce as much as we can. It's not. There is no way that you can completely get rid of toxins in your life. There's no way. They're everywhere.

So you developed a whole company.

What.

What was the step into that? Like, how did this. How did this progress with you? Did you start with cleaning up your diet? Did you start with looking for products? Like, tell us the story about how that progressed and why you developed your own stuff versus just buying what's out there.

So my sickness, six years ago, it was my kind of rock bottom, you know, where I started doing a lot of research. And I was diagnosed with Hashimoto steroiditis, pre diabetes, like, leaky guard anxiety, depression, and all this stuff. And it's just like, I went to the doctor after doctor after doctor, and they all. They say you just. You have to take, you know, meds and just be kind of feel this miserable for the rest of your life. And I'm like, somehow deep inside my soul, I knew that there is something out there that can help me. And. And one day I was in bed and I couldn't get up. And I'm thinking, I'm so young, why I'm so sick? And I just, like, I started, you know, doing my own research, like, listening podcasts, listening to the people they healed, autoimmune disorders. And then I realized after cleansing my body, like, changing nutrition, changing diet, changing the mindset, starting doing meditations, actually looking how I can actually sleep, because my slee was really bad insomnia, like, really bad, and changing slowly a little bit. Even at that moment, it did not make sense because all the doctors, they told me, like, you cannot reverse anything what you have. And, like, how in the world, like, I know people. I. I have a friend that reversed Lyme disease, and then I met another person that she reversed Hashimoto's thyroiditis. And then I don't know people that even reverse diabetes. I'm like, if someone out there did this, that. Why can't I?

Why can I?

Yeah, yeah, like, I can do that, too. And my business came in mind. I was always passionate about skin care. I was esthetician all my life. And I really love skin. It's just something that I adore. Skin is something that I think every person is, like, representation of healthy skin. So I started doing research, and I collected all my favorite brands, but I realized I read every single ingredient, you know, on the back of the bottle. I noticed that it's. And then, okay, this is bad. This is bad. This is irritating skin.

This is what you were using on clients and using on yourself for years, thinking you're helping, and you're realizing, oh, my gosh, this is all bad stuff.

And I remember me when I was in esthetician school back then, like, 15 years ago, asking My teacher, I say, what about those toxins that we have? Even then, like didn't make sense to me why I asked the question. And she remembers say saying like, you have to apply like pounds and pounds of cream on your skin to be able to absorb something. And I'm like, no, it's not true. So even in esthetician schools, they don't really know how skin is like a sponge absorbs absolutely everything really fast. So long story short, I created my toxic free, certified toxic free skin care line with the micro needling tools in that which kind of like ladies that you like use Botox or fillers. I have nothing against that. I have done this in my past for quite a while. But you get to the point like okay, what, what I should do, what knowledge I should have to actually replace Botox and still have similar, similar results? Like what can I do if I, you know, keep using Retin A, which is a little bit toxic for us, not as bad as Botox, but still kind of like, you know, I'm really on the natural side. That's just my, that's my passion. What can I do to actually, okay, stop Retin A. What can I actually use? How can I be aware so I can actually use something else but still have the same results? Someone has melasma pigmentation. What can I do actually to stop some steroids so I can start using something else in order to have the similar results? It's just simply we don't know what we don't know. That's right.

So this is so there's so many products out there that say non toxic or they say vegan or they say, you know, how do we cut through the noise? Like what is, how do you know when something really is non toxic and really supportive for us versus something that's actually hurting us? Because I noticed that that's like the new trendy thing just put on labels now, like it just says organic and vegan and then people think it's natural. Can you help us? Like what are some of the bad things that we need to make sure like of all cost you're not putting this in on your skin.

Yeah. Skincare industry in United States is actually not regulated. FDA is not coming to your lab or you know, certain labs, like GMP certified labs, they do come, but in like warehouse my house there are some people, they say I'm doing natural and actually filling their tub with the stuff, you know that they ship from China and they just filling in the bott in the United States and they Put the label, they say, hey, it's made in the United States, it's clean. Wow. So there's no regulation. What about germs and mold growing in your gosh, how can you disinfect that?

That's a real thing.

That's a real thing. It's not actually regulated. So what you can do is individually, it's just you as a human being watching this right now video and thinking, how can I actually now where can I find those good brands? You actually have to do your own research, Check the brands, check the ingredients, check what certifications they have. We have a Leaping Bunny certified where you literally can go to Leaping Bunny organization. Enter my brand and you can find my brand at the Sleeping Bun is certified. That means we are not testing for animals. We do have toxic free certification. These are third party companies, organizations where you can do that. You have to submit as a company, as an owner right now of skincare, I have to submit a lot of paperwork proving that we are not doing that. I have to provide each of my labs, where they make, they reach out to the labs, they actually have documentation from the labs, what testings they do like mold toxicity, blah, blah, blah, and stuff like this. So literally you have to dig yourself and do the research. You have to trust the company. You have to. I personally, I don't buy from anybody if I don't know what's the passion of the owner of the company is. And I'm focusing mainly going towards like some small companies, not. Not big organization. Because sooner or later any kind of company, not only skincare, beauty company, is acquired, bought by big company like l' Oreal and l'. Oreal. Yeah, I'm not gonna say anything. They care only about the money. Yeah. About results.

So this is where it gets hard for us as a consumer because we, we hear this, we'll hear, okay, big company not good, we don't want that. But then we want clean stuff. And then now, so we think we're doing our due diligence, we search for clean. But then like how I wouldn't have known that. I wouldn't have known that someone's buying stuff from China and putting it in a package themselves. And it's not regulated. So this is so interesting. So do we need to make sure everything has these third party certifications and how do we even know if those are the right certifications? Like maybe someone's making those up? Maybe.

Yes, it does. But, well, I believe like more or less people know, like Leaping Bunny certifies quite a big organization I guess you also have to do research on that part as well. Is. Is. I'm telling you, if, if, if I had no knowledge right now, and I will be like, okay, I'm gonna fill my tub, which is dirty, and whatever knows what is in there. Right. Kind of clean it, you know, a little bit with something. Order from India, China, some ingredients. I just pour it, mix it, and then put it everywhere. Like, people literally make their skincare sometimes. You know, those. I. I know actually one guy on TikTok that he sells shampoos and everything, and he literally makes on the carpet in this living room.

Oh my gosh.

Using. Using his sink and stuff like this. Like, I will never buy the shampoo. And people like thinking, oh, it's. It's natural, it's a handmade. But what about if there's gonna grow like mold in two weeks after you buy? And mold toxicity is really brutal, actually.

Yes.

Neurotoxins from all this, like, bad.

Yes, for sure. When you look at the most important things that we should be doing on our skin, what are your suggestions? Hyaluronic acid, like oils, like, what are the things that are. You consider. You're like, these are the natural. You must be doing them.

I always ask my clients, for example, or someone right now, viewers that are watching, what. What is your issue? Because, Natalie, your. Your skin issue maybe is going to be totally different than my skin issue. So one thing does not fit, you know, all. I have a skin quiz on my website, so I always guide them to the skin quiz so they can actually have a little bit more, you know, understanding what, what is going on with. Depends. The age depends. Your skin dry or oily.

Let's talk about like, let's talk about brown spots because that's a big one, especially in my age group. Like, we did a lot of sun damage before. So what do we do? Is there. Is there a way to reduce reverse brown spots?

Brown spots, let's say if it's sun damage. And we used to go, yeah, tanning beds, right.

Back then I was out in my early 20s. Yes.

Yeah, I used to go there too. And there is a way. For example, alpha hydroxy acid cleanser that I do have is. Is really natural. And alpha hydroxy, it's really, really amazing to help to diminish spots. But microneedling does that as well. I do have a before and after from my clients where they had a pigmentation, even melasma. And they help these products, let's say help to really not even that diminished, but help to prevent from happening even more, you know, because sometimes we start, okay, one dot here, one dot. A little bit pigmentation here. But with the age in our 40s, 50s, I notice, you know. Okay, what happened this morning? I woke up. Why is this here? Like, what? Yes. It didn't have that. With time, we have more and more things coming up on our skin. So, yeah, I will say alpha hydroxy.

Okay.

It's really microneedling.

Talk about micro needling for a minute. Because traditionally, people think you've got to go to an esthetician and have micro needling. Or I've seen some people selling them online where it's like a machine you do at home. You have something cool. It's a derma roller that you just roll over your skin. I know you send it to me, and I've been doing it a couple times a week. You just roll it over your skin and that does it. Is that as effective as doing it at the spa and doing it the medical grade one? What's the difference? And. And how is. Because does that actually work like a derma roller versus actually using a machine?

That's. That's my favorite topic. Well, in the office, by the way, doesn't mean it's better than at home. It's like going to a doctor. Doesn't mean the doctor gonna solve my altrum issues. Right. So when I graduated the esthetician school, when we were learning about micro needling, they. They didn't know the difference about real needles. Not real needles. How to use a pen. Even this morning I posted on my Instagram how if you're. You, like, don't want to drag. You want to stamp it because it damages the skin. So I will say, whoever you know that has knowledge that makes sense to you and you know people, what's the biggest issue? People just don't know what's wrong, what's right. Yeah. So with anything like nutrition, I recommend to do research, literally watch video after video after video. From my knowledge, I'm not saying ever that I'm right or wrong. This is what I know my experience in micro needling in 10 years that there must be. If you're doing at home perfectly fine, just do your research. Make sure that using real individual needle.

Okay.

Microneedling tools. Because there are so many dermaroles, cheaper Morales people companies, they just simply want to profit that they actually have needles in it. Because there's their Morales. They don't even have needles in it. Have like a round kind of like wheels where it's kind of cut like a diamond shape, like a knife. And when you enter the skin with these diamond kind of like. Like that, like not actually needle, but it's like that. So this enter the skin is damaging our skin. I have so many clients coming to me after. They're like, oh my God, I was using this fake Denver morale. Then I found you. You know, there is a real actual needles. Like yeah, we have a medical grade actually acupuncture size needles.

Some people are listening right now. They have no idea what we're talking about. So I want to back up a minute and they're thinking, needles face. What.

What do you do?

And, and I'm gonna explain it the best way I know how I've learned it. And then please correct me or tell me, Tell us what it's. It's my understanding that if we do this micro damage to our skin, like little tiny micro need. That's why it's micro needle little. It makes your body, it forces it to produce collagen because it's. Is that correct? So you're increasing blood supply and you're forcing it to increase collagen. So it's the, the best way to increase collagen in your skin. Is that accurate? Did I have that? Did I get that right? Do I get an A?

Yeah, you get A plus. Actually. That's really. Well, micro needling is also called collagen induction therapy. So basically what do you do? Let's say here is a dermaroller, right? I derma roll on my skin and I create micro wounds, which is totally normal. Like if you want to grow the muscle, you want to break the muscle, right? You want to. If you're lifting, you breaking literally a muscle. So you want to break your skin in order to heal it. So this is when you roll that collagen induction therapy is happening. At that moment, your skin is like, whoa, I need to send all the good cells and to repair the tissue. And when the repair is happening, this is where your skin rejuvenates and renews and become youthful glowing. This is where pigmentation can be reduced, fine lines can be reduced. When your muscle is growing. When the muscle is being tiered, right? It's growing, you get a nice six pack. Like how it doesn't make sense. Like you get nicer actually looking stomach. So it's the same with the skin. When you break down the sk. You actually have nicer looking skin.

Got it. Okay, that makes sense. So. And if I'm hearing you correct, it doesn't matter if you're using the roller or you're using the machine. It's just that what's important is that it's actual needles and you're doing it right. Is that correct?

Yes, yes, that's correct.

And if you take the pen, you can actually damage yourself if you don't do it as a stamp.

Yes, yes, yes. I see a lot of people came after going actually to esthetician or even dermatologist office. I see so many on social media, dermatologist, they dragging their pen. I'm like, have you actually tried to see under the microscope what happens, like, with the skin when you actually drag it and when you stomp it? But people, what do you want money? When you drag it is quicker. You can be done in 10 minutes and. Okay, next client, Next client, Next client.

Got it. Okay. With your roller, how many times are we supposed to use it? Like a week. And how many times can we actually use yours before we have to toss it and get a new one?

Well, I have four different sizes. So every single size is for different skin conditions. Someone, for example, with sensitive skin, aging skin. Many women have a sensitive skin. They shouldn't start with a big size. Let's say, like, I will always recommend to start, let's say if you're for 4 is, 56 is, and you do have a sensitive skin or a little bit sensitized skin, I will start recommending. I will start with 0.25 millimeter and that once a week.

Got it? Okay.

Yeah.

So once. Just once a week. Okay. And then how many times can you actually use your roller before you have to toss it and get a new one?

So with every single dermarola, I highly recommend to replace every 10 times because needle gets duller. So when you start with let's say 0.25, after 10 times, you can jump to the bigger size, which is 0.5. After that, again, after 10 times, you can jump to 75 and then reduce that, let's say bigger size. You have to also, like, make longer windows because longer needle needs longer healing times. So if you get to the point where you're gonna 1 millimeter, like this once a month is enough because this is really deep. And with this.

Oh, once a month. So it'll last you quite some time. So but on the small level, you. You use it for about 10 weeks.

Really deep. I don't know if you see, like, really deep. And it's painful. So most of the people will need the numbing cream for that.

Oh, I don't know what you sent Me, probably not that one then.

No, I didn't send you that for the beginners. This is like for advanced.

Okay.

Yeah.

So you'll actually, will you actually see blood? Like does it actually poke holes and you see blood?

A little bit, yeah, A little bit is normal. But you shouldn't bleed, you shouldn't bloody like, you know and you should you.

Be doing it on plain, just clean skin or do you put a product or what do you do?

Yes, wash your skin twice clean, disinfect. Most people disinfect with alcohol but if you have alcohol that's, that's okay. But I do have oxygen liquid that, this, this infection as it works as good as alcohol, you simply will spray on the derma roll. And you want to make sure that you, you disinfect every single time. That's very, very important. And then dermaroll finish their moraling, you rinse it again with the alcohol or with the oxygen, whatever you have at home and then apply of course very skin friendly and non irritating, not toxic ingredients after all.

What are your thoughts on sunblock? It gets very confusing out there. So I'm of the mindset I got to have sunblock on my face every day because I'm going to use a natural one because I don't want to create more fine lines or wrinkles or sun damage. I have my share of that. But then you hear all this controversy about how bad sunblock is and it's damaging and it's creating bigger issues. What are your thoughts on that? Because I've lately been using actually your face sunblock. The minimum.

Yeah. So sunscreen is really topic where it's not actually regulated much by fda, but this is probably something is the most regulated. But still I know many companies they getting, getting away with that. But there is a really high risk if FDA gonna find out that you're doing something not okay. Because sunscreen is considered a drug already. So anything that is drug is regulated. So we did have sunscreen, the one that you have, right? Yeah. Had to be FDA approved. They had to be tested by FDA. This is how they determine the number. You know, 25, 57, 10, stuff like this. So but there is no regulation how clean sunscreen has to be. So I will always recommend. If you're like lost right now, you're like, okay, there are many sunscreens. There are healthy, not healthy, toxic, non toxic. One thing what I will say always look for mineral.

Okay.

Mineral is always healthier because less toxins. And mineral when you apply is basically mineral. When you apply mineral Sunscreen. The race is just goes like that in bounce. Okay. Oh, with any chemical actually the rays go in and then comes out. So goes into the skin actually access the blood. You know, this basically just sit on the top and that's.

And so it basically reflects it off. That makes sense. Okay.

Yes, yes. Good. And I always, I always will look. Zinc oxide is the most natural.

Okay.

Sunblock. So that what I will look in the mineral sunscreen. And I will also look for some ingredients that they add not. Not just you know, sun protection, but peptides. Maybe there's like something else other ingredients that is anti aging that will be like, you know, like we have. This is three in one. This is peptides acetyl tetrapeptide, which is anti aging ingredient is sunblock. And it has a tint which is kind of a little bit. Right now this is all I have today. This sunblock with a tint. So it's a. It's a little bit slight tint. So it's like slight makeup.

When we're washing our face, you talk a lot. I mean I was all proud of my routine night and morning. And then I kept seeing you post on Social. Do not wash your face in the morning. And I don't understand why, why we're not supposed to wash our face in the morning.

I mean, if you do have a healthy skin and if you have a perfect skin, you can keep washing totally. Okay. If you don't have sensitive skin, acne. But people who do have acne, let's say skin, sensitive skin, very oily skin. Like if they have a blackheads, even women in their 50s, 60s, they have that by stopping face wash, you're allowing your skin over the night when produces those healthy nourishing oils actually to nourish your skin during the day. Imagine we go to bed more or less, let's say 10, 11, and then we wake up in seven hours and then we wash our skin again. So it's too quick for the skin to actually keep those oils during the night when we release those oils at night. What skin Basically biology of the skin. The skin at night works and at the daytime rests protection at the daytime actually work nourishment at night. And if we wash off those oils in the morning when our skin was working so hard actually to keep those oils. So it's actually natural. Natural, like natural oils have a very healthy bacteria for our skin to maintain during the daytime to have that. So what I noticed I learned that a while ago from Asian culture that they never wash skin in the morning. And Asian skin is the most beautiful skin you can actually see on average. Right. So I started testing on myself and my acne reduced and my lines reduced. And I'm, I'm gonna actually, actually start asking my friends and some clients and then I, I told everybody and you know, 99.99 people came and say, you know what? Actually my skin got better.

That's amazing. So I stop. I stopped based on what you were saying. I didn't know why I was stopping and I don't have acne, but I, for me, I have very dry skin. And so I. What has changed my skin is using a lot of oils. Like I'm really into oils lately. So I load oil on when I go to sleep. So I don't want to wash it off in the morning. Like I let it soak in skin and it's definitely change. It also to me helps your makeup stay on better when you, if you do use makeup like because of it makes your skin different. So I stopped. So for me, I've been using hyaluronic acid and the, the and oils and I've been using your mineral sun screen and then I've been doing the microderm. You know, I don't like the way it feels. I'm not gonna lie. I do it because I, I know it's good for me. It's good for me. And so that also helps reduce fine lines. I'm here, I'm understanding. So. Right. So, so, so if I hear you correctly, we don't have to necessarily go to the spa and spend money or medical and pay money for these big expensive microneedling treatments because you can do it at home. You're going to get the same result. It sounds like.

Yes. You just have to really know what tool to use and how to use it. If you do not know and if you do not have a time, if you have no idea, it's better to go to the place where they gonna do it. Just simply read face if they did a good job. Yeah.

Yeah. How often do you do it on your face Now?

I do once or twice a month.

Okay. That's with the deep one.

No, I use 0.5 actually, not the regular one. I think that one that you have it.

Okay, so 0.5 and you do it twice a month. Good to know.

Yeah.

This was super helpful today. So you all, if you want to check out her site. I've. I've been featuring just a few companies products that I'm personally using and that I'm learning about I love Jim stuff. I am using her block. I am using her a bunch of her stuff now. But I love that. I don't love it. I love the results of it. I don't, I don't want to tell you it feels good because it does not feel good but it's, it's good for us. So I'm doing.

It works. It does work.

And then Jen, just a couple quick questions before we, before we wrap up about your how you eat. Because you mentioned earlier like you really changed how you eat for your gut. Can you share a little bit about that too and, and how that helps helped heal you too?

Fermented foods is something that I'm always prioritizing on the top of the list that I have to have absolutely every single day either.

Okay.

Sauerkrauts or pickles or kimchi. That's great because fermented foods have a lot of great bacteria that is nourishing our gut, our guts right now. These days because of the pollution of the waters, fluoride, what we eat, cereals, like crappy foods. Right. That standard American diet, sad diet. It is, it's, it's low, loaded with all the kind of, you know, crap. And I think restore our gut flora is the number one food that I personally need in my life is, is a fermented foods that restores like absolutely. I just feel amazing. I just feel great.

I've been working. I forget about it sometimes, honestly. But I keep things like kimchi in my fridge and I try to do a tablespoon of it, you know, with breakfast or if I remember or not. Like you just reminded me I didn't have it this morning. So I'm gonna have it as soon as we're done here. But just adding that in because you don't need much. You just need a little bit.

Just a little bit. Yeah. When you're starting, don't, don't, don't go too much. Like a little bit. Half a tablespoon. That's it.

Yeah.

Because you can have a pretty bad die of symptoms.

Well, thank you Jen. For those of you, if you're going to visit her website, can you share your website? And I know she was generous to create coupon Natalie Jill which gets you a little bit of a discount on there if you put Natalie Jill. But what is your website, Jim, so people can find and take a look?

Jen, Amber.com is a website and with Natalie Jill you're going to Natalie Jill you're going to get 10% off.

Amazing. And I'LL put all that in the show notes. Thank you so much, Jen, for your help today. Thank you.

I appreciate you.