Enzymes and Correct Supplement Dosing with Doug Grant

On midlife conversations today, I can't wait to talk to Doug Grant, because he is known as the formulator, and he has made a big difference in my life when it comes to nutrients and supplements and lab testing and all the things. And he is so knowledgeable and in full transparency, even though he has this huge resume of credentials. Huge resume. He's a formulator, founder of Optimal Health Systems. He was the first nutritionist hired by, uh, by an NBA team. And he, he took the athlete's blood and analyzed their cells to find out why they were or were not performing well. Like, this was something that he was really able to geek out on getting into blood work here. And he provided custom nutrients to improve each athlete's cellular health. He's super knowledgeable on all this. He has helped, and he's helped lead to many athletes, to world champions. I understand. And even with all of that resume, Doug, I was super skeptical to first talk to you because I was in the. I know. I was in the I know everything stage. I know about nutrients, I know about nutrition, I know about supplements, or so I thought. And you've really schooled me. So thank you for being here today.

Oh, it's an honor to be here. And I love your audience. I think it's just so needed today to understand the truths about all the aspects of health when you know everything out there today is guiding you in different directions and to really get a stronghold. I appreciate what you're doing.

Thank you. So let's dive right in. I'm going to just start with some. Some really basic questions that I think most people aren't really clear of. The truth, like, first and foremost, should everybody be supplementing?

Great question. And, you know, you do get a bunch of different answers, but this really was solidified as to what the truth is about this. A few years back, a study came out in the Journal of Nutrition Sciences. And what they did is they said, you know, do you really need it? Some people say yes, some people say no. And so they did this huge study, and they took people and said, okay, let's measure their blood and see if they have a nutrient deficiency. And sure enough, everyone, they measured, okay, over a thousand people had nutrient deficiency. And so they said, let's start increasing their calories every day until they don't have a nutrient deficiency anymore. So they start increasing calories. Calories. And remember, the typical American eats about 2000 calories a day, right? 2000 to 2200, just as a kind of reference. And it took them to get to 27,000 calories in order to say everyone has a hundred percent of the RDA of the basic vitamins and minerals needed. So the answer to the question is everyone needs a supplement, unless you want to gain 6 to 7 pounds of fat a day to get your RDA of vitamins and minerals.

So that number blew my mind when you told me that, because I definitely was under the mindset that if you eat a whole food diet and you're getting your nutrients, you don't need to supplement. It was just sort of insurance plan. So you really changed my thinking there when you said that. I had no idea. So how were people living even before supplements then, though? That's my next question. Like years ago, before there was any supplements, how did that work? Because people weren't eating 27,000 calories then.

Yeah, great question. And it really comes down to the quality of the food, I think. You know, I've been in the industry for over 30 years, and what I've noticed the most in the last 10 years, this last decade, is that the quality of the food has gone down tremendously. When people used to eat processed or, you know, food, fast food, maybe once, possibly every few days, to where most of the time now it's two out of your three meals a day are processed food or, you know, fast food derivative. Even if you eat your home, it's from processed food. And so we're not getting the nutrients like we used to get from our food. And even before, it was tough because of growing. Right. They, you know, they're not rotating the crops and that. And the research is really strong on it. So the fact is, is that every year it gets worse. You're like, well, they fortify the foods with nutrients in that. Well, they're fortifying with synthetic nutrients. So it's not really getting in the cell level, not getting the whole foods like you need. And that's the biggest problem. So what it's creating, you're like, well, if everyone's deficient, unless they're taking, you know, really good vitamins in that, there'll be a lot of disease. Yes. You know, we're having from a 6 to 900% increase in, in diseases, from autoimmune diseases to rise of diabetes to heart disease. If you combine everything, we're having this extremely 6 to 900% increase in the last decade and is due many times to nutrient deficiencies. One nutrient deficiency can cause a major disorder in the body or at least set you up so it's easier to get a disease. And that's really the problem today. So nutrient and make nutrients and being able to balance them in the body is one of the critical factors that if you just do that it helps everything else.

What would you, when you look at nutrient deficiencies, do you see the same similar ones in midlife women or is this really truly like a custom thing that everyone's just genetically different and how you absorb things is different? Like how does that work? Because like I've heard things that like most women need more vitamin D or how much of that is actually true?

Yeah, a lot. There's, there's things that we have that in our world we call them just trans. Right. Data trends, which simply just means that when you take a group. So let's take women, you know, 40 to 60 year old women and over time we do enough blood work and enough tests that we're like, well there's this interesting trend. Most of them are deficient in vitamin D, most of them are deficient in fatty acids that you're needed to balance hormones. They're using more of them at between that age versus other age groups or, or their gender. So absolutely there's trends. We can say for surety that for women, if we're just going to take that demographic, if you know, 40 to 60 year old women, that there are some very specific needs that all of them should do. Like they really should increase their vitamin D, their fatty acids or probiotics. So that's a baseline and then from there you can dial it in even more to your individuality. Right. Your specific needs at the cell level.

When you said that there's some that all women over 40 would pretty much need. What are some of the things you just said? You said a couple things, but I want to make sure that I'm. So I would assume it's vitamin D. And, and you said, what else did you say?

Okay, so let's, let's go through those. So there's fat soluble vitamins, vitamin A, D, E and K. Out of those, the biggest one for women is going to be vitamin D. Because vitamin D is the only vitamin that actually works as a hormone. And so it has many different functions in the body, but it can work as a hormone which is critical for women. It also works with calcium to be able to keep the calcium in the bones, which is critical. Women especially premenopausal, menopausal, postmenopausal. And so vitamin D is the, the key nutrient of the fat soluble vitamins that every person, but especially females with that age group need more than than others. And I'm a big, big fan of that.

And can you get enough of that vitamin D from just going out in the sun? Because I used to believe that too. So I don't know.

So that's a great question. Because a lot of people think, well, the sun creates vitamin D, right? The sun doesn't create vitamin D. The sun activates the body's ability to make vitamin D if certain nutrients are present. If you're in nutrients, your body can't make vitamin D just because the sun hits.

Ah, makes sense. It activates it. That's a big difference.

Yeah, big difference. So. So we do need the sun. It's critical. You need 15 to 20 minutes a day. And you should be out grounding, getting a little sunlight. Right. For all the benefits and for vitamin D. But you now have to have that baseline nutrients to make. You got to have the ingredients for the recipe. Right? And so that's the key with it, with vitamin D. So that's one big nutrient. The other one I mentioned were fatty acids. And fatty acids are things like dha, epa, they're just the names of the fatty acids that your body uses to make hormones. The body makes hormones from good fats.

Okay.

And if you don't have those good fats in the system, no matter how much your body wants to make the hormones or make that change with hormones because you're going through a different time of life, it can't do it. If those fatty acids aren't present to be able to then be the building blocks for hormones and for hormone balance. Balance. So that means things in your diet, if you want to talk, just diet is like flaxseed, right? Borage oil, algae oils, things like that. And those are critical. And I'm a big fan, Natalie, of things like plant based fatty acids. A lot of people do fish oils and that. But mercury is such a big problem, especially even more than men with women, that mercury could really mess you up. And most fish oils today have mercury or if they take you out. Yeah.

Okay. So you use plant based instead for this reason. I didn't know that you could get the same benefit from that.

You couldn't. And that's kind of a thing that has been thrown around a lot that you can't get the same benefits. But if you look at it, if you just use things like borage and flaxseed, there are things like EPA specific fatty acid that women need, that everyone needs. You're like, well, then I need to get it from the fish. Fish oil. Well, Timeout. Fish don't naturally have it. Fish get it from eating algae. So why in the world are we eating the fish oil, mercury in it when we go straight to the source? Right. You cut out the middle fish.

Yeah, that makes total sense.

So your product should have borage, flax and algae. That's a great fatty acid formula.

Okay. So vitamin D and that. And then is there anything else that's critical that you would say, supplement wise, that all women should be taking over 40?

Yeah, I would say magnesium. As far as minerals is concerned, calcium. Magnesium is too big. Magnesium. Most women know calcium, right. And we can talk all day about it, but I think that's really well known that you need that, especially as we get past our 30s. But magnesium is one that's not talked about enough.

And I think that there's different types of magnesium. It can get confusing for people.

What?

And there's different types of magnesium. So it gets confusing for people.

It is. And if you take the wrong type of magnesium, all it does is create like diarrhea. Right. There's, there's, there's most magnesium. If you go to the storm, you know, you have all these supplements out there that are magnesium based, that are really to help with constipation and that. And so the wrong form of magnesium really causes the problem, needs to be organic magnesium. And we call it magnesium glycinate, the very specific form. And that's the form that's in if you ate spinach or broccoli or things like that. That's the form that's in the foods. And so you want to stick to your vitamins and minerals from a food source, not from making them, you know, synthetically. Like most of them are made today. So magnesium, calcium for minerals, vitamins of vitamin D. And then the other nutrient that I talked about was probiotics, which I think is finally becoming more well known now. You say that and people, oh, I got it. Flora. Probiotic. Yes. Fermented foods. And, you know, 15 years ago, it just was like, what are you talking about? So it's good that we know about it. But for women especially, you know, 90% of your serotonin, 50% of dopamine is created from the probiotics in your gut. And anything that's acidic in your life destroys those probiotics. So, you know, sodas, alcohol, stress. But when you're going through a hormonal change, like kids through puberty or women going through, you know, pre, menopausal, postmenopausal situations, an acid is created and that in itself can destroy your friendly bacteria. So now you're craving, you know, sugary foods. You don't have good dopamine, you know, joy thoughts, happiness thoughts. And it's all because your friendly bacteria is being destroyed. So you definitely need to supplement probiotics or eat a lot more fermented foods. So probiotics, vitamin D, calcium, magnesium, and the last one would be enzymes. I think that's overlooked. It's not talked about enough. You know, we did your blood work, and we really saw that your really, your body needs enzymes able to digest your food. Because if you don't digest your food, you know, you said it so well. Yeah. It can actually cause death. Right, right. You need to digest your food, and your body will work to do it, and you need to give it help. If you can digest food, you get the nutrients so the body can balance. You can go through life and midlife situations that the body needs to adapt to.

Okay, I've got a lot of questions in some of the things that you just said, so I'm just gonna. There's no particular order, but let's start first, because we just talked about it, the enzyme question. So I did not understand this about enzymes before, and there's a lot of mixed opinions around it. So you were the first that really educated me on this, because I did not understand that. This is what I learned from Doug, that if food is in its raw form, the enzymes are intact, like you're getting the enzymes. But as soon as we cook or process or change the structure of food, if we do not take enzymes to help break that down, we are not getting the complete nutrition from it. Did I say that right, Doug?

Boy, you said it so perfectly. Absolutely.

So I didn't understand this. So now I carry digestive enzymes with me. I carry your digestive enzymes with me. My question there is, what if I forget to take them? Because I do. Like I just realized as I'm talking to you, I didn't take one with my lunch, but I took one with breakfast, and I took one. I'll take one with dinner. But what happens when you forget them?

Good question. So two things with that. One is that you have up to an hour after you eat that if you forget, you know, immediately, you can take them because food sits in the upper portion of the stomach, called the fundus portion of the stomach, for a while. So you can do that. But let's say you forgotten it was hours later. You did miss that. Your body had to do extra work to digest that meal. It did take energy away from you. But if you consistently take plant enzymes, it's not like vitamin C, that once your body gets enough, it goes through you, right? Turns your urine color, whatever it might be that your body will store and it'll use those. And so you can actually have saved up enzymes that the body says, hey, we have this store of enzymes. Let's use them to help digest this food. Because there's no enzymes around. So in your case, and you've been consistent with it, you can get away with it once in a while. But remember, you're kind of taken away from that bank account. You need to make sure you add them back.

Got it. So digestive enzymes. Now, I personally use Doug's enzymes, but if you don't have Doug's enzymes yet, which will link up, everything get just taken enzyme. That's what I'm hearing. But let's. Speaking of that, let's now talk about synthetic versus whole food, because that's another thing. I didn't understand that a lot of times supplements. And I went through all my supplements and I thought I had really great natural brands. But I realize because they don't say made from whole food sources, they are likely synthetic. So can you speak into that? And why are so many synthetic?

Great question. The why there's so many synthetic. You'll get me going down a rabbit hole there. But, but the, the basics is this is that years ago, big business and big pharma found out that you could make money in the supple world, that, you know, the food doesn't have it anymore. So they all got involved and it really changed the landscape. And they realized that they could create vitamins from chemicals and sell them to you and get away with selling them as the vitamin. And people not know the difference. The best simple example is vitamin C. So vitamin C, if you look on a label and it says emergency on it, like label or whatever, it'll say ascorbic acid. So whatever brand you look at, it'll say ascorbic acid. Now, ascorbic acid can be made in the lab by combining corn syrup with hydrochloric acid.

Wow.

And that, as you can obviously think about, that's not really a natural vitamin that the body needs. And so that's how you make ascorbic acid in the lab. Now, how nature makes it is it makes vitamin C. And it's in the orange, it's in, you know, the cherry. It's. It's natural. And you pull that vitamin C from that and put it into a Capsule.

Okay?

That's whole food, vitamin C. So it's a big difference between a chemically derived vitamin, synthetic vitamin, and whole foods. So the answer is exactly what he said. Look, on your label, it should have a name of a food next to vitamin A. It should say from carrots. Right? Or yams. Or at a minimum, it should say from whole foods. So that they might have a whole food blend on the label that, you know, their vitamins come from. And that's the way to make sure they're whole food. If not, you're taking a synthetic. That actually could lead to more problems.

I'm just trying to picture. This is. Maybe this is a really dumb question, but this is where my brain goes. I'm trying to picture the little tiny pill and how they're getting all the whole food into that. Like, how. How is this actually working? Are they, like smushing it all into, like a juice? And like, how. How do they. Like, I'm so curious. Like, how do you actually make all these great things in a whole food vitamin?

I'm so glad you asked that because I wish more people would ask that. All the years I. I get that. That question the least. It's my favorite. When we first started making whole food vitamins, I don't know, you can probably ask your parents or the grandparents. They'll say, oh, yeah, we have those big giant horse peels, like alfalfa pills in there.

Okay, Yeah, I remember those. I remember those. Yeah, I could still smell the taste of them.

And. Because the only way to get the whole foods. And it sounds like your parents are the same as mine.

Yeah, I remember that.

Yeah. Was big, giant horse bills. And, you know, they had all the whole foods in it, and it was just crazy. And then all of a sudden, well, how do they get it in these little capsules and those pills now? Well, most of the time they're not whole food. They're synthetic. But how we did it with whole food and the people that stuck to whole food to back up. Sorry. Is that there were really small amounts. They like 3 milligrams of vitamin C and that type in it because, you know, it took up so much room.

Okay.

And there is a dilemma, right? But what we learned is that we can, through fermentation, boost the potency of the whole food, still keep them whole food, but boost their potency. So we could get them in small areas. So that's our specialty, is that's what we ferment whole food vitamins to increase their potency. But we can Put them inside the capsule. And most people, companies don't want to do that because it's expensive, you know, simpler to make it in a lab because it's chemicals you don't have to deal with. Real foods, you know, could spoil and things like that. And that's why, you know, there's not too many whole food vitamin companies left in the world. But it's really critical that that's what you take into your body so your body doesn't have to fight to turn this chemical into, you know, a usable vitamin.

Wow. Okay, so when we do take synthetic vitamins, what's actually happening is our body not really using that stuff? Like, what. Are we getting any benefit from that?

Yeah.

Do people need to go throw it all away? Like, what do we do?

Well, I recommend throwing it away, but you can get some benefit. But here's what has to happen. So let's stick to ascorbic acid. Okay, so if I take synthetic vitamin C, ascorbic acid, which most people do, into the body, and a lot of people go back to, like, emergency and those things, well, I take it, I get energy. Well, remember, it's made from hydrochloric acid and corn syrup. It's a sugar rush. But you take it and the body will say, hey, here's a structure that if we give a bunch of energy and some, you know, hydrogen and oxygen molecules to make it methylated and organic and a bunch of chemistry junk, then we can utilize this. So your body has to give up energy and other molecules of energy to make that synthetic work. And it can do it, but it does it at a cost and it doesn't do it very efficiently. That's why you get. Some people say, well, I take vitamins and it worked and helped. And other people say I took them and they didn't really do any good. Well, one person might was able to convert it and other person not. And why in the world are you asking your body to do that? You know, you just want the nutrients like you get from food. You should just get them from a whole food source. So the answer is it's possible, but it comes at a cost. And not everyone can convert synthetics to the usable organic nutrients the body uses to support life.

Okay, now, talking about probiotics, and I probably confused my audience here because I've had so many different guests on. We've talked about gut health, and we've got gone down this whole road there. And then I was a huge advocate of making sure you get all that done. And then I've had doctors on that say probiotics are overkill. So I think I've confused everyone. So help us shed some light here. Like, how important are probiotics? Like, what do we actually need to be doing for that? And if you're eating well and, like, do we actually need to add those.

Great. So it, you know, like 20 years ago, 15, 20 years ago, when I'd go on and talk, and it was more on. On TV shows than podcasts back then, but go on and speak. I had to educate people on what probiotics were. And I was so excited when the world got up to speed on probiotics. But now it. Like you'd mentioned it's even going the other way, like, oh, you shouldn't take probiotics. You know, like, now it's a fad thing to say. You know, you can take too much and. And all that. So what's the truth? The truth is that if you live in the United States of America, right. Then you need to take a probiotic supplement.

Okay.

Or you need to find a fermented food to eat. We're the only country on the planet that doesn't consume fermented foods daily. Right.

Pickles don't count, right?

What?

And I don't think pickles count.

And pickles usually don't count. No, not with ones we usually. So, for example, if we lived in Korea, we'd have kimchi with almost every meal. Fermented cabbage.

Right.

If we lived in Japan, would have true miso soup. Not what we get most of the time here, fermented. If we lived in Germany, we'd have sauerkraut. Real sauerkraut, not, you know, bank.

Yeah.

You know, the. The ballpark sauerkraut. So point is, is we're not consuming these probiotics on the daily. The friendly bacteria. And we were meant to. We're the only country that doesn't. So, yes, everyone needs to supplement. Or you need to have fermented food in your diet, which is great. You know, kombucha.

And how much fermented food would you need to have to make that make up for it?

Great question. So you need to have at least 2 servings of a fermented food a day. If you look at every culture in the world with healthy gut, then they have two servings. So two servings of kimchi or miso soup or kombucha, that needs to be your minimum. So if you do that, great. But for most people, they don't. And that's why we supplement with probiotics. And so I would say almost every single person needs to supplement probiotics in America. And the research backs it up. And you want to, because that's what determines your cravings, how much you crave sugars. That determines your dopamine. Like I mentioned serotonin, which, those are big words. But think of happy chemicals, the things that make you happy, have joy and enjoy life, those chemicals. So you want to make sure your probiotics are up to speed. But what happens if you take too many that the. What. Like you'd mentioned, think of your gut like a parking lot. So you have the tubes in your intestines, right? Everyone can picture those tubes, but picture in those tubes, they're little parking places all the way, both sides of those tubes, okay? All the way around. And those parking places are going to be filled. They're going to be filled with either good bacteria, bad bacteria, or yeast. And women know this more than anyone on the planet because you'll go out and get an antibiotic and anti means against, biotic means life. So you're going to go get something that destroys life. And hopefully it destroys all the bad life, right? The bad bacteria, but it destroys the good, too. So those parking places might have some bad bacteria in them, pathogenic or good bacteria, but the antibiotic wipes them all out. So now all the parking places are empty in your. In your intestines, right? Your gut. They're going to get filled up. And if you don't fill them back up with friendly bacteria quickly, they get filled up with yeast. And now you have a yeast infection, okay? And most women know that. So now you need to go get another prescription. What you need to do is be taken fermented foods. If you do take an antibiotic, take fermented foods or probiotics while you're taking them, and then especially after to fill those parking places up. So if the parking places are filled, let's say that me and you have a lot of fermented foods. We take our probiotics. We don't have a lot of acid in our life. Sodas, alcohol, you know, things like that. And all of a sudden we take extra probiotics. We have some more fermented food. Is that bad? Heavens, no. It's going through. Parking places are full. Make sure everything's good to go. And then it goes out the other end and just helps with normal digestion. And so really, there's no such thing as too many probiotics or fermented foods. It'd be like okay. Then you'd be telling these people in other countries, you know, quit eating so much sauerkraut kimchi, you know, for. No, no, it's great nutrients and the body picks what it needs and what it doesn't need. It aids in the digestion elimination process. So everyone should be on a good probiotic. The key is the probiotic, when you take it supplementally, it needs to have research showing that it can get in past the acidity of the stomach and actually colonize. And a lot of probiotics today, because it's so hyped, they actually don't get in and colonize, they get in the gut. So make sure your label says heat resistant stabilized on the probiotic.

Okay, good to know. I don't know that most say that. So.

Yeah, yeah. And then. And it's a process again, it's more expensive to create a heat stabilized, you know, acid stable probiotic versus just throwing one in there. And if the public doesn't know, boom.

Then they're not gonna know. Yeah. Okay, let's get into what I did versus, like what you reckon, what other people are doing. So I went like a whole nother level because I'm just a little not so like that. And I wanted the best of the best. The best. And I did lab testing to know exactly what nutrients I need and I want. This is something that I do suggest to everybody now that I understand this, but I would love to hear from you more. Like, how necessary is that? Who do you recommend that to? Should everybody be doing that? Is there any harm in not doing that? Just all that? Because most people don't typically lab test for supplements. They're guessing. They're saying, okay, we are of this age. This is what I need. Where did this. Why do you, why did you recommend that for me? And if you could speak for yourself, and I can share how I feel doing that, but I'm curious, like, where that even came from and how necessary that is for people.

Yeah, great, great question. So we talked about the demographic of women, like say 40 to 60 or, you know, you can take any demographic, man, young kids, whatever it might be that we do know that there are nutrients that high majority need. And so in your case, you would be able to say, okay, Doug, let's put together a pack of nutrients for women 40 to 60. That's going to cover the majority of their needs. Absolutely. I'd recommend everyone at least do that. Right. And. And it's. No, it's not the Centrum silver or something, some synthetic crap. Like that, like really put together probiotics, enzymes, fatty acids, vitamins, minerals, you know, that are based on, you can do that and cover I'd say good 80% of your followers base of what they need and they'd be so much further along, just boom. Right?

Yeah.

And if you want to like in your case go, I, I want really detailed, I understand the importance of getting my nutrients balanced. You know, very specifically the right amount of vitamin D, the right amount of fatty acids, the right amount of help with the thyroid, iodine, iodide, you know, like the exact nutrients for balancing. Then that's where the blood work comes in. And of course people like me and you are going to say everyone needs to do the blood work because we believe they do. We've seen it right. For decades. We know that dialing that in makes a huge difference. Right. It's a difference maker of staying positive, of being balanced so that your, your eating plan does work better, that you recover from exercise and it's just that much better.

Yeah.

So I would say everyone should at least be on something specific for their age group that we know we can get close. And then high majority of people really should get blood work done for two reasons. One, you should get blood work done to really customize your nutrients, but you should get blood work done once every at least six months. Like I work with a lot of people from professional athletes to CEOs, you know, like yourself and that to the general public to where we train thousands of doctors every year how to work with their patients. So from patients to general public, to high achievers like yourself, to professional athletes, and every single one that I work with, I recommend to get blood work done at least twice a year. One for their nutrients, but the others to know their risk of disease. So we saw some things in your blood that you're extremely healthy, but we're like hey, here's kind of like based on your genetics, the direction your body is going, let's fix it before it goes there. Right. Because we can see it in the blood work and I think everyone should do that. So for the purpose of knowing your risk of disease and for longevity, you know, to dial it in, you should do blood work twice a year and get your nutrients dialed in. And so that's what I'd recommend. At least get on a basic custom product supplement that you know, like that you can create for them and that would cover it. And then as soon as they can do blood work to dial it in even more.

So I'm a huge fan of this as you know. And we're actually going to link all this up in the show notes too, for you all. But if you go to Midlife Conversations.com forward slash lab test. Midlife Conversations.com forward Slash lab test. I will have that redirecting to know how to do lab testing through what you do, Doug, and to work with one of your trained people that can actually analyze and help get people on custom supplements. I'm a huge fan. I love what you're doing. I love how I feel doing your supplements. I've got to say, ever since I did this and I was like a total skeptic because I'm skeptic about everything until I understand, but it's. I can actually feel a difference and I didn't understand that. You should feel something from your vitamins, which you should. Apparently when you actually are taking good whole food vitamins, you actually feel. You can feel it. You feel more alert, you feel more energized, you feel more focused. Like it just all sort of, I don't know, it gives you that like extra edge. That's how I can explain it. It doesn't feel like a caffeine thing. It's more like you just have an extra edge. Do you hear that a lot from people?

Yeah. No. 100% even. A lot of people are used to taking supplements. Me. And you have a friend that was taking 75 or 80 supplements a day and he's like, I feel so much better now. I'm taking so many less. And I'm. Yeah, you're taking synthetics that were stimulating, like almost like a fight or flight response.

Sure.

Like you said, versus now you're giving the body what it needs so you have better clarity. Right. Your. Your mind's functioning at a higher level and you, your body itself, the cells are happy and you feel that. And it should be something that you notice immediately.

Yeah. And it's. And it's so nice too, because what he sends is like these little plastic packets that you take like six or seven little cow. It's like six or seven with. Has all your things in there versus a whole. You know, the two handfuls that I used to take.

Yeah, absolutely. Or. Or seven or eight bottles. Right. Most people have all these bottles laid out. We now have the technology to put them in little packs with the person's name on it.

And you label them evening and am. Which is very convenient. You even like me. You can't mess them up.

Well, and, and a lot of that too, Natalie, is that we know that Most people aren't fanatics like me and you are, right? And so they're like, look, I got it. You know, taking vitamins are important. Yes. I need to, you know, watch what I eat and stuff, but I want to spend all day doing that. I want to do it so I feel better so I can spend all day doing the stuff I want to do. Exactly. That's why you have coaches, that's why you have mentors, that's why you, you know, people listen to you, is how can I shortcut this and do the high quality stuff so I don't have to do the quantity, that I don't have to spend all day long worrying about my vitamins, my exercise, my nutrition. I have it laid out for me, you know, qualitatively. And that's what we do with the professional athletes is like, okay, we know their time's limited. So here, I'm gonna do blood work, I'm gonna give you what you need supplement wise. Here's a nutrition ideas and plan. Do that now. Get off and go do what you want to do and enjoy life and dominate, you know, and, and make your, your things happen. So you get it done. You don't overlook it, but you do it in a way that you can use quality over quantity.

Oh, this is so helpful today. Thank you so much, Doug. I will make sure I link up in the show notes all the things that we talked about, the enzymes that we talked about, how to do custom lab testing, how to even have a consult to see what the right thing is for you. I'll link all that up in the show notes. Thank you so much, Doug, for being here today. Thank you.

Oh, it's been great. Thank you so much. So thanks for what you're doing. I think people really need what you are offering as far as an understanding that there is hope as we go through these different periods of life and that we're not just going crazy, that it's a lot of it's just about balancing the body at the cell level. So thank you so much.

Thank you, thank you.