Fighting Autoimmune Disease & Depression Holistically with SoulCBD Founder Mike Lee

Today on Listen Up, I've got my friend Mike Lee. Not only is he the co founder of Soul cbd, but in his past life, as he likes to say, his past life, he was a champion fighter, like a real fighter, like a boxer. He's got, as I'm talking to him, if you're watching the video version of this, you can actually see his belts behind him. But he knows a thing or two about pain. He knows a thing or two about autoimmune and about overcoming setbacks. And I have a lot of questions for him today. So thank you so much for being here, Mike.

Yeah, thank you for having me.

So take us back because it's kind of interesting that you are a co founder of a CBD company. Like you were a fighter. That was what you did. Take us back several years, like what was happening, what was going on?

Yeah, well, I mean, as you mentioned, in the past life, I used to get punched in the face for a living, which my mom was obviously thrilled about. But you know, it's from just a 10 year career as an athlete that I ended up stumbling upon health and wellness and alternative measures outside of prescription medication. But in 2013, I was young, undefeated fighter. I was about 12 and I just had a fight in Madison Square Garden from 20,000 people. I was on top of the world. And I started, my body started shutting down, my immune system shut down. I had severe inflammation. I was getting migraines every single day. And with that came anxiety attacks, depression. It was a really, really dark time for me. We had to pull out of my next fight. And I spent almost two years in and out of hospitals and out of the ring and not doing what I love. And literally at some point, spending 14 days in the hospital and sitting in that bed as they're prodding me and trying to figure out what's going on and stop the pain cycle. And I, I'm looking up on the TV and seeing my, my Subway commercials on TV and wondering if people actually knew, you know, what was going on. So needless to say, it was a very dark time in my life.

So I'm assuming you're almost having an identity crisis at that time, because here you're this powerful fighter, you've got all these deals and things, endorsements, all this stuff happening and you, it's like you're living a different life all of a sudden.

Absolutely. And that, that was my biggest fear. You know, my number one goal was I was 12. And oh, at the time, with 12 fights to fight, I didn't know where my career would go. But I just told myself, you know, at the lowest point, I was on eight different medications, and I was completely addicted to painkillers. I was later diagnosed with the autoimmune disease, and that started to answer some questions for us. But in terms of my identity, it was everything. I put on boxing gloves when I was 8 years old. I was an athlete my entire life, and so wondering what I do next. And even now, since I retired two years ago, I still deal with identity issues. And I think a lot of professional athletes, a lot of people in the military, I mean, anybody transitioning into careers, your identity gets wrapped up in your ego and everything about you. And that, I think, has been also one of the toughest things for me as a human being is to, you know, detach from that identity and realize that, like, I have love and I am enough if I'm not performing in an athlete. Because, ironically, the thing I love most in the world was hurting me the most. It was literally putting me in hospitals with broken noses, broken ribs, broken hands, and my body and spirit just said, enough's enough after 22 fights.

So there's a. I'm wondering. There's a whole nother thing that goes along with that, too. Like, there's a whole, I'm assuming, drive behind being a fighter. And I don't know if you've explored that much, but, like, what makes someone want to be a fighter? Because. And I'm assume. I'm assuming. And I don't know, but that gives you some type of release or some type of thing that you're looking for. And then when that's gone, does that create a whole nother host of problems?

So it really does.

And I'm asking that because I'm just thinking of, like, a runner. Like, a lot of times, runners don't run just for the physical fitness of it. They're running because that's how they shut down their. Shut their brain off from anxiety or stress or. So what did fighting do for you, and what did you find by stopping that?

I mean, you're spot on with that. And I think that even in my life today, I'm trying to continually find healthy ways to get that adrenaline rush. Because what it feels like to walk out of a tunnel in Madison Square Garden or the MGM grand and fight for a title in front of thousands of people and a million on tv, and you're coming out of the tunnel knowing you're risking your life, like, people die in this sport, straight up. And, you know, I was ranked Number three in the world. The last year of my career. So I'm fighting straight killers. I'm fighting guys who are phenomenal athletes as well. And so with that feeling of excitement and nerves and passion and purpose, it was the greatest drug I ever had in my life. I mean, that adrenaline I became addicted to, and it ended up causing me pain. But now it's trying to find that. That healthy way to live my life. Because you're exactly right. When you're in the ring, there's nothing else you're thinking of, and that's so rare in life. You can find something where you're so dialed in and focused at such a high level that nothing else is coming into your mind. And that's a beautiful thing, but also can cause a lot of pain.

It's interesting because I've done just so much research around adhd, as I know you and Angie are super familiar with. But I think that's also something that. A coping mechanism that people find that deal with that is like skydiving or fighting or something, because it gives you that hyper focus that we crave. It makes sense. So I would imagine that that also was contributing to pain when you stop, because now you've got more time to think about what's going on in your body and other things.

Yeah, I feel like this is a therapy session right now. Natalie, you're spot on here. It is. I mean, I think, in a sense, it was escapism. Right. And a lot of people deal with that. I think I deal with that. I. I started surfing, and I found, you know, that's a physical activity. It gives me that adrenaline rush, something I love, where I can get into that flow state, which is really what you're talking about. My sister has adhd. I know a lot of people that have that, and they kind of describe that similar feeling of you're just craving something where you're in that flow state and not thinking about a million different things. And unknowingly, you know, boxing and sports just brought me that, which gave me a lot of blessings. I mean, I'm grateful I had these belts behind me. I had a lot of amazing experiences. It brought me a lot of great, great things. But as I mentioned before, it's like, what's the flip side of that? And now I'm kind of. I'm dealing with that. I mean, I'm in pain every single day of my life.

Yeah.

Blank. So it's just like, how. How am I managing that the right way?

And that's what I want to ask you now about. Because. And I. I was certainly not a boxer. I certainly am not claiming to have your level of pain, but I have had massive injuries. I mean, in the last two years, my audience knows, like, disc rupture, bicep tear, like, so I live in that chronic pain, and I've really worked to break through that pain cycle. So I've got a lot of questions for you on. On that, too. And when I say pain cycle, for those of you not hearing, hearing that term for the first time, pain cycles, when we are in pain and we stay focused on the pain, and because of the pain that we're focused on, we're now taking actions like not being active or not, we start thinking, what's the point? And you stay in this vicious cycle where in order to break the pain cycle, you have to get yourself looking at other outcomes so you can get out of that. That cycle.

Yeah. I think that chronic pain becomes so much more than physical. It becomes mental. Right. And it's so important, as you said, to break that cycle. And it's just finding healthy ways to do that. I didn't have healthy tools to do that. I was using painkillers, I was using fighting, I was drinking. I was using things that boosted my ego. And now I've learned really all natural solutions to it, and it's just constantly managing it. You know, I. I talk to people, and I get DMS all the time. I. Because I wrote a piece for the Players Tribune called Invisible Pain, and it was all about this invisible pain of my past depression and head injuries and autoimmune issues. And the one thing that I got back from people that really lit me up was like, you gave me hope. You gave me hope that even though I'm going through this pain, that I can get through the fact that you got back in the ring. And so that, to me is number one for anybody in chronic pain is hope. You have to have hope that things will get better, because if you start to go down that negative perpetual thinking, you'll really get that negative momentum. And I was in that dark place of really bad thoughts. And so anything I can do in this life to instill hope in other people that deal with chronic pain, I'm going to do until the day I die.

So let's talk about your process, because being on eight medications is a lot. And being on painkillers, which is not only physically addictive, it starts getting mentally addictive. We. We start getting fake dopamine from that and all types of things that are Affected by that. What was your process? How did you. Because I'm sure it wasn't a. Like, I'm going to cut this off today. Or maybe it was, how did you. What was your journey to deciding? Because people are listening like, there's no way they're going to give up their pills right now.

Yeah. And you know what? Let me say, first of all, I'm not encouraging everyone to get off their pills. I think that Western medicine has its place. Some people need it for certain things. I just think we've gone way overboard and we're too dependent on it. And there should be other tools in the tool belt that a doctor offers you. I mean, my agent and team brought me the best doctors in the world. I spent more money and time on it, and way too often it was someone just writing a prescription. So all I'm saying is there's other alternatives, and let's look into that. But, you know, going back to what you said, I. I weaned off everything really slowly. I used things like cbd, changing my diet, mindset, breath work, you know, infrared sauna, hyperbaric chamber. I mean, I go on and on about the biohacking that I did, some of it better than others, but it was a slow process. And it was like a lot of ups and downs. It was some days and weeks where I felt like I was getting some progress, and then other days and weeks that I was back to zero or, like negative two, in a sense.

How did you get the motivation to even do some of those natural things? Like, were you like. Because I'm asking that. Because there's people right now that are doing the not so natural, and they hear, let's do breath work or let's do this. And they're like, wait a minute. How did you get. How was that transition for you? Like, what was that? Was there a moment you're like, I don't want to do this way anymore. Did somebody talk to you? What got you thinking of these other ways?

Yeah, there were a couple moments. There were a couple moments that, to be honest, scared me. And one moment in particular when I was really reckless at 2am on way too many painkillers, driving a car down 290 the Eisenhower. And I felt like I had a thought of, what if I just go into the median? And I've talked about that before. And it was a moment that really scared me. I was scared shitless of how close I was to doing that. And there were other moments when I thought, when you're in pain, I Was like, do I just take the whole bottle? And I, I never, you know, tried to commit suicide or anything like that. But when you're in chronic pain at that level and identity issues and all these things, all those things came up. And so, you know, in that way, the pain was a gift because it brought me to a point where I was like, enough's enough. I can't live my life like this anymore. And I had a couple of really scary moments where I was like, I need to make a decision. And that's either to dive into anything else I can do to get healthy, get back in the ring, figure this out, get out of this depression, fight this depression, or go the other route, which is a route that I'm. I'm just not going to choose to take.

So, yeah, so this was like your rock bottom in all those things?

It was rock bottom. It was multiple rock bottoms.

So what. How was CBD even introduced to you? I know, and I, when I was introduced to CBD 10 years ago, and I remember it tasted like dirt. It was like $900 for a bottle. My. I read from a biohacker that I should be taking it and I tried to take it. It was disgusting. I was like, I don't know, I'm like, how am I going to get enough of this in to know that it's making a difference? So how were you introduced to it and what was the light bulb moment for you around it?

Yeah, I think it was actually in 2016. I first heard about it and I was really interested in it because I was having bad anxiety. I think even at that time I was still on an anti anxiety medication. I could have possibly still been on antidepressants, although at that point I think I weaned off of them. But in the beginning I just wanted.

By the way, if you're on an anti anxiety, a painkiller and antidepressant, if you start thinking, if you really think about that, you're not even yourself anymore.

No, I, I just wasn't. I was just. I was operating out of fear, you know, and I was operating. My dopamine levels were off, you know, a lot of it. I'm, I've always been a great actor, you know, so I, I hid this from a lot of people. I would quietly suffer and then I had an outlet of fighting, you know, so my close friends and family kind of knew. But I was always really struggling. But you're exactly right.

So you heard about it in 2016 and you, you wanted it for anxiety. That was Your initial thought?

Yeah, I wanted for anxiety. And to be honest, the first time I took it, I didn't enjoy it. And I don't know if it was the brand I took. I don't know if it was the taste like you said in the beginning, like people weren't getting down, tastes like dirt. And I was never a smoker, so I actually don't enjoy thc. Not, not to humanize it either. I think it has its place but you know, I didn't enjoy it. Plus I was getting drug tested, you know, getting drug tested randomly before these fights. So I didn't want to mess with that. So the fact that I found out it was non psychoactive, I could pass a drug test, I wasn't going to get high. And it had these other benefits intrigued me and it started helping with anxiety. And whether it was placebo or not, I didn't care. I didn't know until I did my research and found out, you know, how it wasn't placebo, it was actually really, really affecting our endocannabinoid system and, and my anxiety as a result. But, and I started weaning off the anti anxiety. You know, I was having full blown panic attacks and I think it was because all my hormones were so messed up and you know, I was going through everything I mentioned, but it was through that process I started really taking it and learning about it and loving it and you know, I kept winning and winning with my fight and so I just stayed on it.

So, okay, for people listening that are like they don't know or they're new to this, why is there a bad rap about cbd? Why do people think that that is. Because it's. Explain that you're going to do a way better job than I can.

Yeah, well, I mean, first of all, cannabis in general gets a bad rap. I think a lot of all natural plant medicines get a bad rap. And while they need to be regulated more, without a doubt, it really comes down to money. I mean, I don't want to get too conspiracy on here, but at the end of the day, the pharmaceutical industry owns Washington D.C. they own lobbying, you know, and cannabis has been demonized since the 1920s. And it's a plant that is really no toxicity. People aren't overdosing. You find, you know, compared to something like alcohol, which is completely legal, it's pretty insane. Now take cbd, right, which is non psychoactive, which means it doesn't affect your.

Brain, it doesn't affect how you're, you're not seeing things. You're not thinking things, you're not, you don't feel the drug effect.

Correct. So when I say non psychoactive, just like you said, you're not hallucinating, you're not high. You know, it has more physical benefits and obviously it affects the nervous system and will calm you down, but it won't be high like, like you're smoking or like you ingested thc. But that's really why it gets a bad rap. And I think that now things are finally changing. You're seeing that cannabis starting to be legalized. Hemp, which is what we derive from, is starting to get legalized. Hemp is very high in CBD and low in thc. In fact, all of our products have zero thc. So we extract all anything that would get someone high out of that. But that's really why it gets a bad rap. But people are starting to learn that there's other alternatives. And you know, the pharmaceutical, pharmaceutical industry is scared to death that something that grows from planet Earth can help people get off these things. You know, from hemp to mushrooms to all these different incredible plant medicines.

So CBD oil and CBD in general has been life changing to me too. So I, I, it's one of those few things that I, when people say what talks about supplements? I love, I think supplements have a place in addition to healthy eating, nutrition, movement, always. But this is one of like five things that I'm like, nope, everybody needs to experience this because it's so different. And now granted, if you have no anxiety, no depression, no pain, you're just living life large and you are amazing, then you might not need it. But most people have something going on. And I, and I do find that CBD oil is like, it takes the edge off of everything. That's the way I'll describe it. So if your mind's going like crazy and you have cbd, it just takes that edge off, it kind of calms it. If you can't sleep, it just sort of calms it. If you've got pain, it sort of calms it. It's like a little bit of a muter, it mutes things. That's my experience of it. Maybe you have a different way to explain it.

No, I think that's a great way to explain it. And I like that you had mentioned, you know, for you it's one of five things. For instance, I always say this because it'd be disingenuous if I said differently. It's not like I take CBD and all my problems Go away. It's a piece of the puzzle. A very big piece of the puzzle for me personally. But every single human being is different. Right. What all human beings do have is an endocannabinoid system. And what CBD is doing and other cannabinoids in the plant is affecting those receptors. And it is putting our nervous system into homeostasis. So what does that all mean? Essentially, it's. It's getting you back to that homeostasis that. That center that you need to be in. And that's exactly what, as a result, is. What you just described is how people feel when they're on it. So it's just another phenomenal tool that people can use and try. And once, once again, here's what's so important about this. It's low risk, high reward, because there's no toxicity to this. There's been studies done on liver toxicity of cbd. You can't even say the same thing about Tylenol or ibuprofen. You could walk into CVS today, go take an entire bottle and kill yourself.

Yes, yes. Super hard on liver, kidneys, all of it. Yeah.

So it's like, what are we talking about here? You know? And so that's why I get so passionate about it. Because I'm like, anytime that there's something that I find that's low risk, high reward like this, everybody needs to know about it. Because even if maybe he's not fit fit for them, at least they now.

Know, honestly, I put CBD on the level of caffeine for people. This is going to sound funny, but, like, caffeine has become so accepted to help people ramp, unmute, you know, like, go the other way. Like, ramp up, get more. CBD, to me is like the opposite in a way. Like. And I don't understand why it doesn't. It doesn't get as much positive attention. Is like, caffeine. Caffeine is everywhere. Like, it's everywhere. CBD should be equally everywhere. Instead of at night at a restaurant when they're like, do you want a cappuccino? It should be, Would you like some CBD gummies? Like, to me, you're winding down, right? Like, I just. It just. It makes logical sense to me.

And you're finding that, especially in Europe and in Canada, you're finding that this is becoming kind of the norm now, too. And that's really cool you said that. Because I think that one thing that's great to do with caffeine, if you do love caffeine, I mean, I Drink coffee. It's unfortunately, it's obviously very highly addictive. But what CBD does is it kind of calms you down. So, for instance, we have kind of.

Like L Theanine would do with caffeine.

Amen. I was just going to say L. Theanine. We have products that have cbd, L Theanine, and also have green tea caffeine in it. So that if you want to be up and be focused. And it has a lot of other adaptogens and nootropics, but it kind of like takes the edge off because we all know if you have too much coffee, you're sitting there shaking. And so. Yeah, great point.

Okay, so why did you decide to create a company? Because that's a whole nother another level. Because now you went from, okay, I get it. It's helping me. I'm going to tell people. You could have just bought it. You could have been an affiliate for someone else's cbd. All the things. Why did you take on developing a whole entire company, especially a controversial one that you can't even sell at all the places or run ads to it or any of the things. Talk to us about that.

Yeah. So once again, the pain was a gift. One of these belts behind me, I guess, for anybody who's watching. I fought for a title on national TV in my hometown Chicago. Big homecoming fight. In the second round of that fight, I broke my rib. I got hit with a shot. My rib cracked and the tendon on it detached. I went eight more rounds with a broken rib. To this day, I don't know how. All I can say is adrenaline is probably one of the most incredible things ever. I remember doing the interview with Teddy Atlas in the ring, and then we walked back to the dressing room, and I was in so much pain, the adrenaline wore off that I basically collapsed, and they rushed me to the hospital. I was in the hospital till 4am Broken rib. And anybody who's had a broken rib knows there's not much you can do. You know, when I injured my hand, I could still run, I could still train. So I was out for almost six months. So that timing was just serendipitous. It was my 20th fight, I think, and that got me third in the world. And then I knew there were title fights, but I had all this time off, and instead of sitting there and just being depressed about what was going on and getting back on the painkillers, I was like, you know what? Maybe this is an awesome time for me and Angie just to kind of Spread the word. Like, we honestly started this business not as we want to make this much money or we want it to be this big. I was like, you know what? Let's just spread the word. We love CBD so much. It's been incredible for me. It's helped me with this broken rib. So we threw up a website, we ordered some product from, like, one of the best hemp producers in the world. And I was sitting there in one of her guest bedrooms literally labeling product till 2am I love that running to USPS. And I remember the first day we had our first order that wasn't a family or a friend. Yeah, we were super excited. And fast forward now we've got over 16 employees and wow, it's become a big company almost four years later. But it really started with that. It started with me breaking my rib and me having off time and then me wanting to help other people get out of pain and just thinking it'd be a little side hustle for fun.

You know, it's funny, I feel like every successful product company that I know of, the ones that are truly successful, they come from a genuine story of the founder, like a genuine solution that they figured out from themselves. I mean, I think of our friend Drew and Organifi the same thing. Like, juice was kind of his answer. And then he. So when I think when people try to dive in and do a product just for the money of it, like, oh, I should do this because it's a money maker. It does not work if you've got a legitimate story and reason that they tend to take off. And I'm imagining maybe I just answered my own question to you, but the reason you were able to deal with the legal or the what people say they don't like about it is because you just were so passionate about it.

Yeah. I mean, it reminds me, like, if your why is big enough, you can find any way how, Right. I didn't invent that quote. I'm not taking credit for it, but I've lived my life that way. I mean, broken rib fighting in front of thousands of people. My why always has to be big. And my why was big with my career. It got me through so much pain. And my why is really big right now of spreading a message and helping people get out of pain in natural ways or helping people with sleep anxiety, anything. So I think our company started from that why. My sister and I just having a big why. And yeah, I think that's a beautiful thing.

So I'm going to throw that question Back to listeners. My question to listeners right now is if you are dealing with pain or anxiety or depression or any of the things that he listed, why would you not try cbd? It's from nature. It's less expensive than pharmaceuticals. There's no risk. I'm always curious why people say no to trying it. I mean, aside from your company and just saying like this brand or whatever it is, why do people say no to it?

Well, I think there's a lot of stigma around it. You know, people are confused and really we're about educating people. So rightfully so. Even when I first learned about this in 2016, I didn't know the difference between different cannabinoids. You know, for instance, there's a cannabinoid CBN that is non psychoactive, will not get you high, that we put in our sleep gummies that are phenomenal. So my point is there's so much education to be had and so people just don't know. And to be honest, because of the pharmaceutical industry kind of running the show with western medicine, when people go to doctors that they trust and it's not once again demonizing doctors, they're just doing the best. But if you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. So people aren't just getting the right information from people they should trust and know. There's obviously a lot of functional medicine doctors that are doing great stuff and promoting CBD and natural solutions, but it's really a lack of education. I would say that's it. So people need to know that and trust a brand. And once again, there's a lot of bad actors in this space too. There needs to be more regulation, but you need a brand that's doing the proper testing, that's showing test results, that's using organically sourced hemp, that's going through the breast GMP practices. And it's tough to know who's doing that.

I do. And one thing I love about your product, I'm going to talk about that in a minute more, but that the taste and the smell and all those things are on point. And just kind of a funny story about that I was getting. I have a girl that I get massages from and she was making her own CBD oil. And I love using CBD oil during massages because it just helps you like drop in even better. Like it doesn't take long to drop in. It just sort of you get in your skin and it drops in. But anyways, she had done a massage for me and I had somebody staying at my house. And the next day, the girl staying at my house was like, I smell marijuana. I'm like, I have no idea. Like, I didn't even put it together. I'm like, I don't smell anything. She's like, are you sure? And I'm like, no, no, it wasn't me. So then a week later, get a massage again. And I'm at a church service the next night and somebody next to me is like, I smell marijuana. I'm like, never occurred to me that it was me. Anyway, so the stuff she was making had this like strong marijuana smell. So I was walking around like this total. People thought I was lying. I'm sure it's just kind of California. Yes, California fit in. But anyways, you want to be careful about that. So what I love about your stuff is at Soul CBD is that it actually tastes and smells good. In fact, they have a gummy. It's like. And you have to be careful because you're only supposed to have like one or two gummies. And it's tempting to eat the whole jar because it tastes like a gummy bear with sugar gumdrop. But. But you, you really all. You nailed the taste and smell of this. How did you do that?

Thank you. I mean, so much. R and D, one of the most difficult things is to find something that's efficacious but also tastes good. And so for us, having gummies and having products that taste good, like our oil droppers, is so much work with our R and D team, with our doctors, our scientists. But we're super proud of that. Something we hang our hat on that we have the best tasting CBD out there and whether peppermint, watermelon, mint, you know, and for us, like a lot of our audience is one on one. You know, they. They don't know yet and they don't want exactly the experience that you described. So for us, it helps us kind of bring. Demystify it and stigmatize it and kind of bring it down to a base level.

Okay, so everyone trusts me right now. And you have to go. You can go to their site and you can put the coupon Natalie Jill, that's. You'll get a discount. Or you can go to. I'm going to. I'm going to actually have a link that has a lot more information and some different products, but you go to NatalieJo Fitness.com CBD just the letter CBD. I'm going to share all of this in there, but just trust me. I actually, I command everyone. Go order A jar of their gummies. Oh, my gosh. You're going to thank me. It's going to be like your little sweet thing that you have every night. Don't message me that. It has sugar in it. I know it has sugar in it. You're having one, like, think of, like, one gumdrop. One gumdrop. We can manage it. And you're going to have the best sleep. You're going to feel amazing, and you're going to go, why did I not get this in my life sooner? It's. It's a must.

That's it. I mean, our sleep gummies are incredible. We have a bunch of other ingredients in there. And the gummies, yes, they'll have a little bit of sugar. It's three grams of sugar. But we minimize that as much as possible. And if you don't want that or want a gummy, then we have oil tinctures that are just MCT and C.

Don't take away my sugar, Mike. I like the gummy.

All right. There you go. Let's stick with it.

Yeah. There is oil that you can put under your tongue, but it's like. So if you do have that, like, I want just a little something sweet. It's just perfect to have like a eight gummy or two or three.

They're the best. I'm super proud of them.

Don't have three.

I get to do all the taste testing. So it's.

Oh, that's a fun job. How do we sign up for that job?

Well, it's funny you say that. We're actually about to roll out a program where we're gonna have maybe, I think our top 20 to 30, like, affiliates. Help us with this taste testing process.

Yes.

It's a lot with rna.

I'm signing up for that.

You're in.

How do we. How do we. How do you make those gummies without CBD too? So we can have extra. When you want to eat, like, the whole jar and you can't. Yeah, I mean, you'll be super zen. You need the non gummy, too, to go with the gummies. So if you're. If you've already had your one or two CBD gummies and you're feeling good, and now you're like, I just want more gummies. Yeah, I like bonus gummies.

We're gonna throw you on our next marketing call for sure.

CBD zero. Our soul. CBD zero.

Yeah, there you go.

No cbd. I love it. This is super helpful. I loved hearing about your journey. I love what you stand for, by the way, I don't talk about companies or products if I don't love their owners and founders. And Angie is one of my close friends. I love Angie and Mike, brother and sister. And I love supporting businesses and companies that truly stand behind their products and created it out of their own need. Like, they get it. It's something that they actually believe in and use and do. So full supporter over here. So thank you for sharing your story with us today.

Mike, thank you for having me on. I appreciate it.