Hack your Health: The Secrets of Your Gut Review with The Gut Genie aka Laura Frontiero

All right, I'm recording on Midlife conversations right now with the Gut Genie, and she's back for the umpteenth time. And the reason is, I don't know exactly when you're listening to this or when we're going to air it yet at the time of this recording, but right now, it's a Saturday morning. I was about to go work out, and I. I don't know if it was a mistake or it was meant to be. I sent Laura the Gut Genie, a link to the new Netflix movie Hack your Health. The. The store. What is it called? The secrets of your gut. The secrets of your Gut. I sent it to her. I'm like, oh, I watched this really cute movie last night. I like how they explain the Gut. They were doing it with stuffed animals, they were doing it with cartoons. They're speaking my language. I think they did a good job. I sent it to Laura, AKA the Gut Genie, and she proceeded to leave me not one, not two, but like, 18 fired up voice notes.

So.

So I said, okay, stop with the voice notes, Laura. We're gonna get on a podcast right now and discuss this because this is gold and I think people need. So welcome back for the umpteenth time, the Great Genie, Laura.

Thank you. Okay, so let me just. Let me just share with our audience what happened to me this morning because of you. So I'm sitting in bed, drinking my perfect cup of black coffee, going to enjoy my Saturday morning while I get ready to prep for a conference that I'm speaking at next week. And you. I get this text from you that says, look at this documentary. And I'm like, well, okay, I'll. I'll open it and see what it is. Which precedes me down a wormhole of watching this thing for an hour and 15 minutes. And at first I thought, oh, this is good. They did a really good job on this. And about halfway through the movie is when I started to text you. Angry. Like, angry text. And so we can unpack this and talk about it. There is a lot right with this documentary. There is a lot wrong with this documentary.

So this is like a announcement today. This is a public service announcement, because a lot of you are going to watch the movie and think it's cute like I did. So let's start with what they did right, Because I love, love, love that it's even being talked about now. Gut Health. Because as you know, with my whole journey with this, this is like the missing link. You know, one of the girls that works with Me, she said, you know, I don't know what to say because you do everything right, Natalie. Like you eat right, you work out, you drink, you do all the right things and you had a gut health problem. So what does that say for the rest of us? So I love that gut health is being talked about now more. And I love that the movie used cute little cartoons and they made it like appealing and they made the M biome like a fun, special place we want to go on vacation to. So I like that part they did.

So the first, like, I would say 25 or 30 minutes of the movie is really good education, easy to understand. I loved the way they did it. In fact, those little like felt cartoons, I've seen those on Instagram, I actually follow that.

Bought them on Amazon, I think.

I like those things count for the, like the little animation. It's so good. But so they explain, you know, what the gut microbiome does, why it's important, how it's connected to your brain. I love, loved that part. I loved how it explained if you don't feed your gut the right thing, your gut will start eating your body, right? It'll start eating the mucus layer and create this leaky gut and the ability for undigested food. Toxins. You know, every. Actually they never said the word toxin once. I know, allows toxins to go through, create, you know, all kinds of inflammation, autoimmune diseases, chronic health conditions. So they did a good job of explaining your gut is important. Right. And I feel like most of America, obviously, this is Netflix. This is geared towards. It's came, it's come out. It was actually produced by a company in Ireland, I think, but it's geared towards Americans. Totally. I mean, all, most of the people they followed in the documentary are American. And so I think Americans in general, it's important to hear that it's important to know what we eat matters. But there's so much wrong with this because, Natalie, you and I both work with, with middle aged women who eat right and they exercise and they do things right and they still feel like crap. And this, this documentary really makes people feel like, oh, I just need to eat 80 vegetables a week and I'm going to get better.

And we know that's the case. That's not the case. And I could assure you I probably do eat 80 vegetables and I still had a problem. Okay, let's, let's unpack this. So let's start with. I'm going to start with the first thing you texted me because this was halfway through the movie and you said, of all the things to microdose, why are they microdosing potato chips? And I thought that was hysterical because I didn't even. That did not fire me up. But it really fired you up. So let's talk about that part first.

Really fired me up. So they follow this lovely Michelin star chef from San Francisco. She is obviously capable of resourcing any food she wants on the planet. Right. She works in a Michelin star restaurant. She has access to all healthy things. And she also has disordered eating, which they said.

She said she was recovering anorexic and that she now has orthorexia. So she's obsession with healthy eating.

Yes. And so they talk about her microbiome and what's in it. And she talks to some professors and scientists at UCSD San Diego, which is right in my backyard. It's one of the, it's one of the largest research centers in the planet, on the planet for the gut microbiome. And so she's talking to these researchers and they just took this one clip, I'm sure, like they, they spent an hour with her, right? And they take this one clip where they say, you know, you could just start micro dosing potato chips until you can tolerate eating a full serving. And I'm like, what of all the things, why are they telling her to microdose potato chips? Because the, the message that's being sent to Americans watching this is that potato chips are okay. You just need to get your body used to them by pulling back and just eating one to three potato chips a day. A day until you can tolerate a full serving. And I just thought, that is such a high level of irresponsibility. And then it got me thinking, like, Laura, who's actually producing this thing, just follow the money trail. Where did the money come in to make this documentary? And I haven't done that full research yet. I, I figured out one avenue. I know one of the, of the companies that was involved in producing this, and you know, people can go do their own research here, but I would say just, there is no way, no how that a documentary geared towards helping people heal would say microdose potato chips until you can eat a full dose.

So, okay, so number one, do not microdose potato chips. That's not gonna heal you right now. So that's not, that's not the step. The other thing, just let me say.

Natalie, do I eat potato chips? Yes, I do, from time to time. I like the Boulder Canyon cooked in avocado. Oil potato chips. When I want a crunchy potato chip, that's the one I'm gonna get. But it's not a normal part of my diet.

No. And you would never say, I'm going to microdose my potato chips. That would not be one of the things you've microdosed. Let's talk about the actual test they were doing and the problems with that.

Yeah. So part way through the documentary, they start showing people doing a microbiome test. So I looked this up, and this is basically a test of what your bacteria counts are. Now, you and I have done a lot of podcasts and a lot of master classes and taught a lot of people that there's way more to gut testing than just looking. Looking at what are the bacteria counts. Do you. Are you missing certain bacteria, or do you have overgrowth of certain bacteria? When we do a gut test, from a, you know, a functional medicine perspective, we know we can change your microbe colonies and your growth of bacteria within 24 hours. And they say that on the. On the documentary, like, we could give you a healthy meal, and we can change your profile of your bacteria in 24 hours. The most important part of the gut test is actually not what bacteria are living in you, in my opinion, because we can change that in 24 hours. It's, what are your digestive markers? What is your inflammation? What is going on with your immune system? What are your inflammatory markers? What are the pathogens? The. The micro. The. The pathogenic bacteria and. And parasites that should never be there. What's your fungus candida count? There's so much more to a gut test, and this test that they're showing doesn't offer any of that. It's L type of tests. I jokingly say they're like Trivial Pursuit tests. You. It's. It's like, interesting information to have at a dinner conversation. Right? Like, I have no provotella. That's the reason I can't lose weight. Like, no, it's so much more than that. People who can't lose weight, we may see patterns of low profitella, but I promise you, there's a lot more to the picture than just replacing that bacteria.

Yeah. Okay, so that was another one of the 718 messages that you left that you left me. No, the other thing that bothered you was the eating of the poop capsules. You're like, I almost gagged. What are they doing? And what if people think that this is real and they should go do this?

I mean, people do wacky stuff. Okay. So they.

And for people that didn't watch this yet, like, explain what you saw.

Yeah. Okay. So there is this whole researched treatment of feal transplant. So taking one person's poop and transpiling it into another person's body to help solve health problems. There's only one condition that this is FDA approved for, and it's for the treatment of C. Difficile, a really terrible bacteria that causes chronic bacteria and just ruins people's lives. So that is the one. FDA approval for fecal transplant. In the movie they show, one of the people that they follow is this graduate student, right? She's a PhD student, and she's got some major, you know, health things going on. And so she's taking her brother's poop, putting it in a blender, mixing it up with water, and then putting it into capsules and freezing it and then eating those. And then she does the same with her boyfriend's.

That's disgusting poop.

And I'm sitting here going, no, you.

Will get E. Coli.

You will.

You could die.

This is not parasites. You could, like, do not just go to your. So. So here's the thing. I. Here's what I fear will happen. So two friends, two good friends, best friends. One's obese, one's skinny. Obese friend says, clearly you've got good bacteria that help you stay skinny. Can you give me some of your poop?

Can I eat your poop?

Yeah, because I'm desperate to lose weight. Because Americans will do stuff like this, right? They will. They will. There is so much wrong with this. Like, you realize that when. When people do a fecal transplant, that stool is tested for all kinds of other pathogens. We got to make sure we're not introducing something dangerous and harmful. Like, I would never just go to Natalie and say, you know what? You've got ripped abs and you're really good at. Like, I would like some of what you're having. Can I have some of your poop? Hell no.

I would say people are not this dumb, but they are. That's the problem.

People do that. Okay, so let's talk about that. So people are so desperate. And, I mean, we're gonna make people mad for saying people are dumb. So let's just. I didn't.

We didn't say all people are dumb, but people are. You are even considering making a poop capsule from this movie, you fall into the catego story of maybe not so smart. I'm just saying.

Or very risky. But people are so desperate to lose weight. Nadalie that they'll take, you know, drugs that absolutely destroy their body, like Ozempic, for example, destroy your gut microbiome. All in the desperation of losing weight. And people go through risky surgeries. They all. So people will do stuff like this. I guarantee it. And they just, they just glossed over it like it's normal. There was no. They should have put like a caution. Do not try this at home. Not a good idea. Like, oh my gosh. Showed how to do it. They literally showed the whole process. I could go do that in my kitchen right now. Please don't. I'm clear. I could take your poop and eat it right now. I know how to do it now.

Please don't do that. Okay, So I didn't even watch the. I watched most of the movie and then I fell asleep and then I sent you. So I didn't even watch that part. But now that's kind of freaky. Okay. And then also the other thing you pointed out that they didn't actually have a true specimen of the, the people in the movie that are dealing with this stuff because, like, they miss the whole midlife area.

Oh, they miss so much. So they follow four people. So they follow this Michelin star chef. They follow a professional eater.

Hot dog eater.

He's a professional hot dog eater from Japan. Good thing I've seen him on Instagram where he's a. He's a. He's a professional.

It's like 100 hot dogs in a contest eater.

They follow this grad student or PhD student who was eating, you know, her boyfriend's poop. And then they, they follow like a middle America single mother of three children who is struggling with obesity. Not in. So they were all Approximately in their 30s. Everyone who was in this documentary. Nowhere was the menopausal woman, you know, age 50 to 65, dealing with chronic fatigue, low energy, brain fogginess, achy joints, migraine headaches, rapid aging, mobility issues, just feeling like they're collecting diagnoses, they're on a couple prescriptions. They didn't follow this group of people that most of America is like the biggest population right now is in that baby boomer and the, and the. And the Gen X. Right. And they didn't follow this group.

No.

And I feel like this was also really irresponsible of them because people are going to watch this who have chronic health conditions and feel like, oh, I can just resolve this by making a smoothie with 80 vegetables. We can talk about that too. I'm pissed off. About.

Let's talk about that. And I'm gonna talk about the vaginal delivery thing, because I had a whole thing on that one. But yeah, okay, what about the 80. The smoothie with the 80 vegetables?

Oh, my gosh. Can I just complain about this movie?

Let's, let's go.

They do so. So they have this scientist who's like showing this big, you know, map of the microbiome of this guy who's eating a smoothie every day with, I don't know, he had like 80 different pro. He's eating 80 vegetables a week. Right. And he's putting it all in a smoothie. So it's raw. The problem with this is if you had dysregulated, disrupted, imbalanced gut microbiome and you start eating raw vegetables like that, you are going to feel like crap.

That's right.

That is the last. Yes. Vegetables and fruits are important to get healthy strains of bacteria into the body. But if I did that to my clients, they would give me the finger and run. They'd be like, your protocols don't work. You're making me feel like crap. Because it creates, like your body can't handle all of that raw fiber to be able to digest it.

Especially when you haven't been doing that and working up. That's what they should have microdosed.

No. And so when we're. When I'm working with people, I'm recommending that you. That you eat, you know, soups. Take those vegetables, put it in a soup and blend it, cook it, break it down and make it easier, Cook it. Eat slow roasted vegetables from the oven, eat stews, braises, soups, things like that. Stay away from raw foods. And then, I mean, there was just so much wrong with it. You just would.

She's saying initially, by the way, she's not. She is a fan of raw food. She's just saying if you're dealing with navigating these issues, like piling in 80 fruits and vegetables is not the solution.

And also if you have food sensitivities where oxalates, lectins, all these things create sensitivity in you. Just. Okay, just dump a load of that in the blender and put it in your body. You're going to feel like crap.

Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

This was like.

This is one of her 18 messages to me, y'.

All.

This is hysterical. Okay, so talk to me about what? What can go. What else did. Are they. Do they miss from this? Like, what do people need to know? Because this is like, this is your Life's work and I've learned so much from you.

But what do you want people that.

Are hearing about this for the first time or they're like, okay, I'm, I'm starting to understand that the gut biome is important. What do they actually need to know and do?

Yeah, so hear me. Food is important. Eating healthy is important. Eating unprocessed food is important. Which they completely missed the mark when they told somebody to microdose potato chips. So they just lost me there. But eating real food is important. So hear me on this. The overwhelming majority of people that I work with and that Natalie works with eat really healthy, yet they still feel bad. So I always say, you cannot eat your way out of this. If you could, you would have already and you wouldn't be coming to us to get support. And so what's really missing in this documentary is the underneath. What is the root of the root of the problem? Why is the microbiome dysregulated? They kind of touched on how Americans eat, right? But what they didn't touch on was the tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of toxins were exposed to every day. They didn't touch on the level of trauma and stress that people have in their lives, which also disrupts the microbiome. They didn't focus on, you know, just the assault in industrialized nations on toxins on our body. So when we get underneath it, there's massive inflammation going on. There's a reason for that. And unless we prep the body to release these things and do a little bit of pre work before we jump right into a big, huge gut restoring protocol, you are going to get feel more sick. I would say if I had to guess, if we took just 100 people and said, just do exactly what this documentary told you to do, I, I could estimate 80 to 90% of people would not feel any better. And I've got another, like, just inconsistency in this documentary to point out. You're probably going to ask me, but it has to do with. They never showed anybody with a result, but I'll let you get there.

Yeah, well, I want to talk about that, but I also want to. They oversimplified a few things like they said, which I caught. Like, so they said one of the things they talked about was being born vaginally and how that you are exposed to your mother's gut biome. So C section, you're at risk for not having that. Well, that does not mean you don't have gut problems because you were born Vaginally. And I feel like that was oversimplified. I know I came out that way and I still had issues because what they didn't talk about was the 30 antibiotics we've been given in our. In 30 decades, you know, in 30 years. And all of those things that destroy. They did mention antibiotics briefly, but not the severity.

Totally. So. So to your point, A, vaginal delivered babies can also have microbiome disruptions. B, they didn't talk about antibiotics. But even bigger category than that, I would say is they didn't talk about the overuse and abuse of acid reducers. One of the worst things that ever happened in the United States was when they took proton pump inhibitors and made them over the counter. So now people pop them like candy for heartburn. So I'm talking, you explain, explain that.

What happens when you do that, because I don't think people get that right.

So when you take these acid reducers over the counter and you feel like it's safe because it's over the counter. If it's over the counter, it's just like carte blanche. Take whatever you want and use it. When you take those, you actually shut off your own acid pumps in your body. Your hydrochloric acid, that is number one line of defense against microbes that you're ingesting. And it also is the pre digestion of your food before it hits the small intestine where your body then further breaks food down and absorbs it into the bloodstream. So by shutting off the acid pumps, you're actually making it very difficult for your body to extract the nutrients from the food. So you could eat everything perfect. And if you had, you know, a couple of years of taking acid reducers, you maybe dysregulated or shut off your own ability to create hydrochloric acid. So that's one of the things that we work on in our program is to help build that back. And so the digestive enzymes, the hydrochloric acid, the this bile support from the liver. I mean there's so much that needs to happen here. But they really missed the mark on talking about all the things like even you guys, even just the overuse of hypertension and cholesterol medications when a lot of times people could solve this with lifestyle changes and instead they're getting on drugs to solve the problem. And these drugs create nutrient deficiencies and dysregulate the, by the microbiome as well. So there's just so much missing in this document.

There's so many things Missing from that. And then they didn't talk about the solution, like, the results there.

No. Okay. So I noticed this, like, so here I am. You're like, laura, we need to get on and talk about this. And I'm sitting here, I'm like, okay.

But Natalie, because my. The 18 voice notes was making up a whole podcast, and I was like, I don't know how to put this on the air.

So I'm sitting here. So Natalie goes, well, go get dressed. And so as I'm getting dressed and I'm putting on my. Okay, I gotta get film ready here. So I'm putting on makeup, and I'm sitting here, like, doing my eye makeup, and I'm thinking, oh, my gosh. I just thought of one more thing that this documentary missed. They never, ever showed any of the people they followed. None of them had a win. None of them had a resolution. And I'm willing to bet it's because none of them did. So.

Wow.

The one thing that they gave a nod to, they showed the woman with the disordered eating, the Michelin star chef. They showed her sitting down at the end eating a plate of coffee pasta, of all things, with her husband and saying, I'm hopeful that I can eat a plate of pasta without having to starve myself. The next day. She didn't say, I'm now able to eat regular food and not have problems the next day. The obese woman, they. She never had a story of losing a single pound. I promise you, if she had had a success like that, they would have highlighted. They would put it in the documentary. The woman who was eating her boyfriend and her brother's poop, she never had.

A win, but now she's gonna get E. Coli or something else.

Yeah. And the. The overeater. So then they. They followed the Japanese content. Hot dog guy. Yeah, hot dog guy. His problem was that he had dysregulated satiety. His brain didn't tell him when he was hungry or when he was full. And he also had no normal cravings. He. It's like food just didn't matter to him anymore. And so he decided from the documentary that he was going to stop that profession, which is probably healthy for him in the long run, improving his lifespan by quitting being a hot dog contest eater. But what they never did was say, we circled back with him and he now has normal cravings and he feels satiety. Like, nobody had a win in the entire documentary. I mean, this cannot be ignored, Natalie.

No.

Okay, so what happens. What happens when People go through my programs. They win.

Right and left, they all win.

All the things get better because we're not just focusing on. We're going to eat your way out of this because I'm sorry. And I take bullets for this, right? Like, people shoot arrows at me all the time. Like, I can't believe you're standing up there saying the food isn't important. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying, good luck eating your way out of this because there's way more to this.

No, just real stories to talk about me and my husband here. My diet is pretty darn close to perfect. I mean, I'm certainly not perfect at it, but it's pretty darn close to perfect. It has been for years. And when I started having my. My challenges, I buttoned it up even more. It was like I went crazy on everything and my gut was still a wreck. It was a wreck until I started, like, understanding this and like, really taking on your protocols. So much so y', all, that I stopped selling my programs while I was doing this for myself. And then I revised my programs after including what Laura teaches, adding her in as an expert because this is like, so critical. And then you take my husband, who does not eat perfect at all. I mean, he still, till this day, Laura will have a Skippy peanut butter and jelly sandwich for lunch. He will eat. Eat potato chips. He will drink Diet Coke. He has Cheerios for breakfast every morning. My husband is ripped with a freaking six pack. And we can't not, we can't make him not. It's like, like he's just one of those anomalies that has this great health. He could sell his poop. He could be one of those people that sells his poop.

And I have my theories about, about him. So in our genetic profile, some people have very strong gut genetics and they have very strong detox genetics. And I have a feeling if we ran a DNA test, that would be him, Brooks. He would have very healthy detox and gut pathways medically, which gives. It's like the same age old story. We've all had a friend who like, abuses her body, eats like crap. Like this tiny little skinny thing that never has to worry, right? What she eats. They all ex. They exist, right?

That exists.

Unicorns exist. Most of us.

That's not the case.

Be a little more.

But here's the thing. Like, I was talking with a girl on my team this morning, and she said, you know, she mentioned, she's like, you know, Natalie, you are, you are like this epitome of health, if you had problems and I feel like, how can any of us fix it? And I said, well, hold on. I also, I could probably say in my 52 years on this planet, I probably had 30 courses of antibiotics at least, at least over the years as a kid, as all the things that's destroying your gut. I also had breast implants which were ruptured and leaking. I also lived in black mold. I also had amalgam fillings. There's so much toxic load that comes in that helps disrupt it. I definitely have not led a stress free life. So there's a lot of things that go. So this is important for everyone. So what I liked about the film is it brought awareness. It brought awareness that this is something. What I dislike and I unfortunately dislike about a lot of the show was on that network in general is they get very biased towards one thing for an agenda. So like what we always say is follow the money. Like where is this? Who was funding this film?

Exactly, exactly. I mean, there's people in this film who are doing good work. Don't get me wrong. They've got, they've got researchers from UCSD here, they've got some of the top scientists, you know, exploring the gut microbiome. But I will tell you this, those researchers, they don't deal with real patients. They get samples of poop from all over the place and they look and study what's happening in this poop. They are not in the trenches with the midlife woman who says, you know, sobbing, I've tried everything and things are getting worse. What do I do? They have no idea how to build a protocol to help people win. They're just research. They literally live in a lab researching gut bugs, but they don't know how to help people. That's a different, that takes a whole different strategy. So this is really important. I mean, for what it's worth, you know, it's gonna help open the eyes. And if anybody starts eating better in, in America, who, who, who eats all processed food? I mean, just the scene about the single mother cooking with her children and the child says, mom, is this where corn comes from? Is this what real corn looks like? They'd never seen it before because they only ate it out of a bag. And so, I mean, that was just, just, you know, my heart totally for this family. Like, oh my gosh, it's so amazing. This family is going to be healthier because they're learning about food. Yes, there are people in this country that need that level of baby steps. The majority of people that we know need something way more than that.

Well, I, I do like that they put this out there for the reason of just getting it more mainstream attention about gut health, because there's still people that think that's pseudoscience. They, they're like, oh God, health is pseudoscience. So I like that part of it. I don't like how they, how they wrapped it up. They could have done a better job with this. There could have been. Have been more responsible there. I want, I wanted to get you on because you were so fired up. We got to get Laura's.

Still am. I have not simmered down like I'm hot about.

I know. So those of you who have listened to me and Laura before, there's many times we've done live masterclasses where we go deeper, especially about parasites. That's like a whole other topic that we've gone deep on at the time of this. Right now, we do not have a masterclass lined up. But if you do want to learn more about what Laura tests for, what her team does, what they help with, you can go to midlife conversations.com forward/gut. I'll always forward that to something that she's got going on or if we have a joint class going on, midlife conversations.com forward slash guts. But whether you do that or not, what I want. What do you want people to know? Like, what do you want them to walk away with? What's important for them to understand and know and do?

I think what's. Well, first off, I would say anything you're watching on mainstream TV and Netflix's mainstream tv, everyone, I would always take it with a grain of salt, say there's something here to learn and there's a lot here to be aware of. So always, unless it's a privately, you know, produced documentary that you can't see on mainstream tv, there's going to be lacking. I mean, they do a good job of drawing you in with scientists and researchers, right?

Sure.

So first thing I would say is beware anything you're seeing out there in mainstream. The second thing I would say is if you've been struggling with low energy brain fog, with joint pain, with migraines, with rapid aging, with skin issues, with autoimmune conditions, you know, any of this, then I would highly recommend that you find a real functional practitioner somewhere to, to really support you. And actually, if you're thinking of running gut tests, actually, if you're going to do something like that, make sure you're doing one that actually shows what are your inflammatory markers, what are your immune markers, what are your digestive markers, what's going on with parasites and fungus. It's not going to help you just to know the mix of bacteria in your gut, because like I said, you can. You can change that mix with. With 24 hours of eating healthy.

Totally.

So, yeah. So I think that's the message. Another message I want to say is of hope. Right. Like, we see all the time just massive transformation in the people that Nadalie and I have supported and work with in our communities. And so I always say, like, there is a way out of this. There are 100 is. Your body is intelligent, it can heal. We just got to figure out what buttons and levers to push so tests don't guess right. Like, figure out what is it about you that we need to support. I mean, just go back and listen to all the podcasts Natalie and I have done about this, because we've done.

A million of them.

Yeah, there's a lot there. But I think those would be my messages. A message. A message of beware. A message of hope. Hope. And a message of get support.

Yes. And if you want Laura's support directly, her. She's got a fantastic team. It's. I can't recommend her enough. I'll link that up in the show. Notes midlifeconversations.com forward slash, gut. But whether you go work with her or not, take what she said. We also have so many podcasts we've done on this topic. If you go back through, I don't even know how many we've done, probably.

Oh, it's our fifth.

Okay. So we've done at least that. And. And some classes that you can find, so you can go deeper there. But thank you, Laura, for jumping on on a Saturday and recording this. And you look great, so thank you.

I was literally watching this documentary an hour and a half ago.

Oh, I know. I'll save all your voice messages. They're hysterical. Thank you, Laura.