Menopause Changes in Midlife with Emmy Award Winner Tamsen Fadal

Can't wait for this midlife conversation because I've got Tamson Fadal on today and I have been following her on social media for quite some time. And I love her content, I love what she's sharing, all things menopause. And I thought, I've got to connect with her. I've got to learn more. I wanted to see how this person who was an award winning journalist got so interested in talking about menopause because there's not enough people talking about it yet, Tamsen. There's not a lot. Thank you so much for being here today.

Oh, yeah, thanks so much for having me. I ask myself that question often, too. I'm like, how did I get to talking about menopause? If you'd asked me 10 years ago, I would have thought you were, you know, out of your mind.

Me too.

I appreciate it and I agree with you. More people need to be talking about this.

So where did this come from? Because obviously you were journalists. What were you reporting on, what were you doing and how did this happen?

Yeah, I still am a journalist and it was several years ago. I was in the studio, been having a tough time. You know, my job is to read the teleprompter and to remember things and be able to talk on the fly. And I was having a really tough time with brain fog. I was constantly searching for words, constantly not remembering conversations where I left things. And I was having a tough time when it would come to the teleprompter. I'd see a word cross and I would recognize it. I would know I've seen the word before, but it wouldn't come out of my mouth. And if you've experienced brain fog or you've experienced any of those symptoms, they can really be scary, you know. Yeah. What is really going on? Is it dementia? Is it. What is it that's happening to me right now? And that's where I was. And it was one particular night, it was a Friday night. And I remember it well because we were in a commercial break and I got. And again, if you've had a hot.

Flash, I've had many.

Yeah, it started kind of from the inside. I didn't. I didn't even know what it was. I knew I'd have problems sleeping and some different things with bleeding, but I had never had this. And I had heart palpitations. I had anxiety that came along with it, and then fear of what was happening. And we were about to go live out of the commercial break and I said, if I fall over, somebody catch Me and one of my. One of my fellow anchors said to me, are you okay? I think you should probably get off of the set and, and, you know, go sit down. And he. He wound up walking me in the bathroom. I just kind of collapsed on the floor, just trying to cool down, take my body down. And I remember thinking, what is going on? Like, what is that? Was I going to faint? Was it with food? Was I. What was happening? Right. And I really had to do a deep dive into what was going on. I went to my gynecologist. The word menopause had never been mentioned to me, and that was the disheartening part. Now, as I look back on this. Sure. And in time, I wound up doing blood tests and I wound up realizing that I was actually postmenopausal at that point. And, you know, a lot of people say, well, didn't you. Your period stop? Well, I have endometrium polyps, so that. That means you're bleeding on and off all the time.

Okay.

So I had bleeding. Never really stopped for me. It would stop for a little while, start up again. And I lost my mom at an early age to breast cancer. So that was never a conversation that I had with her. And so, you know, when I. In the middle of it, I decided, well, I guess the only thing I really know how to do is research and, and ask questions. And that's what I did. And that's really how this all started. It was very, you know, they say, like, oh, you know, try to find a problem to solve. And the problem came to me. Yeah, that's. That's really where started.

I love that how that just happened organically from you, because I think there's more and more of us starting to talk about it. But it's. It was such a. It seemed like such a taboo or such a far down the road topic. And I feel like we'd been dismissed for so long about women have been dismissed for so long about menopause and what it actually means. So I can imagine how scary that must have felt. And I've been there too, where you have the sweat and out of nowhere you think, am I having a heart attack? Am I having something horrible happening to me?

What's.

What's going on? And then having other people sort of normalize it. Like we're like, we're making a big deal about it. Like, it's really not a big deal.

People, people just go through it. People, people glide right through it, you know, and it's funny, my best friend, I Had said to her, once I started going down the road, I said, did you. Did you ever have any. Like, why didn't anyone talk to me? And she said, I literally just kind of glided right. It went right through it. And I said, wow, you're one of, you know, very few. So I didn't have a mom talking about it. You know, my grandmother also died when I was younger. I don't have any sisters. And, you know, my best friend really had a good experience in it. And I think you can have a good experience if you know what you're experiencing. And that's the big thing. The big thing is we. We get through a lot of transitions in life. We get through a lot of difficult things. We get through horrible things. When we know what we're dealing with, if we don't know what we're dealing with, that's when it becomes so difficult. And I think that that's where I. I come in. You know, I'm not a doctor. I'm not a. I don't have any kind of degree like that. But what I do have is life experience, and I have the ability to help pass along the information that I've learned, and that's what's important to me.

And you're super relatable to other women. That's. I think that's why people love you. What learned? Like, what did. Going through that process yourself and finally figuring out what it was. What have you learned? Like, what do you want women to know? Because there's a lot of people that still don't know that they are even close to it or in it. And they are in that same place you were going, what the heck is wrong with me?

Yeah, you're so right about that. I have to tell you, I think I want people to know what we know, that it's okay to talk about that, that other people should be sitting here, like you and I are talking about this and having a conversation and not being afraid to use the word menopause or to talk about it or talk about the symptoms. I mean, some of the symptoms are not pretty symptoms. People don't want to admit that they don't have any libido, and they don't want to admit that they've gained weight or that they're not the. You know, they're not feeling like the person that they were 20 years ago. So I think I want that conversation to become more comfortable, and I think that that's what's really important. We made such a big deal out of the fact that there was a commercial on the super bowl, you know, that. That referenced hot flashes. But can you imagine, like, we talk about everything else and that we got excited about because it was a first time for it, which I was so thrilled to see. But how sad is that? That that had to be the first time for it? However, I do like how beautifully placed it was, so it made me feel.

It was great. Okay, I'm gonna. I have a lot more questions about menopause, but I want to ask you just about ageism in general. And what do you see, especially being a journalist, being in a. In that world?

Like, do you.

Is that real to you? Does. Do you see that happening when we're women in that menopausal age? Is that. Does that change things for us there?

Yeah, it's interesting. For years, I spent a long time being really worried about the fact that once I crossed 40, what it was going to mean for me. You often in journalism would see an older man sit a younger woman, and the woman would have a shelf life. There's. That's not. I don't think that's up for debate. I. Anybody that says, like, that's not true, I would go head to head with. Because that is true. That is what happened for a very, very long time.

Yeah.

And. But I'm. See. But I have seen a shift over the past decade or so, and I love it. I love the fact that there are women that are on television, that are in the media that are, you know, heading up big corporations that are this age and they are. They're just beginning in so many ways. So. Yes. Does it exist? Of course it does. Are we seeing a shift? Yes.

Finally, do you think? Now, the other thing that comes up for me is especially being a journalist, because journalists are typically very attractive and pretty, and that starts changing, or it can start changing with age. And then there's this pressure, like, we've got to keep up. We've got to have cosmetic surgery, We've got to have the injections, and then we're judged for that, too. What are your thoughts around all that? Because I think there's so much judging around that. Like, we're trying to look a certain way because we're told youth sells and we got to be. And then we do that and we're told that's wrong. What's your opinion around all that?

You know, I. You can't win. Right. And in so many ways, you can't win. So you. You go on say, like, I'm working really hard. I'm working out. I, I got, you know, I'm trying to keep, you know, looking good and then people criticize that. I've always been really open about the fact that I've done Botox, I've done fillers, I haven't had plastic surgery. But I do do those things. I do those things that make me feel better. If it doesn't make somebody else feel better, it's fine. There are many women I work with and I've worked with throughout the years have decided that not for them. And then there's some that have decided that that was for them at an early age. And I just, I have to say, to each his own. Like, I don't know why we're in anybody else's business. I, what I like to do is I try to share what works for me. So if somebody else wants that information, they feel comfortable receiving it, but it doesn't mean it might. It's going to work for everybody.

You know, I think that explains exactly why people like your social media. You do that a lot. You share exactly what works for you. And it's like, this is what works for me. I'm sharing. And if they want to follow it, great.

Well, back at you. I, I see your audience, the community you've built, and I, and I absolutely love it and I'm excited to be a part of it.

So talk to me a little bit about humor and menopause because I know, I love that. I can tell that you do too. I think we've got to sort of laugh at ourselves.

What are your. Oh, gosh, I just posted one today about brain Fog. You know, I, listen, I, I don't think that all of it's funny for sure, but I do think that you have to, you have to be honest about things. Like if, if we can't laugh at things or we can't, if we can't talk about things, that's the most important thing. If we can't talk about things, then, then what's the point? And I have to be able to talk about that because it feels good for me. And I also think that it lets other people say, hey, me too. I'm dealing with the same thing. Once in a while I just need somebody to say, hey, I get you. Like, I get what's going on. I get the fact that, like, I don't smell like I used to all the time. What in the world, you know, I, I don't use a pretty, you know, the pretty sweet smelling deodorant. I use the thing called pit grit to like, make myself feel better and smell better. That's the truth. And so I. I feel like we have to be able to laugh about those things, because, quite frankly, if not, I'll cry. But I. I do believe that that has made it easier for me to get through. I feel like I've gotten to meet some hilarious people. There are some out there that are awesome. Like, they're so funny. And I was actually watching one the other night. I think I want to do a video about this, but it was. It was just talking, and I think you did a little bit on this, too. Talking about all the things that we have to do in life now to, like, prepare for. You know, I was thinking about getting ready for bed, and I. I was like, okay, I have to oil my body. I have to outside. I have to brush my teeth. Obviously, that was all I used to have to do when I was 20 years old. Now I have to put in my mouth guard because I grind, because I'm stressed out. What. So now I have, like, a retainer that I'm putting in. So it's like all these things. It takes me 25 minutes to get to bed, and then. Oh, gosh, I don't know. Do I feel like doing anything else when I get into bed except just collapse? Yes. So I. I just think that, you know, you have to be okay with all those things, and you. You have to laugh at it, right? I mean.

Yes.

Can't be so serious.

And you're being. Because there's all the process with the skin care and all the steps, and then there's a whole next level because we start worrying about disease and stuff. So it's like, is myself toxic? Is it. There's, like, the list can go on and on and on.

Yes, 100% it can. And, you know, you can't worry about everything, but you can just deal with what you can deal with. And I think that that's the most important thing. And I get. You know, I've been. You know, I've been telling stories for such a long time that I really enjoy the. The women that I meet, women like you, women that I meet that are creating content, women that are part of the community, that are really open to sharing, because I think I learned so much from them, too. And that's the important part.

So what have you learned through menopause? Like, through going through this process and having these things that are happening to our bodies that are changing? Like, how do you not let that get you down? Because I know that you're talking about it and you're sharing it. But I also know the very real side of what it feels like when that stuff is happening. And, and I'm curious, like, how do you navigate that? Because what do you do? Like, you're about to be reading the teleprompt, you're on set and you start sweating. Like, how do you talk to yourself through those things?

Yeah, I think it's really. You have to, you have to have good self talk. And I want to say it does get me down sometimes. It really does. You know, I, I'm not. I sit next to a woman who's younger than me and I. Every once in a while I look over and I'm like, oh, I remember when I was 35 years old. But what does get me excited about that is the fact that I have advice and experience in life and that makes me feel really good. I really appreciate that. I appreciate that I have some of my own answers now that I'm not always constantly asking everybody for reassurance. You know, I'm happy that I have some of my own answers. I will say I do this, this is a, this is an actual physical thing. But when I'm on the set and I'm. And I have a drink in front of me right now, it's a tea, but anything cold, I have it right next to me all the time. So I can put my wrist next to it or it's right down on the table next to me. So if my body starts getting hot, I can cool myself down easily with regard to my, my heart in the, in the anxiety. You know, I'm on HRT now, so I'm not having as much of a problem with that, which is, is nice because I was really having a tough time. The brain fog was debilitating.

Yeah. Oh, I can relate.

I did my confidence, it made me lose my confidence and that was scary. So it was one thing to feel hot and have a hot flash and my heart racing out of control or not being able to sleep when I came home or. But it was another thing to not being able to do my job. And so that was really, really tough. And that really.

What do you want women to know? Because I want to ask you this question and I realize obviously you're not a doctor either, am I? And everyone makes their own personal choices here. But what do you want women to know about making that decision? Because I also am a huge fan of HRT and bioidentical and all of that. And I, it. It is Life changing for me. Same reasons, brain fog, hot flashes, all of that. There's a lot of opinions, there's a lot of scared people out there about it. What do you want women to know about that?

I want women to know that they have to be educated and they have to talk to a doctor who, who has facts and is, is comfortable talking about it. So somebody might say, well, how do I know if my doctor has the right facts or not? You have to talk to a doctor that is educated about it. You have to come in there armed with a list of questions that you have about hormone replacement, menopause replacement therapy, you know, whether or not that's going to work for you, whether or not you're a good candidate for it, and if you're not, whether or not there are non hormonal options out there. Because some women cannot do that type of therapy. And it's keep that in mind. It's not, perhaps not that they don't want to do it, is that they can't do it. So I think it's important to educate yourself first. I think it's important to make sure that you're going to a doctor that is comfortable talking about it with you. There are a lot of doctors that are not comfortable talking about it. And that's not me saying it. That is actually. And then there was a 2002 study that, you know, if you're familiar with it, you know, it scared a lot of women and the headlines said something very different than, you know, what they believe now. And I know that there is another, another study that still needs to be done, but it scared a lot of into putting, you know, flushing their hormone therapy down the toilet. I came from a family where cancer and breast cancer were always that cloud that hung over us. My mother was diagnosed at the age of 44 with breast cancer. She died at the age of 51. I lived with it through my younger years, starting at 14 years old. So it was always a big fear of mine. I had that thought in my mind too. Estrogen equals breast cancer. That's not what I believe. That's not what the doctors who I have educated myself with believe. And so I have to say that it has changed my life. It's changed, you know, how I'm able to function every day. So that's important. But so I think arming yourself is important. I think being able to talk about this openly with other people. If you don't find, if you haven't found a doctor, ask around. NAMS is a great resource to Be literally able to put your zip code in and find out if there is a doctor under their website that you can go to that's in your area. And if not, send me a DM and I'll, I'll try to help you out in any way that I can. I really, I think it's important that we all share that information.

Did you get dismissed at all by any doctors initially? Because that's a big topic too where, where they say their doctor says, oh, this is in your head, or don't worry about it. There's. And we can go on about all the social media content about people joking about that, what their doctors say.

Mine was less dismissive and more about maybe you're just depressed. And they put me on Lexapro is what they do. It wasn't even so much that I was dismissed. It was just treated very symptomatic. So I see, I hear this with a lot of women that they're treated per symptom, right? You got, you got, you can't sleep at night. Take this, you're, you're feeling kind of moody and you got rage. Take this. Gaining weight, Take this. You know, so, so that's the problem. And I've seen women just kind of chase the, go around in circles trying to get solutions. That makes me so sad. And so that's why I feel like it's really important to share that information. Also make sure that you're not being dismissed by your doctor. So if you feel, look, we have that gut, we have that internal thing inside of us that tells us what's going on. We, we know it deep down. And you know, the doctor that I went to told me to go on Lexapro and I did. And then when I finally found a doctor that was listening to me and that not that said what I wanted her to hear, she was saying I wanted to be non hormonal at one point and just do supplements. And then I was not functioning. I just wasn't functioning. Lexapro wasn't cutting it. Not that I didn't, you know, need that at that time, but. And not that I was ashamed to need that at that time, but I had had 20 more symptoms that were going on. So it was only addressing one small area at that point. And so when I found the doctor that really listened to me, I felt confident. And there's nothing like walking out of a doctor's office or talking to a therapist or talking to somebody that, that hears you and that lets you, that sets you up for, you know, Success. And that's what you need.

Yeah, that's so I. Why I really want women to hear this, because I think too many times we just trust. It's my doctor. This is what they said. But if you're not feeling that you're getting the solution that you want, or you're feeling dismissed or like, like you just shared, you're just treating a symptom. There are other options. I know for me personally, I went through this. My OBGYN just wanted to put me on birth control pills and give me an antidepressant. Same situation. And I was glad I had the education to go ask around and find somebody that wanted to help support this.

Yeah, there are reporter. Be your own journalist, be your own advocator, because there's. Look, there's no one that's going to do it for you. You have to advocate for yourself. And the most important thing, and I probably learned this at a young age, and then I got stressed out with life and career and everything. And I come back full circle to it, that if you don't have your health, you do not have anything. And it's so important to, to take control of it and to, to let that guide you. And I think it's, it's, it's extremely. We're, we're seeing it more and more. Look, we came out of the pandemic. We, we were, if nothing else told us that, that did. But especially when it comes to women's health, we put everything before us, and it's important that we put ourselves first.

Now, what got you wanting to create and share on social media? And how do you get your inspiration for that?

What got me wanting to, you know, I actually started it very quietly. It's interesting that you asked me that. I didn't do that on Instagram initially. If you go back and look at my old Instagram, it was like, here's a picture of me at a party. Here, here's my new outfit. And now it's like, here's my sweat. I started it on TikTok because there weren't a lot of people on TikTok that I worked with or that I knew. And I thought, like, I have some funny things or some thoughts I want to share, or I was looking for more and wanted to share the information that I had. And I started out doing some, like, very minor things. Here's 34 symptoms of menopause. I was reading them off my phone. I'm like, wow. Lashes, night sweats, you know, just like a journalist would. And that really took off, though, because people wanted to talk about it. And I went, oh, my gosh, people want to talk about this with me. Okay. And so then I did another one. Another one. And so then I started. I tipped my. You know, I tiptoed into TikTok, and then I said, like, I wonder if I share this on Instagram, what the response is going to be. And. And initially people were like, why are you talking about menopause? You know, And I'm sure I turned off a lot of the men that were probably on there, but I gained a community of women. Yeah, that's what's important to me. And I gained friends from there. And I've met so many people now in the last several years in person. You know, we've come off of Instagram and. Yeah. And they light up my life. Like, they're really amazing. And they're the kind of women that I can text randomly if we haven't talked in a few weeks or have an answer or can help me out or can guide me. And that's where I. I think social media allows us to bloom a bit.

I. I completely agree with you and I different story than you, but I started as fitness and fat loss and nutrition for years. And then when I started talking about perimenopause and menopause and hormone shifts, I initially had people thinking, what are you doing? But same thing, grew a different community. Stuff started growing faster. Met a lot of great people. I think it's just not talked about enough. I wish more women would embrace it because I know I had a strong opin menopause meant and what aging meant and meeting people like you and watching other accounts and learning that, no, there's this. We're still in our prime. We still have, like, a lot happening for us. There's. And we're just not talking about that and sharing it enough. How. What has going through this taught you about just women in general?

Oh, gosh. Resilient. Women are resilient. Women are supportive. And I feel like women are loyal. You know, if you. I have found really, especially in the past two or three years, just true friendships that give me a lot of confidence, much more confidence than I could have gotten from some kind of success in my career. Those friendships and those relationships in that community gives me a lot of confidence, and that's really what I've learned. I think, you know, women can tackle whatever they put their mind to, but I do think that they have to feel well first because we can't do anything debilitated. Do anything. If we can't think straight, we can't do anything. If we can't sleep, if we don't feel right, if we're sluggish, if we don't have the right nutrition, if we don't have the right, you know, if you're doing hormone replacement therapy or you're doing non hormonal supplements, I think if, if we're not well, we cannot function at full capacity. We know that. And so I, that's why I advocate for that. I really do. And I think that my mom's death had a lot to do with it. And now, coming full circle, I just passed the year that she died. You know, she died one. I just turned 52. Well, December, I turned 52 and it was a big deal for me. It was a really big deal. And I, I don't take that lightly.

I can so relate to what you just said. I lost my dad at 49 and I'm 51 now. But when I surpassed him, I remember having that exact same thought. That's just, it's just a wild thought there. Okay, I've got maybe a strange question, but I'm so super curious about this because you come from the world of journalism and traditional media and social media is a whole different animal. And a lot of people totally turn their nose up to social media and it can be conflicting, like where people are getting their information or their news from now. What's your opinion on all of that?

Well, I think it's important first of all to know your sources. You know, my whole life has been about sources. Like I, I've never, I don't say anything that I don't, I'm not, I'm not sourced on, on the air in television. And so I try to hold those same policies true to myself here. I think it's really important, though, to know who you're listening to. You can't listen to everybody that's flying by on your feet or you, first of all, you just make yourself feel. You just. It's too much.

Yeah.

And the truth of the matter is, is not. And not everyone is doing it with altruistic reasons. And so I think it's important to pay attention to who you're listening to. I think it's important to keep your circle small when it comes to people that you let in. I, you know, I subscribe by the five person theory. Like those five people that are in my life are the ones that I listen to. I think it's important to take social media for what it is, and it's, it's a community. But you wouldn't go out onto the street and listen to every person who's walking by you at any moment take advice from them and be like, okay, that's what I'm going to do now. You just wouldn't do that. So I think it's important to know who's following who. You know, you know, if you've got, if you have somebody that's, that's following two people that you really respect and maybe those are two very good people to, to be connected with. So I think it's important to keep that in mind. And I, I have an 11 year old nephew, you know, and I know he's, you know, going by all the time and can't discern what's, what's real.

Heck, I can't discern what's real and what's not anymore.

It's confusing all the time. So, you know, I can, I, I back up, back up, back up. You know, if I see something, I check and check and check and check and that's, that's the only way I know how to do it.

When we were growing up, I mean we were similar in age. I mean there was like four TV channels, right? You had four and the same. So you would get, everybody would hear the same news, the same information and then you'd have opinions. But now it's like between all the TV channels and all the sources and then you get social media, you can go down rabbit holes on any topic in any direction and it's so hard to know what's real, what's not real. It's really, it's really crazy.

Especially when you can't sleep at night.

Yeah, exactly, exactly. But it is, you know, I'm not used to. You have enough, you have a 15 year old daughter. It's, it's super confusing to watch that with her. Like I'm thinking we literally had four channels and a couple radio stations.

Like we got excited when we had mtv. Yeah, I agree with you. I think it can be very hard. I'm not a parent myself, but I, I give it up to parents, I give it up to parents that have to watch everything. You know, they're doing their own career and they're doing their own social and they're having their own relations and then they're making, you know, having to keep an eye on their kids too. Because I think that that is a lot, that's a lot of pressure. But boy, the fact that, you know, the fact is that they figure out a way to do it right?

Yeah. Did you get pushback from your journalist friends, from people in the career when you, when you started becoming so public on social.

You know, it's interesting, I think, because of the topics that I was talking about. People found it interesting because it was information that we weren't really talking about before. So I think I got a lot of response like, oh, gosh, are you sure? I got a lot of that response. Are you sure you should be talking about, you know, are you going to. Is it going to like you? I think what I did get, the one comment I did get that made me step, you know, sit back at my heels for a moment was like, do you think that's going to make them think that you're old now? Oh, gosh. And it did make me think. I was like, oh, yeah, it is actually, and it's okay. But I had, I. But even gave myself a beat talking about that because I remember thinking, wow, I am going to do that. But that I need to do that. That. That's the whole. I'm talking.

So, so I actually, it's. I have a. Such a strong opinion about that, like, about this, the whole aging thing. So whenever someone says to me, like, you don't look your age. I'm always like, what's it supposed to look like? Because to me, because this is my age. I am 51 and you are 52. It's like we, we are this age and it's, there's such a range of what women can look like, and it doesn't matter. Like, we're still all that age. So the whole, like, like, does that make us older? Like, fine, we are older. But, but, but I think it's so different than what, what unfortunately media has played it out to be and what we've assumed growing older was. And I see so many fabulous women, like, truly in their primers, even stepping into it, starting new careers, starting new at our age group. Like, I, I sometimes feel like I'm just getting started.

Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. You know, I think that if you look at a lot of the media images that are out there, if you look at the commercials of like, this, this older couple sitting on a bench looking all, you know, just light and slow, petting a. Petting their dog, you know, those are the images that we all have in our minds. Right. When you think, like, 52 years old, I don't think about us. I probably had another image in my mind leading up to this and Then all these fabulous women that are 62 and 72 and 82. And I went, oh my gosh, this is a whole other world. And, and you're right, you know, we, we have to change those images. And I know there's a lot of groups out there that are trying to do just that. Trying to make sure that that perception is different that, that perception of, of, of going into this next stage. Not even, you know, aging. Yes, but going into this next stage doesn't mean that life is over, that you're invisible. That's not the case. That's fine.

I'm building a new website because I was getting it away from my personal brand and building it and I had my designer, I told her what I wanted on it and she came back and I said, what. What is this Website Everyone looks 90 on here? She said, well, mid, midlife women are super underrated on. There's not enough stuff in stock, photos and whatever on there. And I thought, who decided that this is age women look like. It's so funny to me. I know because to me I look at a 30 year old, I'm like, that's what we look. That's part of us still. Yes. So it really, we do need more people. If anyone's listening and you're looking for a career path idea that we need more of this. We need more representation for what it truly is to be in your 50s or 60s. Like what. That is not what our, we thought of our grandparents.

Not what it was. You know, not what it was. Because that is not, that is not the gimmy you look at. You know, they always do that comparison, the Golden Girls and Sex and the City. But you know, but in real life it stands true too.

It really does.

It really does.

It does. So what's in your next chapter? What do you see taking. You've built your, you have a brand and you're now building another brand. Really? Intentionally or not intentionally. What do you see as your next chapter? Like, where are you going to take this?

Yeah, it's, it's always an interesting question. I am in the process of writing a book. I just got a book that was picked up and so that'll come out in a year or so. It always takes a bit, but I'm excited about that. So I have a book in the works and then I'm also working on a documentary right now. Right now to talk about menopause because I love that.

We need that.

Yeah, menopause, the workplace is really important and it's really something we don't talk about. And there are a lot of women at this age that are sitting there in the height of their careers and dealing with the same things that we're dealing with all the time and they don't know who to talk to and that has to stop. So that is one of my big, my big missions right now to make sure that we see that through and the documentary is a part of that.

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Thank you so much. This is so fun. I really appreciate it. I really appreciate. I hope we can talk again.