Health Is the Business Foundation We Forget w. Sheree Hannah

Like, yes, and we've got the gut, we've got the brain. Let's let the two talk to each other. Let's make sure the gut is primed to produce that serotonin so we are walking around happy human beings.

Welcome back to another episode of the Yes And podcast. I am your host and retired stuntwoman, therapist, serial entrepreneur, and a couple other things, Bunny Young. And today we are going to talk about something that we don't normally address address on the Yes And Podcast, and I think it is a huge topic that needs to be addressed in entrepreneurship, in life, in motherhood, in being a human or having this human experience. And so I've brought one of my friends from all the way across the world to be able to talk to you about this particular topic, as well as to really give you some of the steps and frameworks to start to introduce this into your life, because it's something that's been overwhelming, in full transparency, to me at times. That's why I have the one and the only Cherie here to share with you all of the tips and tricks when it comes to your health and health at a cellular level and health in your gut, sleep, all of this kind of stuff that's so connected. And Cherie, welcome to the show.

Oh, thank you so much for having me, Bunny Young. I'm really excited to be here.

We have been working on this for a couple months. To be able to bring this to the audience. And part of that is because where in the world are you right now?

I'm in New Zealand at the moment. So born and bred in New Zealand, but may not be here for much longer, but that's where we are right now.

Well, you're going to come visit me in California, right?

Yes. Much needed to come back. Oh, I already miss you guys.

So Like, I know this is a super popular question for everybody, but you didn't just wake up one day and decide that this was what you were going to do with your life. And so share a little bit with us about kind of your unexpected journey to getting to where you are now and coaching around the topics and in this industry that you are now.

Yeah, it's a loaded story, so I always try and condense it as much as I can. And that's because my journey started when I was 22 months old— not years, months. I was diagnosed with an autoimmune condition called celiac disease, which for those of you who are under— that is, it means I'm really intolerant, allergic to gluten, and my body essentially attacks itself if I was to consume that. And this was at a time where gluten was like, what is that? No one really knew what it was. So long story short, I had to learn from a very young age how to read the back of nutrition packets, what ingredients to look out for, taking my own plate to birthday parties and learning not to share food. And so over many, many years of my life, I developed a relationship with food that came from a restrictive place because there was this fear around certain foods and that could harm me. And I was always so interested in health and well-being, you know. My mom was extremely conscious of that. In fact, she was pregnant with me in her belly at the gym I actually ended up working at, you know, which is just Amazing. And so over the years I went and decided to become a PE teacher. That's what I went to university for. The first nutrition class in that degree, I was just mind blown that we could actually control our health and control our wellbeing based off the foods we were putting into our body. And from that moment on, I was like, that's what I'm doing. I'm not here to be a PE teacher. And so I finished my degree because that's what I do. Yes, and, um, I went on. To really further my studies and education in nutrition. However, during the course of that time, I developed a bit of an eating disorder. So I went through bulimia, I went through binge eating, and I started to notice all these changes. I ended up injuring my knee, had knee surgery. I was on the oral contraceptive pill, and I started to gain weight, and I could not shift weight, and I had no idea why. I was tired no matter how many hours I was sleeping. And it just accumulated over so much time. So I started to look at my clients, I started to look at the people around me, and I was like, they're experiencing the same issues. They're unable to shift weight no matter how little they eat or how much they move. And so by digging a little deeper, going down the path of the continued education, and then looking at holistic education, holistic health, I really started to to transform, and it's where I've wound up now.

I love that. And to start at 22 months old, I mean, that's pretty incredible. So this is actually something like— I don't even know if you know this story, but you know how our fertility journey went as far as having the 10 miscarriages total. And when you and I met each other, I think I was in the beginning of that. And then over this I guess it's 3 years now that we've been in each other's lives, having those 4 miscarriages and then now our baby. And we signed up for a fertility clinic. And I'll never forget this because I feel— I felt so unheard and so ignored and so put through a system. We did all of this testing and then they're like, okay, we're going to have you do IVF. And I'm like, explain it to me. Break it down to me because we don't have an issue getting pregnant, we have an issue continuing the pregnancy. And so IVF is just to get pregnant, correct?

And they were like, yeah, but you know, there can be a lot of reasons why your body is rejecting the, the embryo, and it could be, you know, because the embryo is not viable in that way in IVF. And I'm like, this just doesn't make sense to me because we have two healthy kids. So I ended up— and I'm not saying this is everybody's journey with fertility, but for us in particular there was something nagging me inside me that's like, I think there's something else here. I don't think it's my actual reproductive system. And so I'm very privileged is the word to be able to have a concierge doctor who did a full blood test and a full blood panel. Mm-hmm.

And I came back with celiac disease.

Wow.

And she had said essentially the inflammation from what I was eating. Mm-hmm. My body was attacking the inflammation, was becoming more and more inflamed. And so when I would get pregnant, my system would register that as something else to get rid of and something else to attack, and that it wasn't a safe environment to grow a baby in. And she's like, I can't tell you that this is the exact reason, but this makes sense. And so we switched to gluten-free. And we had our son within 3 months. I mean, we didn't have him, but we were pregnant with him within 3 months. And it's just so mind-blowing to me. It makes sense, right? Like, we learn from a young age, at least in the States, like, the hand bone's connected to, you know, the arm bone, all of that kind of stuff, right? And, yes, and, when we go to these specialists, sometimes they're just I, I see this even with my heart condition when I'm in the hospital. It's like the doctors aren't talking to each other, and so we can't get, to use your word, a holistic view of our health and our body. And so when you're talking about what you're eating impacting what you're—

your sleep, and when you're talking about what you're eating impacting your mood and impacting your hormones, this is your fuel for life, and this is what I kind of led the podcast with, is it's super overwhelming to me to even sometimes think about reading the label of every single thing that I consume. And so what would you recommend on how to get started without that overwhelm?

Yeah, that's a great question. And, you know, one of the biggest things I do with my clients is really get through the overwhelm because there is so much information out there. You know, you go to Dr. Google and you're diagnosed with 500 different conditions and you freak out and you go, should I be doing vegan? Should I be doing keto? Should I be doing paleo? Should I be— what on earth am I following? And that's scary. And they don't know if what you're doing is quote unquote right. And you start— then you can start to manifest symptoms that you didn't even have before, and it's just this negative spiral. So I, I totally get it. I totally relate. And I'm— I actually say I'm very fortunate that I was diagnosed at such a young age with the celiac because That's all I've ever known. And so I was lucky enough to kind of build the knowledge up over time and my poor mom had to learn. But essentially, if we're thinking about where to start, one of the best things that I get my clients to do, and if you just close down your eyes, if you're driving, don't do that, but close down your eyes and just imagine your local grocery store, right? Your Whole Foods or something. When you walk in, the first thing you're going to see is a whole lot of fresh fruits and vegetables. You're going to continue down and maybe go around the back, and you'll go past like the Delicatessen, or you'll go past the meats, you'll go past the poultry, you'll go past the fish, all of that. And then when you come around the sides, you may go past like some eggs and maybe like some whole food dairy, and then you can leave the supermarket, right? So you can open your eyes now. But essentially, most supermarkets are laid out where if you shop the perimeter of the supermarket, you're actually going to be getting mostly whole real foods. It's the aisles where we have all the stuff with the ingredient list on it. And, you know, to make it simple for people, if you just took your little trolley and you went around the supermarket and you didn't go up and down those aisles, or you only went up for the very specific things that you needed, you know, you're probably going to be eating a lot more whole real foods. You don't have to check the back of the labels or like the back of the packets. Because there are no labels. Yeah, there are no packets. It's maybe 1 or 2 ingredients, if that, you know, if you're looking at, you know, raw milk or something.

Yeah, no, that's so great. And, you know, if I apply this to kind of the strategy I take with business and take a more pro— an even more proactive approach, we have such freedom for most of us, depending on where you live, to, to choose what we want to eat and to meal plan. And then if you're in the States, you can Instacart it to your house and then you're not like me stuck at the supermarket where you go in for 2 items and you leave with 16 items and you get home and you put the items on the kitchen counter and you realize, guess what? I forgot the 2 items that I went into the supermarket for. So I think that if we're applying that strategy, that same proactive strategy to our health and being able to eat— I have a client that's in DEFY right now that, you know, she sources all of her foods from 30 miles from her house, and she goes to farmers markets, she goes directly to the farm, she has relationships directly with meat providers. And I think that that's so cool because one of the things that I learned from her, and you probably already knew this, but it's like the best thing to do for allergies to flowers is to eat bee pollen from the local area.

Because then your body is getting that immunity. Yeah, because the bees are collecting the pollen from that local area. And my husband has horrible allergies. And so it's one of the reasons that moving to California, it's going to be awesome because California, there's not a whole lot of pollen in comparison to Virginia right now is just dyed yellow. And when she was talking about that, I was like, you know, And I don't know, Sheree, if this is too extreme, but I'm like, I feel like all of the medicine is in nature. All of the medicine that we need for basically anything is in nature.

Yeah, the wisdom that comes from nature. Like, if we look at traditional Chinese medicine, if we look at Ayurveda, you know, this has been around for thousands of years. We— our bodies know what to do with nature, and I think that's the biggest thing we need to understand. We've gone to the extreme of, okay, we've got all these processed foods, we've got all these foods that are too high in calories, why don't we just take out the sugar? Because sugar's the real issue, right? Like, that's what everyone focuses on. Just replace with aspartame, we'll replace it with all these artificial sweeteners. And chill, our bodies don't know what to do with them, and we also don't know thermofix of them. And so by adding in natural remedies, focusing on healing from that nature first, even from the perspective of— it doesn't even have to be the foods you ingest— getting sunlight, first thing and set up your circadian rhythm to help regulate your hormones. Taking a cold shower in the morning as well if you're not menstruating, to really support your metabolism, to support your immune system. Like, there's so much we can do from a natural perspective that is ridiculous. My time's at free— that can really support your body and coming home to yourself, grounding, going and put your feet in the earth. Even on concrete can recharge those negative ions to support your energy levels. So there's a lot we can do.

That's awesome. And I'm sure that we're going to link some resources below this podcast for you guys, because again, I am honoring the fact that this can be super overwhelming to get started. And so having just a simple menu of things to choose from, even if you just start to do one thing a day and We have this big, beautiful backyard now at this house, and I have been waking up and taking advantage of that. First, waking up on the West Coast of the US is a different, completely different time zone than the East Coast.

Yeah.

And so as I'm waking up earlier, I've been seeing the sunrise and just—

it's such a beautiful kind of process to go through and to take that time.

Versus waking up with an alarm and then having to jump right into my day. And so I just— it's like, how can we live lives a little bit more naturally? And am I— so here, Bunny is going to get health coached, uh, live. Yeah, I love stevia and monk fruit. Are those okay?

Yeah, so if we're going, you know, if we're looking at the nature side of things, both of them do come from nature. They're the least processed. Most people tolerate them very well. Monk fruit tends to be the one that's most tested, but I mean, I will still consume stevia. They're also not like a lot of the sugar alcohols, which technically considered— they, they're not 400 times sweeter than actual sugar, so we also then don't reprogram our taste buds the wrong way, essentially. So I definitely don't have a problem with that, and you'll find a lot of healthier alternatives, either stevia or monk fruit extract, to give you an option for a little bit of sweetness without the negative side effects.

Well, I, I do love those two things in my drinks. And I've also found I feel so much better when I drink water. Like, it's— I know you can laugh at me. It's totally fine. When I was an athlete, when I was an athlete, obviously I'm playing softball, I'm playing basketball. Well, I didn't really play basketball, but I'm playing volleyball, I'm surfing, I get thirsty. And what I've learned now is that that's like actually too late. And when I was doing all of that, I'm used to drinking water because I've done something, but coming out of the pandemic or, you know, when I'm at home, it's a little bit different because I'm not as active. And so I'm not out in the sunlight kind of cueing sweat and that kind of stuff. But what I've learned is that we still have to drink a fair amount of water. Like, what is the actual measurement?

Um, about 68 ounces, I believe it is, 2 liters, would be kind of your minimum active. If you are going to the gym, if you're— activity, that increases. You have a cup of coffee, any sort of caffeine, that also increases because the caffeine is a natural diuretic, which essentially means it flushes out your body. It actually dehydrates you. So you do want to replenish that with an extra 2 glasses of water essentially for every cup of coffee that you might consume. And so helpful to do that, you know, I neglected for the longest time. I, I mean, I drank— and I don't know what the conversion is, but I used to drink something ridiculous like 6 liters of water a day. And it was just something like out of pure habit. I've always loved water. And I was like, I'm not actually hydrating though. Like electrolytes have become such a huge thing now and people are more and more focused on them and it's great. The idea of salt, but your body, if it, you can drink as much water till you're blue in the face, but you're not going to necessarily get the water into the cells if you don't have the potassium, the sodium, the magnesium, the calcium. And so when you wake up first thing in the morning, electrolytes, and again, making sure that they're either naturally sweetened or you've got literally lime juice for potassium, and some salt in your water in the morning can do the trick as well. So you don't necessarily need to go out and buy some electrolytes. It can rehydrate you that way. So there's some really simple ways because you've been dehydrating over hopefully like at least an 8-hour window, so you need to rehydrate first thing in the morning as well.

I love that. Yeah, I laughed because like I've gone and gotten IV fluids before and done all of that. And I'm like, as much as I don't love shots and I don't love IVs, you would think that I would just drink more water, like make sure I'm putting the right stuff in my water instead of having to go get IV fluids. Oh my gosh, so we have so many good questions here. I want to talk a little bit about testing because this is obviously something that I'm a huge fan of in business, is testing and data and getting that information.

And I went through that huge giant blood panel to find out about the celiac. And another thing that my naturopath adopted was testing for my foods.

Yep.

And like what foods— because I used to think, okay, if I didn't ever think that diet soda was good, but I used to think like, oh, if something is natural, if something is organic, if something, you know, has the green label, then it's good for you, and then I can eat as much of it as I want, or it is good for me. But what I've learned is that your body's actually asking for very different things. And so what testing do you recommend?

It's a great question, and to be honest with you, I went through a real phase of doing heaps of testing, heaps of functional medicine testing. So we're talking like the Dutch for your hormones, which will give you a complete panel of your cortisol levels, your estrogen, progesterone, absolutely everything, what's going on with your circadian rhythm and your menstrual cycle. There's also the complete microbiome mapping, some of the— I think it's called a GI map over in the States, and that will test for parasites, that'll test for worms, it'll test for bacterial overgrowth, it'll test for infections. And then there's blood work, which is typically what I will do as well. Blood work for me is a non-negotiable, and I look at it very differently for how doctors will do it from a functional medicine perspective, where you're not looking for the presence or absence of disease, but instead you're looking at optimal health ranges. And so I'm not there to diagnose— that is outside of my scope of practice— but I can look and go, okay, well, nutrient deficiencies are going on here. That might be why the thyroid looks like it's leaning towards underfunctioning. For example. So to answer your question, the testing that I do is primarily blood work now. I don't test hormones in blood work because unless you're postmenopausal— I work predominantly with females— they're not going to give you a very accurate reading. If someone's come to me, which to be honest some of my clients do, and they've been to specialist, specialist, specialist, doctor, doctor, doctor, and they're like, I've got no results, chance, and they've tried a lot of things, then I'll go down the testing path. But for most people who this might be, you know, a bit of a new journey, they've got a whole lot of symptomology, they're sure what's going on, a blood work panel will tell you a lot. And then I take through a reset. You know, they've now determined that a— from a food perspective, what we used to do was test IgA, IgE, and IgG responses, which is your immune response to different foods. The gold standard now is actually the elimination diet. And so, you know, you can go down the path of testing if you just want to shortcut it and you're like, oh, here's a list of things. Like, that's fine. But simply removing the most common inflammatory foods and giving your gut a chance to heal and reseal— because at least 97% of the population has something that we call leaky gut, which is, if you're watching this, you know, imagine your hand nice and tightly closed, fingers together. Now, if we are stressed, if we consume alcohol, if we consume gluten, this will open. You know, people like myself and yourself with celiac disease, it kind of just kills the intestine. But for the rest of the world, it'll open more and more and more if you're eating the gluten or the stress is coming in or the alcohol is coming in, and that allows different food particles to go through. That then allows, even if it was something as healthy as an egg or as healthy as, you know, shellfish or something like pure animal protein, to go through, ends up in the bloodstream. Once it's in the bloodstream, the body goes, oh, that's a foreign protein! What on earth is it doing here? The only time we have foreign proteins is when it's a virus or a bacterial infection. Tag that with a little red flag every time this comes in. We're gonna produce inflammation in the body. We then stress our body out. We're eating the eggs every morning for breakfast because eggs are a great breakfast food, and our body is getting more and more and more inflamed. And so we need to quite often take out a number of the foods that we know can be a little bit more highly inflammatory, allow the gut to heal and reseal so we're no longer dealing with that leaky gut situation, and recover from what I call an intolerance versus an allergy. So we're not often— not actually allergic to the foods, it's just an intolerance, and we need to re-heal And so by allowing the body to reset, we don't necessarily have to go down this huge path of testing. We don't necessarily have to go down this route of, you know, spending a lot of money on functional tests. We can get a lot of results by doing some of the healing work first. That's essentially where I start.

You are so brilliant. Like, I'm learning so much, and I just love this. I love this so much. Okay, I want to get fun for a second. Not that all of this has not been super, super fun because is, you know, you talk nutrition like I talk spreadsheets in business. So that's just like, makes me so happy.

There is, as we're recording this, this phase going on, and I messaged you about it. Like, Shari is my go-to girl when I'm like, I don't understand this.

Can you, can you break it down for me?

But I was, I saw probably like 10 reels on this Sleepy Girl Elixir.

Is, is that what it's called? Yeah, I think they call it the City Girl Mocktail. Some people call it City Girl Elixir. Same thing.

Yeah. Okay. So what is it? Why does it work? How do we make it? And you know, all the things.

So it's funny, this has had so many positive, I guess, connotations to it. There's also been a number of negative connotations. The concern with it, so it's a concern that a lot of people have, is the blood sugar spike that can come with it because we are using a tart cherry juice or tart cherry concentrate, which is higher in sugar. And so the essence of it is this tart cherry promotes the production of melatonin, which is our sleepy hormone, right? And that's why a lot of people are going, wow, this is amazing, really helping me fall asleep. That's what melatonin does. And so to be able to support our circadian rhythm, having this before you go to bed can be helpful. It also has magnesium in it. Now magnesium calms the nervous system down and really promotes prolonged sleep. So the melatonin helps you fall asleep, the magnesium kind of helps you stay. Most people are feeling incredible. You know, first things I get my clients on is a magnesium supplement, and I make sure they take it at nighttime. So, you know, you don't necessarily have to go down the path of this, especially if you are worried about that blood sugar spike. And there have been people that have tested it and seen blood sugar spikes from it. I am now encouraging— and I'm yet to release this reel— people to add in a collagen of some sort to slow down the release of that blood sugar as well overnight, because when you combine carbohydrates, which is the tart cherry juice, with some protein, it'll slow down that blood sugar spike. You can also in turn make them into little gummies, um, which will be made with gelatin, which will also slow down that blood sugar spike. So they can be nice little treats, you know, they are tolerable for children as well. So they can be really helpful for you. All it is is magnesium, tart cherry juice to promote the melatonin, and then they normally add in a probiotic soda. To be honest with you, that I think is more for the flavor and like the sparklingness and like the mocktail feel. It is great to have a little bit of probiotic soda from time to time. Um, and again, making sure it's a low sugar one and that sort of thing. Um, but in terms of sleep, it doesn't necessarily promote the sleep factor too much. So yeah, that, that's a, that's a sleepy girl mocktail in a nutshell.

Okay. So now we've got our amazing, incredible 9 hours of sleep or 9+ hours of sleep, right? We're waking up. What is the energetic girl mocktail, or the best day unicorn magical day mocktail?

So I would say the mocktail is actually a number of habits stacked together. So this would be my recipe for a successful energizing morning. So look at the sun as soon as you wake get the sunlight into your eyeballs. Like, that is going to support your circadian rhythm. It's going to start to slow down that melatonin production, start to naturally rise our cortisol levels to wake us up in the morning. So within the first 30 minutes of waking, yes, I want to eat within, within about an hour of waking as well. That's going to set up your metabolism with at least 30 grams of protein in that meal, right? So we're starting to layer in some of these habits. If you can hold off on that caffeine for at least 90 minutes to give your cortisol the ability to naturally rise and wake you up. If you still need a little dose of energy, or maybe you just enjoy a cup of coffee, have it after that 90 minutes of waking up. Have it after that breakfast. And I say my morning routine comprises of 3 Ms: movement, a meal, and some mindfulness. You want to start your day in a really calm state. This may look like some breathwork, this may look like a meditation, this may look like a little dance party, like something that is— maybe gratitude, like something that is nice and calming for you. It's going to start your in a really optimal way. Keep the phone away for at least 30 minutes, an hour if you can. And then the movement doesn't have to be going to the gym and hitting a workout. The movement doesn't have to be an hour yoga class. The movement can be stretching out your fingers, reaching all the way up, and then maybe forward folding, maybe shaking it out. Maybe the dance party is a combination of the movement and the mindfulness. Like, it gets to be whatever you want. But within that first hour, you've got a meal which is 30 grams of protein and it's in that first hour of waking, you've got the mindfulness of some sort to really prime the body and the mind for the day ahead, and then you've got some movement to encourage that circulation, to encourage that blood flow. Fresh blood flow to the brain is going to make you more energized. So yeah, it's not necessarily a specific food or a specific drink, but those habits are going to really prime you in the morning.

Oh, that's so good. That is so good. So Thank you for, for all of this. And I have a friend who owns a company called Gut Personal. I actually should connect you guys. Her name's Bridget, because I think you guys are like sisters from another lifetime. Just your passion for all of this. And I was watching some of Bridget's reels and Gut Personal's reels, and, and actually she sent me something called, I think it's called like the Miracle Worker, which has that magnesium. I'll send you the link for this. This. Um, again, this is— yes, I'm not an affiliate of Gut Personal, and Cherie is not endorsing this. However, something that I've learned from doing this and studying even more is there's actually more— what is it— like more receptors in your stomach than in your brain. Like, they talk about like the brain that's in your stomach and in your gut and kind of The health that comes from that. And I just thought I wanted to talk to you about it and kind of open that up because I can't remember the exact thing that it says that there's more— it's not like cells or something like that, but that there's something is more in your gut and in your brain than there is in— or in your stomach than there is in your brain. And almost the fact that we should be making decisions and it starts actually in our stomach versus is in our minds. And so save me from what I just got myself into that I can't finish the thought on and make—

rescue this podcast, Cherie.

No pressure.

Okay, so essentially what you're describing is that brain axis or the gut-brain connection, which we refer to as the enteric nervous system. Um, it's stimulated through our vagal nerve, um, which is also then connected to our parasympathetic and sympathetic autonomic nervous system. So long-winded way of saying that our gut is a real powerhouse, um, it's home to trillions of bacteria. Our research now supports that there is at least 95% of our serotonin, which I think is what you were talking about in terms of the receptors. Serotonin is our happy hormone produced in our gut and not our brain. And so there is a two-way feedback system between the gut and the brain. So the gut gut will communicate, send messages up to the brain, and the brain will communicate and send messages back to the gut. So, you know, for years we've talked about those butterflies in your tummy, or we may have talked about that gut feeling, right? And that's not just a wishy-washy term anymore, you know. We're now saying, is the— is the gut the real brain, right? Some of the— some of the questions that are coming about. And the beautiful thing, if you think about is how deeply they're connected. They're actually made of the same tissue. Like, the body is phenomenal when you really look into it. And so it makes it so much easier for the two to communicate. So I guess to, to really answer your question, I look at like both, like, yes and. We've got the gut, we've got the brain. Let's let the two talk to each other. Let's make sure the gut is primed to produce that serotonin So we are walking around happy human beings. Let's make sure that we are still doing the inner work for the mind to be able to move through some of those internal blocks. The gut's not going to necessarily be able to do that. We have to work on both. And so by nourishing those good bacteria, by making sure that, you know, what we have is called a symbiotic relationship with these bacteria and these little bugs that live inside of us, meaning it's mutually beneficial We give them food, they give us a whole host of others, right? Including things that will make us feel happier, including making sure that we've got some anti-inflammatory postbiotics, which you may have heard of pre and probiotics, but we have postbiotics which help reduce inflammation in the body. They are amazing little bugs and they get to be our friends. What we don't want is parasites because they leech from us, so it's a very one-way relationship.

Both in our bodies and in our lives. So I love that. Shari, thank you so much for being on the podcast. Thank you so much for bringing your wisdom and your support and your energy and just all of your gifts to the podcast. It's been so amazing having you on the Yes And Podcast.

Oh, thank you so much for having me, and I hope your listeners got a lot out of today's recording.

I know they did. And just to let Sherry know how much you got out of it, go and rate this episode, share this episode. Um, Sherry's Instagram and social media info is right below in the show notes, so connect with her. If you found this from a social media reel that we put out, share that reel, because all of the strategy and the energy in your business success, in your entrepreneurial journey, has to come from you and your fuel and your vision.

And if you're not healthy on a physical level, it's difficult to be optimal on any other level. And so this is something that I have learned time and time again on my entrepreneurial journey, and I'm just so incredibly blessed to have people like Cherie in my life to remind me of how important this is. And if it's like the oxygen mask on an airplane, if it is something that I want to be here to make an impact for others and to support all of you listening.

It does start with me. So please connect with Cherie on Instagram. Go and get— grab some of her free resources. She is amazing at giving away so much knowledge and so much wisdom and making it really, really simple and fun. And we'll definitely have her back on the podcast again. Thank you all for listening wherever you brought us. And go take your cold shower, have your sleepy girl mocktail, get some sunlight in your face. Not, not all in that order. And I will see you on the next— next— I, I will hopefully recover and see you on the next episode of the Yes And Podcast. Have a great day.