Self-funded vs VC: Who really wins?

I think this is where I think people, you have to explain it to founders, right? Would you rather have 80% of a $60 billion or a $60 million business, or would you rather have a couple percentage of a $150 million business? And I think, and no control. Like I have a couple of companies that I've invested in that basically have taken a bunch of VC money. And basically when zero interest rates changed, like they're, they got extremely twitchy about their portfolio value. And so they started doing some pretty erratic things because they had to. Whereas if you're just marching along— and so this company self-funded it. They took no seed money. They self-funded the entire thing. So they own 100% other than the 7.5% that we took.