From 7 Figures to Starting Over: Motherhood, Confidence & Pivoting Fast with Melissa Ambrosini

Hello, my love, and welcome to Seen, the podcast that helps you to stop hiding, claim your worth, and build the most vibrant version of your life possible. Thank you so much for being here. Hello, my love, and welcome to Seen. Now, my next guest needs no introduction. Melissa Ambrosini is a bestselling author of books like Open Wide and Mastering Your Mean Girl. She's also a TEDx speaker. She has one of the number one podcasts, The Melissa Ambrosini Show, and she reaches millions of people around the globe. I'm so excited to dive in today talking all about how she has built her personal brand since 2011, how she has navigated through motherhood, spirituality, and so much more. Let's get into it.

Thank you so much, babe. I'm so excited to be here and to dive deep into all the things.

All of the things. I know, I was like, where do I start? There's just so much to cover. I mean, you have covered so much in your life. Like, you've had so much success in so many different areas. And I'd love to maybe start back at the beginning, like when this was all happening, because I feel like you've talked a lot about your journey very openly about, you know, your kind of health scare after dancing in the Moulin Rouge and really turning your whole life around when that happened and diving into nutrition and health and becoming a life coach. And when all this was happening, like if I could speak to the Melissa back then, What was your goal back then? Like, you just entered into this new world. Like, did you know much about business? Like, what were your goals back then? Like, what were you thinking?

I think back to that girl and I'm like, oh, I love you so much. Like, just so naive, but like in the best possible way. Like, just thought everything would just unfold perfectly. And it did. And it was effortless, but like, So just to give a little bit of background, I was a professional dancer. I did acting and TV presenting, and I loved performing, like loved it so much. It lit me up. Oh, it was just the best. And I lived in London for 2 years. I danced at the Moulin Rouge in Paris for a year, and then I had to move back home to Australia, and I didn't want to do that. My visa expired. And like you said, this was 2010, and ended up in hospital with a whole host of different health issues, physical health issues. My body was completely shutting down. Like, I had autoimmune issues, I had hormone issues, thyroid issues, chronic fatigue, adrenal fatigue, all these things. And then I was also dealing with a lot of mental health issues as well, like anxiety and depression and eating issues. And it was probably the darkest point in my life. And When I was in hospital, I was in there for a week. And what actually tipped me over the edge to put me in hospital was I got the cold sore virus. And I'd never had a cold sore before in my life. And I had them all over my face, in my mouth, and down my throat.

Oh my God, the worst.

It was the worst. Like someone that I saw a few days after it all had happened was like, it looked like someone had taken a blowtorch to my face, like from here down. Was just like— and by that time it then all had scabbed. So it was just like one big giant scab. And I couldn't even open my mouth. I couldn't talk. It was wild. I was on morphine. I was on antibiotic drips, antiviral drips. Like, it was wild. And in that hospital bed was like the biggest life-changing moments for me. I had just met some new friends that I'd made at Kundalini Yoga in Sydney, and they had sent me a care package. And I thought that was just so sweet. 'Cause I'd only like just met them like a few weeks ago. My boyfriend in London dumped me. My friends back in Australia dumped me. I had no job. I was sleeping on my friend's sister's couch. I had no car, no money to my name. I was like, what am I going to do with my life? And then I ended up in the hospital. And so these new friends, they sent me this care package. And in the care package was like, angel cards and crystals and Ayurvedic herbs and all these things. And there was a book in there that changed my life. And that book was Louise Hay's, You Can Heal Your Life. So good. Everyone needs to read that book. It's really interesting because once I read that, I'd always said to myself, I want to create the modern day, You Can Heal Your Life. And people now say to me, your book was like your Louise Hay's, You Can Heal Your Life for them. And I'm like, oh my gosh, that means so so much to me. And so I'm reading this book and I turned to my mom and I was like, why didn't you tell me this? Like, why didn't you teach me that we create our own reality and that you are a product of your thoughts and you co-create with the universe? And I was like, why didn't you teach me this stuff, Mom? And she was like, oh darling, you know, I was doing the best that I could. And absolutely, my parents are amazing and they were and are doing the best that they can. But that really perplexed me. Like, why was I never taught these secrets of the universe. And this voice then came to me. It was like, if you get healthy and if you get healthy again, you will— no, what did— wait, let me reframe that. This voice came to me and said, if you sort your life out, you will live a life beyond your wildest dreams. And I was like, okay, so what does sorting my life out mean? The first thing for me was like, I have to get healthy again. Like, I have to work out. Why my body is not working. Like I had acne as well. I had eczema all over my body. I had hives. I had white patches all over my skin. Like my body was just an absolute mess. And it's, you know, it was probably from the years of partying, the years of pushing my body, you know, the years of not taking care of myself. And then I made it my mission in that hospital. I was like, I need to get happy and healthy again. I need to make that my mission. And I also realized in that hospital bed that so many of my belief systems, my stories that I was telling myself were not actually mine. Like, I was like, my money beliefs, they're my dad's, you know, my beliefs around health, they're my mom's. And that was really exciting for me. To have that realization. Because in that moment, I realized that I get to choose. And I had this thought that surely God didn't put us here to suffer. Surely that wasn't his plan. And I, I really realized and took on board there that I was responsible for getting myself there, and I was the only one that could get myself out. And like, from that hospital bed, I got out I borrowed the money to like study nutrition from my parents and I just went for it. I became a certified health coach and my whole career just kind of went from there. And yeah, coming back to your question, like I didn't know what I was doing. I just kept putting one foot in front of the other. And like I started this thing called a blog and I started sharing what I was learning about health and about my thoughts. And I began studying great teachers and masters of mindset and things like that. And I went to every personal development, every personal development workshop I could go to and dove deep into the world of spirituality, wellness, and entrepreneurship. Kept on putting one foot in front of the other and it all just snowballed up after that. Then I get asked to be a motivational speaker for Lululemon Australia. And then I get a book deal. And then, you know, all these things just kept on presenting themselves to me. And I truly believe that that was because I kept on following what was true for me and what lit me up. There wasn't much logical strategic thought around the process. It was more just like, I wanna do this, I'm gonna follow that. I wanna do this, I'm gonna follow that. I'm gonna do this. And to be honest, like it was more like in the later years, like it became so strategic that it actually pulled the joy out of it. And it's almost like now the last couple of years I'm coming full circle back to what really lights me up. And you know this, like when you have little kids, it has to be so good to take you away from your children. I remember when I first had Bambi, who's 4 and 3/4, and I remember going back off maternity leave and I had a beautiful maternity leave, but I remember coming back off maternity leave and sitting in a Facebook ads meeting for an hour with our Facebook ads team. And I just cried when I got off that hour meeting, 'cause I was like, that just took me away from my daughter for 1 hour and it didn't light me up. And I know you've got to do things like, like that, but like, it just was like a big aha for me that when you have children, everything becomes so much clearer in the sense that if it doesn't light you up, don't do it. It's, it's just got to be so good to take me away from them. You know what I mean?

100%. There's so much juiciness in what you just shared there. I'm like, where do I even start? Because it's like when you're starting in a way as well, you kind of have a bit more freedom to do that, right? To just be like, what's gonna feel good? And I feel like things get a bit heavier as you start to have like responsibilities and kids and mortgages and things like that. And then as you said, it kind of makes your— it weighs down a little bit on, on your business and you have to like make decisions based on all these other things. So in those early days when you were blogging and everything like that, like were you also like coaching or monetizing that somehow? Like what were you actually doing back then?

Yes, absolutely. Okay. So I did my nutrition studies and I became a certified holistic health coach and I started coaching one-on-one.

Okay.

So I was making money through one-on-one coaching and then I had online programs and then I had speaking gigs and I ran my own events. So I started running my own events and like my first workshop was like in a yoga studio or a Pilates studio. I can't remember in North Sydney. And there was like 15 people and That was how I like just started making money in all these different ways. And then from there I added on like life coaching and business coaching certifications. And I did like my yoga teacher training and my meditation teacher training and acuenergetics because I wanted to pull like spirituality into business because that's such a huge part of who I am. And also like 80% of success is mindset and the inner work, 20% is the strategy. So that's how I, first started monetizing in those early, early days, it was the, the one-on-one coaching. It was group programs, events, and speaking gigs. That was like at the start. But at the, the very first thing was one-on-one coaching.

Yeah. Amazing. But that's still awesome that like, you know, you didn't really have much business background and you just started making like an event and the coaching and doing these different things without like, you know, having a business background, so to speak. So, 'cause you know, a lot of people, I think they get so caught up in like, what strategy should I views and this and that. So it sounds like what you're saying is that it worked despite you not having kind of the business skills. It was just like following the nuggets and the passion was enough. Would you agree, or like did you have to seek out advice somewhere?

Uh, I definitely did both. Okay, so yes, um, I definitely got mentors to help me. My dad is an entrepreneur and a business owner, so like I, I've often— I've told the story about how like I was selling, um, my first gig was like when I was probably like, I was in primary school, so I'm not sure exactly, but I would walk up and down my street. We lived in a cul-de-sac street with my brother selling my dad's work shirts. So with his company logo.

That's hilarious.

My dad was like, "Why? No one's gonna buy my shirt." Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I made my brother wear one of the shirts and I put on a piece of A4 paper size small, $3, medium, $4, large. Like, I don't know why they went up in that. I don't know why.

More material.

Yeah, more material. And then I just pinned it on with safety pins. And so I pushed my little dolly's trolley up and down the street of where I lived with my brother. And I'd knock on the door and I would say, would you like to buy one of my dad's work shirts? And this is what they look like. And I would present my brother and I'd make him spin around and here's the prices. And I think everyone just bought them just because they were—

It's like cute little kids. Yeah.

Trying to be kind. But like that entrepreneurial blood has always been within me because he's always had his own business. And I always knew, like I was always that kid in high school. Like I always knew I was not going to follow the mold. Like, I just knew that that wasn't my path. I didn't exactly know what was gonna happen, but after year 12, I got, um, I applied for a Bachelor of Business majoring in marketing, and I got accepted because I did really well in school. But I always knew performing was what I really wanted to do.

Yeah.

So I deferred my uni course for 6 months and then another 6 months, and then it got to that point where, um, like I said to my parents, like, let me show you that this this is gonna work, and if it doesn't after like the first 6 months and then a year, I will go to uni. And I just made it work. And, you know, they were like, you know, they've always been so supportive of what— they've never pressured me to do anything, which is really beautiful. Um, so, you know, and that's something that I like want to take on with my children too, like never to pressure them to go a certain way. Um, just let them follow what's lighting them up.

Yeah, definitely. So yeah, so like so many parents do kind of like even unknowingly put that expectation on their child. Um, and so what would you say to someone listening that's like, so should I like, do I need more of a strategy? Do I need to think things through or do I need to just follow this, what comes through? Because you talked about getting downloads as well. Like how, what's your relationship between that, like just trust and listening for the downloads versus thinking about, you know, what your goals are and what you want to achieve and like creating a strategy to achieve all of that?

I think it's so different now. Okay. So like, this is like 15 years ago. I feel like it's so different now. And I definitely think there has to be a bit of a mix. Like I would not say just go and follow, like, and don't have a, you know, a bit of a strategy. Like I def— and this is what I teach is like, I want you to have like, firstly, you need to get clear on what it is that you actually want in your business. How much revenue do you wanna make? Like, what do you want your life to look like? Like I talk about with my clients, like let's design your life for you for this season of your life. What do you want? Not what so-and-so on Instagram has, like let's get really clear on what it is that you want. And then we go about creating that. Like, well, and how much, like, How much money do you actually need to make to live that life? Like get clear, like how, stop burying your head in the sand with your finances. Like look at your business expenses, look at your personal life expenses. How much do you need to live a year just personally? That's not paying contractors or staff. Like how much do you actually need? And then you reverse engineer, and get clear on, okay, like, and yes, always follow your heart.

Always.

Like if you do anything just for money, I can guarantee it will not succeed or it will to a certain degree, but you will pay the price later somewhere else. Yeah. So there has to be like, yes, you can make great money and do it because you want to, because you want to serve, you want to help these women or men or whatever it is. So I think having Having a mix of like strategy and also your heart and soul is a recipe for success.

Yeah, I love what you said, 'cause it's almost like rather than like, should I do this or that? It's almost like the order. It sounds like you're saying you have to start with the vision and the passion and what you love, and then you bring in the strategy to bring that to life versus just being like, I wanna make like $500K next year, and so this is the strategy that like is most likely to do that. And then trying to be like, what do I like? You know, it has to be start with what you're passionate about and then infuse in the strategy.

100%. Like I have a client and she came to me and she's had many other business coaches. And she came to me and she was like, I've just had this business coach tell me that I should do this because my audience wants this because we surveyed my audience and they want this. And she's like, but I can't do it. My heart and soul is not in that anymore. I cannot do it. I want to do this over here. And I said to her, I promise you that if you do that, you will be extremely resentful. And even though your audience is saying, I want this, It's so tricky because it's very easy to follow that. But like, if it doesn't light you up, eventually your audience is going to feel that. They're going to feel that you're not really in it.

Yeah.

It doesn't really, you know, juice you up anymore. And maybe it did, but like you've evolved.

Yeah.

And that's the thing. Like your audience is going to evolve as you evolve.

Yourself.

You know, I've been online since 2011. And yeah, my audience has grown with me. And that's a beautiful thing. And I think, you know, I've had many business coaches say, you should do this. This is the, this is a great idea for you. And I'm like, no, doesn't light me up. Yeah. So I think the moral of the story here is like, yes, strategy and heart. And this is what I teach my clients. You— that's like the, the chef's kiss recipe to success.

Yeah. And what do you think gave you the kind of confidence and self-trust to be so strong to do that? Because I think a lot of people, they're just like, okay, cool, I'll do it, that's what my coach told me to do. Or they're like, should I do this or should I do that? Or there's so much uncertainty. How do you think you've cultivated that, like, trust within to just follow your heart?

I think I've done so much inner work. I have done so much inner spiritual work. And the older I get, the more clear I am with what is important to me and how important living in alignment with my core values are. Like, I've had so many people, so many people say to me, you would be way more successful like if you moved to LA or New York or Austin, like you would be so much more successful. And I'm like, yeah, and I actually love where I live. And, or you would be so much more successful or you would have so much more money if you did this. And I'm like, okay, thank you. And you know, it has to be in alignment with my core values for where I'm at in my life. And the way that you cultivate more self-trust is it's in the micro. It's any time that you say you're gonna do something and you don't do it, that erodes self-trust. So for example, you say you're gonna go to the gym and you don't, erodes self-trust. You say you're gonna launch this and you let fear stop you, that erodes self-trust. So it's like these micro things that build the self-trust each day, that when we do those, that just compounds, you know?

Yeah.

And I also think, um, being in a space like a community of women who are expanders, you know, you and I have talked about this offline so much about how important that is, is like having the right people around you who are your biggest cheerleaders, your allies, your expanders, and not like putting you down or—

Yeah. And just seeing what's possible instead of like, it has to be this way or that way. It's like, well, maybe there's a new reality, or can I find evidence of someone else that's doing it in a different way? And stop, like a lot of times we're kind of boxing ourselves in or limiting ourselves thinking we have to do X to achieve Y. Like you can only have like a business or be a great mom, or there's so many things like that that you think are trade-offs. And it's like, how can we find people, even if they're not right beside you, even online, but just to see, okay, well, this person is doing it. And it's not about comparison or trying to like make yourself feel bad because you see someone else is doing it, but actually to inspire and just say, not that I'm trying to be that other person or copy them, but just like, if they can do it, why can't I?

Exactly. That's why getting in the rooms with expander women are so important in business and in life. Like, I remember I saw one of my friends, she wrote a book and like had a bestselling book. And I saw her do that. And I was like, she can do that, so can I. And if that person can start a business and make money, so can I. And I watched one of my friends' birth videos, home water birth videos. She showed me, I'll be forever grateful to her because I watched that and went, she can do that, so can I. And I did, I had two dream at-home water births, you know? So it's like, You have to put yourself in the space where that's other people's everyday. That's how you expand.

Yeah.

But you know, when you are— and that's why I love my spaces, you know, that I've created. It's like, if you are around people that think limitedly, that are putting you down, your dreams down, like that becomes your reality. That's saying you are a product of the 5 most prominent people in your life. Like, I'm like, it's so true.

And how seriously do you take that? Like, are you strict with who you will spend time with? Like, talk to me a little bit about that.

Very. Yeah, very. Like, and also, like, I am in the season of little kids, as you are. So like, they are— family is like one of my top priorities. Like, my husband is number one, and, and my kid, then my kids, you know, and myself, my self-care, and my, my business and my mission. And like my social life, it comes there at the moment. You know, this is like the season that I'm in, and I want to be the best, most present, loving mother. And I take that role really seriously. And I am like very mindful of where I put my energy and also like who I let my children associate with too, because you become the product of the people you surround yourself with. Yeah, you know. Yeah, it's so important.

It's so important. And I think this is where we have to be, because, you know, there's a lot of people pleasing in general with women, as I'm sure you've probably been through it in your life. I know I've definitely had to work through it. And, you know, you want to be a nice person. And I think especially also, we're both quite spiritual. We want to be better people in general, like spiritually and just in general. And then it almost seems like there's a conflict then when you're like, excuse me, being discerning with who you are spending time with, 'cause you don't wanna be mean or leave anyone out and things like that. But something I've had to really work through as well this year is like, I've had to, in some instances, like somewhat distance myself from a couple of people that were like super negative. And I felt bad about that because I was like, oh, like they're going through a hard time or whatever. But it was just like, I just noticed like all the time it was just complain, complain, complain. I'd feel a bit like down after. And so it's like, yeah, can you speak to that a little bit? Like, what would you say to someone that's like, I really want to like uplevel the people that I'm around and be inspired by them, but I don't also, I feel bad, like, you know, not like not including people and being distant or anything like that.

Yeah, well, You know, Kabbalah teaches never to judge. We never judge anyone else or ourselves. Every time we judge, we're actually pushing our manifestations away. So we want to be really mindful of like judging other people and where they're at. And I think, you know, they also talk about in Kabbalah, bread of shame, which is where you give advice, unsolicited advice for someone who is not asking for it. That's called bread of shame. And we don't want to do that too, because like, it's— I don't know if you've had people do it to you where they're like, you should do this, and you're like, like, just let me be my own person. Yeah, let me live. Um, and most of the time it never lands anyway. Like, you think about your— like, my parents, when they've tried to tell me things, I'm like, just let me go on my own journey. Um, Um, so it's the same sort of thing. So I study Kabbalah really deeply. I love it. And, you know, it's really important, like I said, that we don't judge other people. And I think— and you still get to choose where you put your energy. You still get to decide that for yourself. Like, do I want to put my energy there, or do I want to actually be with my children? You know, it's like I said, it comes back to the business. It's got to be so good to take me away from my children. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, it's got to be— it's got to light me up spiritually, emotionally, intellectually to, to take me away from my kids. Like, and if it doesn't, it's a, it's a no thank you, you know? So I think, yeah, try— we try not to be judgmental. And then like, just come back to your core values. Like, if one of your core values is your family, like, yeah, it's got to be so good to take you away from that.

You know, I love that because, yeah, just speaking of like Kabbalah and things like that, I also just recently used it like even with my kids because, you know, I'm sure anyone that has little kids, you go into like a store or something like that and they want like everything. So I've had to like just say to Elsie, you know, you can— which is your favorite? What do you want the most? Because I was like, I don't want to put these like limiting scarcity things in her by being like, you can't have like X. But then obviously I also don't want to be like, yeah, sure, go into Organica and get like one of everything, you know? So it's like, what's your absolute favorite? So maybe that's a good way of just reframing it in your mind. If you are trying to just going into 2026 and you're looking at your circle and you're looking at the people around you and you're wanting to tap into the people that just really make you feel amazing, that it's not about it like reframing it from like, you know, excluding anyone or distancing from anyone. It's more about choosing the people that really light you up over anyone else. So maybe that's a better reframe. But it is still so important because I think a lot of women in particular are in that kind of people pleasing that they, they just feel like to be a nice person, they don't edit their circle and they don't edit the people around them because they don't want to feel bad or guilty about doing it. But you do have to be so mindful because energy is absolutely everything. And if you are leaving a situation, whether it's a person, a place, an event, whatever it is, and you're feeling worse than when you went, you know, that's fine if it's like a one-off and something's happening. But I think if that's happening again and again with certain situations or people, it's time to think, okay, do I, do I want this to be my energy as well?

Absolutely. It's so important. And for your kids too, like, we get to curate their environments. And like, I've seen it with Bambi, like when she's been in environments with children that are new and I didn't know or whatever, and then her behavior is different. And I'm like, wow, that was instant. And also in a negative way, like it was, yeah. I'm like, oh, that's so interesting. And I imagine that if she repeatedly hung out with that person every day, then like that would become her reality. But it didn't, it was just a one-off, but it was just so interesting to witness, you know?

Yeah, definitely. And so right now, what do you think is like helping guide you with like your mindset just on a day-to-day basis of like staying connected to your values and staying connected to being the person that you wanna be?

I go over my core values. They're in my phone. Like I reread them all the time. And I'm like, yep. Okay. And then by rereading them, I'm like, oh yeah, am I doing that? Am I at, like, to be really honest with you, like I had my hus— like there would be Nick like sliding down the list and I'm like, hang on a minute. Like that's not what I want. So like by rereading them, I'm like, our relationship is the foundation on which everything is built.

Yeah.

Like I, and I talk about this in Open Wide, my second book. It's the glue, the foundation of our family, of our businesses, of everything. And when that is solid, everything else does flow a lot more effortlessly. So like that has to be up the top with my own self-care, you know?

Yeah.

And I had a mentor once say to me, probably 7 years ago, he was on my podcast and he said to me, we were talking about this topic and he said, my wife comes first and then my 2 daughters. And I was like, whoa. Like I was like taken aback. I was like, whoa, over your children? And he was like, absolutely. My wife comes first because that is the glue. And that like has always stuck with me because Yeah. They, you know, when you're caring for two little kids, it's like easy for them to slip down the core values and the priorities list. But that's when then resentment builds and your sturdy foundation starts to crack.

Yeah.

You know, and then you can't show up in your work or you're not showing up in your work as the highest value version of yourself because there's these cracks back here. So I know when like Nick and I are thriving, like everything else seems to be thriving. You know, like we're like rocking parenting. We're just having more fun. Our businesses are thriving. We're making more money. Like, but when we are like not, there's cracks everywhere.

Yeah. It's so interesting though. 'Cause I've experienced the same thing. Absolutely. But there's, I feel like there's something there that I'm still just like, I don't know exactly what it is yet, but it's like, something around like, obviously, if you are in a relationship with your partner and, you know, it's kind of like fun and like you've got your sexuality and you're like a woman and it's like, you know, you're not just like mom mode and like your husband and your self-care down the very bottom of the list, like that does make you a more confident person, right? And so I don't know why that is, but I feel like, you know, you can still be confident single, but you know you're single and you like just, you're kind of choosing yourself, but it's like you're choosing yourself or you're choosing your relationship, it kind of makes you more confident. And then that reflects out into like work. So, you know, obviously everyone these days that has a business, you have to be on social media, you have to be on reels, you're putting yourself out there. And I just feel like if you've lost yourself and your relationship down to the bottom of the list, like it's very hard to then be magnetic and confident and like feeling yourself to like show up on like a live video? Like, what, like, what are your thoughts on that?

Yeah, totally. Let's talk about confidence because it's like I've always thought of myself and felt like I was a very confident person. And then I had Bambi. And for the first time in my life, I felt so low in confidence and it really rattled me. I was like, what is going on? Like, I've always been a confident, bubbly, outgoing, extroverted generator Aries. Like, I've always been that person. And I realized it's because I've never done this before. I'd never been a mother before, and I needed to experience that in order to heal that within myself. And come to like that true strength and confidence within myself. So it's really interesting. Like I feel like as well, the way that social media and TikTok and all of these things, like it's very easy to look at these platforms and instantly feel low confidence within yourself.

Yeah.

They are designed to make you do that. Those platforms are designed to be the highlight reel. Designed to make you feel like your relationship isn't good. You're not traveling enough. You're not a good parent.

Like, don't have designer handbags. Yes.

Like all the things, like that's what those platforms are designed to do. And we have to remember that. Like, it's almost like before you go on, it's like you need to like read something or like remind yourself like, this is the highlight reel. This is not someone's totality of their life. This is the highlight reel. This is the highlight reel. This is the highlight reel. Get on there, post, do your comments, and then get off.

Mm-hmm.

You know?

Yeah.

Just remind yourself of that because that's one of the things that starts to erode trust and confidence with, like we were talking about trust before, but like confidence within yourself.

Mm-hmm.

Like you're every day getting on there and then like, oh yeah, like I'm not doing enough with my kids. I'm not spending enough time with my kids. I'm not making enough money. That person's making so much money. My house doesn't look like that. I'm not sure I should be in Europe. Like all these things. And it's crazy. We were never exposed to this many people's worlds. Like, do you remember growing up? Like you knew what like your neighbor was doing that day and maybe your cousin if you called them. Like we know now what, millions of people are doing every day, what they ate for breakfast. We're exposed to so much more information and content, and it's, it's a lot. So I am so strict with my boundaries with it because if I'm not, like, it affects me, it affects my mental health. So I'm like very, very strict with my boundaries around it.

Yeah, that's so good. I like need to be stricter myself because, you know, like, I, I go in cycles and it's like a slippery slope and then you're just like back in. But yeah, I think having kids definitely shifts a lot because I think I put a, like a lot of my confidence came from external dress, like, you know, living in Sydney, dressing up, going to events, like, you know, networking and like, you know, you're dressed up and everything like that. So, and you're probably getting the like slaps on the back, just like, good job, good job when you do these different things. And then you move somewhere like Noosa, which is like very quiet, very family. You've got kids, you're not going out anywhere. You're not getting any pats on the back for anything. You're not getting any claps because you're just living a bit more of a quiet life. And it really starts to expose those areas of your life that you're like seeking that external validation. I know for me anyway, that was the case. But I know a lot of women, it is like having kids. It can really strip back that confidence. But it can be a beautiful thing as well because even though it's quite painful, it's like you're rebuilding— well, you have the opportunity to rebuild your confidence from a more real genuine place that it's like, yeah, I can still go to events and like dress up and everything like that. And, and that's not what makes me confident. That's just something I do 'cause I like to do it, but it's not who I am and you know, what makes me me. So what do you think it was for you with the confidence? Was it like with having kids? Do you know what it was that shifted that made you feel a little bit less confident? Was it like getting used to new, doing new things?

I think, I just wanna also, before I talk about that, say like, it's yes. So what you've done is like build true confidence. Like before that it was external ego confidence. Exactly. And I guess that's probably what mine was built on too, like achieving and things like that. So having a baby exposed that wound that needed healing in order to build true confidence within myself, like true worthiness and all of that. So I think it's just purely like something new. Like I've never done this and I just doubted myself. So, so much self-doubt came up. Like, am I doing this right? Like, is she okay? Like, am I enough? Should I be playing baby Mozart to her? Like, I'm not even joking. Like, I literally thought that. Um, like, am I doing enough? Like, you know, all the things. So I believe that it was brought up because it needed to be healed. It was ego confidence and it needed to be shattered so that I could find true confidence within myself. And the thing is, is like, we are all perfect, beautiful, whole beings. There's no such thing like our true essence of like low confidence or low self-worth. Like they're all just stories that we've told ourselves from things that have happened to us. But like at our core essence is like a whole being. And then there's just like mud and stuff that we've like slapped on top. And we need to like remove all of that and come back to our core essence. Sense of like wholeness, you know?

Yeah, 100%. I did like a very powerful plant medicine journey this year, as I shared with you previously, but I had this vision at one point and it was like literally like a sticky cobweb all around me that I was like pulling off, like physically. It was like a visceral thing, but it's like, that's literally what it is. It's just these, like, you are this yourself, your pure self, and then there's these layers that just get stuck to us like glue and like cobwebs almost that just build up, but we can remove them as well, which is powerful to think that we can do that even though it's painful at the time. And I think, you know, something we both subscribe to is that idea that everything is being put in your path for you, you know. So that's— it's not that, like, so if anyone's listening, they're like, I'll never get over this lack of confidence or whatever, it's like, this is an opportunity to, to grow past that as well. And like, when you look at it like that, it makes it a little bit less daunting 'cause it's like, this is here to make me feel even better. And yeah, I mean, were there any practices that you had to work through that and navigate through that confidence when you had Bambi? Were there things that you did to help?

Oh, it wasn't really until I started studying Kabbalah that really shifted for me. Yeah, that has been a game changer. Like, and you know, in Kabbalah they talk about everything. Happening for you. Everything that happens in your life is for your growth, is for your evolution. And that can be a hard pill for some people to swallow, you know, like, how can you say that this is happening for me? But the creator is putting it in front of you so you can evolve, so you can rise it wouldn't have put it there if it didn't think that you could handle it and want you to become that version of yourself on the other side of it.

Yeah.

The alternative is, is to play victim. Why is this happening to me? This is unfair. Blame victim mentality. Or you go, okay, this is hurting and that's okay. We're allowed to feel sad. We're allowed to feel annoyed, pissed off, angry, resentful. Of course you're allowed to feel all of those things. And the creator, God, universe, whatever you believe in, it's there for you to grow, to expand, because it wants you to step into the highest version of yourself. Because on the other side of that is the highest version of yourself. And so having that mentality has changed everything for me. Everything. Because you can no longer sit in victim. And that doesn't mean some days I'm like, "What? What?" But I can still say, "What?" But I don't say, "Why? Why is this happening to me?" I go, "What? Okay. Okay. Pull on my boots and let's go." let's go. Like, what is the lesson in this? And it's just such a better way to live, for me anyway.

Yeah.

You know, it just— and I look at, I look at my business through that lens and my life through that lens. And that doesn't mean that I am like, everything's perfect and I don't feel pain or sadness. I feel all those things. And I'm like, okay, what is this here to teach me? Because when you say, why is this happening to me? You're saying that God or the creator is wrong because God or the creator put that there. And when you say, why, why? You're saying, why did you do that? You're like, you know, doubting. So yeah, that's how I look at things now. And it's changed everything for me. Everything. And it's all part of our, our growth. Everything.

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. It's, it's interesting. There's like a concept I've been kind of like working on with my coach this year, which is this idea of like karmic debt. So almost like where you do subscribe to, you know, spirituality and that like everything is your responsibility and you've created everything in your life, you know, but where that's also can be like you feel like, oh, there's something like I haven't learned the lesson yet, so I'm not, you know, I'm going to be punished or there's something bad coming because I haven't fully grasped this. Have you ever experienced anything like that?

Yes. Can I tell you the Kabbalah perspective on that? Um, so they call it tikkun in Kabbalah, like, and like, I guess karma, tikkun, like soul correction. And it's like what your soul has come here to learn in this lifetime. And if you don't get it, it's like you're, you're going to keep learning it in this lifetime. And, or if you still don't get it at the end of this one, you'll come back and you'll get, you'll have to do it all again. So yeah, it's like, and in Kabbalah, they can look at your astrology and tell you your soul correction by looking at your Kabbalistic astrology. And so maybe one of yours might be people pleasing or control or whatever it is. There's a whole list of them. But yeah, like maybe one of yours is control or, and I'm speaking one of anyone's is control. And so it will keep creating experiences for you to transcend that, to heal that. Otherwise you'll just come back and do it again and again. So there is no— in Kabbalah, there's no punishing. There's no, yeah, there's no punishing. And that's why I don't, like I used to say karma, but like, it kind of has a negative connotation. That's why I like soul correction.

Yeah.

Um, and so yeah, I used to say karmic debt, but that kind of feels like it's something that I've got to keep doing where like my soul correction, I'm like, I know I'm gonna get this. Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna get this in this lifetime. Yeah, so that it doesn't happen in the next one.

Yeah, and then it's not something that's like scaring you into action. It's like having that trust that like you're working through it. Yeah, and it's all gonna happen, and it's not like, you know, you're not overly also trying to control your healing as well. Yeah, I mean, yeah, trying to be like, when is this going to be fixed or whatever? And just like knowing it's like a continuous evolution as well as we go through everything. So yeah, that's so interesting. So I'd love to talk to you because like you've obviously had some incredible bestselling books and you go, you talk about pretty personal things in them as well. Like, you know, Open Wide, you know, you talk a lot about relationships, you share a lot very vulnerably and I would love to know how you feel about that, like how you've been able to do that, because I know personally, and I'm sure for a lot of people listening, there's a fear of putting things out there and kind of going there, going beyond just like the facts and the figures and logistical books, but really talking about some personal things or just some out-there concepts that people might not be as familiar, open to yet. How have you had the courage to do that?

It's actually gotten harder as I've gotten more into my business and as, um, my journey has come along. So like, I reflect back and writing my 4 books, I'm like, it was so easy. There was like, it was just so effortless and so easy sharing those things. And I think now it's like there's there's so many more people online. It's, um, there's this— people are more and more less afraid of saying mean things and, and that whole cyberbullying and all of that. So I feel like it's, um, I've gotten less and less aware of it, um, but I think it's also you have to share, like, you are a brand and you know this, like, you are a brand. Yeah. And so it makes sense for me to share what is in alignment with my brand. Like, what are my core pillars? Like, what is, what is my, like, I am not a fashion influencer, so I'm never going to like speak about that. Or, um, so I think you've gotta get clear on on what are you about as a brand, and then you can share stories that are in alignment with that and those pillars. I think it's really important. I think the way that AI is, is going, people are wanting more and more personal stories, are wanting, um, that intimacy. And don't ever feel like you have to share anything just for the gram. Like, don't do that. Like I've had many, many people say to me, like, I shared this and I have a vulnerability hangover. And I'm like, well, why did you share it? And they'll say, because I thought I should, or because it will get the likes and the comments. And I'm like, no, don't do it for that reason. Do it because you want to, or because it's coming from the right place, from your heart. So I think, when you share vulnerably, it has to be in alignment with your brand, and it has to feel good, and there has to be a point to it. Like, don't just share, don't just like, you know, yeah, yeah, share because it is part of the story that your ideal customer can resonate with. Um, and how I've I've kind of dealt with that over the years is like, I've actually got more and more private over the years, more and shared less and less and more and more private. Like I don't share my children online, which is a huge part of my life. There is like a part of me that wants to share them because I love them so much. They're so gorgeous. I want to share them, but I'm not, it's not like, It wouldn't make sense, like, unless I was like doing something totally around motherhood, but like, it's part of my brand in the sense that like, I am a mother and I'm creating this business and it's part of the story, but it's not the story. So it doesn't really need to be in there. But I think you just need to be discerning. Like, is it going to support your audience, your ideal client? What is the moral of the story.

Yeah.

Um, but if you share from the right place, it should feel, you know, inspiring.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because there's different, like, schools of thought out there. It's like, you know, you hear people are like, okay, well, you want to be seen as the expert, right? Like, but at the same time, I think there's— there is that just balance you want to hit, because no one just wants to hear about, like, here's 5 ways you can do X, you know? And I think just sharing this like deeper stories just allows you to get to know people on, on a more human level. And I guess it does come back to like your why and your values. Like you said, like for me, I mean, I went through depression myself for a couple of years and things like that. So I've always like wanted to share like the hard sides of my life in ways as well. And I feel like, but I've got a strong reason for that to be like, I'm like, if there's anyone that like is going through something that just to see that like you can still have good things in your life and there's shit things happening too. So even though it feels really uncomfortable in the moment, sometimes I'm like, I don't wanna add to this narrative that like everything is just perfect all the time. And even though this is uncomfortable and there's no agenda behind me sharing this because it's, I'm not selling anything. It's like talking about failures and stuff, but that's kind of my why. So would you say like, is there anything else that you would like, any other lens that you'd look at that through or?

Yeah. Oh, I love this. I also subscribe to the two things can be true.

Yes.

You know, we've spoken about this in parenting.

Yeah.

But like, I also feel like two things can be true in all areas of your life. Like you can feel immensely grateful and so lit up by your work and, and, you know, killing it in your work, and your children are going through something really hard, you know, like, that's true, and that's true, and you can feel grateful here or sad there and then happy there. And like, you can, you know, all— there's the full spectrum. Like, we're not one-dimensional. Yeah, we're not. Um, and, and I think the way that AI— the world is going with AI, like, people are wanting more humanness and stories, more in-person. Like, this is the trend I'm seeing in 2026 is there's going to be a huge shift into more in-person, more in-person things, and then also, uh, just more, uh, storytelling through the work as opposed to 5 ways to grow your business or 5 ways to this or whatever. It's like people want to learn through your, your lessons and what you've been through. Like, that, that's what makes me lean in, you know?

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And it's like people can take away what they want then from that story. You don't have to like spell it out to people, you know? It's like sharing an experience and then people can take what they want. Um, I love that. So obviously, just speaking about like what to share and things like that, like another thing that you've done really well is like, you know, you've navigated working with your husband for a lot of your business as well. Which obviously leads to even more, in some ways, complications in a way of like, what do we share as a family? But then we're also in business. So it's like you've got those different roles and relationships within the business. And I know a lot of people listening also work with partners and things like that. How, how did that even come about that Nick got involved in your business? How did that even start?

Yes. So when we first got together, so we've literally worked together For, yeah, pretty much our entire relationship. Wow. So it was, um, when we first got together, I was, I was running my business and I was, I had group programs, I had events. I hadn't done my book yet, like that happened when I was with Nick, and my podcast. But I was doing online programs, I had ebooks, I did one-on-one coaching, I was a speaker, I was running my own events. Touring around Australia, doing all of that before I met him. Then when I met him, um, he was like, wow. Like, he was really, um, you know, that was one of the things that really drew him— like, drew me to him— was like, he was like, you know, very attracted to not just who I was as a person, but he's like, your work ethic, your drive, like what you've created. Like, he loved that about me. And it was like a little, you know, a couple of months in, he was like, have you 'Have you seen your Google Analytics?' And I was like, 'No, like never looked at it.' He's like, 'Do you know how many unique page visits you're getting per month?' And I was like, 'No.' And he told me the number and I was like, 'Is that good?' And he was like, 'Babe, like you don't understand what a gold mine you're sitting on.' And I was like, 'It's never been about that for me.' Yeah, it had always been about helping people and I didn't care about the numbers and I didn't, like, it was just I just wanted to help people. I just wanted to help women like live their best life in all areas of their life. And so then he was like, he had studied digital marketing, online marketing, like he'd done, you know, the Jeff Walker and all of that. So he is a musician. Um, and then he worked with one of his friends, um, on the side who's helping him build a meditation app and platform. And so he had all of that internet marketing experience. And so then when he met me, he was like, let me infuse all the entrepreneurial internet marketing wisdom and experience I have into your business. And I was like, sure. Yeah, try that. You know? And so we just started, it was like not formal. Like you are now in the business. It was, he was more just like, let me just help you with this launch. And I was like, okay. So he'd just like help me with the launch while still doing his music. He had an, he had an entrepreneurial digital magazine called Aspire. And he put me on the COVID of Aspire. Like, Danielle Laporte was on that. Like, all of these incredible people were on the COVID of that magazine for each issue. And he put me on the COVID of that magazine and interviewed me, and it was amazing. And so yeah, he— it wasn't like, you are now retiring and you're coming into my business. It was more just like, let me help you, whilst he still built his business, uh, his, uh, music. Um, and he was like an investor, and he had some other things that he was doing. So it was kind of like another thing that he did. He's like true manifesting generator, like got his fingers in like 15 pies. And so yeah, it wasn't like a formal thing. And then just kept on going. And like, we had such huge success, like multiple 7-figure launches and all these things and just kept on going from there. And it was awesome. Like the success and the things that we created together, like we did, a tour together. So with my second book, Open Wide, which is all about relationships, he wrote a song called Open Wide, and we toured Australia, both of us celebrating his song and his music and the book. And we did a huge show together, and it was awesome. Like, this was pre-kids awesome. It was amazing. It's like one of the highlights of, you know, my career. And the show was like, we infused his music into the story. Like, so it was kind of like music with personal development, spirituality lessons, and meditation all mixed into one. And it was like a transformational experience. It was amazing. And so it's been awesome. We've created amazing things. We've done awesome things. And then it was like a year and a half where he— we both made the decision, we don't want to work together anymore. We just want to be lovers.

When you sold the company.

Yeah, when we sold our company, we were like, let's, let's not work together anymore. And I was like, yeah, I don't want to work together anymore because it is awesome. And of course, two things are true. It's also really hard. Like, amazing and hard.

Yeah.

Um, you know, there's like, sometimes that conversation comes before being lovers. You know, that conversation feeds into around the dinner table and to the bedroom and in the shower. Like, "Oh, did you do that?" It's like drip feeds everywhere. And we were like, "I wonder what it would be like to just be lovers." And we're like, "Let's find out." So that was another reason why we sold the company. And yeah, so we're so excited because we're in that phase now. And it's so funny because we're a great team. We're such a great team. Like you and Neil, like we're such a great team. And he's like, oh, do you want to start this app?

Like, and I'm like, no, no, stay away from me.

Stay away from me. It's like so tempting. It's so tempting. But you know, we never say never. We probably will work together again one day. But we, you know, we're doing life together. You're always working together. Like we have investments together. Investments together and like we're gonna start our commercial property portfolio together. So like there's all those things as well. We parent together. So yeah, but more like specifically in MA, like my business, like he's stepped out of that now, which is super exciting. And yeah, just so much more space.

Yeah.

Which is, yeah. But it's like, I don't want to turn people off because it's It's awesome.

Yeah.

And it's also like, yeah, it's hard too.

Yeah. Because it can be lonely doing it by yourself as well. But I can imagine there would also be like the challenges of, of that dynamic changing and shifting.

Yeah.

And I mean, I love the fact— I mean, something that I think stands out so much to me about just, you know, getting to know you guys better over the past year, it's just like I admire so much that decision as well to to like sell a business and, you know, when you didn't necessarily have the next thing planned. And that just really spoke to the importance you have on your values, you know, because it's that value of your family and your relationship kind of coming first, which takes, I think, a lot of courage, you know, because you've built something that you've poured blood, sweat, and tears into building and you've gotten it to a really successful place. And you still had the courage to, to say, yeah, that's, that's great. And, you know, it's not what we want to be doing next. So how did you come to that decision?

That was a decision that where we put health and family first, and it kind of was spurred on by Nick getting meningitis for the second time. So he had viral meningitis before I met him. Which he was hospitalized for. Actually, we were both in hospital at the same time.

Wow.

Well, the same year. So the same year we were both in hospital. Actually, no, he was 2009, I was 2010. And there was so many parallels that we look back on. Like another one was, I'll just share this one with you, is before we both, before we met each other and got together individually, we didn't know this until after, but we were both reading David Deida's The Way of the Superior Man. And he was reading The Way of the Superior Man. I was reading Dear Lover by David Deida. So his incredible work, if you don't know his work, it's amazing. You and Neil would love it.

Yeah.

We were both reading his books before we got together, which is just so many parallels like that. But he got viral meningitis. Then he was hospitalized. He was so sick. He was, it took him 3 years to recover. He couldn't work. It was horrific. And he got meningitis again and he was in bed for 8 days. The worst, it's not even a headache. It's like you can't even, he was in the dark room with glasses on. He couldn't see any light. It felt like someone had hit him over the head with a baseball bat 50 times.

Oh my God. When was this?

This was the start of this year. Wow. Yeah. So, and like he was in the spare bedroom down the stairs, downstairs.

When you were pregnant or?

No, no, no. Prince was like a few months old.

Oh my gosh.

Yeah. Like maybe 4 months old.

Even harder when he's got like the 2 kids and he's like having to—

Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah. And so he was down in the bedroom downstairs, like in like the little close everything. And he was down there and he literally emerged after like 8 days and he was like, like, I'm done. I can't do this anymore. He's like, my health and my family come first. And he's like, I just can't do it. And I was like, okay. And like, so it was kind of spurred on by him more so than me. Um, and he's like, I have to leave and we have to sell. And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. I was like, whoa, okay, you haven't seen anyone in 8 days.

You don't know what you're saying.

I was I was like, "Let's just back up here. What do you mean? We have a super successful business. What do you mean?" But I had to hear him out. And he's like, "I can't do this anymore because it's not his soul calling." His soul calling is his music. And he's like, "I can't pour any more into this and neglect my soul calling. And it's making me feel resentful. And look at my life, it's so short." I thought, life is not so short. He didn't say that. He's like, life is precious. We only get one and we don't know how long we're here for. And he's like, I have to pour everything into my music. And so yeah, we had that conversation and I was like all on board and we made that decision together. But yeah, that was how it was kind of like spurred on from him getting meningitis again. Wow.

You know, when like—

and you know, when you have big things like that happen, it puts everything into perspective.

Yeah, you know, 100%.

Like, it's just— it's wild.

Yeah, it is. But it's also like just that acceptance and surrender to it as well. And we just— it's kind of bringing the conversation to full circle in a way, because like you could just be like resentful of getting the illness feeling like a victim by having the illness, and then just like pushing yourself to get right back to work, like after you're like recovering, you know? So to, to actually be able to just take stock of where you are, even if it's not where you wanna be, like no one wants to be in bed for 8 days of meningitis, but like allowing that to just be like a lesson and like a redirection of your life is I think just so brave and courageous and there's like a level of trust there to know that whatever, like, you know, it'll work out. Cuz I think a lot of people feel like they make a decision and they're then tied to it. I start— I like, cuz you know, you didn't even have the business that long, right?

Like it was maybe a year and a half. And we grew it to— in the first 5 months we hit $1 million.

Yeah, which is amazing. But you know, like I think a lot of people would be like, oh, it's only been a year and a half, I have to see this through kind of thing. Or like, you know, like I've put I put so much into it, I can't let it go, you know? And it's like, who cares how long it's been? Or like, who cares? So like, you know, if anyone's listening now and there's something happening that they just feel like they're pushing shit uphill in a way, it's like, what if you do just let it all unravel?

And you're allowed to change your mind. Like, you know, for him, like, you're allowed to pivot and you can pivot tomorrow if you want to. You're allowed to pivot in your business if it doesn't light you up, if it doesn't feel good anymore, pivot, pivot fast.

Mm-hmm.

In your relationships, in your health. Like you can change your mind. Like you can go from being a vegan to like eating fish, whatever it is. Like you're allowed to change your mind.

Yeah.

And you don't need to explain yourself. To anyone else. You just have to be true to yourself. I think the biggest disservice you can do to yourself is keep going down the path if your soul is like, don't want to do this anymore, it doesn't feel good anymore, it's not lighting me up anymore. Like, that is one of the biggest disservices to your soul. Yeah, you know?

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Because like, I'm in the midst of a pivot as well at the moment, as you know, and And it's so funny because a couple of weeks ago I would never have thought I'd be able to just like, be like, what do you mean? I can't, I can't like pause what I'm doing. I can't change what I'm doing. I couldn't do that. What would I tell my clients? What would I tell this person? What would I tell that person? And like, just in all the logistics, even though I'm still someone that I think does have a growth mindset, but you still can just get like caught up in what you're doing. And then like now it's just like, I've just let them know we're changing to this, we're doing that. Like there's, there's answers to all of it and it's not that big of a deal. And then you're like, why did I think, like, why did I think it was such a big deal? It's not. Like, people change things every day, all the time. And it's like, as you said, you're allowed to do it since you're not— you have so much more control, or just choice is a better word, than, than we think a lot of the time.

Yeah. And we make it like such a big deal in our head. I'm like, really? No one else really cares. It's not like they— or it's not that they don't care, but like like they're not thinking about it. Yeah, you know.

Yeah.

So like, you have— like with your business, with every area of your life, like you have to come back to what feels true for you because it is going to feel like an uphill battle if you are living in accordance to someone else's ideas of success. Or, you know, whatever it is. And that's not a fun place to be.

100%. 100%. This has been filled with so much wisdom. I would love to just wrap by asking you a little bit about like your day-to-day now. And this is more selfishly for myself, but like when you go from, you know, you're coaching and you're doing this and you're doing that and all that, and then you obviously have let go of that model, waiting for something else to come through in the new year, lots of exciting things. How do you sit in that stillness of just being with the kids and being able to not be on? How do you actually navigate in each day? 'Cause you're also someone that loves to be filled with purpose and doing things work-wise or just things that are on your mission as well as being a mom. How have you kind of navigated those two worlds?

Well, originally, like when we first sold it, it was like a bit tricky for me. And so much identity ego stuff came up, like, who am I without this? There was some big, beautiful inner healing that happened immediately after that. And I still have my podcast, which is great. And I had a couple of high, high-level clients that I was doing some one-on-ones with, but I still had that. So I was still like scratching that itch, but it, Actually was some beautiful, deep transformational healing that happened straight after that has just like catapulted me to a different level of inner contentment and peace. But yeah, some deep stuff came up around identity and ego and stuff that needed to be healed. And then, And yeah, now it's like, it's coming back to what I was saying before. It was like, that needed to happen. The creator put that there for me to go through so that I could heal that. Like, it's all part of my evolution. And now I'm just like in such a space of like, this is exactly where I'm supposed to be right now in my life. And you know about like the surprise things that I'm, about to launch, which is really exciting. But that probably wouldn't have dropped in if I didn't have the space that I had created from selling that company. And yeah, it's, it's coming back to that. Everything is happening for our growth, for our evolution. And I think, yeah, we can tie our our identity so much up into what we do, but it's not who we are.

Yeah, yeah, 100%. So for anyone listening, what would you say to someone that wants to connect more to their purpose?

Get clear on what your purpose is in your life. Like, what is your purpose? Like, for me, I have a couple. Like, one of my purposes is being the best mom that I can be. To my kids, which means like being present, which means being calm, not being reactive. I wanna be an amazing mom to my children. I think about it all the time. I put my head on my pillow every night and I audit how I showed up as a mom. And sometimes I'm like, oof, didn't wanna say that. and I'll have a conversation with Nick about it. I'm feeling this because I said that, or blah, blah, blah. And he's like, it's okay, do better tomorrow. And so like, and then there's some days where I go to bed and I'm like, yes, like I really showed up today. And so like, that is part of my purpose here on this earth is like to be an amazing mom to these two little children that I've been gifted. And my work, my mission to help women, like that's a huge part of my purpose. Like I was put on earth to help women unlock their full potential and be the best versions of themselves in every area of their life. Like that's what my podcast is all about. That's what my books are about. That's what everything I've done is about is like helping women unlock their true self. Cause it's in there. Like we said, there's just the cobwebs on top. So get clear on what your purpose is. Like, what is it for you? It might be music, it might be coaching, it might be whatever it is. Like, what is it? It might be for this season being the mom that you wanna be. Get clear on that first. What is it? And then you architect your life around that. Yeah. So that becomes like the core pillar, and then all of your decisions are built around that. You know, how you show up in your, you know, for yourself is like to fuel those missions. How you show up in your relationships, you know, it's all centered around that core purpose. I call it your aligned purpose. Um, so yeah, you get clear on that. It's like the first step and then you can architect your life around that.

Yeah. I love that. And then for anyone listening, do you have any like mental health or just check-ins or things that you do day to day just to stay connected to that purpose and stay just as your best version of you each day? Yeah.

So the first thing I do every morning when I wake up, um, I open my eyes and I'll check I've got a watch next to my bed because I don't want my phone. So I've got like a watch. I press the button on the watch and I check the time. And sometimes I might, if it's like really early, go back to sleep, but I usually sit up and meditate straight away before I do anything else. I sit up and mainly because I want to do it before my kids wake up. So I sit up and I meditate for 20 minutes. I do transcendental Vedic meditation, which is a mantra-based meditation. So I sit up and I meditate for 20 minutes. At the end of that, I pray and I usually do it like under my breath. So I don't wake the kids and I'll pray to the creator like this. And I'll share what I'm desiring. I will ask for, you know, different things in my life, whatever it is that I want. And then after that, if my kids still haven't woken up, I will do some spiritual Kabbalistic studies. So I might read something or listen to something and then usually Bambi has walked in the room. And that doesn't always happen that I get that time to study there. And if I don't, I will do it when I get into bed. So those like anchors for me, those two, like first thing in the morning and then just before I go to bed at night, like having that time for my spiritual studies. And then throughout the day I might listen to something, but it's a bit rare 'cause I'm never really on my own. I'm either with the kids or I'm working. And that's my choice. Like I wanna be in those two places at the moment. So yeah, I bookend my day with a little bit of spirituality. And I know that, you know, there'll be a time where we get more space to do that. But for this season of my life, like that's the time that I get. And yeah, I love it. And then both Nick and I, you know, just having little conversations about things or how we showed up you know, different things throughout the day. We kind of have a little check-in in the evening, so that, that helps.

Yeah, amazing. And then my final wrap-up question is, what is something that people can do that are listening to increase their visibility?

Like online visibility?

Yeah.

Well, I think, hmm, two things. Actually show up online, like every day, like put your face to the camera every single day. Like that's how you're gonna increase your visibility is by physically showing up. But there's like, I want you to be like magnetically visible and how to be magnetically visible is staying connected to your core message, like your why, your business, you know, like why are you actually showing up? Because anyone can show up and be like, my dog ate this for breakfast this morning.

Yeah.

You know, like, you know, yeah. How can we add value? You know? And this is something that I think about all the time. Every post I write, everything that I offer is like, how can I make this is so value-packed that they walk away going, wow, I like, I'm going to implement that into my life right now. Like, I want value, not just noise. You know what I mean? So physically show up, but like make sure it's from that heart-centered space and it's offering value.

And then funny, I heard a bang. That was just my phone falling off the window.

It just like was sliding down.

Yeah.

Um, so yeah, and yeah, it's not just about showing up, it's about showing up with value.

Definitely. And yeah, I've just loved this conversation today. And just something, a reflection for me to add is I just also feel like you really do put the things in place that you need to, to support yourself as well. Like you're very intentional, I would say, which is amazing. And like definitely inspires me to be more intentional as well, like that that, you know, you, you, you have the vision and everything, but you also take the action, the aligned action to go with it. Like even from having that time in the morning to meditate to, you know, even right now my kids aren't sleeping and you're recommending a sleep consultant and things like that. But like you're doing the things, like if something with the kids, with their sleep, you'll do the things and put the structures in place to get everything working in alignment. So, and I guess it comes back to that mission, 'cause you wanna be the best, the best mom, and you want to do this incredible work. But then you also take the action to put everything in place for that to happen as well. You're not just wishing and hoping for it too, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think that's something that really stands out about you is just that intentionality and that like aligned action, which is just amazing. And I've loved this conversation so much. You inspire so many people and I've just loved hearing everything and anything. Where can people connect with you? Do you have any teasers about what's coming next? Next year? What is, what is the best way for people to get in your world now?

Okay, so you can go to my website, melissarambrasini.com. Check out my podcast, like follow and, um, you know, listen each week. I do a new episode. That's The Melissa Arambrosini Show. But come and DM me on Instagram @melissarambrasini, and I'd love to hear what your biggest takeaway is from this. And if you are you are a woman who is wanting to have it all in the most aligned way, you want the business, you want the health, you want the relationships, then I want you to DM me because I have something really spectacular that is about to drop. And it's for only a limited group of women. So yeah, make sure you DM me.

I've had a sneak peek and it is absolutely amazing. So don't sleep on that.

Thank you so much.

Thank you so much for joining, and I'll see everyone next week.