A Conversation with Erica Tingey | S03E1

Welcome to season three of the Leadership Is Feminine podcast. I'm Chris Plackey, and I'm so happy that you're here. In this season, we're doing something different. One of the things that I believe to be true is that there is so much unsourced, beautiful wisdom in the everyday person. I really like to talk about what I call obscure wisdom. That means these are things that people know that unless we meet them at a cocktail party or at a barbecue or sitting next to them, you know, on a train, we don't hear about it. And these aren't celebrities. These aren't people who've written, you know, best selling books yet. These aren't people that are on the circuit that everybody else is learning from. These are everyday women who are CEOs, building, dealing with, working through all the pieces and parts of running a company. And I want to bring my beautiful clients and their wisdom to your ears because I know that you'll find it to be validating and insightful and hopefully also some fun. So, without further ado, let's get started with this week's amazing personal client and guest on Leadership Is Feminine. Hello, everybody. Welcome, welcome. I'm so excited. This week on the podcast, we have Erica Tingey, who is a client of mine who runs an absolutely gorgeous business. And, you know, I know that I say this a lot on this podcast and I say this to my clients, but I'm always so impressed with all the ways that people can make money and support what it is they do in the world. So, Erica, I'm so glad that you're here, and I would love for you to take a couple minutes and help everybody know who you are and what you do in the world.

Yes. Thank you. Hi. So I am a mountain bike skills coach. So it started back 12 years ago. I started racing my mountain bike professionally when my son was just under 2 years old. So I was already a mother. And I didn't really think that I had anything else to offer the world. I just thought my life was over. I had a baby and that was it. And then I started racing my bike. I mean, I had been an athlete my whole life. Anyway, I started racing and I moved up the ranks very quickly. I was a very natural athlete and had an entire career that was amazing. I went all around the world and raced at the elite level, which is the top level. And throughout my career, I was always very, very fit. Fitness was very easy for me. It just came. It's just genetically, I'm very fit. My skills do not come naturally. That was always the hardest part for me. Like my first year racing, I. I could see like I could catch everyone on the climb and on the descents I would struggle and like get behind and then I'd have to catch them on the climb. And so I got some skills coaching and it immediately lit a fire in me. I was like, wait, what? You can get better at this thing, at this part. And so I actually went home and started holding my own little clinics right after I had been coached, which is so funny. It just happened so naturally. I was like, hey, I know what I'm doing now. And so I just started holding little free clinics just for fun, like just because I wanted to. No one asked me to.

Well, it's one of the best ways to learn is to teach.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I mean I kind of, I don't even know what I taught and I'm kind of horrified at what I said.

Let me show you this. I don't know what I'm doing.

Yeah, I don't know what I'm doing. And I would like teach huge groups. I'd be like, come here. I gotta mention it. Anyway, people had trust in me and then I. But I was continually coached on skills. I mean I was coached in multiple ways throughout my career, throughout my racing career. But really the skills part was like really like really touched me in a really special way, I think because it was so hard for me and I had to really think about it, the fitness. My, my other coach would give me a workout, I would do it and it worked. It was just like no thought. Basically I could just, just happen. Near the end of my career, which I didn't even know it was near the end of my career, I decided to sort of formalize a couple of, we call them clinics. So like a one day session is a clinic. So I formalized it in 2016 and I gave it a name. I was still racing, but I gave it a name. I named it Women in the Mountains and I gave it a website and a logo and I like, I, once again, I don't even know what I was totally thinking. I was like, I'm going to hold this event and I'm going to give it a name and a logo and a website. But I really thought it was a one day thing or like a one weekend. And it went really, really well. And the eight women who attended were like, this is so cool. Will you do this for my friends? And so I held it for their friends that summer. I held like two or three More events that summer, and then the next summer, I'm like, well, I may as well put out, like, four or five dates. And so I did. In 2017, I probably put out, I don't know, four or five, six dates. And then. And then, like, I think 2017 is the year I became certified as a mountain bike coach. And that was, like, really eye opening. I had no idea that there was a whole world of. Right.

That's the thing. It's like you. You take. I love your story because I think so many of us can relate to this. Right. We just. When you naturally follow your passion and your interest. Right. It's sort of. I say this to my kids a lot, too, because a lot of people always just want to know what the. What the result's going to be and how. What am I going to do? How am I going to get there? And I think the only way you figure that out is you walk the path. Right. So you just kept walking the path, and then it was like, oh, there's a thing. I didn't know that was a thing. Right. And then you open that door and you follow that path. So you got certified as a mountain bike coach. And then what?

And then I had a couple of friends approach me and say, hey, can I work for you? And I was like, okay, yeah, let's work together. It became even more formal, and I had friends working for me, so we were friends that were like, kind of doing this together. And then I kind of collected a few more friends, and then it got a little bit messy.

Yeah.

And then.

In steps, Chris Plackey, who helped me figure out.

I need organization.

This is not working because it's. It's really truly my company and I have a bunch of friends and we're not. It's.

Yeah.

It got to the point where we needed organization. One of your other clients, who I'm sure other people hear about all the time, Tina Su. She's your number one fan.

Somebody just joined the wait list today and made a. I do this thing now. When you join the wait list, I make a video. And then people who join the waitlist are invited to make a video to introduce themselves. And then I reply. And she. She just said, I just met Tina sue over the weekend, and she said, I have to do this program. So, yeah, Tina likes to say that she's part of my remote business development team and I should be on staff. Yeah. Or she should be on.

She's out. She's out preaching the Chris talkie.

Yeah, we love her.

So she's like, you have to do the program. I didn't even know what it was. She's like, you just have to do it. I'm like, okay. And I just. I literally signed up like, one hour later. It was like, midnight. The night that of how to CEO began. I was laying in a hotel room in Austin, and it was like, midnight. And I'm like, I hope I get in. And I just paid my money and I got in. I really didn't even know what it was, but Tina told me I needed it. I'm like, okay.

Sort of back to what I was saying. Right. You just kept following the path.

Yeah. So over the course of 2021 and through the how to CEO program, I really created a structure in my business, and I became the CEO of Women in the Mountains for the first time.

Instead of women in the Mountains being like, jobby or a place where a bunch of friends hang out or cool retreats or. Or experiences we create for women now, it's like it's its own entity, and you're the custodian of that as the CEO, which is so fun. Yeah.

Which was really great to reflect on. Even just yesterday. I'm like, it's its own entity. And so when it has its own problems, I start to think that they're mine. And I'm like, actually, no, I don't need to take them on personally. And I do a lot of the times, but I'm like, they're actually outside of me. Because now it's this company over here. And then I. My own life inside of me.

It is nice because I really start to believe that it is me. Women in the Mountains is me.

Not.

And the, like, creating the structure helped it get outside of my head. So. So, yeah, now I have a vision and values and a vibe. Like our team vibe. There's job descriptions. I mean, these are things I never thought to do. Like, they're just in my mind. But a year ago, it was really painful to sit down and type them out. And I am, like, forever grateful that that work has been done.

Think about all of this tediousness. Right. Is. It's like. It is awful. And I say it all the time. Right. It's not sexy. Job descriptions. Not sexy. However, your future self, because I was just looking to fill a position in my company, and I was like, oh, glad I already wrote that. Like, it's so done. I'm so happy with myself. So it is a good. It is good news. What is your vision?

My vision is the power of A woman confident on her bike is undeniable and far reaching in the world.

Wow.

Yeah.

I want to ask you about that. So, you know, because you listen to the podcast, right? My daughter is a pretty elite athlete herself, and I'm really intrigued about why you went. And you've been a little modest, right? Like, you're kind of a world champion mountain biker.

Everybody. If you guys could see her face, she's like, yeah, okay, But I like people to sort of take responsibility. Just let's own that. Right? But what I'd love about what you said is that I was naturally good, but I had to work hard at the skill. And I see an equation there or a parallel between a lot of women that I coach. Because a lot of women are naturally good at selling, right? They're naturally good at generating revenue, right? Like, okay, come over here, pay money, I'll give you this thing. But they're not naturally good at managing and leading. Right? And what I like about how your brain works, at least the way that you explained it, is you. You didn't think, well, that means I can't be a world champion mountain biker. You thought, oh, I can learn that. I just have to work at it and I have to go through what's difficult to do that. Right? Whereas a lot of people who I think run companies, they make this other decision that's like, somehow there's something wrong with them that they don't know how to manage people, they don't know how to lead a team, they don't know how to corral resources and get things done. Like, somehow you're supposed to be just good at that. When we all know that's not true because you have to learn it. Just like you do learning the downhill, you're good at the uphill because you're really strong and fat and fit, but the downhill takes more finesse. Right? That's what I'm guessing when you. Exactly.

Exactly. Yeah.

Yeah. So what. When you watch women.

Come through your clinic, what is it that you see happen? So the moment they come, women sign up. And I'm assuming a lot of the women who sign up are pretty amateur at mountain biking, right? They're not seasoned.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

So what do you see that journey is for them?

Well, I see a lot of women come to me very, very nervous, like, very, very scared. And they're scared. It's like an. An actual fear of getting hurt. They're not just like, afraid of, like, someone seeing them look dumb, maybe, like they're afraid of getting hurt. They're also afraid of looking dumb. But. And then when they find out that if they just follow these, you know, these small steps that I teach them, like, step by step by step, and they can all of a sudden do this thing that looked literally impossible like, 90 minutes before, and it just opens up. Like, they open up. They're like, oh, my gosh, I can do that. I can ride up a curb. I've watched curbs my entire life. I thought curbs were the scariest thing in the whole wide world. What else is possible? Like, that's kind of the progression that happens. Like, I was so. Like, they show up so scared. I teach them these things, nervous through the learning, and then they ride the thing, and they're like, well, if I can do that, what's next? And, I mean, I have a handful of stories of women who have. It's literally changed their entire life. Like, they mountain bike and then they go home. They're like, well, I. Maybe I can get a job. Maybe I can get married or leave a marriage or, you know, they can do. It kind of gives them this opening up. People become more fit or they dare ride by themselves. Like, a lot of women come to me, but they don't dare go out on the trail by themselves. And also they dare go ride a mountain bike trail by themselves. Like, to me, it's no big deal. I've ridden every trail, right. I love riding alone, but for some people, that's really scary. But once they do that, like, they feel so powerful, they can go mountains alone.

What?

So that's. That's why. That's why a part of my vision is that it. It's far reaching into the world. Once I give them the power to be confident on their bike, it. It helps them literally go farther into the world.

Oh, that's really well said. I. I love that. And I. I see that too. Right? I see. I see that in myself, and I see that in other people. And it. It's like.

How you do one thing is how you do everything. And as soon as you realize that you can conquer, in your case, right, this real physical mountain biking is.

I can't imagine I will ever go. It would be really funny if I did.

I'm coming out there to teach you. Okay?

I'll do it with you on, like, a dirt trail, like, you know, with no hill. But, like, mastering that, right? Gives us such a sense of emotional strength as well as physical strength. Right? And I think for all of us, especially this last couple years, I'm kind of Curious what your thoughts are about this. Right. We've had so many challenges that we've all had to sort of be negotiating, even quietly, just constantly sort of making decisions and not sure what the right decisions are to make, both in business and in our personal lives, that I think there's a lot of us as women especially, who have a little overwhelm when it comes to making decisions right now. And also the power of reminding women of how powerful it is once you lock in and choose, I'm going to do this. I'm going to prove to myself I can do this. And what you come out as on the other side, anything that's hard. Anything that's hard. And that can be different for all of us. But I think what I love about what you do is that you remind women that if you're willing to learn, you can. You can take a lesson, you can choose to learn, and then you come out on the other side a totally different level of yourself outside of where you were. Right. I'm kind of rambling, but yeah.

No, I totally agree.

Yeah. I love it. I just love businesses like yours that feed into the soul of the collective, of women in general. So it's good stuff.

Well, I know you mentioned something about these last two years, and I just wanted to say, last year, two people shared with me that mountain biking helped them stop drinking. That during quarantine, they, like, during 2020, they really started drinking. And then someone was like, hey, let's mountain bike. And it helped them. And that's two who shared with me. I'm sure there's others who like. But mountain biking has actually helped. I know at least two people. I mean, I'm guaranteeing more, but we.

Need something to do. Right. The thing about the pandemic is it's just been buffering everywhere. So why not buffer with a mountain bike instead of a glass of wine? Right? I mean, that's much more healthy option.

It is, yeah.

Especially if you don't go on the really steep. Right.

Yeah.

Okay, so my next question is, you know, I'm calling this kind of spill the tea.

Right.

Like, CEOs are going to spill the tea. So. And you've had a baby. I've had several. The reason I said it this way is I remember when I was pregnant and everybody's always. It's all so glamorous and so fun and so like, oh, you can have a baby. Right. And then there's all this stuff that no one ever told you. You're like, seriously, was anybody going to Tell me that this actually is what happens, because nobody tells you it's like this code. So I kind of feel like there might be a little bit of code for people, for women who run businesses. Right? Like, oh, yeah, you should start a company and be amazing. And then they do and they're like, really? Was anybody going to tell me this part? So I'm kind of curious, what's a truth that you think everybody might know that they don't really talk about?

Well, I love that you just brought this up parallel to motherhood, because I feel like I'm going through this with my teenage son and everything that I thought about, about spilling the tea about my business applies to my teenage son. But. Amen, mama.

I'm with you. Having gone through. I'm still in the phase of two with two 17 year olds, but, yeah, amen. Yeah.

Well, number one is running your own. My own business. It's scary. And almost every single day I want to quit and I want to hide.

That is a huge one.

I think that, first of all, people think that. Who are making $100 million a year.

I think that everybody thinks that there's a point where you get. Where you're like, someday I'm going to not want to quit every day. Right.

I think that. I think that there's people who don't want to quit every day. There's got to be somewhere.

Maybe not every day, but probably at least once a week.

Okay. Yeah, that's good to know because, yeah, this is so scary. I just want to quit. But I also been thinking that about my son. I'm like, I just want to be done. Like, I love him. It's so hard. Can I just quit? Can someone else take over at this point?

Well, that's kind of why I do the retreats in Hawaii. I'm like, you could quit for a week.

Yeah. Because it's like, yeah, okay. Like, you love them, you love your business, you love your child. Yeah. I don't want to hide, like, when they're talking back or like, you have an employee that you're just like, why did you just say that to me? Why do I have to deal with this again?

Yeah. Want to hide a decision that you have to deal with, like, oh, no, are you serious? Or the call from the school or the whatever. Like, oh, no, no, no, no, you must be mistaken. I'm not the one you're supposed to call. There must be a better adult around.

Okay, so that was my other thought. It's like, I keep. I like, I Keep thinking that someone, an adult's gonna show up and, like, help me do this at some point, like, an adult's gonna show up and either just take over or, like, show me how to do it. And they haven't showed up yet. It's with. With my son or with my business. Like, my bit. Like, I. I'm just so surprised that no one showed up to tell me I have to stop. Or like, oh, here's a better way of doing it. I mean, of course I have. I have mentors like you. Yeah. Once come in and been like, do it this way. You know, it's. It's out there on your own, figuring it out day by day. And it is really scary. And I want to hide a lot of days. I really do. I really, really do. And then I'm like, this is not the day. We just keep on going.

Today is not the day. And I love your honesty here.

I think this.

I think a lot of women relate. And again, I feel like this is kind of one of those things that, you know, we talk a lot about in how to CEO. I think that's what. Why a lot of people like, it is there's a place to come and be. Like, am I the only person who thinks they should, you know, I always say, go work at the Clinique counter.

Like, I always just say, wells Fargo. I'll just go be a teller at Wells Fargo.

Yeah, listen, why not?

My clinic sounds more fun, though. Maybe I'll start saying that one.

Yeah, there you go. I, like, I've always said the Clinique counter at Nordstrom. Like, I don't even. I don't even know if there is a clinic counter in Nordstrom anymore. But.

But I do think one of the real truths here, Right. That I love that you brought up, is that we want someone else. We want the adult to come in and take over. And that hope, that desire is what drives a lot of women to hire people and then abdicate to them. Right. Oh, thank goodness the real finance person's here and they know what to do. Thank goodness the real operations person is here and they know what to do. And then we abdicate, thinking, oh, they know more than I do, and then we end up with a mess in our business. Right. So that's why it's like standing in your CEO role, taking responsibility for the results, taking responsibility for the vision and the direction of the business. And you may not be doing all the weeds things, Right. But you're still overseeing it. And to your point, that is the One you're like, wait, but I don't even know what an operations person is supposed to do.

Right.

You know your business. And so as long as we stay in that knowing. Right. We can figure all this other stuff out. But that little slippery thought, like, there's other people who can do this better than I can, creates little bit messes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is a slippery thought.

It's true. It is. It's very. And it's very tempting in so many ways. There's a lot of decisions that we find that are very exhausting to have to keep making. And so it's just very tempting to just say, I don't do whatever you want. And then they do do whatever they want in your own company. And that's a problem.

That's so true.

Yeah.

I'm totally thinking of a situation right now. And it's like I've been wanting to just be like, do whatever, I don't care. But you know what? It's. Yeah, it's going to create a disaster.

If I. Yeah, don't do that.

Don't rein it in and give them.

Responsibility for the result. But you've got to make sure you have oversight on the direction. Yeah. That might lead into my next question, but what do you find has been the hardest time about really building a team?

I find that it's like I think I have everything settled and everyone's in a good position, and then something else pops up. Like one person has an issue and we work through it and then we have like a good week or so. And I think everything's going to be good from now on. And then someone presents with another issue. And so it's kind of what I was saying earlier. Like, I have to separate out my emotional life from the emotional life of the business because it's never just good for like weeks and weeks and months and months. Like. Like humans are just messy. Like, I like to just say hashtag humans. Like sometimes my husband will say, how was your day? And I'll just say, hashtag humans or hashtag humans are hard. And then, like, he just knows, like, we don't go any further than that. Like, they're just humans and they're messy. And. Yeah, you can't build the perfect team. People are just. They're just humans.

Dynamic.

I wrote down while you were talking. I'm probably going to write this. It's like the weather, right?

Yes.

It's like we have team weather.

I love that. It's a great way of describing it. It's sunny you think it's going to be sunny for the rest of the year, but it's not. No.

Tomorrow there's a thunderstorm and lightning and a tree burns down. And then the next day, you live in Utah. Right. You could have snow and then. And then rain and then sun. All in one day. Right. Y' all in the. That the mountain weather is weird.

Yes.

Or a squall comes blowing through and it's 60 miles an hour and then it's gone. Right. Like, I don't know. So, yeah. Like there's the weather and. And the part that I. I'm so glad you brought it up because I know this is really relevant. The part that is the hardest about that is you keep arguing. Not you, but you collectively, we keep arguing that somehow we shouldn't have to deal with these things. Just like somehow we shouldn't have to deal with the weather. Right. But that's part of being a human is weather and people weather.

You know what? That's what I'm going to start calling it. Just people weather. They're just people having weather.

That's just weather. And you know what? When we have. What we want to do and create as a business is gear for the weather. Right. Which I'm loving this metaphor. The way that we create gear for weather is we create systems that manage different forms of team weather.

Yes.

Right. Like you have gear. So if you're going to go ride your bike in the mud versus the rain versus the snow versus the wind. Wind, you have different. Or cold versus hot, you have different gear you arm yourself with. Right. You don't argue with the weather. You prepare for the weather. Right.

Do that with our systems.

Yes.

Good news.

Right, Right.

But that will never stop. Right. So, I mean, I've been running teams for 27 years and I can think I have the best team on the planet, which in the moment I do, and then all of a sudden I don't. Interesting. Right? So it's not about your experience. It's not about how capable you are. It's not about how wonderful of a leader you are or not. It genuinely just is when you decide to be in the business of working with other people, you're bother.

Yeah. And the people change. They move in and out.

They do. Just like clouds.

Yes.

I love that.

I'm feeling like a whole stream of consciousness. I could write about it. I love it. Thank you for that. That was perfect. What has been sort of an unexpected delight for you.

Okay. So I think for me, what's kind of cool is If I were to go back to my childhood, my expectations for myself as an adult were just to be a mom and have babies, and it was really, truly, truly never to work. Like, I was just brought up in a world of women that didn't work.

Then at some point, I think I had this idea that I would work, and it was probably to be a secretary, because that was the word we used growing up. And, like, I wanted to be a secretary and have a little typewriter and, like, all the little organization things. Yeah, play off. I did. I played office.

Me too.

Yeah. But to. To become a CEO is, like, so delightful. To be able to be in a room and say, I own a business. I'm a CEO. I'm a female CEO. I'm a female business owner is so delightful and so cool. It just. For me, it brings a lot of power, and I love power because I'm a powerful athlet, and I love feeling powerful, and that's why I'm attracted to people like Brooke and, like, you and, like, the really powerful coaches. I love powerful women, and I love that I've become a powerful woman. And so I think that's what's delightful about it. And I think along with being powerful, you can also be beautiful and clean and classy, and it's just also delightful, you know, like that. So that to bring it back to delightful, you can be all the things. You can be powerful and beautiful and classy and fun. And so that's what's been a delight for me, that I get to be all the things I love.

That. That's beautiful. Really. And, you know, I think what's so lovely about working with and talking to women who are athletes is there's so much emphasis on physical strength in athleticism. Right. And what we know, too, is that your brain is equally important in your success as an athlete. Right. And so when you come into business, there's a parallel to me. There's business acumen, which I liken to athletic strength. Right. I think some people have a little more tendency to just get business more than others. And then there's the skill, though, and the mindset that you have to do to really step into the mindset of a CEO, a woman who has this business, who claims her space, who says, I built this. I did this. This is mine. And you're proud of it, in it, outside of just, yeah, I built this business, and it makes money. Right. There's really that stepping into that voice, which I love watching in you also. I mean, you and I have Known each other a while now. It's been super fun to watch that.

I agree.

So I guess I'll ask you my very last question, which is, do you believe in magic in your business?

Yes. And actually it goes perfectly with your previous question, which is like, I think there's a magic to being able to be a mountain biker and be beautiful, be able to get dirty and then drive a nice car.

Lots of towels in the trunk.

Yes. Spend the day in the mountains and then come home and put on classy clothes. For me, that's where the magic is. And that's actually what I. I remember my first year of really racing mountain biking, and I. There were a few girls who retired like the set my second year mountain biking, who were so pretty, and they would show up, dressed really beautifully and race really, really hard. They were amazing. And I was like that. That's the magic that I wanted to bring. And then there were the girls who kind of showed up dirty, and they were always dirty, and they didn't really necessarily wash their cl. They're still kind of dirty to this day.

And that's where, for me, the magic is.

I love being beautiful and having really nice things and then being a super badass mountain biker, being able to go off really big drops and ride in the mud, and then just also living a really beautiful life. So for me, that's magic because I think it's this fun juxtaposition because probably 15, 20 years ago, everyone thought mountain bikers were dirty and they're not.

I think you could take that one step further. I think everyone thought female athletes.

Yes.

Were not beautiful and graceful and could clean, like, right. There's just been this stereotype. My daughter and I have talked about this. She just talked about this. She. She's been a tomboy her whole life, but she loves to be feminine in her life. Right. She loves clothes and perfume and she does all the things in nails. But that's new because I know when. I think you and I are relatively close contemporaries, and I do think that's been quite an evolution, and women like you are really leading that. And I love it. I love that the message is, be whoever the hell you want.

Yeah. If you. I put on mascara every morning, even when I go to ride my bike, when I go to ski. Like, that's just. I used to race in earrings. I don't. I don't like the feeling of earrings anymore. I wish I did, because they'd be really cool.

I stopped wearing earrings myself a while ago, and I. I don't even know why. And now when I put them in, I'm like, oh, they feel. I like a good jewelry, but not.

They bug me. But. But the point is, yes, like being a beautiful athlete, like, I think you can be beautiful and be an athlete. And that's where I think it's. It's magical. You can be strong and powerful. You can be a keeper like your daughter and then come home and be gorgeous.

Yeah.

Or be gorgeous on the field. Like, why not? Why can't the field?

Yeah.

And that's where I think it's just magical. You can be all of it. And for me, maybe drive a really cool car. Like, I love really nice car and really nice things.

Well, you know what I think is so fun. The magic to me, as I listened to you also is here you are this woman who had a baby who thought, I'm going to do this thing for yourself. You started mountain biking for yourself, and now you have this business and you help other women. I know there's been so much that's gone into that, but at the same time, why were you kissed with that idea.

And then you translated that idea into an experience and path for other people? And I think that's pure magic. Pure magic. So I love to remind women of that because I think sometimes we get so caught up in our slog of the weather. Right. And the challenges of the day that we forget, like, are you paying attention to. You're sitting in your office or your desk or wherever you are? Because something came into your brain and whispered, do this. And you followed it.

Yeah.

That's good news for everybody else. Yeah. You don't quit. You don't give up.

You don't quit. And what you did 10 years ago led you to where you are today. And you don't know what you're doing today, where it's going to lead you in 10 years. Because what I was doing even five years ago, I had no idea that was going to bring me here. My race career, I had no idea it was going to bring me here. There's no there. I could have never seen that in my middle of my race career. Even then, like, none of it, like, keep going day by day, just keep, keep going because you never know where it's going to take you. But if I had just quit all of it, you know, and gone to the clinique counter, I wouldn't have created.

This, you know, your skin, though.

I wouldn't have nearly have all the skin damage that I.

Exactly. The sun, you know, listen, you would have been inside putting on moisturizer all day. So you would.

Boring. Is that.

Listen, no disrespect to the Clinique counter.

Everything smells amazing. Like, I would love that for, like, a little bit.

So, anyway, I was just born to live outside and live in the mountains. Like, that's just what I mean. I'm. I was called to the mountains. I mean, I just. I was born in the mountain, you know. Yeah.

That's your place.

Yeah, it's my place.

Place. Well, is there anything else you would leave any other last bits of wisdom for the listeners today?

Anyone who has any challenges with their business? Chris Plackey is your person. I'm telling you, like you. I know this is not. Chris did not ask me to say this, but I just feel so loved and supported in your program. And the CEO, how to CEO just really gave me the structures. And then being in the lab, I connected with women who I'm still friends with. I mean, they're just really, really amazing women that inspire me and are going through similar things. And it's just. Yeah, you've created something really, really special. So thank you.

Well, thank you. I'm so glad that you found. We'll say thank you to Tina.

Say thanks to Tina, because we love Tina.

Shout out to Tina sue her own very successful couple businesses. If you want to check her out on Instagram, she'll love that I did that. So we'll do that. Well, I really, really appreciate you being here. So thank you for taking the time today and sharing all of your life and experience and your vulnerabilities and just a lovely human. So I'm very grateful to know you as well. Thank you.

Thank you, Chris.